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Topic: Aloisia
Posted By: Racing Carrot
Subject: Aloisia
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 6:36pm
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I liked this 2yo filly in NZ before she was sold to OTI and transferred to Ciaron Maher. She won a trial at Cranbourne yesterday. Not sure of the plans but if she races as a 2yo would be more confident if she gets up to 1400-1600m. She was nomed for the Atkins but haven't heard whether she's actually going to Brisbane. Has obviously been bought with a view towards longer races as a three year old. Her two NZ runs below. Worth mentioning Belle Du Nord who beat her at Trentham was then placed in the Group 1 Sires next start.
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Posted By: Racing Carrot
Date Posted: 19 May 2017 at 5:23pm
| Goes around in R1 Flemington tomorrow over 1400m, should run well |
Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 20 May 2017 at 1:52pm
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Thanks RC $18.00 Fixed ------------- Those who know don't tell, Those who tell don't know |
Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 20 May 2017 at 3:45pm
JJ Atkins on the cards  ------------- Those who know don't tell, Those who tell don't know |
Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 4:18pm
| Have to feel for Ciaron |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 4:26pm
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$3 fav for the Oaks. Hard to see her get beat on today's run. Racing Carrot named her the filly to follow this spring. He's rarely wrong. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 4:31pm
| Congrats to Aaron Purcell too on his first Group 1. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 4:41pm
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Racing Carrot wrote:Posted By: Racing Carrot
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 4:42pm
Well the idiot should have backed her today then
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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 4:48pm
I hope you didn't let the Oaks odds slip by then I took $17 after you named her. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: Racing Carrot
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 5:01pm
The only race I ever got around to backing her in was the JJ Atkins. I know, I know, hopeless
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 5:02pm
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I've got plenty on her in the Oaks, but I don't think it's all over by any stretch. Bring Me Roses looks just as hard to beat to my eye. Another 900m can be all the difference. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 5:04pm
Your too honest. Could have been King for a day.
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 5:06pm
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Too good Carrot - you invariably find us one. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 7:59pm
Most definitely, scamanda. Smartest bloke in here.
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Posted By: VPI
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 8:06pm
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Looked good and was unlucky in the JJ Atkins so took the 20/1 e/w early and managed come out in front on the race. Thought Alizee would round them up even though she got all the favours. On for the Oaks but Pinot can raise the glass. ------------- @value_punter |
Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 8:21pm
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On for the Oaks Another one I like, Teodora - very smart filly, hope she goes this way ( may come up a bit quick though) |
Posted By: Racing Carrot
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 8:50pm
I won't claim that at all-it definitely shows betting is as much about execution as knowledge. No point just doing well on the knowledge part. I literally have no idea why I didn't back her today. Generally if I start one of these threads with the form attached you know it's a horse I really like. I think over the past year they're been a mixed bag- La Diosa-did win first up in Sydney then lost all form Aloisia-has worked out Padraig-has mostly been a flop in Aussie so far, at least in the city Ardrossan-hasn't even run yet for some reason which must mean injury as Price was talking him up as one of his potential stars this spring |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 9:19pm
| It's not just this, Carrot... |
Posted By: deejays destiny
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 6:48pm
| Wins the Oak in a breeze off that |
Posted By: Donald Hiltonson
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 6:49pm
| Could be anything |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 6:51pm
| 2500m brings a lot undone but gee she's a classy girl. Gave the fillies a cold second up over a mile and now has absolutely thumped the colts. Suspension is proving very costly for Cairon |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 6:52pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 6:59pm
| Looks like plenty of staying power in there djebel?? |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 6:59pm
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$1.70 for the Oaks now on SportsBet. What a win today. That was just too easy. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 7:02pm
| And more time to recover than had she gone around in the traditional Wakeful lead-up. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 8:24pm
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How would she have gone in the Plate ? She has run 1.3 seconds slower or about 7 tp 8 lengths but would have carried 8 kgs less. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 8:43pm
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There are more important questions to be answered djebel. Like , did Racing Carrot get on? ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 8:48pm
| Few have tried but it's 40+ years since Surround did it for her age/sex, and she was a VERY special filly. Aloisia has it all ahead of her but you wouldn't want to be betting against her winning an open G1 at some stage. Early days but this years crop of 3yo middle distance horses don't look a great bunch so her emergence is a good thing for racing. |
Posted By: Racing Carrot
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 10:16pm
Er, lets just say it was a slightly expensive game of backyard cricket I got distracted by. Got bowled twice in three bats too
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 10:30pm
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She reminds me of Richfield Lady. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 11:29pm
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She is the best 3yo from 1600m+ in the nation and possibly the best 3yo period! If she was mine forget the Oaks, go for the big prize and take on the colts next Saturday! ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 11:31pm
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She's the best 3yo in the country. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 11:39pm
It might be a bit late to nominate for a Derby run. But certainly the best middle distance 3YO in Australasia. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 4:18pm
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 4:22pm
| Tiny but classy |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:07pm
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Cooked ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: rugby0
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:08pm
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Bubble pops ------------- Jezabeel was my greatest horse. |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:08pm
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Can’t stay ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:09pm
| Didn't win. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:10pm
| Wise after the event. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:10pm
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Getting replated behind the barrier is terrible for a young horses chances. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:15pm
| It does not help anything, I think. |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:17pm
Love it.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:18pm
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And I know he probably did not do anything wrong, but no way no how, I do not care if the mafia had a gun to my head, would I put Nolen on any horse at 2000m+. He can not judge pace, where as steven baster is one of the best in Australia! Aloisia did not stay the 2500m, but just saying. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:23pm
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First time I've seen Aloisia ridden forward outside the leader. Strange tactic that backfired. Steve Baster gave Luke Nolen a riding lesson in the first part of the race. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:23pm
Then Bowman on an 80-1 shot pushes up to keep her wide early. Never looked comfortable in the run. Definite forgive. |
Posted By: VPI
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:35pm
Not a bad drop.  Did too much work early. ------------- @value_punter |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 5:52pm
| You have to say the winner didn't have the easiest of runs either. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 6:01pm
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No she didn't furious. But Baster didn't panic and just let her stride up to the front when she was settled, and not around the tightest part of the circuit. He's a very underrated jockey and deserved the win as does Adrian Bott. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 6:11pm
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Perfect ride on Aloisia but can't stay. |
Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 6:13pm
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Massive form reversal from Bring Me Roses ------------- If your hands aren't shaking you haven't put enough on. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 6:21pm
Give her to Aiden, Joseph, John, Willie, Charlie and or Mark and I bet she would stay on her ear. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 6:36pm
Judging on what Maher did with a Myboycharlie/General Nediym I would say he can train a stayer. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 7:03pm
He has not had her for a while now. His influence would be declining as time goes by. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 7:07pm
| Boring. |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 8:51pm
| Just read Racing Carrot's opening post. All I can say is kudos to you for picking this filly before she had won a race. You are a freak at this sort of thing. Putting aside her obvious failure today, Aloisia is a very very good filly. |
Posted By: WarriSymbol
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 5:59am
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Posted By: WarriSymbol
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 6:00am
Blinkers off did the trick. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 7:18am
Maybe, but would she have won the 1000 guineas ? |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2017 at 10:36am
Of course because the Euro trainers are superior Thought I'd save you the trouble of posting djebel. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 6:22pm
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What do people think of the trial? https://www.racenet.com.au/news/thousand-guineas-winner-aloisia-trials-at-cranbourne-20180205" rel="nofollow - https://www.racenet.com.au/news/thousand-guineas-winner-aloisia-trials-at-cranbourne-20180205
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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 7:52pm
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I don't think we can learn anything from that trial 3bm. She did nothing, as expected. Like Winx maybe. She could have gotten a lot more from a solid workout against a stablemate. When game day comes along we might see something better from her. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 8:26pm
| There is no other way to describe her trial other than poor. Hope she shows more on raceday. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 8:30pm
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I don’t see what the issue is? It’s a trial. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 8:34pm
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My reply disappeared. Take 2. Second up into the Guineas is her go but she wont want to be behind because others will be ready. I don't recall how she usually goes in trials but would have liked to see her cruising late not being shoved along, esp with only 11 days to the 1400m? Vanity. What we can say is that Savanna Amour is going nicely for her resumption.
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Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 10:23pm
| I wouldnt discount her on that - not asked to do too much and they sprinted home - it will be a different story on race day |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2018 at 7:43am
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Zero wrong with that trial |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2018 at 9:12pm
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https://www.punters.com.au/news/aloisia-last-in-underwhelming-trial_166008/%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.punters.com.au/news/aloisia-last-in-underwhelming-trial_166008/
Extract: The Trial Files' Victorian analyst Matt Welsh said the trial was visually disappointing but also noted that Aloisia was soundly beaten in a jump-out leading into her spring campaign.
"Aloisia was sent around in an 800m trial at Cranbourne this morning and to the eye was most disappointing. She did nothing but stare at rump steak at the tail of proceedings throughout. Looking at her physique, she needed the trial and she will derive a lot of benefit for the hit-out," Welsh said. More in the linked article. |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2018 at 7:14am
| Early $2.50 favourite for The Vanity on Saturday. I hope she wins but could not entertain taking the shorts after that awful trial. It's fine when horses are given a quiet trial and are not put under any pressure, however she didn't appear to have much up her sleeve after trailing the field and had a good blow after the trial. Looked to my eye that she was quite unfit. |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2018 at 7:16am
| Needed the run first up last prep. |
Posted By: KFG
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2018 at 6:35am
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Wouldn't back her with free money on Saturday. Oaks might have broken her IMO. Trial was well below acceptable. $2.50 is surely a joke for the Vanity? Got a feeling she will become one of those horses that never gets back to her best form.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 11:29pm
| I expect her to continue to drift up to the jump. I can see her getting to $4.00 or more. There comes a point she becomes backable. Yes the trial was poor, but a trial is still only a trial. She has lengths on these at her best and to be ready for the Australian Guineas second up she needs to be pretty forward first up. Yes she's a risk first up, but what's a fair risk. The opening quote of $2.50 was unders, but $4.00 or more is probably a fair bet. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 11:46pm
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Runs a nice placing - if she wasn't busted by the Oaks as suggested above. Wouldn't be the first to suffer from that syndrome in the autumn but I doubt that's the case. She'd want to parade brilliantly and get right out before I'd look at her. Wasn't blown away by the trial but still think Banish is hardest to beat of those likely to be tuned up.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 3:17pm
| Looks good if a little solid. That may be her? Banish looks lovely. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 3:36pm
 Aloisia was really starting to warm up late. IMO she's back and will be the one to beat in whatever she runs in.Banish, get on next run. Williams stopped riding when he missed the early run and just followed bums. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 3:43pm
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Williams did more than that. He intentionally found bums and ignored a gap after searching inside. Head on was telling. Has a propensity for that. I've wavered on him before but am now in the fucw camp. I'll have to watch the replay on Aloisia. Thought she could have done better even though second up over further is her go. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 3:51pm
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I was on Banished too and watched the head on replay .......... and had to put the remote down so I wouldn't throw it at the TV. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 3:56pm
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Gotta have a sense of humour in this game. Mind you if I was an owner he wouldn't get near mine.
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 4:01pm
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The betting has been telling the stories on a few of these that have Blown like gales. Good lays in the end. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 7:10pm
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First up in the spring Aloisia was 5th beaten 3.55L at Caul behind Leather'N'Lace over 1400m. She came from 9th and 10th. Today she was beaten first up into 5th by 2.05L behind Rimraam over 1400m (Grp 3). She came from 10th. 2nd up last spring she won the 1000 Guineas. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 12:16am
She made the Stewards reports, as did Redzel. Not being in the early line was costly for Red. |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 4:40pm
Thinking along the same lines. She might improve enormously 2nd up. The negatives though are: 1) First up last prep she was blocked for a run 2) Last prep she had 3 weeks between runs 3) This time a little more dour, she is bred to stay
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 5:08pm
| Thought her trial was poor and approaching the 300 yesterday I thought maybe she hasn't come up. But she was strong late and if she improves similarly off that she's in the Guineas up to her eyeballs. Still want to wait until she gets to 2000 though. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 5:18pm
Made the stewards report. . Puzzle horse aye |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 5:33pm
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Okay late. Nothing to suggest she'll be winning the Guineas even with the second up profile although they will undoubtedly screw her down considerably in the next 2 weeks. ^^^ That should be enough to get her home
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2018 at 5:44pm
| Not racing well. Time for a spell |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2018 at 5:58pm
| Strange run. Looked to be travelling into it at the top of the straight but then got an awful check at the 400m. Jock stopped riding her for a bit then hit the line ok. Prepared to forgive. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2018 at 6:39pm
| Just watched the replay.Junk (negative) ride and the check she got put her right out of business. Not sacking her yet. |
Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2018 at 7:49pm
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Regan Bayliss got 25 meetings for that check (Reckless Riding) ------------- Those who know don't tell, Those who tell don't know |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 8:44am
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Inconclusive as she was hammered, stopped riding, then got going last 200m to hit the line. I wouldn't be spelling her unless she pulled up poor from the run. They should push on to the Vinery as she has not been fit as yet. That said, I'm sure she will run into Bring Me Roses in the Vinery who will love the step to 2000m and is going much better. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 8:57am
| Spelling her, unless injured from being polaxed, would be moronic |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 8:58am
| Fastest last 200 of the race, though admittedly did no work early. Jock did the right thing after the check and essentially gave her a barrier trial. Be very interested in the price she goes up in the Vinery-expect sharp improvement. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 9:04am
She makes the Stewards reports quite often. |
Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2018 at 3:08pm
| She is quite small. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 10:38pm
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Accardi's view fwiw. From Racenet (extract): “ https://www.racenet.com.au/horse/aloisia" rel="nofollow - Aloisia was the massive forgive run. “On the data she should not have missed the money – in fact it is possible she could have tested Grunt. “She travelled 6.7 lengths above the benchmark in the first section, then from the 800m to the 400m, plus 3.9 lengths above benchmark. She then had a horrendous slowdown, following the interference, between the 400m and the 200m of 8.5 lengths. “She finished off the race at 1.4 lengths below benchmark, which means she quickened again by seven lengths over the last 200m, it was on par with Peaceful State’s close. “The disadvantage, if we are using a direct line between Peaceful State, was five lengths. “We’re sticking strong with Aloisia going forward.” |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 12:16am
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I expect we all have our methods and views ( all should be respected ) as a right to opinion , but when I see very expensive racing data for sale at absurd prices , I shudder. Is Accardi worth the money he asks for .. ( about $50 a meeting ) |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 10:07am
| I'd be interested in know that myself Macca. Other providers might subscribe to incorporate into their own paid services, can't see that he does more than try to quantify what we can see with our own eyes if we look closely enough. |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 11:02am
What he provides is data specific to every horse in the race. It's for people that don't have the resources/expertise or the time to do it. I don't subscribe,but I can understand why others do. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 11:07am
| That's why I italicised the last clause rusty. Same applies to most services |