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Topic: Money Maher
Posted By: furious
Subject: Money Maher
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2017 at 2:55pm
Congratulations to Second Coming and Runfer with Money Maher (3rd in yesterdays WA Sires' Produce S) being breed by them.  More black type for your mares.



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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 4:53pm
Thanks Furious. Thumbs Up

For those interested, Money Maher's dam Treasury Notes has a filly foal at foot by Skilled and is safely back in foal to Al Maher. 

Here's what the trainer said:

Hi Alan and Cheryl

I'm very happy with what Tommy has done as a 2yo, I am sure he will come back better next prep with the race experience under his belt.

He has been forced to race out of his comfort zone the last 2 runs due to lack of pace in his races, I think next prep we could look at taking the blinkers off and sitting him back in the field and I'm sure we will see the explosive turn of foot that he showed us in his first two race starts.

Cheers

Ben





Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 5:04pm
Congratulations.

I have been wondering what had happened with this fella.

Should have black booked him when first came to attention.

That is a massive result.
 


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 6:20pm
Well he resumed at Northam today as odds-on favourite.  Second last 7 lengths off the leaders on the turn but took a rails opening in the straight to win by two lengths, running his last 600m in not much more than 33 secs. Thumbs Up

Happy to see him win, however he needs to improve his start and first 200m if he's to prove to be competitive in better company.


Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 7:34pm
Congrats SC.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 8:16pm
He's been watching the champ and wanted to do the same.  Like Dizzy said lovely to see him win.



Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2017 at 2:03pm
For those who may be interested:

http://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/JwPlayer.aspx?jw=JnJlcGxheVVybD1odHRwOi8vbWVkaWFyd3dhLnNreXJhY2luZy5jb20uYXUvUmFjZV9SZXBsYXkvMjAxNy8wOC8yMDE3MDgzMU5PVFIwMl9WLm1wNCZ2ZW51ZT1OT1JUSEFNJnJhY2VEYXRlPTIwMTctMDgtMzEmcmFjZU51bT0y" rel="nofollow - http://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/JwPlayer.aspx?jw=JnJlcGxheVVybD1odHRwOi8vbWVkaWFyd3dhLnNreXJhY2luZy5jb20uYXUvUmFjZV9SZXBsYXkvMjAxNy8wOC8yMDE3MDgzMU5PVFIwMl9WLm1wNCZ2ZW51ZT1OT1JUSEFNJnJhY2VEYXRlPTIwMTctMDgtMzEmcmFjZU51bT0y


Posted By: Lopartega
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 3:30pm
While were on the subject of Al Maher. I think if Domesday served 20+ mares a year by Al Maher he would be a top 10 sire each year. I think the combination of Domesday/Al Maher would become a very successful nick. I'm going to purchase an Al Maher mare in the new year and send her to Domesday and we shall see what happens


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 7:16pm
Another city win today.  Only upwards for this boy.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 8:03pm
Thanks Furious.  Star

May have come to hand too quickly, so perhaps an easy week or threebefore aiming for the 3yo stakes races in early/mid November.

On the other hand was talking to the trainer on Wednesday who suggested he might instead head towards the WA Derby next Autumn if he's had enough before the races referred to above.

In any event he's an exciting colt with the whole world in front of him. 


Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 8:26pm
Top colt - could be a huge success if placed well.

Congrats


Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 9:22pm
Congrats SC.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 9:30pm
Congratulations SC , hope there's more to come.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 5:59pm
Unfortunately Money Maher's full sister was born dead today which is a real kick in the guts for the mare, the stud staff and vets who battled to control an infection she'd picked up, and we as breeders who'll wear a significant monetary setback. 

There's quite a few highs for small breeders however sad to say they're generally outnumbered by the lows.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 6:09pm
So sorry Second Chance hope the mare is ok.  


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 6:28pm
Thanks Furious.

The mare isn't out of the woods and could be gone tomorrow if she has a bleed.  Fingers crossed and just hoping.



Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 6:42pm
gees - best of luck


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 12:30am
Good thoughts with her.


Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 12:52pm
Might be time to just move on , like so many other breeders .


Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 1:32pm
Hope your mare is doing well today.


Posted By: Bluey
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:49pm
Sorry to such bad news ...all the best with your mare hopefully a speedy recovery


Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 6:51pm
That is really bad news.
 
Hope the mare pulls through.
 
 


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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 7:07pm
Such horrible news Runfer. How is the mare?


Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 2:14pm
Sorry to hear about your loss with the foal second chance.
And I hope your mare is ok.

I'm still looking for the highs as well!


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 12:15pm
Thanks for all your best wishes.

The mare has lost a heap of condition and is still under medication, however it now appears pretty certain that she'll be ok with time.



Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 12:23pm
Great news Second Chance.  Hope next time she has a foal and no dramas.


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 6:26pm
Great news indeed.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 8:58pm
It's good to hear the girl is doing alright- fingers crossed for her SC

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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 8:59pm
Big relief.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Thanks for all your best wishes.

The mare has lost a heap of condition and is still under medication, however it now appears pretty certain that she'll be ok with time.


Great news. 


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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2017 at 2:42am
Hope all goes well for her.   She deserves it.



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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 6:48pm
B O O M


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 6:56pm
Happy times for SC tonight.  They must be so proud of him.


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:15am
Well done indeed 🍸


Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 1:12pm
Great result!  So encouraging...

& such an undervalued sire.


Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 7:45pm
That was a very good win. 
 
1:22.86 and the final 600 was about the same as all the "good horses" did on the day.
 
Thumbs Up
 


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 2:48pm
Hi everyone.  Thanks for all your congratulations.  Thumbs Up

It certainly was a big thrill for us, and it looks like we'll be heading over to Perth to see the colt go around in the WA Guineas on Saturday week.

Here's the link if you'd like to watch the race replay:  http://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/default.aspx

After typing that in and opening the site, proceed down to "WA meeting details" and use the pop down menu to find 11/11/2017 Ascot and hit "display meeting".  Then go to Race 5 and hit the arrow button on the far right for the replay.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 4:16pm
Saw a replay on Sky SC it was an easy win.  Hope he wins the Guineas for you.


Posted By: Tuddy7272
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 10:29pm
Sad to hear you lost the foal Second Chance. It's a tough game. Hopefully your mare is getting back to good health 


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 4:47pm
Thanks Tuddy.  The mare is much improved and was served by Palentino last weekend.  Here's an article that appeared in the Thoroughbreds Breeders Victoria weekly e-news:

The Prices are right for Western Wonder

http://www.tbv.com.au/category/industry-news/" rel="nofollow - INDUSTRY NEWS
POSTED NOVEMBER 14, 2017 |  http://www.tbv.com.au/prices-right-western-wonder/#respond" rel="nofollow - LEAVE A COMMENT
Allan and Cheryl Price bred Fairetha wins the Fairetha Stakes in Perth

Saturday’s WATC Fairetha Stakes in Perth for three-year-olds was taken out in brilliant fashion by Money Maher giving Wangaratta breeders Allan and Cheryl Price every reason to celebrate.

A distant tenth at the 400 metre mark, the colt reeled in the opposition and was eased down to win the Listed event by two lengths in the extremely fast time of 1.22. 86.

The story began when Allan purchased Financial Rescue, a sister to AJC Oaks winner Panama City, for just $3,000 at an Inglis broodmare sale in 2003.  Financial Rescue would go on to produce four foals for the Prices, including city winners Cash Advance and Treasury Notes.

On retirement to the breeding farm, Treasury Notes was served by Al Maher and Money Maher was the resultant foal.

He was offered through the draft of Leanne Smith’s Bucklee Farm at the Inglis Melbourne Premier Yearling Sale in 2016 and sold for $58,000 to young West Australian trainer Ben Pearce.

The Prices fortunately bought back a ten per cent share in the colt and have thus enjoyed both breeding and racing the promising young stakes-winner.

The Pearces set Money Maher for the WATC Sires Produce Stakes as a two-year-old and he didn’t disappoint in finishing a close third.

The colt was then immediately spelled with the 2017 Perth summer carnival in mind, and now looms as a major chance in upcoming the $500,000 Group 2 WATC Guineas.

Money Maher was the second stakes-winner bred by the Prices who began a small breeding operation on 45 acres just outside Wangaratta in 2003.

The other stakes winner for them was the dual stakes-winner Justify That (King Of Prussia – Duty With Honour), winner of 13 races and $520,000 in prizemoney.

“It’s been a financial, physical, and emotional challenge at times, but producing two stakes-winners from just thirteen foals of racing age is certainly an incentive to keep hanging in there,” Allan said.

Money Maher’s dam Treasury Notes has a striking yearling filly by young Riverbank Farm sire Skilled, and was recently served by Sun Stud’s Group 1 winning first-season sire Palentino.

Meanwhile Justify That’s dam Duty With Honour currently has a yearling colt from the first crop of Group winner Cluster who stands at Neville Murdock’s Larneuk Stud at Euroa.

The Prices give a lot of credit to local farms in North East Victoria.

“Over the last decade or so we’ve had horses served, agisted or prepared for sale at Barbara Ivill’s Little Plains Stud, Laurie and John McCarthy’s Greta West Stud, and more recently at Leanne Smith’s Bucklee Farm,” Allan said.

“They’ve all been terrific and we can’t recommend them highly enough.”






Posted By: Tuddy7272
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 7:55pm
That's a fantastic story Second Chance and great to hear your mare is back in business.


Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2017 at 9:28am
Fantastic Runfer - huge congratulations and best of luck in the Guineas. Must be a massive thrill.


Posted By: Luva Punt
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 4:51am
Best of luck today SEcond Chance and Run For Fun. I legitimately though you were just blowing your own trumpet and spruiking your own breeding with Money Maher, but you definitely have a good youngster, with an explosive turn of foot. I can see now why you have always rated him so highly. Hope he wins for you today, and there are plenty of good times ahead 👍


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 9:53am
Originally posted by Luva Punt Luva Punt wrote:

Best of luck today SEcond Chance and Run For Fun. I legitimately though you were just blowing your own trumpet and spruiking your own breeding with Money Maher, but you definitely have a good youngster, with an explosive turn of foot. I can see now why you have always rated him so highly. Hope he wins for you today, and there are plenty of good times ahead 👍




Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 11:27am
good luck to you SC.

but im hoping for Art Series as i own the half sister.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 3:47pm
Hi folks, we're back from WA now, and thanks for the additional best wishes.

Unfortunately we made the 6,500 km round trip only to have the jockey suffer a bad case of brain fade.  After being instructed to ensure the colt settled mid-field with cover, he instead simply allowed Tommy to drift back to last and then pulled about 15-wide at the 400m mark in an attempt to pass the other 15 runners in the straight.  The horse was brave enough but needed to run the last 800m in about 45 1/2 seconds to win which was clearly beyond him, and I'd given up the ghost well before they turned for home.  But that's racing.

The colt pulled up really well which was hardly surprising given he'd only worked over the last half of the race, so he may well go around in a 1400m Listed 3yo event on 11 December.  


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 3:48pm
Same jockey next time ?


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2017 at 12:54am
Hope you got to enjoy the WA hospitality 😊


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 5:17pm
We were obliged to down burgers and warm beer at Greasy Joe's after the race Bill, but after our spirits lifted spent a couple of days in Fremantle where we enjoyed fresh seafood washed down with Margaret River riesling and Tassie sparkling on harbour's edge.  And really enjoyed visits to the two maritime museums.  Thumbs Up

Just for your own interest, we found the cost of riding in taxis quite reasonable, and the drivers were always pleasantly thankful when they copped our modest tip.

But exciting times mate, Tommy has gained a start in the $1,000,000 Kingston Town Classic on Saturday!  We've a new (and hopefully improved) jockey, will start about 66/1 but he's on a win to nothing and providing he gallops ok tomorrow will hock one of the daughters once again and fly across for the race.

No real expectations but it'll be a huge thrill just to be there.  





 


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 5:29pm
SC, your horse must have finished up inflated odds on Betfair, late, I see the Betfair SP ran at $10.2, much shorter everywhere else. My suggestion, BYO jockey.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 5:47pm
Seriously, SC, a horse starts around $6 generally everywhere in a major race, and the stewards aren't interested in why it SP's $10 on Betfair ? The wild west indeed.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 5:49pm
Good luck SC.  I'm sure you know all of the TBV is barracking for him.


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2017 at 10:48am
He certainly faces a task, but as they say, it’s a horse race and you’ve got to be in it to win it. Good luck


Posted By: tally
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2017 at 8:00pm
and he has drawn barrier 2 Thumbs Up
Good Luck SC & Runfer


Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 8:18am
I’ve opened this thread for the first time this morning and it’s been great to read of the success for a couple of long term forum contributors.
Long may it continue. Seems like a promising one who has already delivered nicely.


Posted By: Lopartega
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 2:10pm
Good luck SC enjoy the day. I think with the right run he finishes in the front half of the field.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 5:41pm
You're probably right Lopartega.  4th would be tremendous and something better would probably be rather too much to realistically expect.

The plan is to be positive from the start, and from barrier 2 attempt to settle/sit right outsideBlack Heart Bart which has drawn the rails and will likely be aiming to race about three pairs back with some favored horses who've drawn wide working hard to lead or settle on the pace.

All very well in theory, but no-one really knows how it'll actually pan out.  


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 5:54pm
Let's see what happens with Betfair this time.....Last time, well, what can I say.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 6:09pm
Drifted from $4.20 to $6.50 on track also.

Maybe thay knew that Noske would screw up, just like he did in almost exactly the same fashion a week later on Rock Magic in the Winterbottom.  Dead


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 6:17pm
$10 ( Betfair) is extremely "knowing". Way too much knowing. The stewards should have been all over it like a rash, but someone posted a story about a dodgy race at Geraldton recently, where stewards indicated they would be checking Betfair and corporates for betting trends. One would have thought they'd have known that meeting was not covered by either Betfair or the corps, so they are clearly not that much on the ball over there.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 7:05pm
The bottom line is that betting won't have any bearing on what happens with Tommy on Saturday.

In for a penny, in for a pound.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 7:10pm
I hope you are right, and it runs well. I see someone was spruiking it on another website, saying it was entitled to be much shorter odds than I think he mentioned, $34. Good luck.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 3:33pm
Really happy with the run.

Began well but ended up back 9th in running following the early interference that put Black Hart Bart out of business, and only beaten 3 1/4 lengths.


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 4:31pm
good stuff Second Chance. shame about the interference.....

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 8:03pm
Please tell me he has not been gelded.

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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 8:05pm
beautiful win


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 8:05pm
Just changed channels to see this guy win well. Thought please please please please please. 😊

Congratulations Second Chance and any others involved.



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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 8:11pm
Lovely


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2018 at 11:19am
Thanks for your kind words folks.

We greeted his win more with relief than elation, as he'd performed poorly the start before.  Was found to be lame in a hind hoof so was treated and had a bar plate fitted, however you're always a bit apprehensive after such a setback.

He'll progress to another Listed 2000m event in a fortnight and hopefully on to the Derby a further fortnight later.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 11:57am
Obviously disappointing he did not win but he was brave. Looked a brutal pace and he was the only one on it to be in the finish.




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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 11:58am
MONEY MAHER (AUS)Bay colt 2014 
Al Maher
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Show Dancing
Brown 1993
Don't Say Halo
Bay or brown 1982
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Cosmah
1958
1953
4-n
2-d
Never Babble
Bay or brown 1976
Advocator
Never Hula
1963
1969
12-c
1-s
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Show Lady
Bay 1976
Sir Ivor
Best in Show
1965
1965
8-g
8-f
Treasury Notes
Bay 2007
Special Bond
Bay 1997
Fairy King
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Theme Song
Bay 1987
Sackford
Bay 1980
Stop the Music
Bon Fille
1970
1962
11-g
20>
Cotehele House
Brown or black 1980
My Swanee
Eight Carat
1963
1975
8-j
9-c
Financial Rescue
Bay 1986
New Regent
Chestnut 1977
Vice Regent
Chestnut 1967
Northern Dancer
Victoria Regina
1961
1958
2-d
10-c
Dobbinton
Bay 1966
New Providence
Flaming Issue
1956
1960
9-d
8-f
Lady o' War
Bay 1977
Jim French
Bay or brown 1968
Graustark
Dinner Partner
1963
1959
4-d
7>
Senanga
Brown 1968
T V Lark
Sea Scud
1957
1958
9-c
8-f
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m,5m x 4m,5m Natalma5m,5f x 5m


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 11:50am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Obviously disappointing he did not win but he was brave. Looked a brutal pace and he was the only one on it to be in the finish.  

Thanks Djebel.  Thumbs Up

The winner was far too good, but with an ounce of good fortune we would've run 2nd.  Raced too fiercely up the straight the first time, and just when we got the A1 position one out one back the horse ahead of us took up the running and left us with no cover into a fierce headwind all the way down the back.  Then the leaders dropped dead on the turn and left us a sitting shot, so all things considered it wasn't surprising he got rather tired over the last 120m.

If he comes up ok will press on to the South Australian Derby in three weeks time and then head to the paddock for a well-earned spell.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 3:01pm
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 May 2018 at 7:10pm
He settled perfectly doing exactly as his jockey wanted. Unfortunately did not have the speed to come from that far back.

Good honest colt.



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Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 12 May 2018 at 7:40pm
I thought he ran a blinder from an impossible position! 

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 12 May 2018 at 8:12pm
Super run considering the circumstances.
Have a feeling he will measure up over here in the Spring.

Good luck SC and team.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 8:33pm
Thanks for your kind comments guys.  Thumbs Up

Our jockey was instructed to seek a midfield position with cover but instead immediately dropped him back to last, and knew before they left the straight the first time around that we were no chance at all.

Still last turning for home, 15-odd lengths off the leader, and made up 10 1/2 lengths on the leaders over the last 300m.  Can't confirm, however the trainer said his last sectional was the quickest of the 16 starters, just better than High 'n' Dry and significantly faster than the rest.  Which is cold comfort, given most of us believe he would have been right in the finish had he been able to settle as instructed.  Interestingly, we tried to get Damian Lane for the ride before Leicester won a fortnight ago, however he wouldn't commit until after the Chairman's Stakes.

Tommy's already in the paddock in SA for a fortnight before being trucked back to WA where he'll have a further month off.  No Eastern states campaign in the Spring, but will instead be aimed for the 1600m Railway Stakes and 1800m Kingston Town Classic at Gp 1 level late November/early December.




Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 9:05pm
Good luck for those targets.



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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 1:04pm
Why do you keep him a colt?


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 1:07pm
Why not?


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 1:11pm
the usual thinking is unless you are going to breed, you geld. or does it enhance his race type?


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 1:21pm
He's been rather honest for a colt so he's not thinking of other things Isaac and he is also the 8f female line (a different line to the Dancing Show one) so an interesting cross of sire and dam from the same family.  Bit like that Time Thief mare who won her first stakes at the weekend and who is undefeated so far.  Nothing much close in her pedigree but the female line is one of the best around and double up proved very good indeed.

Money Maher's second dam is full sister to a G1 winner who had progeny sell up to $1,000,000 so is still a pedigree with upgrade ability.  So yes he may not go to stud at Arrowfield or co but a little stud in WA may benefit from his pedigree base.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 1:25pm
The colt has a very even temperament so there's no need to geld at this stage.  He'll race as a entire in Perth this late Spring/early Summer and we'll take a decision about gelding or otherwise after that campaign.

He's raced in two Gp 1's and been ordinarily ridden in both, and both trainers believe there's a Group 1 or Group 2 in him if things fall his way.  And you'd appreciate there's a significant market in WA for a Group winning grandson of Danehill from a very strong female family, particularly now that Blackfriars is no longer with us.


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

The colt has a very even temperament so there's no need to geld at this stage.  He'll race as a entire in Perth this late Spring/early Summer and we'll take a decision about gelding or otherwise after that campaign.

He's raced in two Gp 1's and been ordinarily ridden in both, and both trainers believe there's a Group 1 or Group 2 in him if things fall his way.  And you'd appreciate there's a significant market in WA for a Group winning grandson of Danehill from a very strong female family, particularly now that Blackfriars is no longer with us.

Every owners lament, every breeders hope.....


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 9:06pm
From Pearce Racing:

We regret to inform you that Money Maher sustained an injury in Saturday's Group 1 SA Derby at Morphetville when rocketing home from the tail of his 16-horse field to finish a commendable seventh. Rider Jarrad Noske reported that the colt had never felt better on his way to the barriers and during the run and he felt he would have played a part in the finish if he had've drawn a low barrier, however, sadly it was not to be.

Money Maher pulled up really well in himself immediately after the race, however, he was found to have some swelling to his off-fore leg the next morning. After treating the swelling for a couple of days it still hadn't subsided so we elected to have the leg scanned. Unfortunately it has shown a slight tear to the colt's medial suspensory ligament, likely sustained when he was checked in running during the race.

Money Maher will now require two weeks of box rest before he has the leg re-scanned and that scan will determine how long his rehabilitation will be. The bad news is that he is likely to need about four months in the paddock before a slow build-up into his next preparation, which will mean that he is effectively ruled out from racing over the spring carnival and most likely for the remainder of 2018.

The good news is that suspensory injuries usually have quite a good prognosis and we have had plenty of success with horses who have sustained this injury and returned to win races.

The ownership group must now also decide whether we keep Money Maher as an entire or have him gelded. It is difficult to become a genuine stallion prospect unless you win highly-rated Group races as a two or three-year-old so, in our opinion, we feel it would be best to geld him when he returns to Perth and then give him a good break. However, this decision will be made by the ownership group. Please let us know your thoughts regarding this.




Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 10:02pm
Oh no. I'm sorry to hear that news SC, what a blow. Cry

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 10:32pm
I am very sorry to read about the injury Second Chance i hope he recovers well

Equally I am pissed off the trainer suggests gelding him just for the bloody sake of it. sweethearts.

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 11:21am
Whatever the decision (you know I prefer one to the other) I hope he comes back as good as ever and continues to delight his breeders.


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

He's been rather honest for a colt so he's not thinking of other things Isaac and he is also the 8f female line (a different line to the Dancing Show one) so an interesting cross of sire and dam from the same family.  Bit like that Time Thief mare who won her first stakes at the weekend and who is undefeated so far.  Nothing much close in her pedigree but the female line is one of the best around and double up proved very good indeed.

Money Maher's second dam is full sister to a G1 winner who had progeny sell up to $1,000,000 so is still a pedigree with upgrade ability.  So yes he may not go to stud at Arrowfield or co but a little stud in WA may benefit from his pedigree base.

if the trainer wants to geld he is probably not confident he will be a sire.

Bear in mind, Special Bond did stand briefly in wa, and was not successful, so opinions of your horse, if he were to stand in wa, may be coloured by this.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

He's been rather honest for a colt so he's not thinking of other things Isaac and he is also the 8f female line (a different line to the Dancing Show one) so an interesting cross of sire and dam from the same family.  Bit like that Time Thief mare who won her first stakes at the weekend and who is undefeated so far.  Nothing much close in her pedigree but the female line is one of the best around and double up proved very good indeed.

Money Maher's second dam is full sister to a G1 winner who had progeny sell up to $1,000,000 so is still a pedigree with upgrade ability.  So yes he may not go to stud at Arrowfield or co but a little stud in WA may benefit from his pedigree base.

if the trainer wants to geld he is probably not confident he will be a sire.

Bear in mind, Special Bond did stand briefly in wa, and was not successful, so opinions of your horse, if he were to stand in wa, may be coloured by this.

The trainer gave a typical idiotic reason.




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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 2:45pm
Let's clear up some misconceptions being aired around here.

1.  "being gelded for the sake of it".

The type of surgery and/or rehabilitation for an injury of this nature first requires a long period in a confined area.  And then a long spell.  The likelihood of full recovery is reduced if the patient is an entire because it's difficult if not impossible to keep feed up to it without the horse piling on weight and getting heavy over the neck and shoulders.  The percentage of entires that successfully return to racing is hugely less than is the case with geldings

2. "if the trainer wants to geld he is probably not confident he will be a sire".

If that was the case the colt would have been gelded long ago.  Moreover, post-race but before the injury surfaced, the trainers expressed a clear desire to keep him entire. 

3. "bear in mind, Special Bond did stand briefly in WA, and was not successful, so opinions of your horse, if he were to stand in WA, may be colored by this".

Special Bond never ever stood at stud in WA, but rather in Victoria where he served some very ordinary books if only because he never raced in the Eastern states.  However he was a dual stakes-winner in WA, several of his daughters have successful progeny running there, and there appears no real lack of appreciation for the horse in that State. 

But having said the above let me add that I certainly appreciate the opinions and best wishes extended by members.  Thumbs Up


Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 7:49pm
Bad luck Runfer. I've really enjoyed following Money Maher and thought he ran an absolute bottler in the Derby. All the best for the convalescence, nads or no-nads.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 9:18pm
Thanks Robbo, as always appreciate your input.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 4:22pm
Latest news isn't so flash.

Money Maher has now won three stakes-races, but sadly tore a suspensory ligament in the SAJC Derby so faces a very long recuperation period if he's ever to race again.

And just this morning we were obliged to authorize euthanizing of his dam Treasury Notes who suffered organ failure and was refluxing litres of blood and fluid.  The mare hadn't been entirely well for about 18 months despite continual efforts to identify the cause of her problems.

The mare only had one other foal, a 2yo filly by Skilled who's with Money Maher's trainers in West Australia.  Hopefully she'll prove worthy of carrying her strong female family into the future.




Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 5:25pm
nothing but bad news Guys, so sorry to hear/ Slowdown

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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 6:17pm
Oh no, not good at all SC.


Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 6:20pm
So sorry - that's horrible news. I hope you can take some solace in having bred a horse of the calibre of Money Maher and that Money Market can be a success both on the track and carrying on the dynasty.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 7:11pm
Terrible.



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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 8:30pm
Bugger.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 11:11pm
Very sad for you, SC.   Feel for you. 


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