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Topic: Moss 'N' Dale
Posted By: Sunline
Subject: Moss 'N' Dale
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 11:21am
Looks very well placed to win on the heavy 8 today. Only query would be he isn't yet a winner past 1400m, but he has performed well at 1500m and 1600m, so you'd think it isn't going to stop him.

Looks obvious, I'm on, and looks best of the day along with Carzoff later in the day.


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Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 11:48am
2 starts at 1500m for a 1st & 3rd so lord give him strength

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Keep serving up the overs please


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 12:26pm
I don't know how I got that confused. Well he's a bloody lock then.

Good luck.


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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 1:18pm
Disappointing at Echuca IMO
Once bitten, twice shy


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 1:31pm
No way. Look what the one who beat him went out and did next start.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

No way. Look what the one who beat him went out and did next start.


Yes I know it won again. The real MND would of flogged it at Echuca
So much travelling and a few runs on bottomless tracks, I'll be leaving him out of quaddies


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 1:45pm
I'm with you Sunline.
Back onto a Heavy and a winner of 7 of his 14 races so knows how to win.


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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 1:45pm
Talented horse but won't be taking the shorts.
Good luck to those backing him


Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 3:50pm
Ouch


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:03pm
Did Martin see bowman coming ?

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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:24pm
No he didn't. Then when he did he panicked.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:44pm
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard:

"The last 50m, probably being third up, he didn't have that freshness to sprint away from them," Moss 'n' Dale's jockey, apprentice Jack Martin said.


Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard:

"The last 50m, probably being third up, he didn't have that freshness to sprint away from them," Moss 'n' Dale's jockey, apprentice Jack Martin said.

LOL


Posted By: Black Prince 2
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 10:59am
Looked home , every possible chance . Glad I didn't take the shorts but just goes to showed how hard it is to string multiple wins together .

Side note , if the jock had of done the Willow next stretch probably wins , but they don't pay on probables , yibbee da yibbee da


Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 2:06pm
Moral of the story - punch your horse out to the line no matter what the circumstances. Would the horse have won - I think so !

That's racing !

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Keep serving up the overs please


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 3:31pm
I agree. I've watched the replay many times. He is barely flinging his arms at the reins in the last 50m, while Bowman is practically carrying his horse over the line.

Why the lack of vigour? What possesses a hoop to do this in a tight finish?


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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 3:41pm
Just not good enough on the day , thought the ride was alright. He was doing everything he could


Posted By: Black Prince 2
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

I agree. I've watched the replay many times. He is barely flinging his arms at the reins in the last 50m, while Bowman is practically carrying his horse over the line.

Why the lack of vigour? What possesses a hoop to do this in a tight finish?


Agree 100% It was bizzare but did the horse just peak on his run ? Don't know just asking . Oh well


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

I agree. I've watched the replay many times. He is barely flinging his arms at the reins in the last 50m, while Bowman is practically carrying his horse over the line.

Why the lack of vigour? What possesses a hoop to do this in a tight finish?

Inexperience to my way of thinking, racing is so competitive today you need a lot of things to go your way if travelling interstate and with bowman riding with the eye of the tiger the young man in hindsight will benefit from the experience imo.


Posted By: Black Prince 2
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Just not good enough on the day , thought the ride was alright. He was doing everything he could


The horse had every almost every possible BUT there was no urgency from the jock in the last 50m , instead of fighting to the line he was looking up at the screen ??? And I didn't even bet on the race . It truly is a game of inches . Tough game


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 5:14pm
Originally posted by Black Prince 2 Black Prince 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Just not good enough on the day , thought the ride was alright. He was doing everything he could


The horse had every almost every possible BUT there was no urgency from the jock in the last 50m , instead of fighting to the line he was looking up at the screen ??? And I didn't even bet on the race . It truly is a game of inches . Tough game

I disagree . He was pushing him out hands and heels


Posted By: Black Prince 2
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 5:14pm
Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

I agree. I've watched the replay many times. He is barely flinging his arms at the reins in the last 50m, while Bowman is practically carrying his horse over the line.

Why the lack of vigour? What possesses a hoop to do this in a tight finish?

Inexperience to my way of thinking, racing is so competitive today you need a lot of things to go your way if travelling interstate and with bowman riding with the eye of the tiger the young man in hindsight will benefit from the experience imo.


True , and if the horse was panels above them in class would have won anyway , had the , perfect run , perfect track fit etc etc maybe he's just that bit better over 1400 than 1500 . Having said that got beat at 1400 when short prices favourite last time . Like I said , all the stars have to align to win a race , it ain't easy , unless you're Winx or Black Caviar


Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 6:25pm
The horse was home for all money and the kid done his best ! The rest is opinions and unfortunately the horse got beat ! Why is the debate we all have - the stable view is the kid was distracted & also had the whip rule to contend with I see he was reprimanded for to many hits prior to the 100m ! Another reason perhaps why he lost because I think if he remained vigorous and strong the horse wins ! The stable thought he was a good thing for the record #chapter65ofthepunt

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Keep serving up the overs please


Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 6:31pm
And take the constructive points of travelling , kid vs master , maybe better Melb way ? 10/10 ride but thought he was very soft on him last 100m and we have had the discussion and all taken on board. Give us a week to get over it and now we need to get our dough back now.

Enjoy discussing racing on this site and great feedback ! Cheers

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Keep serving up the overs please


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 6:44pm
Love the insight Manny. Thanks so much for chatting with us. Thumbs Up


Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 7:15pm
Next run back in Melbourne ?


Posted By: AdaHunta
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 7:25pm
Ride looked fine to me ........Winner to good !! Clutching at straws here 


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 7:39pm
Listen, I'm happy for people to say he got a dream run and all conditions to suit - because it's true. But don't tel me there wasn't a distinct lack of vigor from a distracted jockey in the last 50m. Because that ain't true.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 7:58pm
Until next time good luck to everyone ! Bookies win this one

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Keep serving up the overs please


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 8:07pm
Stewards report.

Moss ‘N’ Dale – linking up to the course proper near the 1400m blundered. Near the 50m, when under pressure, shifted out, resulting in its rider App. J Martin having to stop riding and straighten his mount.

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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 8:09pm
Wet for Vic still a couple of weeks off, followed by a decent drop. Should fit in perfectly for him Big smile


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Posted By: Black Prince 2
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Stewards report.

Moss ‘N’ Dale – linking up to the course proper near the 1400m blundered. Near the 50m,
when under pressure, shifted out, resulting in its rider App. J Martin having to stop riding and
straighten his mount.


Interesting


Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 11:03pm
The best horse on the day Won!

Gutsy effort by the 'Little Warrior' who probably lost a length adjusting to the Sydney way of racing.





Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by Manny G Manny G wrote:

The horse was home for all money and the kid done his best ! The rest is opinions and unfortunately the horse got beat ! Why is the debate we all have - the stable view is the kid was distracted & also had the whip rule to contend with I see he was reprimanded for to many hits prior to the 100m ! Another reason perhaps why he lost because I think if he remained vigorous and strong the horse wins ! The stable thought he was a good thing for the record #chapter65ofthepunt
No, he really didn't.

He either gassed, lost control of the horse or was trying to be cute.

If the stable thought he was a good thing they should have booked a senior jockey, you kind of got what you deserved there. 


Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2017 at 10:16am
fair call - point taken

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Keep serving up the overs please


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 8:32pm
Jockey was gassed clearly. I'm sure he'll learn from that which doesn't help the pockets of those that bet up. I remember Jamie Kah used to do the same thing quite often early in her career and lost a few close finishes from lack of vigour. I personally don't think these lessons need to be learnt at our Saturday metrop racing.

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" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"


Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2017 at 4:43pm
Might want the paddock


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2017 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

Might want the paddock
starting to become a muncher

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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2017 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

Might want the paddock
starting to become a muncher


Agreed. He's become a 'gunner'


Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2017 at 4:18pm
The winner was bloody impressive - give it some credit ! That's racing

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Keep serving up the overs please


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 4:20pm
Just won the Sale Cup, Surely he is due for a break now


Posted By: mowie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 6:54pm
Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Just won the Sale Cup, Surely he is due for a break now

hard to give them a spell when winning, keep it at the mile pete, small trainer problem to spell it or keep chasing the coin


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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 7:35pm
One for the good guys


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 5:56pm
This horse is amazing


Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 6:02pm
Did you see who the 2 strappers were? It was too funny one was Ginger Smith, father of Ben Smith who just got done for drug cheating and the other was Con Karatsanakis (google him). Not a good look.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by monty1 monty1 wrote:

Did you see who the 2 strappers were? It was too funny one was Ginger Smith, father of Ben Smith who just got done for drug cheating and the other was Con Karatsanakis (google him). Not a good look.




Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 6:07pm
Ooh,


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 6:09pm
[QUOTE=Carioca] Ooh,
( hit the wrong one)


Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 6:13pm
He does love the wet though


Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2019 at 10:19am
If this rain keeps coming, I think he is a big big chance.

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