Hot King Prawn
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Topic: Hot King Prawn
Posted By: StormSiren
Subject: Hot King Prawn
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 5:13pm
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So my mare's half-brother made a very nice debut in Hong Kong today after being hyped for a few weeks. Hot King Prawn - initially bought by Price bloodstock and had a few jump outs and trials with Mick Price is now with John Size and a first start 2yo Hong Kong winner... Might be in for some page updates with our girl   ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 5:26pm
| Was he named here? |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 6:45pm
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Yes - 'Join In'. Had two? jump outs at Caulfield and one official trial. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 6:53pm
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Looks smart ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 6:54pm
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Just checked the records , was with Smerdon ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 7:31am
Just realised the error this morning, whoops  ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 7:42am
| How to stuff a pedigree page, send one to Asia, unless of course you are happy seeing your families on a one way ticket. Very few are repatriated, only plus is it is with John Size, unless they go to the likes of Moore or Size/Hall, kiss the page updates goodbye. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 7:52am
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How so Bonjour? Is the feeling that only the asian market appreciates wins over there? Ps. Xavier - mixed up Mick Price with Price Bloodstock who owned him. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 8:59am
| It's my opinion SS, A Gr race in Asia doesn't carry anywhere near the cred anywhere else does, plus it's a crap life for a horse, you don't think they get a happy retirement in China do you? Singapore and Malaysia are even worse, unless those horses unlucky enough to end up there in that stinking heat [and I spent a lot of time in KL in the 80's.....until I woke up and got a conscience] have owners that want them back in OZ/NZ after their racing ends......Black Type in HK is a furphy, maybe the invitation or elevated races in DEC, but in all reality, ask the UK bloodstock agents, not the sycophants that masquerade as bloodstock agents here. |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 5:25pm
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All good, I remember seeing him when he was at caulfield. Cracking type ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 8:01am
Lining up in his second race today, currently $1.10 favourite for anyone who likes taking Winx odds!  ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Black Prince 2
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 11:04am
I'll be watching but I never ever bet in the red ! Good luck |
StormSiren wrote:Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 5:01pm
| That was effortless. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 5:57pm
Apparently shortest price favourite since Silent Witness in his heyday.. got down to money back in HK  Pretty stoked right now to own his sister! ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 7:30pm
| Not sure about what he's beating but, wow, he looks the goods |
Posted By: Flamethrower
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 12:20am
| I'm very much looking forward to seeing how he responds when the blowtorch is applied. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 2:42am
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 2:43am
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 10:14am
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What do we make of these Demans? They seem to be a flash in the pan. I remember early on Darley were shutting the book on him - they would be giving away noms these days with the way they failed to go on. Might be a concern for whether this one has scope to go on with it - albeit I haven't even seen him yet. Storm Siren - congrats. Hope he adds a zero to the value of your mare! ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 10:27am
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It'll be interesting - the family of late hasn't really been two year old types, they tend to be better at 3-4 years and over a slightly longer trip (1400-1600). Will be fun to watch... ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 12:30pm
Hot King Prawn offers the bare minimum in dominationJohn Size’s youngster is the first horse in five years to return the bottom dividend of $1.05 as he cruises away for a commanding victory Hot King Prawn won his way out of griffin class and into the general horse population with another hollow victory at Sha Tin on Sunday as the first horse in five years to pay the minimum dividend but he won’t be seen again this term. Amber Sky was the last horse to return the minimum payout of $10.50 for a $10 bet, in May 2012, and Bear Hero in May the year before that – both after winning griffin races – but before them it was Silent Witness more than a decade ago. Hot King Prawn (Zac Purton) never gave his legion of backers a moment’s concern, bouncing to the front and strolling in by almost six lengths to be John Size’s 90th winner for the season, but the C-grade opposition he has beaten leaves no one any the wiser as to his ultimate capabilities. While some were waxing lyrical about what’s to come, Purton and Size were more circumspect. “The horses he beat today aren’t very good and he’s had two soft kills against the same kind of opposition,” Purton said. “He does everything right, he has good gate speed and a good head on his shoulders but until he is put under pressure, nobody knows what he’s made of.” And that’s not something he’s going to have a chance to show this season, with Size not at all interested in throwing the two-year-old in against open age Class Three horses after he is given a rating by the handicapper today. “My job is to realise his potential – whatever it is – so I’ll look after him and there’s plenty of time next season for Class Three,” Size said. “Even then, there won’t be any hurry to run him soon or often and I’ll let him tell me when he is right to go. The handicapper will give him a number now and it will be up to me to manage him so he can catch up to that number when he does run.” The victory left Size one short of the all-time record season’s tally for a trainer. http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2098891/hot-king-prawn-offers-bare-minimum-domination?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=SCMPSocialNewsfeed" rel="nofollow - http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2098891/hot-king-prawn-offers-bare-minimum-domination?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=SCMPSocialNewsfeed ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 8:05am
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3 from 3... brilliant effort first up yesterday, even more so given he's a SH 3yo against the older horses... http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2118512/trio-talented-types-hot-king-prawn-conte-and-time-celebrate-has-john ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 10:01am
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Looks like this guy is starting again on Sunday at Sha Tin trying to make it four from four... based on his first up run and looking at the opposition shouldn't be too much of a stretch to get there... ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 6:46pm
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 7:16pm
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I think this guy might be the real deal - four from four, untouched against older company. Sooo exciting ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 7:22pm
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Hope you're right SS. However he's still a restricted galloper and the one he beat today has won just 4 from 37.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 7:25pm
He has a poor strike rate but he is very consistent at this level and Hot King Prawn treated him with contempt. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 7:26pm
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Very True - all he can do though is keep on winning. Untouched is what you’d expect with the company. Let’s see how he goes against C2 next time ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 7:34pm
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I find it laughable the caller refers to barrier 14 as the extreme outside gate when the whole field converges to the same side of the course everytime there is a 1000m race at Shatin. The way he calls it the extreme outside gate indicates it is a disadvantage when it is clearly an advantage being drawn in that gate. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 8:11pm
Yep, very consistent at this level, having recorded one win, one 2nd and one 3rd from his last 18 starts.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 8:18pm
We could argue semantic here  but he is rarely beaten far.------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 10:20pm
Force of habit I'd say. Max field size is 14 so technically correct even if it is better to draw high down the straight
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 11:18pm
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Am i wrong in thinking he is a Pom ? If that is the case surprising he does not call it near and far sides. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 11:31pm
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Brett Davis is an Aussie. John Branch is a pom |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 11:58am
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Looks like Hot King Prawn will be lining up again this weekend to try for 5 from 5. Up to Class 2 now.. will be interesting to see how he does, particularly after Size was talking down running him again this year after his last start, per below article: John Size could throw Hot King Prawn on the back-burner after fourth straight win at Sha Tin The boom youngster remains undefeated after another impressive victory but the nine-time champion trainer will weigh up his options before deciding on his next target by Alan Aitken on Sunday, December 3, 2017 10:15 PM Exciting young sprinter Hot King Prawn surged into Class Two with another effortless win down the Sha Tin straight on Sunday that could earn him a holiday rather than a new target. The John Size-trained three-year-old didn’t have things all his own way in the lead, with the year-older Encore Boy eyeballing him for the first half of the race to see if there were any weaknesses in the grey’s make-up – there weren’t. Jockey Zac Purton hardly had to move on him again and this time put up both good margins and a very smart winning time as he made it four wins from as many starts. The win by more than two lengths will again attract the eye of the handicapper and, while we might be talking about Hot King Prawn this time next year as a Hong Kong Sprint runner, the rise into Class Two at this stage of his career will be a red flag to Size. Last season, during Nothingilikemore’s march up the ratings, Size made it clear he was not in favour of running immature three-year-olds in Class Two and that is where Hot King Prawn will find himself now. That angle bred some speculation that Size might take Hot King Prawn to the Griffin Trophy next start – against his own age, but over 1,400m – but the trainer knocked that on the head. “He might well win a race like that against three-year-olds but I never had any thought of running him there, just for the sake of winning a race. It isn’t my style,” Size said. “I’m more interested in his longer-term future, so we’ll see what the handicapper does with him and we’ll see if there is something in the programme that might be suitable, but if there’s not he might have a break for a few months. “There’s nowhere to hide once you’re in Class Two, they’ve all won a few races and can all gallop so it isn’t easy for an immature, inexperienced horse.” Until now, Purton has played down his opinion of Hot King Prawn, who beat nothing in two Griffin races last season, and didn’t have the strongest opposition in his first-up Class Three win either, but he was more generous in his praise after Sunday’s easy victory under a much heavier weight. “I was a bit surprised that Encore Boy tried to serve it up to me in the lead like that for as long as he did, because he was always going to come off second-best,” said Purton. “But all it did was show that my fellow had more left in the tank. I think that we saw more of what Hot King Prawn is about today than we have with him just coasting around on the bit. He was actually better today going flat out the whole way than he is if you sit up on him.” Tight against the outside rail, Hot King Prawn had to shrug off the attentions of Encore Boy and make his move early, which could have left him vulnerable. “He had to get rolling early to maintain his position and he was getting crowded for room, but once Encore Boy dropped off, my bloke just picked the bit up and surged and clicked himself into another gear,” Purton said. “He’s such a relaxed horse that I don’t think 1,200m is going to be a problem but John’s a master at picking out the right race, so I’ll leave the race planning up to him.” Hot King Prawn was the highlight of the day for most fans but especially for Size, who had no runner in the first four races then had frustrating defeats with Bond Elegance, House Of Fun and Calculation – the latter pair grabbed right on the line in the final two races. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2017 at 6:58pm
Another nice win today and we get to see how the form stacks up. Turf Sprinter is a nice 9/2+ at the moment. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2017 at 6:58pm
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Turf Sprint ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2017 at 7:08pm
 
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 9:43am
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Looks like he's not far off a return - had his third trial yesterday and looked very good 1/2 length off Lucky Bubbles over the 1200m, 7 lengths back to the next horses. Will be interesting to see if Size runs him over the 1200m this time in - certainly more opportunity over that distance at the higher level. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2018 at 10:11pm
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Running this Sunday. As an aside, Ladbrokes has him $26 for The Everest .. Runs against new Aussie imports Summer Passage and Eptimum Can Hot King Prawn join John Size’s stable of elite sprinters? The boom three-year-old faces a host of challenges if he is to keep his unbeaten record intact at Sha Tin on Sunday by Michael Cox on Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:34 PM 0Comments Just how many world-class sprinters does John Size have? Well, he could have one more enter the top ranks on Sunday and join the four rockets he has running in the Group One Chairman’s Sprint Prize. Perhaps the best example of Size’s extraordinary depth in the sprint division is that while he will dominate the betting for the Group One with Beat The Clock, Mr Stunning, Ivictory and Amazing Kids, he also has unbeaten three-year-old Hot King Prawn contesting a 1,200m Class Two on the undercard. Size has a total of eight 1,000m or 1,200m specialists rated 100 or higher and has won six of the seven sprint contests at Group level this season. The 98-rated Hot King Prawn can join his stablemates in triple figures in the Class Two Audemars Piguet Lady Millenary Handicap (1,200m) but will have to overcome some serious obstacles to do it. Hot King Prawn has to carry the top weight of 133 pounds against mostly older horses, is first-up for more than three months and tackles a turn and 1,200m for the first time. Jockey Zac Purton has been aboard for each of Hot King Prawn’s five victories, all of them at short prices and each with a sense of ease that indicated a bright future. Purton said the weight was the biggest concern, pointing to the recent defeat of youngster Lean Perfection when 1.6 favourite as evidence of the adage “weight can stop trains”. “It’s not easy, there have been a couple of three-year-olds lately that have got to the top of Class Three and hit a brick wall, so we are mindful of that factor, but you can’t keep them locked in a box forever,” he said. The Australian is less concerned about Hot King Prawn’s lay-off and the added degree of difficulty brought by a turn and step up in trip. “John likes to give his three-year-olds a bit of time once they get to a mark, so there was nothing wrong with him, it was just a matter of letting him develop,” he said. Hot King Prawn has trialled three times since December, the last of those on April 17 over 1,200m on the all-weather track. “He has come back in really good order and improved from one trial to the next,” he said. “And, importantly, I think he handled himself well at 1,200m around a corner.” Another slight concern is an awkward draw, from where Hot King Prawn will have to show his early dash in a race that contains fellow front-runners California Fortune (Joao Moreira), Shamal (Victor Wong Chun) and E-Super (Jack Wong Ho-nam). “It’s too early to talk tactics, I need to take a good look at the race, but he has shown he has gate speed and I would expect that he will be handy,” Purton said. Purton and Joao Moreira’s rivalry continues on Sunday with the top two riders in town both with a strong book of rides. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2018 at 9:35pm
| Unfortunately had to give my boy Wishful Thinker 7.5kgs who didn't have the clearest of runs but when you've got a turn of foot like he does 52.5 probably feels like nothing |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2018 at 9:38pm
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Hot King - one dimensional. This is his grade at best |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2018 at 10:21pm
| After the event I know but wishful thinker was a special on his last run |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2018 at 7:58am
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You're a hard marker Sir Gov! Ran the opening 800m faster than any in the Group One over the same distance, carrying 7 pounds more, first up and at three.. On times he still beats half the Chairman's Sprint Prize field home with the extra weight. Don't think he's met his limit just yet. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 6:56pm
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Won again the other day his first time around Happy Valley - now 6 wins from 8 starts. Looks like he may make his next start in G3 company in October, rating is up to 112 - not bad for a 3yo over there. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 6:57pm
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Make that 6 wins from 7 starts * ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 6:53am
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He's certainly keeping the cataloguers busy of late... This prep three starts for three wins, picking up 2x Group Twos and a Group 3... can't wait for the G1 in three weeks! https://www.sportingpost.co.za/2018/11/gr2-bochk-wealth-management-jockey-club-sprint/ The Magic Prawn'A very unusual horse' - John SizeA rampant new star and a returning older one combined in perfect harmony at Sha Tin on Sunday as Hot King Prawn and Joao Moreira landed the Gr2 BOCHK Wealth Management Jockey Club Sprint r in dynamic all-the-way fashion. Moreira, who left for Japan in July only to find his new career plans thwarted by a failed written test, was back at Sha Tin just 24 hours after being granted a six-month licence to return to Hong Kong as stable jockey to John Size. He took the leg up on Hot King Prawn after an undistinguished start to the day – with no placings from his first six rides – but the Brazilian was all smiles again after Hot King Prawn took his record to nine wins from 10 attempts. “It’s such a pleasure to be back riding a horse like this for John,” he said. “He was so fast out of the gate and when I asked him to go in the straight I was always confident that he could hold on.” Hot King Prawn’s chances of holding on were increased considerably by the fact that Moreira was able to secure the lead without using up anything like as much energy as the early leaders in the previous two Gr2 contests on the card had to expend. The freewheeling grey put his nearest pursuer Ivictory in trouble as he stretched for home early in the home straight and opened up a lead of a couple of lengths soon after. Mr Stunning and Karis Teetan found full stride in the final 150m, but Moreira had judged things perfectly on the winner, who hit the line with half a length to spare in a time of 1m 08.59s. The winner’s stablemate Beat The Clock stayed on willingly after a lengthy break to finish an honourable third with Winner’s Way in fourth, but things didn’t go well for the rest of the Size quintet as Ivictory, Premiere and D B Pin filled the last three places.
“He’s made gradual improvement and keeps coming up with the goods,” he added. “We keep turning him out but he helps himself both at home and at the races.” Size is well aware that Hot King Prawn’s last two successes have come without too much pace pressure and that a new set of rivals may offer something different when he bids to land the Gr1 LONGINES Hong Kong Sprint (1200m) on 9 December. “Pressure for the lead is a concern and I’m sure someone will come up with a plan, but I think this horse can adapt. I haven’t had a chance to check the other horses yet but Silvestre (de Sousa) was very happy with Beat The Clock and he should improve for today’s run.” Connections of those who chased the winner home in this dress rehearsal for the Hong Kong Sprint will be well aware that only one Jockey Club Sprint winner in the last decade has gone on to follow up in the December showpiece. That one horse was Mr Stunning last year and Teetan, who felt that a bump from Ivictory harmed his cause, is relishing the chance to take on Hot King Prawn on better terms next month. He said: “Zac’s horse smashed into him and he fell back half a length but he got his momentum late and hit the line strong.” De Sousa felt that the lack of a searching pace wasn’t ideal for Beat The Clock and feels “he could be a very smart horse for next time,” but Purton remains in the dark about why Ivictory has failed to shine this season and conceded that “he just doesn’t seem at his best at the moment.” No such comment applies to Hot King Prawn and Mr Stunning and the stage is now set perfectly for round three back at Sha Tin in three weeks’ time. The record reflects that Hot King Prawn came out on top by a length and a quarter when receiving 11lb in the Premier Bowl and by just half a length when receiving 5lb today. Level weights will apply when Mr Stunning attempts to join Falvelon, Silent Witness, Sacred Kingdom, Lord Kanaloa and Aerovelocity as dual winners of the Hong Kong Sprint, but Moreira has ample faith in his new best friend. The Brazilian, who completed a treble in the last two races aboard Raging Storm and Noble Steed, said: “Hot King Prawn is a lovely horse and today he gave me the feeling that he’s a star, so I’m really looking forward to what is next.” Aren’t we all, Joao, aren’t we all? ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 12:40pm
| At this stage I think Mr Stunning can turn the tables next time. |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 11:13am
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Well, a year later and here we go again. May have to crack something open soon, my nerves are wrecked!!! Fingers crossed for a top three performance ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |