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Topic: Cable Bay
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Cable Bay
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 10:00pm
CABLE BAY (IRE)Bay colt 2011 
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Courtly Dee
Bay or brown 1968
Never Bend
Tulle
1960
1950
19-b
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961
1961
2-f
5-i
Doubly Sure
Bay 1971
Reliance
Soft Angels
1962
1963
16-g
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Bay 1974
Round Table
Stylish Pattern
1954
1961
2-f
14-c
Border Bounty
Bay 1965
Bounteous
B Flat
1958
1958
14-f
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Bay or brown 1977
In Reality
Tamerett
1964
1962
21-a
2-f
Slightly Dangerous
Bay 1979
Roberto
Where You Lead
1969
1970
12-c
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982
Ahonoora
Balidaress
1975
1973
1-m
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
Navajo Princess
Bay 1974
Drone
Olmec
1966
1966
1-l
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Chestnut 1970
Bold Ruler
Somethingroyal
1954
1952
8-d
2-s
Welsh Garden
Bay 1973
Welsh Saint
Garden of Eden
1966
1967
9-h
10-c
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m,5m

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Black Caviar breeder confident of pulling off Cable Bay challenge

Martin Stevens speaks to Rick Jamieson about his ambitious plan

By Martin Stevens
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When it was announced that Cable Bay, coming to the end of covering his second book of mares at Highclere Stud, would shuttle to Australia from this year it might have been assumed that the identity of his sire, Invincible Spirit, was the overriding reason he was in demand down under. Another son, I Am Invincible, ranks as one of the most exciting young stallions there, after all.

Or perhaps it was the fact his granddam, Haydock Sprint Cup heroine Cherokee Rose, was a half-sister to Volksraad, a multiple champion sire in New Zealand; or his good looks, which have enticed breeders to send him 152 mares in his first British book and around 130 in his second; or even his admirable race record, which included a runner-up effort in the Dewhurst Stakes at two and a victory in the Challenge Stakes on his final start at four.

All of those factors may have contributed to the cause of  https://www.racingpost.com/profile/horse/837155/cable-bay" rel="nofollow - Cable Bay 's working holiday at Woodside Park Stud in Victoria, but the main motivation for Rick Jamieson orchestrating the deal to secure the stallion's southern hemisphere breeding rights was in fact deeply hidden elements of his pedigree that the breeder of unbeaten sprint queen Black Caviar has pinpointed.

For Jamieson is an avid analyst of thoroughbred families and, by choosing matings seemingly - the word seemingly is used because the exact details of his method are not disclosed - based on determining influential ancestors and matching them between the sire and dam, he managed to breed five Group 1 winners from only around 54 foals to have raced in the space of six years.

And what makes the achievement all the more impressive is that the sires he has chosen are not necessarily the most fashionable or expensive. Black Caviar's sire Bel Esprit is a solid source of talent but has never reached the heights of a Redoute's Choice or Encosta De Lago, while this season's Caulfield Cup heroine Jameka, one of the latest star graduates of Jamieson's Gilgai Farm, was bred from the unpretentious Myboycharlie.

“Look, I know there's a lot of luck involved, I'm not stupid, but those winners were from modestly bred mares and I was not afraid to go to less commercial stallions as long as they fitted my matrix,” Jamieson said at last week's Magic Millions National Broodmare Sale on the Gold Coast, where he and his agents were busy sourcing mares for Cable Bay. “Breeding and planning matings is my hobby, and it's worked out extraordinarily well.”

Now Jamieson has set himself the reverse challenge of finding his own stallion and testing whether an impressive strike-rate of winners to runners can be achieved if correctly matched mares are sent to him.

“I wondered for some time whether the same theories I used for mating my mares could apply to a sire,” he said. “My friend Peter Anastasiou [the breeder of Cloth Of Stars] pushed me into turning it into reality. He looked for a stallion, starting in Australia then stretching out and looking in the UK.

“Peter suggested some stallions to see if they had what I looked for and one of them was Cable Bay. The more I peeled back the pedigree, the more comfort I took that we could match mares to this horse.

“So we got him out here and the mission is to turn him into a stallion with double-digit stakes winners to runners. A good horse in Australia might get six to seven per cent; to get over ten per cent is exceptional, then you've got a serious horse.

“It's a bit of a personal challenge, to correctly mate mares to him. I'm pretty confident I'll do it.”

The team that joined Jamieson to import Cable Bay to Australia includes Woodside Park Stud, Grand Lodge and B2B Bloodstock. The partners will be sending around 50 mares who correctly match with the sire, and 12 lots were purchased at Magic Millions by Dermot Farrington and Damon Gabbedy's Belmont Bloodstock for that purpose. They included Miss Cover Girl, a Group 1-winning daughter of Monashee Mountain, for A$500,000 (£296,000/€337,000).

Jamieson did not reveal what criteria those mares filled, saying only his method was “too difficult to explain” but that he looks for “a lot of things – synergies and multiples”.

He dropped one clue by adding that Dancing Brave is “dynamite” in a pedigree due to the influence of that brilliant horse's sire Lyphard and damsire Drone. Dancing Brave was the sire of Cherokee Rose who, remember, is the maternal granddam of Cable Bay.

So there you have it: the key selling point for Jamieson in the acquisition of southern-hemisphere breeding rights in Cable Bay was not necessarily his sire-line, his racing performance or quality of his first foals, as strong as any of those claims may be. Rather, it appears it might have been ancestors in his third and fourth generations and deeper pedigree analysis that clinched the deal.

Cynics would do well to remember the breeder of Black Caviar's phenomenal strike-rate of nine per cent Group 1 winners to runners.

He might just know what he's talking about.


Group 1 winners bred by Rick Jamieson

Black Caviar
Bel Esprit-Helsinge (Desert Sun)
The sprint queen, a daughter of inexpensive sire Bel Esprit, retired undefeated in 25 starts, 15 of them at the highest level including a memorable raid on Royal Ascot that just came off when jockey Luke Nolen stopped riding near the finish of the Diamond Jubilee Stakes.

All Too Hard
Casino Prince-Helsinge (Desert Sun)
By some margin the best horse by his sire, this half-brother to Black Caviar was beaten by Pierro in Group 1 company at two but gained revenge at three when he defeated his old foe to win the Caulfield Guineas before also taking the Orr Stakes, Futurity Stakes and All Aged Stakes.

Jameka
Myboycharlie-Mine Game (General Nediym)
The filly by Myboycharlie - a sire who punches well above his lowly covering fee - is rated comfortably within the top 20 of the Longines World's Best Racehorse Rankings after taking this season's Caulfield Cup and BMW by wide margins.

The Quarterback
Street Boss-Soorena (Encosta De Lago)
Jamieson took the punt on US Grade 1 winner Street Boss in the first season he shuttled to Australia, at a fee of just A$16,500 – around £9,700 or €11,000 – and was rewarded by breeding The Quarterback, who sprang a surprise by winning the prestigious Newmarket Handicap last year.

Lucky Bubbles
Sebring-Bubble Below (Hussonet)
Jamieson paid a snip more for the nomination to Sebring – A$49,500 (£29,000/€33,000) – but at least he caught the sire on the way up, as he eventually stood for as much as A$77,000. The result was Lucky Bubbles, a new star in Hong Kong sprinting and winner of the Chairman's Sprint Prize last month.



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Replies:
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 3:13pm
http://inglis.com.au/sales/info/2017+Great+Southern+Sale/catalogue/779" rel="nofollow - 779 Ch Mare http://inglis.com.au/sales/info/2017+Great+Southern+Sale/catalogue/779" rel="nofollow - Very Choosy http://www.bloodstock.com.au/bloodstock/stallion/choisir-3" rel="nofollow - Choisir Pedantic Owners Cable Bay Syndicate VIC $75,000

Duplication of Sharpen Up here, thru' son & daughter with a 3rd strain of his dam Mixed Marriage thru' daughter Tamerett.
Sireline of both is Danzig.


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 3:17pm

Unnamed
  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Very Choosy (AUS)
Chestnut 2012
Choisir
Chestnut 1999
Danehill Dancer
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Mira Adonde
Bay or brown 1986
Sharpen Up
Lettre d'Amour
1969
1979
5-i
22-b
Great Selection
Chestnut 1990
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Pensive Mood
Chestnut 1983
Biscay
Staid
1965
1968
2-o
8-f
Pedantic
Chestnut 2002
Peintre Celebre
Chestnut 1994
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Peinture Bleue
Chestnut 1987
Alydar
Petroleuse
1975
1978
9-c
9>
Charming Charge
Bay 1995
Rory's Jester
Chestnut 1982
Crown Jester
Rory's Rocket
1978
1973
13-e
1-m
Captivation
Bay 1978
Vain
Mere
1966
1965
A10
1-s
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Danzig4m x 5m Sharpen Up5m x 5f


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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 3:39pm
Scarlet Billows sold yesterday and will be going to this stallion


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 4:07pm
Unnamed  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Scarlet Billows (AUS)
Chestnut 2010
Street Boss
Chestnut 2004
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie
1970
1982
13-c
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Waterway
1976
1976
1-b
1-l
Blushing Ogygian
Chestnut 1994
Ogygian
Bay 1983
Damascus
Gonfalon
1964
1975
8-h
16-a
Fruhlingshochzeit
Bay or brown 1984
Blushing Groom
Fruhlingstag
1974
1975
22-d
1-e
Hushabye Baby
Grey 2004
Hussonet
Chestnut 1991
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Sacahuista
Bay 1984
Raja Baba
Nalees Flying Flag
1968
1975
3-l
9-f
Smytzer's Rivalry
Grey 1996
Made of Gold
Chestnut 1989
Green Forest
Vindaria
1979
1974
8-c
21-a
Contest
Grey 1987
Alibhai
Blue Waltz
1980
1980
13-a
27>
 Ancestor duplications:Mr Prospectorx 5m,4m


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 4:16pm
Unnamed  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Anaphora (AUS)
Chestnut 2011
Dylan Thomas
Bay 2003
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Lagrion
Chestnut 1989
Diesis
Chestnut 1980
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Wrap It Up
Chestnut 1979
Mount Hagen
Doc Nan
1971
1963
1-p
9-c
Power of Love
Chestnut 2002
Bahhare
Bay 1994
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Playmate
1970
1975
13-c
1-s
Wasnah
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Highest Trump
1967
1972
8-f
13-c
Calm Lover
Grey 1993
Spectacular Love
Chestnut 1982
Spectacular Bid
Gallamar
1976
1967
2-d
8-c
Sooth
Grey 1980
Three Legs
Tara
1972
1975
13-a
7-d
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig4m x 4m Sharpen Up5m x 5m Doubly Sure5m x 5m


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 4:21pm
Unnamed  
Cable Bay (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rose de France
Bay 2005
Diktat
Brown 1995
Warning
Bay 1985
Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous
1977
1979
2-f
14-f
Arvola
Bay or brown 1990
Sadler's Wells
Park Appeal
1981
1982
5-h
14-c
Cherokee Rose
Bay 1991
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Navajo Princess
1969
1974
17-b
3-d
Celtic Assembly
Bay 1981
Secretariat
Welsh Garden
1970
1973
2-s
10-c
Goldsmobile (AUS)
Chestnut 2004
Promontory Gold
Chestnut 1997
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Secrettame
Chestnut 1978
Secretariat
Tamerett
1970
1962
2-s
2-f
Possibly Perfect
Bay 1990
Northern Baby
Bay 1976
Northern Dancer
Two Rings
1961
1970
2-d
17-b
Avasand
Chestnut 1985
Avatar
Sandy Blue
1972
1970
5-g
3-n
Nomadic
Bay 1991
Hula Chief
Bay 1982
Marceau
Bay 1974
Kaoru Star
Humour
1965
1962
31>
16-g
Hula Bend
Bay 1965
Never Bend
Hula Hula
1960
1952
19-b
1-s
Mauritania
Bay 1974
The Brianstan
Bay 1967
King's Leap
Sissi
1959
1953
2-u
13-a
Maurine
Bay 1955
Worden
Muscida
1949
1938
13-c
1-u
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Secretariat5f x 5f


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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 9:19pm
Hello,
the yet unnamed 'Cable Bay' offspring had an interesting connection. Mauritania, the third dam, her Sire is 'The Brianstan', it sounds a bit far fetch, but he traces via 'Fair Emigrant' (reimported to Europe) to the wellknown Australian Taprootmare Juliet.
 
regards, Ticino


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 12:08am
From perusing the stud book Cable Bay now has near 30 foals on the ground in Oz


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 12:11am
Fat Finger        next post
 
The 4 photos on Breednet look quite good & there are reports of  2 exceptional types on Merrivale farm at Gooram
Can anyone contribute more information


Posted By: gorrod
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 6:19pm
Sending two to him this year Flowing Habit and Qalanjo

  My reasoning for  Flowing Habit 
 
 Signs of Blessing(Group 1 winner) in her direct family
 Moonlight Cloud (Group 1 winner)   Rainbow Quest and Nijinsky in the female family as does Flowing Habit
 Yosei (Group1 winner) Sunday Silence and Rainbow Quest in female family as does Flowing Habit.
 All are by Invincible Spirit
 
Qalanjo by Xaar meets  a recommended breeding template for Cable Bay.

Can anyone find merit in these selections






Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:41pm
I find it fascinating that all the people who have opinions on this site don't seem to have an opinion on Cable Bay. WHY???


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 1:29pm
Rick sorted all applications and for the most part only accepted mares that he considered matched well with the sire.  Didn't think ours matched and that was confirmed following a chat with him.  Mind you he declined to explain his actual reasoning

So only owners who passed his rule of thumb would have foals on the ground, which may have precluded most or all on here.




Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 1:25am
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Rick sorted all applications and for the most part only accepted mares that he considered matched well with the sire.  Didn't think ours matched and that was confirmed following a chat with him.  Mind you he declined to explain his actual reasoning

So only owners who passed his rule of thumb would have foals on the ground, which may have precluded most or all on here.




Are they still doing that this year? Picking the mares? What sort of mare did you nominate?

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 9:43am
Mare was a city wining stakes-producer.  However I didn't think she matched welland basically only put her up to see if Rick was fair dinkum about knocking back mares he didn't think were suitable for Cable Bay.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 11:29am
Thanks SC!

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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 11:03pm
By the looks of the mares he had accepted he has certainly done some home work.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 12:18am
So that still leaves 2 lines of questioning:
 
1) What lines/nicks is Rick J looking for
 
and of more interest
2) What lines/nicks do our forumites think will work
 
e.g. am I right in thinking that mares by Mr P sire sons have worked in Europe  


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 9:55am
Just looking at a couple of males.

Invincible Spirit: clearly Mr P, also Sir Gaylord, Lalun, Sadlers, Nijinsky.  Two Gp 1 winning sons, from different female families, have siblings Kris and Diesis in the 3rd remove.

I Am Invincible: notably Zabeel/Sir T, clearly Danehill (surprise, surprise), Mr p again, Marscay, Century, Nureyev.

Don't know if that helps all that much.


Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 1:13pm
Yeah second chance is right, and he also is duplicating 7 family via Danzig,Bletchingly and Rockefella via Danehill Dancer in Sharpen Up who also brings in the female line of Mixed Marriage.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 12:39am
The interesting challenge with this stallion is 3fold
* what do we think Rick J is looking for
* what do we think might work
 
LOTS of opinions would make for a good discussion
 
* and then to look back in 2-3 years to see if anything worked
as an aside it will be interesting to see how his yearlings are received at the UK sales over the next few weeks


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 12:45am
My contribution is this:
He has a real chance of succeeding because his pedigree is "balanced', with lots of siblings out to 8 generations so he has a wide range of conquests


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 5:34pm
[QUOTE=Glencoe] The interesting challenge with this stallion is 3fold
* what do we think Rick J is looking for
* what do we think might work
 
LOTS of opinions would make for a good discussion
 
* and then to look back in 2-3 years to see if anything worked
as an aside it will be interesting to see how his yearlings are received at the UK sales over the next few weeks  /QUOTE]

Agree Cable Bay has a nicely balanced pedigree.

I reckon Rick's looking to duplicate certain as yet undefined influences.  If he sticks to what's worked for Invincible Spirit then Sharpen Up, Sir Gaylord, Sadler's/Fairy King (read Encosta in particular) come into play.  If it's nicks then perhaps Mr P and Lalun.

If he's taking I Am Invincible into account then he'd surely be looking for the Sir Tristram/Zabeel nick, daughters of Danehill Dancer, Encosta again, and daughters or grand-daughters of Hussonet.

Mind you that might be well off the mark, however fwiw that's the way I'd tend to be thinking.  Smile






9read Encosta in particular)


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 6:00pm
I've just watched the racing.com promo on him & to say I'm majorly impressed is an understatement Shocked
He's a most magnificent, well balanced, refined stallion with a head to die for & if the foal examples shown, are anything to go by, whatever Rick's doing is working Heart
I can only find the video on their FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/racingdotcom/videos/2100268566969714/ copy/paste.




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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 8:18pm
Had the mares and foals on Bred to Win the other night, they look strong and healthy with some of them having unusual markings around the muzzle area, a good watch fwiw.


Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 9:01pm
He is related to Volksraad via sire line and tail female line. Volksraad didn't set the world on fire but did OK and seems to be doing Ok as a broodmare sire. 

With the relation to Volksraad I wonder what lessons could be learned to improve the stats of Cable Bay.


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Posted By: gorrod
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2019 at 2:00pm
2 winners and a 2nd  placegetter from first three to race uk and europe


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 1:53pm
Cable Bay is off to a flyer in Europe. He had his first stakeswinner overnight in England with the filly Liberty Beach staying unbeaten and winning comfortably.

Overall he has now had 7 or 8 2yo winners which is most from any other first season sire. An interesting coincidence is that all winners so far are fillies.

Being by Invincible Spirit augers well for him to go well down here as well. 


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 7:01pm
Sorry to possibly disappoint you but Racing Post lists the race as a C2 Conditions Stakes, therefore probably not a Listed. The Filly was a 16GBP buyback by her breeder at Tatts
Having sent a mare to him I have watched his progress closely. Lots of runners, 7 or 8 winners Yes, but fairly low class events.
When the carnivals start  June thru to Oct we'll get more of an idea. Winners are one thing. Class is another. Time will tell


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 7:24pm
Spoke to Rick Jamieson a while back, after he'd said he'd only accept mares that "suited his stallion" during its first season.  Almost needless to say Rick wouldn't disclose the criteria.

Had a well bred and performed mare that I thought was unsuited to Cable Bay, asked for his opinion, and to his credit he agreed.  Looking at mares he's certainly accepted more than a couple who on face value had little going for them, however maybe they ticked one or more of his boxes.

Suspect a Green Desert cross (hopefully not too prominent in the mare) thus Danzig, and particularly Zabeel feature among his desired influences, though I could well be wrong.

All of which doesn't really suggest whether this fellow will succeed or otherwise down-under. 


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 11:28pm
Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:

Sorry to possibly disappoint you but Racing Post lists the race as a C2 Conditions Stakes, therefore probably not a Listed. The Filly was a 16GBP buyback by her breeder at Tatts
Having sent a mare to him I have watched his progress closely. Lots of runners, 7 or 8 winners Yes, but fairly low class events.
When the carnivals start  June thru to Oct we'll get more of an idea. Winners are one thing. Class is another. Time will tell

Yeah you're right. Apparently not a Stakes race. I'm sure Arion had it as a Listed race pre-race but they've just put the results up as a non stakes result.

Ah well, regardless , it does seem like it was a regarded race and it did carry early stakeslike prizemoney of 40k pounds. 

Like you i have a mare in foal to Cable Bay and am following him with interest. They have passed the initial hurdle of being good runners. Now to see how much class they carry.

Here;s a small article and a video of the race saying they are looking to take that filly to Ascot.

Time always tells.

https://www.racingtv.com/news/liberty-beach-in-control-at-beverley" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingtv.com/news/liberty-beach-in-control-at-beverley





Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 3:24pm
interestingly the second dam is by Elusive quality. Rick regards E.Q. as a huge plus in a Cable Bay mating


Posted By: gorrod
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 6:23pm
The Queen has a Cable Bay running at Yarmouth tonight Otago the name and in the betting


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 6:57pm
Presumably Otago as in NZ.

If the colt wins there'll presumably be sauvignon blank with the Royal monkfish with herb and garlic butter that evening.  Big smile


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 10:48pm
Has 2 noms in the Coventry Stks Ascot tuesday


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 7:37pm
Very good run by the 100/1 shot Ropey Guest .Ran sixth ,should have finished 4th. Seems to be Listed class at least.
will be interesting to see how the 2 fillies who are much more fancied go tonite.


Posted By: gonski gonski
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 12:12am
How did they go?


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 1:44am
Originally posted by Vivarchi Vivarchi wrote:

Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:

Sorry to possibly disappoint you but Racing Post lists the race as a C2 Conditions Stakes, therefore probably not a Listed. The Filly was a 16GBP buyback by her breeder at Tatts
Having sent a mare to him I have watched his progress closely. Lots of runners, 7 or 8 winners Yes, but fairly low class events.
When the carnivals start  June thru to Oct we'll get more of an idea. Winners are one thing. Class is another. Time will tell

Yeah you're right. Apparently not a Stakes race. I'm sure Arion had it as a Listed race pre-race but they've just put the results up as a non stakes result.

Ah well, regardless , it does seem like it was a regarded race and it did carry early stakeslike prizemoney of 40k pounds. 

Like you i have a mare in foal to Cable Bay and am following him with interest. They have passed the initial hurdle of being good runners. Now to see how much class they carry.

Here;s a small article and a video of the race saying they are looking to take that filly to Ascot.

Time always tells.

https://www.racingtv.com/news/liberty-beach-in-control-at-beverley" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingtv.com/news/liberty-beach-in-control-at-beverley




A shame this filly drew the wrong side of the straight track in the Gr2 Queen Mary just now. Ran 4th, clearly winning the flat division with the placegetters and the bulk of the field coming down the grandstand side.

Was fancied in the betting too. 33's into 16's at the jump.

That's a terrific close 6th coming from last of 17 in the Coventry and a very stiff 4th of 23 in the Queen Mary for Cable Bay fillies.

He may be the real deal.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 12:05pm
3 runners last night. A very impressive 4th. a fair 7th & a disappointing 18th.
So we can deduce that Cable Bay has 2 runners who should at a minimum win a listed event. One more runner on Friday in the Jersey stakes. The Curragh carnival will tell us more
Interestingly only covered 56 mares in UK in 2018. Figures not out yet for 2019 season but doubt it will improve based on his European sales results.
Of course all of the above will have no impact on the outcomes in OZ..It is merely an indicator. With a selective mating program a bright future may await
 


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 2:23am
An interesting thing about Cable Bay is that both he and Kingman are by Invincible Spirit and both have Dancing Brave as the sire of their grand dam.

Kingman is hot hot hot in Europe, taking all before him in his 2nd year.

I remember hearing Rick Jamieson being asked why it was that he was so keen on Cable Bay, and he said while he would rather keep that to himself, the key was Dancing Brave.


Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 12:10pm
Hello,
sometimes it's a small world.
 
Cable Bay has a 2 year old filliy running in Italy (bred in England), her name is Visayas (Cable Bay-Palais Polaire by Polar Falcon), she ran a 3. 'Premio Alessandro Perrone', Listed Race and won 2 smaller races.).
 
Regards, Ticino


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 12:16pm
Thanks Ticino.  Just looked her up.

4 Starts. 2-1-1 $AUS28,596 in Italy.

 

 

Placing

Date

Course

Race Name


 

1 of 6

12-Apr-2019

Roma

Premio Amur


 

1 of 6

10-May-2019

Roma

Premio Polar Prince


 

3 of 10

19-May-2019

Roma

Premio Alessandro Perrone [Listed]


 

2 of 6

29-May-2019

Milano

Premio Dell'Avvenire




Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 9:54am
Hello, Second Chance,
thanks for the "update". I got the info about Visaya I read in our Racing Paper "Sportwelt".
Just to make things even more stunning, her HB Power Jack won his "maiden race" in Germany (Düsseldorf, 15.6.19, Handicap Class D, 1400 meter). His Sire is Sepoy, another familiar Name in AUS.
 
regards, Ticino


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 1:31am
Liberty Beach, the Cable Bay filly that could have won the Queen Mary at Ascot last month just blew them away in a Listed race at the big Sandown meeting.

3 wins from 4 starts for her. She savages the line.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 12:02pm
Impressive to watch. Not a strong field but she may be up to Gr3 class


Posted By: oldflight
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 6:26pm
Will be interesting to see his fertility stats in the Stud Book at end of reporting season.
I am not suggesting anything untoward just that I will be interested thats all


Posted By: oldflight
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 1:51pm
The Plot thickens

The availability of shuttle stallion Cable Bay in Australia this coming stud season is in dispute.

The eight-year-old was scheduled to fly to Australia to prepare for the 2019 Australian stud season at Woodside Park Stud in Victoria where he is advertised at $13,200.

However, Highclere Stud in the UK successfully obtained an injunction from the British High Court last week preventing Cable Bay from leaving, citing an injury concern whilst in quarantine.

The court order will be reviewed on August 8 which, if overturned, will allow the stallion to be on a flight on August 17 with the Australian stud season commencing September 1.

Cable Bay stands at Highclere Stud in the UK and has shuttled to Woodside Park Stud for the past two years where he has covered 219 mares with 63 live foals.

From his first crop runners in Europe Cable Bay has sired 13 winners to date, headed by the Listed winning filly Liberty Beach.



Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 7:16pm
Cable Bay is now returning this year to Australia. Good news.

His filly Liberty Beach was again super impressive the other night. She is apparently going to the Gp1 Prix Morny next start and the trainer then wants to go to The Breeders Cup juvenile after that. The owner however isn't so sure and may prefer coming back after France to the Gp1 Cheveley back in England.

Cable Bay will be on the Aug 15 flight to Oz with whatever the issue actually was now resolved.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 11:06pm
But will leave on Nov 13


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 11:10pm
What is the reasoning behind that ?

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Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 11:20pm
Compromise????????


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 12:26pm
Probably only took 50-odd bookings.... or selected that many suitable entries from the hundreds that applied, as the story is more likely to be told.

Might also be the case that early foals are better for the business of marketing a stallion with zero runners on track, so Nov/Dec covers are akin to a pump & dump.


Posted By: gonski gonski
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 11:17pm
Crazy theory.


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 3:38am
A nice colt Tomfre just brought up his hat trick at Newmarket to make it 3 wins from 4.

Cable Bay is making his mark over there and his progeny should suit out here too i would think. Precocious, speedy, strong, honest and decent amount of class.


Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 9:26pm
Hello,
maybe you are interested to read. In the lastest German Thoroughbredbreedersmagazine "Vollblut" are several  Stallion statistics. According their listings "Cable Bay" (Current Season, in Europe in order of Prizemoney. These statistics relate to Flat racing in Great Britain & Ireland, France, Germany and Italy) is thirdplaced in the catagory "Leading Sires of First Crop" with 36 runners, 13 winners, 19 races won, 1 stakes winner, Engl. Pound 196.013 Money won.
 
Best regards, Ticino


Posted By: oldflight
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2019 at 6:44pm
My guess is as already mentioned above, compromise and management of Fertility.
Missing a whole season can stall a stallions progression greatly.
 


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 12:51pm
219 covered and 63 live foals ?   Risky for the mare owner ?


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Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

219 covered and 63 live foals ?   Risky for the mare owner ?

There are another 97 mare returns yet to come in for this foaling season - the majority of which should result in foals as most empty mares are already returned by now. So that should end up approx 75% fertility which is probably the low end of normal.


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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2019 at 9:53pm
In Oz 63 live foals from 100 mares covered in 2017.
Reasonable to expect approx. 75+ live foals to arrive in 2019 in Oz from 119 2018 covers.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 11:54am
Have British breeders missed the boat.
Cable Bay covered only 56 mares in U.K. in 2018 and an unbelievably low 30 in 2019. Admittedly it was easy to run scared based on the sales results of his second crop yearling sales.
Now that he has runners and is leading first season sire lists in Europe things have changed
 
At the Goffs Premier sale over the past 2 days 5 colts & fillies have an average & median of approx. $150K Aus. It will be interesting to see how the 3 entries in the silver sale fare tonight
 
By the way it appears some of Rick Jamiesons patterns work. Now the question remains. Will those same patterns work in Australia? The outcome will be interesting & also interesting to see as it evolves


Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 12:20am
Hello,
maybe it's old News for you.
 
According your racing paper "Sportwelt" (Issue Tuesday, 27.8.19)
 
Liberty Beach (Cable Bay-Flirtatinaskirt by Avonbridge) ran second in the "Sky Bet Lowther Stakes,
1200 meter, Group 2, York, 22.8.19. Breeder: Philipp Wilkins, Trainer: J. Ouinn, Jockey: J. Hart
 
Ropey Guest (Cable Bay-Hadeeya by Oratorio) ran third in the "Tattersalls Acomb Stakes",
1400 meter, Group 3, York, 21.8.19. Breeder: Mrs. S. Hamilton & Kirtlington Stud Ltd, Trainer:
G. Margarson, Jockey: T. Queally
 
regards, Ticino


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 5:55pm
Cable Bay looks a near certainty to be the champion 1st season sire in Europe now. His colt King's Lynn just won a 300K Pound sales race on Thursday at the Doncaster Carnival. Terrific performance by Cable Bay as he served a low grade book of mares. Shades of I Am Invincible maybe. Invincible Spirit has now got I Am Invincible and Kingman who are out and out gun sires. And now Cable Bay looking the goods. 

It was a very nice win from King's Lynn in a field of 20 at only his 2nd start. There were some nice stakes performers behind him.

https://www.racingtv.com/news/king-s-lynn-powers-to-doncaster-glory-for-the-queen" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingtv.com/news/king-s-lynn-powers-to-doncaster-glory-for-the-queen


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 6:28pm
Interestingly Night Of Thunder will almost certainly finish 2nd on the UK first season sire list.

He stood just one season in Oz and wasn't really wanted.



Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 7:25pm
Statistics may suggest that first season success in the UK are not a great indicator of likely success here.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 7:36pm
Thanks for telling us something most around here are well aware of.  Smile

Though the I Am invincible/Invincible Spirit success down-under does provide some justification for optimism regarding Cable Bay.

ps just threw the Dubawi fellow in for interest.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2019 at 8:48pm
Two comments:
He is upgrading mares
The better runners have identified breeding patterns
Those two things alone are good signs. Does it cross hemispheres? time will tell


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2019 at 5:03pm
Cable Bay train keeps choofing along. 4 wins and a 2nd from last seven runners.

He's not only a clear leader on the European first season sire list, he is a clear leader on the overall UK leading 2yo sire list. All from a very average broodmare band and not many in the better stables.




Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:


Two comments:He is upgrading mares The better runners have identified breeding patterns Those two things alone are good signs. Does it cross hemispheres? time will tell

Could you please elaborate on the patterns? I don’t closely follow the racing over there

linghi I've posed the question on each of the queried stallions' threads Smile





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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2019 at 11:38pm
Hello,
'Cable Bay' hat some more placed offspring in Europe
 
Ropey Guest (Cable Bay-Hadeeya by Oratorio) ran third in the "Dubai Autumn Stakes",
1600 meter, Group 3, Newmarket, 12.10.19. Breeder: Mrs. S. Hamilton & Kirtlington Stud Ltd, Trainer: G. Margarson, Jockey: S. Kelly
 
Jouska (Cable Bay-Quiet Protest by Kingmambo) ran third in the "Cornwallis Stakes",
1000 meter, Group 3, Newmarket, 11.10.19, Breeder: Equity Growth Partners Ltd, Trainer: H. Candy, Jockey: S. Foley
 
regards, Ticino


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 3:37am
Originally posted by Vivarchi Vivarchi wrote:

Liberty Beach, the Cable Bay filly that could have won the Queen Mary at Ascot last month just blew them away in a Listed race at the big Sandown meeting.

3 wins from 4 starts for her. She savages the line.


This 3yo filly just ran a super 3rd in the Gp1 Kings Stand against the older sprinters at Ascot. She chased in vain Battaash all the way and got pipped by a late finisher on the line for 2nd. She's a ripper.

For perspective, Battaash is apparently the highest rated horse in the world at 136.

Liberty Beach is a great banner horse for Cable Bay. A lowly priced filly and matching it with the best in her short career. Great to see her improving from a top class 2yo into a better 3yo.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2020 at 1:13pm

G1 July Cup Winner Features Familiar Bloodlines

Tara Madgwick - Saturday July 11

The Group I Darley July Cup (5f) was run overnight at Newmarket with the winner Oxsted giving another sire son of Invincible Spirit in Mayson his first Group I winner, whilst also highlighting the merit of his dam sire Choisir.

A progressive four year-old gelding trained by Roger Teal, Oxsted won the Group III Abernant Stakes over the same course and distance in early June with connections electing to bypass Royal Ascot and focus on this race with happy results.

Ridden by Cieren Fallon, Oxsted relished the drying conditions to forge clear and win by a length and a quarter clocking a time just 0.28sec outside the course record.


He gave both his trainer and jockey their first Group I winner.

It's unbelievable. Harry [Teal's son] has done a fantastic job - he said last week that Oxsted would win the July Cup. We believed, although we knew what we were up against. Cieren rode a peach, he's such a cool little dude, said Roger Teal.

Retained to race by his breeders, Oxsted has the overall record of four wins and two placings from nine starts and is the first Group I winner for his sire Mayson, who won the July Cup in 2012.

Mayson is the sire of Oxsted

Mayson is the sire of Oxsted



Mayson stands at Cheveley Park at a fee of 5,000 pounds.

Oxtsed is the best of two winners from the handy four time winning Choisir mare Charlotte Rosina, whose immediate family is barren of Black Type.

Interestingly for Australian breeders, Choisir mares have a good record with sons of Invincible Spirit, that nick producing 14 winners from 20 runners including four stakes-winners with Oxsted the first Group I winner and Australian bred Eckstein, a Group III winner that was second in the Group I VRC Myer Classic.

Thats certainly food for thought this season given the plentiful supply of Choisir mares and the choice of no fewer than seven sons of Invincible Spirit at stud here this spring.






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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2020 at 6:14pm
Choisir and Redoute's have a similar mix of blood and both lines go well with Invincible Spirit.  Also while the female line has been quiet it does go back to Hyperion's 3rd dam Gondolette herself the dam of two classic winners as well as a winner of the Dewhurst S.  So you couldn't see a family like that not crossing to something like Choisir with all his lines of Selene.  And then shock horror the stallion Mayson is also of that female line.  It doesn't always work but if it does you usually get a very good one.  He just push the anti up again.

So the way I look at this horse Oxted is the female line and the male line and the damsire where a very good mix.  But first and foremost it was that female line finding what it needed.  So while I'd say Choisir and Invincible Spirit blood probably mixes well don't overlook the female line in the mating.

On a side line I've sometimes found horses winning by Australian breed sires and have checked the mares other produce.  Often just to see what class of mare our stallions a serving in Europe.  The number of mares with say four foals and the Aussie stallion has produced the only winner is quite strong.  It's almost like they are sending all the also rans to see if they can introduce a bit of speed into the mix.


Posted By: Mr Prospector
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 9:48am
Invincible Spirit is standing at the Irish national stud at a quoted fee of 100k . 
Mayson , the sire of Oxted is standing Cheveley Park Stud (UK) at a fee of 5k . That looks like incredible value for a good sprinting son of Invincible Spirit with the 5k = to about $9k aud .






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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 4:09pm
You are almost certainly 100% correct Furious.

Whilst there seems to be a valid reason that Inv Spirit crosses well with Choisir such as Inv Sp and Danehill Dancer both being Danzig/Sharpen Up, there may be something else at play. 

You pointed out Oxted lines of Selene. If we look at best stakeswinner from I Am Invincible/Choisir being Eckstein you see Eckstein tail female is Jesmond Lass who is dam of IAI damsire Canny Lad. And also the great grand dam sire of Eckstein is Sir Tristram who of course hails from Selene family.


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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 12:00am
I'm not sure that Cable Bay has had a 2YO wnr in Europe this year


Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 12:30am
Live On Stage in Italy


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 8:26pm
Is that really all? If so very different to last year


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 8:31pm
One winner from seven or so starters.  But early doors.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 12:48am
Jouska & Tomfre in Gr3 races Sun night at York


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 9:38pm
He had his first 2nd crop 2yo winner last night. Minor race but won very impressively by 4L.

Atalis Bay i think was the name. Looks a nice colt.


Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 3:24am
Jouska (3f Cable Bay x Quiet Protest, by Kingmambo) has won the LR Boadicea Stakes over 6 furlongs at Newmarket.



Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2021 at 9:37pm
Hello,
maybe youlike to read, Cable Bay has a 2021 foal in Germany.
A Filly Cable Bay - Dyveke by Lando - Daytona Beach, foaled 08.03.21, bred by "Wiesengrund Stud".

regards, Ticino



Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 7:56pm

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Unbeaten on the all-weather with three wins at Wolverhampton, Newcastle and Kempton coming by a combined margin of 12 1/2 lengths since the start of March, Yoshiro Kubota's Dragon Symbol (GB) (Cable Bay {GB}) made his first turf start an impressive one to earn TDN Rising Star status at Hamilton on Sunday. Sent off the 11-8 favourite to transform that prowess to the grass in the valuable MansionBet Best Odds Guaranteed EBF Tangerine Trees Conditions S., the Archie Watson-trained grey raced keenly tracking the early pace dropping back to five furlongs for the first time. In front passing the two-furlong pole, the grey did his familiar thing and went clear from there to register a 3 1/4-length verdict over the solid yardstick Significantly (GB) (Garswood {GB}). Jockey Adam McNamara was impressed. He travelled really well considering five is probably a bit sharp for him, he said of sire Cable Bay's first 'TDN Rising Star'. I don't think he's ever galloped on grass at home, but Archie's horses are so straightforward it doesn't matter. He's in the [June 15] G1 King's Stand [at Royal Ascot] and I'm not sure where he'll go, but I'd hazard a guess and say he's more likely to go to the [G1] Commonwealth [Cup at Royal Ascot June 18]. He keeps improving somehow and is a very good one. I got a lead, as he was a little bit keen in front for Oisin [Murphy] the last day and he travelled beautifully. I galloped him a couple of months ago and said to Archie he could be an 85 horse, but he keeps finding and he looks a very good one. He's going to win a big one very soon, hopefully. It's not every day you get to ride one like that. The winner is the first foal out of a half-sister to the listed-winning duo Smart Enough (GB) (Cadeaux Genereux {GB}) and Oasis Dancer (GB) ( https://bit.ly/2Yiu7qQ" rel="nofollow - Oasis Dream  {GB}) whose dam is the G1 Prix Saint-Alary third Good Enough (Fr) (Mukaddamah). She is also the second dam of the recent Listed Sean Barrett Bloodstock S. winner Laugh a Minute (GB) (Mayson {GB}), who was also placed in the G3 Prix de Meautry and G3 Chipchase S., and this stable's Endless Joy (GB) (Showcasing {GB}) who was third in the G3 Firth of Clyde S. The dam, who also hails from the family of the G1 Cheveley Park S. heroine Seazun (Ire) (Zieten), has a 2-year-old filly by Postponed (Ire) and a yearling colt by Adaay (Ire).

3rd-Hamilton, 35,000, Cond, 5-2, 3yo, 5f 7yT, :59.04, g/f.
DRAGON SYMBOL (GB), c, 3, by Cable Bay (Ire)
     1st Dam: Arcamist (GB), by Arcano (Ire)
     2nd Dam: Good Enough (Fr), by Mukaddamah
     3rd Dam: Viceroy Princess (GB), by Godswalk
Sales history: 67,000gns Ylg '19 TAOCT. Lifetime Record: 4-4-0-0, $40,456. O-Yoshiro Kubota; B-Whitsbury Manor Stud (GB); T-Archie Watson. Click for the  https://www.racingpost.com/results/22/hamilton/2021-05-02/781407" rel="nofollow - Racing Post result  or the  http://www.equineline.com/tdn/pedigree.cfm?tk=HAM&cy=ENG&rd=05/02/2021&rn=3&de=D&ref=10480118&pid=4134" rel="nofollow - free Equineline.com catalogue-style pedigree .



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Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2022 at 6:02pm
Cable Bay looks to have sired a good one in Uncommon James (4g Cable Bay x Pickabee, by Jet Spur). He just won the Listed Regal Roller Stakes at Caulfield in an impressive manner.



Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2022 at 6:24pm
Too little too late unfortunately GA.  He's clearly doing better in the NH than here.


Posted By: oldflight
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2023 at 2:14pm
Well Uncommon James wins a Gr1 and India goes crazy, 
Cable Bay now standing at Kehar Singh Stud Farm in Punjab

Now that the dust has settled and the horse has been Relocated does the Group here have any opinions either way on the way the Horse was marketed, I mean via the if your mare fits our Breeding Plan / Formula you can come to this stallion.

I know he covered 100/120 mares and in 2020 had the COV19 drop to 80 and they would have got out square or a bit in front.
But from my experience many of a Stallions early crop winners come from many and varied bloodlines and families that you would never expect.

When I was much younger, working on a Farm in WA we had a cracking Mill Reef Stallion called Marooned, his first good horse was a filly called Prime Again, She was by Sanhedrin Bread and Butter sire in WA (placed in Seattle Slews Kentucky Derby) who was by Good Counsel.

Prime Again’s Dam was by the champ NZ sire So Big and the second Dam was by the unbelievable Faux Tirage. Nobody was saying this was going to work to a Mill reef horse.

The farm thought so little of the mare that after foaling down Prime Again and she was a scruffy foal they sold the mare on.

So what in a round about way I am trying to show, is why knock back people with good mares that may or may not be the making of your stallion, you can also never underestimate the environmental factors and feeding in-uterine that can assist in establishing a good athlete, as said by people much smarter than me, they can come from anywhere.

As we know people love there mares and being told your mare is not good enough, was a bit rich for some people who are of a thinner skin than mine, I really think this has made it hard for Woodside to get some of the mares in that Bracket back to their Farm. 

I know Dod's is doing his best but it is a struggle. And yes I know the horse only stood there on agreement.

I did not mean for it to go longer than Diatribes Caufield Cup. 


But thats my take on it


Ciao For Now Old Flight





Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2023 at 2:39pm
I'll never forget Barts saying Oldflight , " half the breeding , is in the feeding " . makes sense , but a wise old owl was he . Wink


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2023 at 2:50pm
Jamieson took a risk knocking back mares because they didn't fit his breeding theories and the horse failed.  Whether he would haver failed irrespective is a moot point, however common sense suggests if you give a stallion more opportunity....


Posted By: ribot90
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 8:56pm
well I have a lovely filly yearling by Cable Bay out of a Sea The Moon mare also a colt foal also great.
you are right good food - a then a trainer which is key - I remember a relative of mine who was good friends with Frank Butters and he said 'anyone can train horses less than 10% know what they are doing' that is probably true. The word 'great' trainers is often misused.


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all horses can win


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 9:22pm
Let's not forgot the breaker/starter who can literally make or break them. There are still far too many 'cowboys' being given the job because they're cheap or just down the road, by unknowledgeable, cheapskate owners Angry
Best of luck with your 2 Ribot, I've noticed a few more winners popping up for him here 
Smile

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Posted By: oldflight
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 2:17pm
Hi All,
Just to be clear I was not knocking the Horse's ability to generate winners just that the way the horse was marketed in Australia narrowed his chances. 
Ribot90 I wish you all the luck in the world please keep us posted on the progress of your two.

Ciao for Now Oldflight 


Posted By: ribot90
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 9:10pm
hello Oldflight I think you are right about marketing - I think he has done ok down in Australia and typical as they sell him to stand in India he gets group 1 winner. The number of horses this happens to is alot - from Hornbeam to Duke of Marmalade.
Just looking around at trainers for her - her mum was trained by Charlie Fellowes so will have a chat with him, the grand dam I who is by Dansili I had with Henry Cecil and I still have the great grand dam by Shareef Dancer out of Troy mare 28 and still the boss
Ribot90 aka Paul


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Posted By: ribot90
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 9:13pm
thanks Gay3
I think I could write a book on some of the trainers haha - her mum was trained by Charlie Fellowes and he was good so will talk to him.. i've keep you posted


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