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Topic: Global Cyber Attack
Posted By: Gay3
Subject: Global Cyber Attack
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 9:47am
I wonder if they've hit Racing & Sports Confused

Global cyberattack: Hospitals, telecommunications hit with ransomware

Updated

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-13/ambulance-police-nhs-cyber-attack/8523128" rel="nofollow"> An ambulance waits next to a police car. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-13/ambulance-police-nhs-cyber-attack/8523128" rel="nofollow - Photo: Ambulance and police vehicles wait outside a central London hospital after the cyberattack. - (Reuters: Stefan Wermuth)

A huge extortion cyberattack has hit dozens of nations, holding computer data for ransom at hospitals, telecommunications firms and other companies.

The attack appeared to exploit a vulnerability purportedly identified for use by the US National Security Agency and later leaked to the internet.

The attack hit Britain's health service, forcing affected hospitals to close wards and emergency rooms. Related attacks were reported in Spain, Portugal and Russia.

Two security firms, Kaspersky Lab and Avast, said they had identified the malware behind the attack in upward of 70 countries, although both said the attack had hit Russia hardest.

The Russian Interior Ministry has confirmed it was hit by the "ransomware" attack, which encrypts data on infected computers and demands payment, usually via the digital currency bitcoin, to release it.

Britain's health service was also hit hard as the attack froze computers at hospitals across the country, shutting down wards, closing emergency rooms and bringing medical treatments to a halt.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-13/britain-hospital-hack-ransom/8523124" rel="nofollow"> A ransom message on a UK NHS computer. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-13/britain-hospital-hack-ransom/8523124" rel="nofollow - Photo: Hospitals around the UK experienced major IT issues after the cyberattack, which involved ransom demands. - (@fendifille via AP)

Hospitals in London, northwest England and other parts of the country reported problems and asked patients not to come to hospitals unless it was an emergency.

Many cancelled all routine procedures and some chemotherapy patients were even sent home because their records could not be accessed.

Most of the affected hospitals were in England, but several facilities in Scotland also reported being hit. Doctors' practices and pharmacies reported similar problems.

Expert believes attack was not targeted

As similar widespread ransomware attacks were reported in Spain, Romania and elsewhere, experts warned online extortion attempts by hackers are a growing menace.

Hospitals, with their often outdated IT systems and trove of confidential patient data, are a particularly tempting target.

British Prime Minister Theresa May said there was no evidence that patient data had been compromised in the attack, and that it had not specifically targeted the National Health Service (NHS).

"It's an international attack and a number of countries and organisations have been affected," she said.

NHS Digital, which oversees hospital cybersecurity, said the attack was affecting organisations from across a range of sectors." It initially said 16 NHS organisations had reported being hit, and more reports came in as the day went on.

NHS Digital said the attack used the Wanna Decryptor variant of malware, which infects and locks computers while the attackers demand a ransom.

Pictures posted on social media showed screens of NHS computers with images demanding payment of $300 worth of the online currency Bitcoin, saying: "Ooops, your files have been encrypted!

Alan Woodward, visiting professor of computing at the University of Surrey, said there was evidence the ransomware was spreading using a Microsoft flaw exposed in a US security leak.

He said the affected computers likely had not applied the Microsoft patch or were running old operating systems for which no patch was available.

"I don't believe it will have been a targeted attack, but will simply have been that the ransomware has sought out those organisations that are running susceptible devices," Mr Woodward said.

Spain also hit by 'massive infection'

Spain, meanwhile, activated a special protocol to protect critical infrastructure in response to the "massive infection" of personal and corporate computers in ransomware attacks.

The National Centre for the Protection of Critical Infrastructure said it was communicating with more than 100 providers of energy, transportation, telecommunications and financial services about the attack.

The Spanish government said several companies had been targeted in ransomware cyberattack that affected the Windows operating system of employees' computers.

It said the attacks were carried out with a version of WannaCry ransomware that encrypted files and prompted a demand for money transfers to free up the system.

Spain's Telefonica was among the companies hit.

Britain's National Cyber Security Centre, part of the GCHQ electronic intelligence agency, said it was working with police and the health system to investigate the attack.

British government officials and intelligence chiefs have repeatedly highlighted the threat to critical infrastructure and the economy from cyberattacks.

The National Cyber Security Centre said it had detected 188 "high-level" attacks in just three months.

AP/Reuters



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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 10:15am
Your on the ball Gay3..        R&S are down .             Your not a spy out of control are you.
 
      I think they started slipping when they rated that slow horse Frankfurt ( or similar ) World No 1 .
 
  Winx would carry him & win.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 10:18am
It would be hard to tell whether R&S was down from a cyber attack or it's just their usual regular crashes and outages

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 7:48pm

Russian-linked cyber gang blamed for NHS computer hack using bug stolen from US spy agency 

       

Acyber gang with possible links to Russia is being blamed for the extraordinary worldwide computer security breach - possibly in retaliation for US airstrikes on Syria.

The mysterious organisation - called Shadow Brokers - claimed in April it had stolen a ‘cyber weapon’ from an American spying agency that gives unprecedented access to all computers using Microsoft Windows, the world’s most popular computer operating system.

The hacking tool had been developed by the National Security Agency (NSA), America’s powerful military intelligence unit. The NSA had developed its ‘Eternal Blue’ hacking weapon to gain access to computers used by terrorists and enemy states.

The gang in turn ‘dumped’ the computer bug on an obscure website on April 14, just a week after President Donald Trump ordered the US bombing of Syria.

Some experts believe that timing is significant and indicates that Shadow Brokers has links to the Russian government.

In an internet posting, six days earlier on April 8 - and a day after the first airstrikes - Shadow Brokers appeared to issue a warning to President Trump.

In a statement, the group said in broken English: “Respectfully, what the f*** are you doing? The Shadow Brokers voted for you. The Shadow Brokers supports you. The Shadow Brokers is losing faith in you. Mr Trump helping the Shadow Brokers, helping you. Is appearing you are abandoning ‘your base’, ‘the movement’, and the peoples who getting you elected.”

It is believed ‘Eternal Blue’, having been dumped by Shadow Brokers, was then picked up by a separate crime gang which used it to gain remote access to computers, including systems that brought parts of the NHS to a standstill. 

The gang, having gained access to computers, then deployed a second software programme - using ransomware called WanaCrypt or WannaCry - which hijacks a computing system and encrypts all the files contained on it. 

The only way to unlock the files is to pay a ransom. 

In this case, the gang is demanding $300 for each computer it unlocks - paid in ‘bitcoins’, a virtual currency used on the internet.

One computer security expert said ‘Eternal Blue’ was used as the ‘crowbar’ that effectively opened the doors to computers, making them vulnerable to attack. The results have been devastating.

Sean Sullivan, security adviser to F-Secure, a cyber security company, said: “Shadow Brokers obtained the NSA tools that exposed a vulnerability in Microsoft’s operating systems. They dumped the instructions detailing how to get in. The exploit is the ‘crowbar’ to open the door and the ransomware is the ‘hand grenade’ you lob in once the door is open.”

It is thought the NSA warned Microsoft its hacking tool had been stolen earlier this year, prompting Microsoft to develop a ‘patch’ - or fix - in March allowing computer users to update their systems and protect them from cyber attack. But operating systems older than 2009 are not though to have been protected. This may have made the NHS more vulnerable because of outdated systems in some hospitals and GP surgeries due to lack of IT investment.

Graham Cluley, a computer security expert, said: “Microsoft developed the patch after an exploit was taken from US intelligence. The US intelligence agency found a security hole in Microsoft software and rather than doing the decent thing and contacting Microsoft they kept it to themselves and exploited it for the purposes of spying. Then they themselves got hacked. And it was at that point Microsoft thought, ‘Jesus we need to patch against this thing’” 

“It’s likely that regular online criminals simply used the information that the Shadow Brokers put on the internet and thought ‘how can we monetise this’.”

Nobody knows who is behind Shadow Brokers but in a statement issued to  a specialist technology website in December, the gang said: “The Shadow Brokers is not being irresponsible criminals. The Shadow Brokers is opportunists. The Shadow Brokers is giving ‘responsible parties’ opportunity to making things right.”

Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower now living in exile in Russia, claimed last year that Shadow Brokers was backed by the Kremlin following another leak. Snowden tweeted that “circumstantial evidence and conventional wisdom indicates Russian responsibility”.

Official advice from Spain’s emergency computer response service yesterday appeared to confirm that the ransomware attacks stemmed from the Eternal Blue tool, when it urged organisations to download a Microsoft update that protects against it.

Cyber security experts told The Telegraph the ransomware was being quickly spread by a wave of “phishing” emails carrying bogus attachments that infected computers when unsuspecting users clicked on them.

The scam emails lured victims into opening infected files posing as invoices, job offers, or even clinical test results.

By Friday night, the ruse appeared to be paying off handsomely. 

Adam Meyers, vice president of intelligence at the cyber firm CrowdStrike, said thousands of dollars had been tracked rolling into internet accounts set to up to receive the ransom payments.

However official government advice on both sides of the Atlantic is not to pay criminals behind such attacks.

Mr Meyers said: “We advise people not to pay, because if people do pay, it emboldens these criminal actors.”

He instead urged organisations to make sure they had backed up their data and installed the latest software updates and security. Employees in the NHS also had to be warned how to spot the suspect emails.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/russian-linked-cyber-gang-shadow-brokers-blamed-nhs-computer/" rel="nofollow - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/russian-linked-cyber-gang-shadow-brokers-blamed-nhs-computer/



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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 8:39pm
What's the worst thing, security wise, that has ever happened to you on a computer? How did it happen? 

I've got nothing so far. I got a strange charge on my Visa card once from a German company which my bank refunded but that was years before I even owned a computer.




Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 9:06pm
Worst thing that's ever happened to me was getting some virus that automatically changed my browser homepage to some porn site so whenever anyone opened it they'd be confronted with a close up of some bird getting jammed in the arse. Awkward to explain to anyone else needing to use the computer.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It would be hard to tell whether R&S was down from a cyber attack or it's just their usual regular crashes and outages


Hey, don' talk too soon, it may well be us next LOL God forbid, tho' we've weathered it before so are well used to it Wink


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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 10:08pm
I've lost everything x 2 many years ago, the last when OH decided to open a bloody film star attachment in my email Angry He's since been gifted his own to wreck LOL
NBN leaving me cyberless for a week was the latest 'trauma' Wink but TBV survived with thanks to PT filling in the gaps!


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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 2:09am
Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Worst thing that's ever happened to me was getting some virus that automatically changed my browser homepage to some porn site so whenever anyone opened it they'd be confronted with a close up of some bird getting jammed in the arse. Awkward to explain to anyone else needing to use the computer.
 
Might be the lamest excuse I have ever heard!!


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 9:55am
I already use this mob & I know it's an ad. but it explains the process better than media articles Smile

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 2:05pm
Makes you wonder how slack they are at all these hospitals, companies etc because my understanding is that basic, kindergarten level security awareness will keep you free of ransomware.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 2:45pm
From what I have read of this, the attack was on Windows systems generally but most anti virus companies have stopped putting out updates and patches for Windows 98 and NT systems leaving them vulnerable to this. Apparently a lot of hospitals and govt institutions particularly in Britain still use NT

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 4:40pm
No Windows updates, no firewall, no backup, no antivirus.Disapprove


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 15 May 2017 at 7:50pm
So many super slack IT managers, if we can call them that. Sack the lot of them.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2017 at 10:07pm
How come the companys get hit if it's so easy tp prevent or does prevention come after the hits?


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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2017 at 10:43pm
As I understand it Gay the comp[anies that got hit had not updated their OS and virus protection to the latest versions.

Apparently (apart from slackness) the reason can be they did not want to update until they had tested the effect on all their systems and in some cases an inadequatel IT staff meant they simply had not got round to doing this


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 11:08am

House panel asks agencies for docs from Russian cyber firm

BY  http://thehill.com/author/morgan-chalfant" rel="nofollow - MORGAN CHALFANT  - 07/28/17 04:46 PM EDT

A House panel has asked nearly two dozen government agencies for documents on Russian-origin cybersecurity firm Kaspersky Lab.

The House Science, Space and Technology Committee made the request to 22 different government agencies in  https://science.house.gov/sites/republicans.science.house.gov/files/documents/072717%20Smith-Agencies%20-%20Kaspersky.pdf" rel="nofollow - letters  that were released by the committee on Friday.

House Science Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) wrote in the letters, sent Thursday, of concern that the cybersecurity firm’s products could be used to conduct "espionage" or “nefarious activities against the United States.”

Kaspersky Lab, which has headquarters in Moscow but operates around the world, including in the United States, has fallen under increased scrutiny over alleged ties to Russian intelligence.

While the U.S. government has produced no public evidence showing the company to be somehow compromised by the Russian government, intelligence officials have nevertheless expressed concerns over its products. 

The issue was pushed to the forefront during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing in May, when six top U.S. intelligence officials testified that they would not be comfortable with Kaspersky Lab software on their computers.

The committee has requested documents and communications about Kaspersky products dating back to the start of 2013. The letters also ask for lists of systems that use Kaspersky products or services and government contractors or subcontractors that use them. 

Smith wrote in the letters that “the committee is concerned that Kaspersky Lab is susceptible to manipulation by the Russian government, and that its products could be used as a tool for espionage, sabotage, or other nefarious activities against the United States.” 

The letters were sent to the departments of Commerce, Homeland Security, Energy and State, as well as the Pentagon and the individual service branches, in addition to several other agencies. Smith is requesting the information by Aug. 11. 

Smith couched the request as “part of an ongoing review of the federal government’s cybersecurity policies and standards.” 

The company has long described the suspicions of ties to the Russian government as baseless. Kaspersky’s anti-virus software is widely lauded in cybersecurity circles, and the company boasts 400 million users worldwide. 

“Kaspersky Lab has no ties to any government, and the company has never helped, nor will help, any government in the world with its cyberespionage efforts,” the company said in an emailed statement to The Hill on Friday.

“The company has a 20 year history in the IT security industry of always abiding by the highest ethical business practices and trustworthy development of technologies, and Kaspersky Lab believes it is completely unacceptable that the company is being unjustly accused without any hard evidence to back up these false allegations,” Kaspersky said. 

The issue has been amplified by the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia sought to interfere in the 2016 presidential election using cyberattacks and disinformation. In June, Senate lawmakers with oversight of the Defense Department  http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/340758-lawmakers-sound-alarm-about-russian-cybersecurity-firm" rel="nofollow - inserted  language into a fiscal 2018 defense policy bill that would bar the Pentagon from using Kaspersky software.

This month, the General Services Administration  http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/341665-trump-admin-removes-russian-cyber-firm-from-approved-list" rel="nofollow - removed  Kaspersky-manufactured products from a list of outside products approved for use by government agencies. 

The developments have frustrated the company’s founder, Eugene Kaspersky. “With the U.S. and Russia at odds, somehow, my company, its innovative and proven products as well as our amazing employees are repeatedly being defamed,” he wrote in a June blog post. 

The company’s North America division is separate from the headquarters in Russia. 

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/344392-house-panel-asks-agencies-for-kaspersky-documents" rel="nofollow - http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/344392-house-panel-asks-agencies-for-kaspersky-documents



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 11:32am
I'm sure no company has ever assisted the US in cyber-espionage activities, either. I'm starting to think Putin is right when he talks about arrogant American exceptionalism. You'd be amazed if any intelligence apparatus wasn't into finding out all it could about anything that could affect the national interest. They'd be failing in their job to do otherwise.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 11:37am
Kaspersky are rolling out a free version with no ads at the moment. I used their premium product for a year- got it for a couple of bucks- and it didn't find one virus. But that's not unusual- none of the anti viruses I use ever find a virus. How do you get one of these viruses people are always fretting over?


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 11:41am
My anti-virus periodically declares DynamicOdds an infection, and I have to go in and take it off the naughty list, or it won't open the site.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 1:18pm
Kaspersky entered a five-year program with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Cryptography,_Telecommunications_and_Computer_Science" rel="nofollow - The Technical Faculty of the KGB Higher School , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-eleven-16" rel="nofollow - [15]  which prepared intelligence officers for the Russian military and KGB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-six-7" rel="nofollow - [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-four-8" rel="nofollow - [8]  He graduated in 1987 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-eleven-16" rel="nofollow - [15]  with a degree in mathematical engineering and computer technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-seven-4" rel="nofollow - [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-four-8" rel="nofollow - [8]  After graduating college, Kaspersky served the Soviet military intelligence service  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-twentyone-6" rel="nofollow - [6]  as a software engineer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-twenty-2" rel="nofollow - [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-five-10" rel="nofollow - [10]  He met his first wife  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalya_Kaspersky" rel="nofollow - Natalya Kaspersky  at Severskoye, a KGB vacation resort, in 1987. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Kaspersky#cite_note-twenty-2" rel="nofollow - [2]


https://twitter.com/Kasparov63" rel="nofollow - "There is no such thing as a former KGB man."—Vladimir Putin


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 1:36pm
Espionage seems to be one thing they do spectacularly well. They'd have gone under in 1941 without some stellar work in that area.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 1:48pm
If you watch some of the discussions at the Aspen Security Conference last week with every top Agency official present and most recent speaking, cyber is the warfare threat of the future and the Russians are well in front of the game at the moment

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 9:29am

Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

The breach, considered the most serious in years, could enable Russia to evade NSA surveillance and more easily infiltrate U.S. networks


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WASHINGTON—Hackers working for the Russian government stole details of how the U.S. penetrates foreign computer networks and defends against cyberattacks after a National Security Agency contractor removed the highly classified material and put it on his home computer, according to multiple people with knowledge of the matter.

The hackers appear to have targeted the contractor after identifying the files through the contractor’s use of a popular antivirus software made by Russia-based Kaspersky Lab, these people said.

The theft, which hasn’t been disclosed, is considered by experts to be one of the most significant security breaches in recent years. It offers a rare glimpse into how the intelligence community thinks Russian intelligence exploits a widely available commercial software product to spy on the U.S.

The incident occurred in 2015 but wasn’t discovered until spring of last year, said the people familiar with the matter.

The stolen material included details about how the NSA penetrates foreign computer networks, the computer code it uses for such spying and how it defends networks inside the U.S., these people said.

Having such information could give the Russian government information on how to protect its own networks, making it more difficult for the NSA to conduct its work. It also could give the Russians methods to infiltrate the networks of the U.S. and other nations, these people said.

The breach is the first known incident in which Kaspersky software is believed to have been exploited by Russian hackers to conduct espionage against the U.S. government. The company, which sells its antivirus products in the U.S., had revenue of more than half a billion dollars in Western Europe and the Americas in 2016, according to International Data Corp. By Kaspersky’s own account it has more than 400 million users world-wide.

The revelation comes as concern over Russian infiltration of Ameri more......

http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-hackers-stole-nsa-data-on-u-s-cyber-defense-1507222108?tesla=y&mod=e2tw" rel="nofollow - http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-hackers-stole-nsa-data-on-u-s-cyber-defense-1507222108?tesla=y&mod=e2tw



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 11:47am
That's outrageous, someone hacked someone's details, of how that someone else, hacks other people's details ? It isn't a game everyone is "allowed" to play, apparently, but they play anyway.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 11:49am
so the story is the NSA idiot who massively breached security putting a highly classified file on his home computer.

hey PT...remember home computers are fair game in global spying.

umm...any reports of usa spying and hacking russian systems?? Of course not. we dont hear about them. it must not happen....



Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 11:52am
Well, it does seem to be a case of the American "exceptionalism" we hear about. Which translates roughly as "don't do as I do, do as I say ".


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 11:59am
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Well, it does seem to be a case of the American "exceptionalism" we hear about. Which translates roughly as "don't do as I do, do as I say ".


Exactly. countries spy on each other and they all accept that notion. Except when they are breached and look like idiots. they cry for 5 mins and move on.

what the russians have done is actually....what their spies are supposed to do. who knew...

PT is trying to paint a picture that a russian spy can only take pics of us officials at a restaurant. anything further than that is "evil russian spies anout to kill us"

Its just PT playing around with a pet project of his....its his lego blocks.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:04pm
Just letting you know that your mates in the Kremlin, the ones you continually apologise for when bagging your own country, are doing it better than anyone else, but just keep your head where it is and go la, la la and pretend it really isn't happening. 

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:07pm
The Russians are not much chop at a lot of things, but they have long excelled in espionage. Whether they are nowadays "doing it better than anyone else" is unverifiable, so far as I can see.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Just letting you know that your mates in the Kremlin, the ones you continually apologise for when bagging your own country, are doing it better than anyone else, but just keep your head where it is and go la, la la and pretend it really isn't happening. 


no one bags australia more than someone who cant stop spewing hatred towards white males and christians. what percentage of oz have you regarded as dog sh*t in those vile sweeping comments PT?

you admit russians are doing it better than us. time we lift our game then. is that your point?

Im not pretending nothing is happening. did you skip past "all countries spies on esch other" .

post some links to usa spying and hacking the russians. or will you say it hasnt happened?


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:26pm
It is all about who does it whom, and who you would rather be governed by.

By your bizarre reasoning, ISIS is justified in what they do, that if we drop bombs on the Middle East for whatever reason they are justified in doing it here.




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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

It is all about who does it whom, and who you would rather be governed by.

By your bizarre reasoning, ISIS is justified in what they do, that if we drop bombs on the Middle East for whatever reason they are justified in doing it here.




all countries accept the whole spying caper.

pathetic false equivalence. even by your follish conflated, confected & deflected standard.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:34pm
So everyone that spies on the USA should cease and desist, but the USA should be allowed to carry on regardless. It is laughable, as is the stuff about Russian interference in the US election, when any fool knows the US has been interfering in the internal politics of other countries for many years, and to the extent of financing coups and the like, frequently installing repressive regimes.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:34pm
Oh deary me, are you outraged? 

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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:35pm
i'l sum up your pathetic ridicularity like this.

russia were spying on the usa under obama. and you didnt give one fcuk.

the end.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

So everyone that spies on the USA should cease and desist, but the USA should be allowed to carry on regardless. It is laughable, as is the stuff about Russian interference in the US election, when any fool knows the US has been interfering in the internal politics of other countries for many years, and to the extent of financing coups and the like, frequently installing repressive regimes.

Should we just submit and let them have a turn at running the world?

Sorry, I am happy with the way it is now. 


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:41pm
You are sounding like a white, privileged hegemonist, PT. I think any spying by Russia would have little to do with ambitions to run the world, and more to do with preserving their present stake in it.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You are sounding like a white, privileged hegemonist, PT. I think any spying by Russia would have little to do with ambitions to run the world, and more to do with preserving their present stake in it.


he has boasted about his white privelegw under the usa running the world mantra whilst mercilessly obliterating other countries who even look like they might undermine a smidgen of usa power.

all the while pt kicks the tripe out of any other white bastard who might be enjoying the same life. they are priveleged, pt is not.

cult ratbags.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:47pm
Which is why they have taken over control of the Syrian war, done defense/arms deals with Turkey and Saudi Arabia(both US allies) this week?

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:51pm
Who is doing all this....and why?


http://itspmagazine.com/from-the-newsroom/keep-calm-and-here-is-a-list-of-alarming-cybersecurity-statistics" rel="nofollow - http://itspmagazine.com/from-the-newsroom/keep-calm-and-here-is-a-list-of-alarming-cybersecurity-statistics


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:53pm
The Red Scare, on reflection, to anyone who lived through the period, appears largely a beat-up. Certainly the USSR was a far more potent adversary than present day Russia, in terms of any expansionism it may attempt. It remains a deadly threat to anyone who would encroach on its present territorial integrity, but beyond that, no. And especially as Russia today is not the base of a threatening (anti-capitalist) ideology.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Which is why they have taken over control of the Syrian war, done defense/arms deals with Turkey and Saudi Arabia(both US allies) this week?


you can sleep with the lights on waiting for the russians to blow you up. and of course checking uder your bed before ni nights.

im much more fearful of islamic terrorism. after all, the agencies you put so much trust and respect in to keep us safe...have said they cant keep us safe. a terrorist attack will happen in sydney and they wont be able to stop it.

you with me?







Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:55pm
PT may be channelling B A Santamaria !


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:59pm
he is off his chops today ol pt.

but im sure you get what his underlying point is here...its not vlad and russia. its a way of crucifying trump.

he doesnt hide his idiotic agendas too well.

as i said...where was pt's deep seated, shat your pants fear of russian spies when obama was president. there wasnt any. tells you everything



Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:00pm
I know you are only trolling, because that is what you do. Wink

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:06pm
Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I know you are only trolling, because that is what you do. Wink


Ok i was trolling. i retract and correct --

every country has spies and spies on each other. but russia should never be included because to allow them to join in means the world will end.

there ya go. All good 👍


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.

What does that have to do with Russian hacking?Confused


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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:15pm
Not only hacking and cyber attacks but investment in “troll farms”. Never even heard of that term until just recently.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=" rel="nofollow - https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.


What does that have to do with Russian hacking?Confused

Russian hacking is an intrusion into the security apparatus of another sovereign nation, American intrusion into the affairs of sovereign nations is on a far greater scale. Such that the murder of "nuisances" like Gaddafi can be publicly greeted with glee, and thought just normal business.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Which is why they have taken over control of the Syrian war, done defense/arms deals with Turkey and Saudi Arabia(both US allies) this week?

Whose example might they be following, do you think ?


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Horrid Hillary's gloating over the fate of Gaddafi, may well have educated some Americans about what they faced with her at the helm, but made no impression on PT apparently. No nation in the world has shown less respect for the national sovereignty of the smaller countries, than the US, though the British Empire may well have been the template. Such is hegemony, if another nation had occupied that space, it would have looked much the same.


What does that have to do with Russian hacking?Confused

Russian hacking is an intrusion into the security apparatus of another sovereign nation, American intrusion into the affairs of sovereign nations is on a far greater scale. Such that the murder of "nuisances" like Gaddafi can be publicly greeted with glee, and thought just normal business.


Their is better examples of usa destruction and overthrowing democratic elected govts. i asked pt why he approved of usa mass murdering latin american, democratic countries with SOCIALIST govts running them.

his reply?

"But we dont know what those countries would have turned out like" .

no white privelege, far right wing, war mongering rhetoric in that reply. nah none...

Hypocrite.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:25pm
No max, cyber warfare is the exploding threat to the world's financial, security, national security. 

Who hacked the Australian census last year and why?

You are ok with Russia doing it, but what about North Korea? They are fast becoming the best at it with many successful attacks on banks around the world and particularly cryptocurrencies.

If Nth Korea can be a threat to global systems, who can you exclude as a major threat?

A global arms race is on at the moment with not the size and capability of weapons systems being the critical factor, rather anti hacking of weapons systems. USA with all it's firepower is in danger of being crippled by a minor country with better hackers. 


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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:27pm
Whats the answer to all this pt?


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:29pm
Blame marxists

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:30pm
PT does appear to have his contradictions, as no doubt we all do. But US interference in foreign countries really has been, "exceptional". Other countries have been repressive and persecutory within their own borders, but putting the skids under democratically elected govts in small countries in Latin America e.g., is hard to gloss over. PT seems to have come to terms with it. I think it just loses the US any claims to moral priority.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT does appear to have his contradictions, as no doubt we all do. But US interference in foreign countries really has been, "exceptional". Other countries have been repressive and persecutory within their own borders, but putting the skids under democratically elected govts in small countries in Latin America e.g., is hard to gloss over. PT seems to have come to terms with it. I think it just loses the US any claims to moral priority.

Name one empire, colonial, or religious power that has not attained supremacy by not intervening, interfering or conquering. It comes down to who you want controlling your life and future.




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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

No max, cyber warfare is the exploding threat to the world's financial, security, national security. 

Who hacked the Australian census last year and why?

You are ok with Russia doing it, but what about North Korea? They are fast becoming the best at it with many successful attacks on banks around the world and particularly cryptocurrencies.

If Nth Korea can be a threat to global systems, who can you exclude as a major threat?

A global arms race is on at the moment with not the size and capability of weapons systems being the critical factor, rather anti hacking of weapons systems. USA with all it's firepower is in danger of being crippled by a minor country with better hackers. 

To the winner, the spoils. It just shows that humans are still organized principally along competitive battle-lines, of one kind or another, but still co-operative where it is in the mutual interest, as e.g., with trade. The game is fundamentally the same.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:37pm
I know cabo doesn't believe in evolution but it is survival of the fittest

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT does appear to have his contradictions, as no doubt we all do. But US interference in foreign countries really has been, "exceptional". Other countries have been repressive and persecutory within their own borders, but putting the skids under democratically elected govts in small countries in Latin America e.g., is hard to gloss over. PT seems to have come to terms with it. I think it just loses the US any claims to moral priority.


Name one empire, colonial, or religious power that has not attained supremacy by not intervening, interfering or conquering. It comes down to who you want controlling your life and future.



I think I answered that be saying if the same space was occupied by another power, it would look much the same ( to an objective observer anyway, I don't claim to be that objective !). You and I prefer the Anglo hegemony because we are white Anglos ! It is not because we/they are "good guys"


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT does appear to have his contradictions, as no doubt we all do. But US interference in foreign countries really has been, "exceptional". Other countries have been repressive and persecutory within their own borders, but putting the skids under democratically elected govts in small countries in Latin America e.g., is hard to gloss over. PT seems to have come to terms with it. I think it just loses the US any claims to moral priority.


Name one empire, colonial, or religious power that has not attained supremacy by not intervening, interfering or conquering. It comes down to who you want controlling your life and future.




then put your ideology and thoughts to the test -- go and find a family in chile who have had relatives slaughtered by usa backed rebels and tell them it was all worth it because that intervention and murder gave you a life of western comfort.

you sad nut.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:54pm
Chile one of a great many. The interference in Iran in the 50's is still playing out in downstream effects. The USA basically took over the British role after WW2. Despite being critical of British colonialism, it took after it, but in a less "boots on the ground" direct fashion, in most cases.


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:55pm
PT's arguments on this thread remind me of my friend's female dog who viciously chased her own tail until she chewed it off.
He then wants to blame others for the self inflicted injury.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT does appear to have his contradictions, as no doubt we all do. But US interference in foreign countries really has been, "exceptional". Other countries have been repressive and persecutory within their own borders, but putting the skids under democratically elected govts in small countries in Latin America e.g., is hard to gloss over. PT seems to have come to terms with it. I think it just loses the US any claims to moral priority.


Name one empire, colonial, or religious power that has not attained supremacy by not intervening, interfering or conquering. It comes down to who you want controlling your life and future.



I think I answered that be saying if the same space was occupied by another power, it would look much the same ( to an objective observer anyway, I don't claim to be that objective !). You and I prefer the Anglo hegemony because we are white Anglos ! It is not because we/they are "good guys"

Exactly my point

 


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:05pm
I am far from being a computer geek, but does the US not have an advantage in that US firms supply the operating systems for most computers ? Are there secrets in there, only known to the originators of that code ? If so, the US govt would be most likely to have access.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

You and I prefer the Anglo hegemony because we are white Anglos ! It is not because we/they are "good guys"

Exactly my point][/QUOTE]
I think you might be exaggerating the risks, the Russians are not likely acting with a view to becoming a threat, as much as protecting themselves from a threat, of further diminution of their position in the world.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I am far from being a computer geek, but does the US not have an advantage in that US firms supply the operating systems for most computers ? Are there secrets in there, only known to the originators of that code ? If so, the US govt would be most likely to have access.

They are the biggest producers of operating systems and therefore the biggest targets for hackers. Codes are not proving to be hack proof no matter how sophisticated. Small players and individuals are bringing down the biggest systems For example the recent hack of the British health system was allegedly done by Nth Koreans The problem isn't the fact they got in and may have compromised patient records but they exposed vulnerabilities. That they also got peoples records and may attack them personally is the secondary issue.  


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

You and I prefer the Anglo hegemony because we are white Anglos ! It is not because we/they are "good guys"

Exactly my point]

I think you might be exaggerating the risks, the Russians are not likely acting with a view to becoming a threat, as much as protecting themselves from a threat, of further diminution of their position in the world.[/QUOTE]

Then why attack elections all over the world? They are trying to destabilize and create chaos. Not sure it is just how they get their kicks


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:21pm
"we don't know that", PT.


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:23pm
NK attack on British systems is all part of retaliation for defection by their UK deputy ambassador.
 
Part of the NK rant on the defector -
 
North Korea is known to have infiltrated agents into the South while state media has described Mr Thae as "human scum" and accused him of embezzling state funds, leaking state secrets, accepting bribes and raping a child.
 
NK embassy staff also attacked a UK hairdresser for using crazy Kim's photo in advertising with the slogan "Having a bad hair day?" LOL


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I am far from being a computer geek, but does the US not have an advantage in that US firms supply the operating systems for most computers ? Are there secrets in there, only known to the originators of that code ? If so, the US govt would be most likely to have access.


They are the biggest producers of operating systems and therefore the biggest targets for hackers. Codes are not proving to be hack proof no matter how sophisticated. Small players and individuals are bringing down the biggest systems For example the recent hack of the British health system was allegedly done by Nth Koreans The problem isn't the fact they got in and may have compromised patient records but they exposed vulnerabilities. That they also got peoples records and may attack them personally is the secondary issue.  

I don't know whether, "in principle" there are unhackable systems. Is there no water-tight encryption ? Or are these different things ?


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:33pm
Did you click on the link I posted earlier?

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:39pm
Nth Korea's activities may be more about retalliation for sanctions I think. Their foreign minister cryptically threatened the US last week with his announcement of a commission to calculate the monetary value of sanctions placed on them. I think there will be more attacks on cryptocurrencies, as has been their targets recently to recover what they think they are owed. He did direct the threat directly at Trump, which seemed strange. They are also credited of stealing $90m odd from Bangladeshi banks earlier this year 

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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Who is doing all this....and why?


http://itspmagazine.com/from-the-newsroom/keep-calm-and-here-is-a-list-of-alarming-cybersecurity-statistics" rel="nofollow - http://itspmagazine.com/from-the-newsroom/keep-calm-and-here-is-a-list-of-alarming-cybersecurity-statistics


Crikey!!!!! I've been either lucky so far or my Bit Defender is doing as good a job as it says Big smile


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Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Who is doing all this....and why?


http://itspmagazine.com/from-the-newsroom/keep-calm-and-here-is-a-list-of-alarming-cybersecurity-statistics" rel="nofollow - http://itspmagazine.com/from-the-newsroom/keep-calm-and-here-is-a-list-of-alarming-cybersecurity-statistics


Crikey!!!!! I've been either lucky so far or my Bit Defender is doing as good a job as it says Big smile

It is a matter of when, not if 


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:44pm
Why was the dufus working on super secret NSA stuff at home on a computer connected to the internet?


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Did you click on the link I posted earlier?

It does not answer those questions, though, I guess the question is whether the systems have been designed with enough emphasis on security. Or made in such a way that they can be breached, for whatever reason.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Did you click on the link I posted earlier?

It does not answer those questions, though, I guess the question is whether the systems have been designed with enough emphasis on security. Or made in such a way that they can be breached, for whatever reason.

Pretty sure they are trying to make stuff hack proof, but obviously on the facts and sheer numbers, they haven't found the key yet.

Return to simpler systems might be an option. Criminals go low tech to avoid detection or surveillance Maybe securing national and business security may have to involve similar unless a leap can be made to secure systems. I believe some companies use older operating systems for this reason


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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I know cabo doesn't believe in evolution but it is survival of the fittest


what are the boundaries of your survival of the fittest advocacy?

i mean, for example im wondering if it applies to indigenous australia/ indigenous anywhere?

enlighten us....



Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Why was the dufus working on super secret NSA stuff at home on a computer connected to the internet?



While Kaspersky is one major—though possibly unintentional—culprit in this latest theft of secrets, the root cause of the breach is the deep negligence of the NSA employee who violated his security clearance by taking incredibly sensitive materials home.


https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/" rel="nofollow - https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/




Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I know cabo doesn't believe in evolution but it is survival of the fittest


what are the boundaries of your survival of the fittest advocacy?

i mean, for example im wondering if it applies to indigenous australia/ indigenous anywhere?

enlighten us....


Do you have any awareness of history at all? It isn't television, it is barbaric and brutal and those at the top of the pile have the bloodiest hands.




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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:16pm
Most if not all of the big hacks seem to be caused by abject stupidity not by fiendish masterminds.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Why was the dufus working on super secret NSA stuff at home on a computer connected to the internet?



While Kaspersky is one major—though possibly unintentional—culprit in this latest theft of secrets, the root cause of the breach is the deep negligence of the NSA employee who violated his security clearance by taking incredibly sensitive materials home.


https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/" rel="nofollow - https://www.wired.com/story/nsa-contractors-hacking-tools/



If that is what actually happened, and it wasn't part of an intentional misinformation ploy.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I know cabo doesn't believe in evolution but it is survival of the fittest


what are the boundaries of your survival of the fittest advocacy?

i mean, for example im wondering if it applies to indigenous australia/ indigenous anywhere?

enlighten us....



Do you have any awareness of history at all? It isn't television, it is barbaric and brutal and those at the top of the pile have the bloodiest hands.




yes i do. it doesnt mean i find comfort in it like you do, picking winners and losers and basking in the fortune of being on the right side.

careful PT...by putting so much stock in evolution, survival of the fittest & world history....you make the cae that white supremacy is our greatest gift.







Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I know cabo doesn't believe in evolution but it is survival of the fittest


what are the boundaries of your survival of the fittest advocacy?

i mean, for example im wondering if it applies to indigenous australia/ indigenous anywhere?

enlighten us....



Do you have any awareness of history at all? It isn't television, it is barbaric and brutal and those at the top of the pile have the bloodiest hands.




yes i do. it doesnt mean i find comfort in it like you do, picking winners and losers and basking in the fortune of being on the right side.

careful PT...by putting so much stock in evolution, survival of the fittest & world history....you make the cae that white supremacy is our greatest gift.






By living the life you do in the country you do, you have chosen your winner.






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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:36pm
You don't expect him to move to Russia, do you, PT ? I hear Russian is a very difficult language to learn.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:51pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I know cabo doesn't believe in evolution but it is survival of the fittest


what are the boundaries of your survival of the fittest advocacy?

i mean, for example im wondering if it applies to indigenous australia/ indigenous anywhere?

enlighten us....



Do you have any awareness of history at all? It isn't television, it is barbaric and brutal and those at the top of the pile have the bloodiest hands.




yes i do. it doesnt mean i find comfort in it like you do, picking winners and losers and basking in the fortune of being on the right side.

careful PT...by putting so much stock in evolution, survival of the fittest & world history....you make the cae that white supremacy is our greatest gift.







By living the life you do in the country you do, you have chosen your winner.






LOL. i didnt chose sh*t you imbecile. i happened to be born in a womb and came out in australia.

i'l remind you on australia day to make sure you put the indigenous activists in their place --- by telling them "its history, its evolution, its survival of the fittest now st fu "


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:00pm
PT has some internal contradictions, as we all do. A condition of being alive.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


PT's arguments on this thread remind me of my friend's female dog who viciously chased her own tail until she chewed it off.
He then wants to blame others for the self inflicted injury.


note how his love and devotion of usa foreign policy stops the moment they interfere with his brothers in the middle east...

funny that....


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


PT's arguments on this thread remind me of my friend's female dog who viciously chased her own tail until she chewed it off.
He then wants to blame others for the self inflicted injury.


note how his love and devotion of usa foreign policy stops the moment they interfere with his brothers in the middle east...

funny that....

You should thank your stars(or Gods) that you live in a country that lets you spew hate at it so much I don't think your beloved Vlad would let you get away with despising mother Russia if you lived there.


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT has some internal contradictions, as we all do. A condition of being alive.

Life is a series of contradictions, compromises and contracts to get by best you can with your conscience intact.

 


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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:17pm
I do.

but i dont make a compelling case to say this is just the way of the world and if you happen to be on the wrong side and had relatives killed for someones else's greed and power ....bad luck. you should have just chosen australia to be born.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT has some internal contradictions, as we all do. A condition of being alive.


Life is a series of contradictions, compromises and contracts to get by best you can with your conscience intact.

 

I have resolved it thus.......as the unavoidable tug-of-war between wilful self-interest, and the impulse of selfless love. An under-emphasis on the former, can make for a very difficult life, but an under-emphasis on the latter, will be judged, eternally. Believe it, or not.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT has some internal contradictions, as we all do. A condition of being alive.


Life is a series of contradictions, compromises and contracts to get by best you can with your conscience intact.

 

I have resolved it thus.......as the unavoidable tug-of-war between wilful self-interest, and the impulse of selfless love. An under-emphasis on the former, can make for a very difficult life, but an under-emphasis on the latter, will be judged, eternally. Believe it, or not.


like i asked....what are the boundsries on using evolution, history, winners, losers??

is racism simply a fact of life since its been around since day dot?


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

I do.

but i dont make a compelling case to say this is just the way of the world and if you happen to be on the wrong side and had relatives killed for someones else's greed and power ....bad luck. you should have just chosen australia to be born.

Do you support us imprisoning of innocent people on tropical islands where they despair so much they suicide, or drop bombs on people who have done us no wrong? What would the real Jesus say about that ? You seem happy to accept that as part of the deal, living here.


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:33pm
Racism is part of the suite of survival, despite us knowing deep down that it is largely a false distinction. I am not a geneticist, but it would not surprise me if there are people nominally within the same race, who are less close to each other in genes, than to others of a different nominal race. A lot of the hostility that is attributed to race, is more culturally based, than genetically.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

I do.

but i dont make a compelling case to say this is just the way of the world and if you happen to be on the wrong side and had relatives killed for someones else's greed and power ....bad luck. you should have just chosen australia to be born.


Do you support us imprisoning of innocent people on tropical islands where they despair so much they suicide, or drop bombs on people who have done us no wrong? What would the real Jesus say about that ? You seem happy to accept that as part of the deal, living here.


no i dont support any abuse, if /when its happening anywhere to innocent people. You have just spent hours saying you do...for much more gruesome crimes. you even lowered yourself to call these mass million murder crimes "missteps"

So dont turn it all around on a dime and fake your moral outrage by asking what i think. you need to come to terms with your own moral compass.

im fine


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

PT has some internal contradictions, as we all do. A condition of being alive.


Life is a series of contradictions, compromises and contracts to get by best you can with your conscience intact.

 

I have resolved it thus.......as the unavoidable tug-of-war between wilful self-interest, and the impulse of selfless love. An under-emphasis on the former, can make for a very difficult life, but an under-emphasis on the latter, will be judged, eternally. Believe it, or not.


like i asked....what are the boundsries on using evolution, history, winners, losers??

is racism simply a fact of life since its been around since day dot?

Of course, if I am right, and I have very strong reason for believing it, that we are judged for "advancement" on our fidelity to the true nature of existence, which is unity and togetherness, as espoused by both science and the sages of old, then the real contradiction of Earthly existence becomes apparent, that the will to conform to the impulse of love, but for the purposes of reward, as practiced (superficially, at least), by religious adherents, is not an act of selfless love, and thus is void !


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 5:09pm
Btw,,,what do "i" think about dropping bombs on innocent people who,have done no wrong to us?

umm...havent you been on an all day rant about the moral justification in western countries doing just that?

my gawd you can be rather strange and batsh*t ironic. not to mention moronic.




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