Trapeze Artist
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Topic: Trapeze Artist
Posted By: antlowes
Subject: Trapeze Artist
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2017 at 8:23am
| No talk about this guy? Won at $20's and $35's this prep already. Yesterday's Black Opal win was huge from (15), wide all the way and still kicked clear of horses that were supposed to be Slipper fancies. Not sure where we see him next - is there another 2yo race on Slipper day (?) then the Sires? |
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Posted By: antlowes
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2017 at 9:22am
| Seems the owner is happy to part with $150k as a late entry. I'm on @ $51 with the help of a Sportsbet boost. |
Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2017 at 9:39am
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Beautiful type. Will give him that. ------------- https://group1selections.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 5:53pm
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Never would’ve picked him as a TJ winner ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 6:06pm
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They’d never advertise it because of his upcoming stallion career, but I’m fairly sure he was unwanted at the yearling sales because he didn’t have great x-rays. Shows what a joke and waste of money yearling x-rays are. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 6:29pm
I have a theory that perhaps good X-rays may be a mark of a lazy young horse as they’ve clearly not bothered putting themselves under pressure, and vice versa. ------------- to the victor |
Cityboy wrote:Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 6:46pm
He's a funny horse- two of the best performances of the season but 5 lengths off that level in all his other starts. |
Posted By: carche
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 11:40pm
| So off to stud or will he continue on? |
Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 11:47pm
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Amazing horse and built to produce TRAIPSE,the grand-dam, has sensational blood
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Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 11:48pm
| Ryan hinted at retirement...I'd agree |
Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 11:52pm
| 1st Dam TRAIPSE, by Bletchingly. Winner at 1200m, 2d STC Registered Clubs Association H. Sister to BOARDWALK ANGEL (dam of COOGEE WALK, THE BIG ASK), three-quarter-sister to Special Walk (dam of COUNTRY WALK), halfsister to Angel Baby. Dam of 12 foals, 8 to race, 5 winners, inc:- CRAWL (g by Dr Grace (NZ)). 6 wins–1 at 2–1200 to 1500m, $1,543,420, QTC Stradbroke H., Gr 1, Newcastle JC Newmarket H., Gr 3, VRC Debonair S., L, 2d VRC Emirates S., Gr 1, 3d AJC Epsom H., Gr 1, VRC Emirates S., Gr 1-twice, STC Rosehill Guineas, Gr 1, George Ryder S., Gr 1. OLD MAN (g by Dr Grace (NZ)). 10 wins 1300 to 1600m, $541,283, VRC Auckland Racing Club Metric Mile H., L, STC Civic H., L, Balaklava Cup, L, 2d VATC TS Carlyon Cup, Gr 2, 3d MRC TS Carlyon Cup, Gr 3. Step (f by Grand Lodge (USA)). Winner at 1400m, 2d AJC Mooltan H. Dam ofMARCHING (c Commands) 3 wins–2 at 2–1100 to 2040m, $781,222, MVRC AAMI Vase, Gr 2, 2d VRC Australian Guineas, Gr 1, Sires' Produce S., Gr 2, STC Ajax S., Gr 2, 3d Victoria Derby, Gr 1. GAIT (g Anabaa (USA)) Winner at 2 at 1000m, MRC Debutant S., L. Status Quo (f Lonhro) 2 wins at 1400, 1600m, $133,482, AJC Cherrybrook H., 2d AJC Adrian Knox S., Gr 3, 3d Gold Coast Bracelet, L. Nepal (f by Quest for Fame (GB)). Placed at 3, 3d MRC Imposera H. Dam ofTerai (f Teofilo (Ire)) 4 wins 1400 to 2400m, $187,035, to 2014-15, ATC So You Think Yearlings P., More Than Ready H., 2d ATC Christmas Cup, L. Khas Kura (g Lonhro) 3 wins–1 at 2–1200 to 1400m, $262,225, ATC Akubra Hats H., 2d Hawkesbury Guineas, L. |
Posted By: carche
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2018 at 12:30am
| C'mon he's only three but as with any potential sire prospect winning against genuine wfa performers, that'll be right. No sooner are we treated to their full potential then it's sayonara. Although I hope not. He is beautifully bred, no doubt about it. |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2018 at 12:50am
| He's a dangerous one to keep racing, like a lot of Geralds he loses his form a lot. Can be costly to a reputation for a colt. |
Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2018 at 12:59am
| The less they race the better they are at STUD |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2018 at 12:15pm
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It is all about money. There is a race called the Everest which he would be suited to first up. I agree that he is a strange galloper, but have seen three year olds do that in some seasons. His two group ones were high class, topline performances, and I would love to see him at Randwick in October, but not holding my breath. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 10:25pm
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Back for another season. Being set for the Everest! Good on the owners, fantastic news. Is running in the All Aged this Saturday. |
Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 11:55pm
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Best sprinter in the land...when ridden with COVER |
Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 1:23pm
| I finally realise why it is a good reason to have a race like the Everest - it could slow down the rush of young horses to the breeding barns. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 1:29pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 1:31pm
Yeah, if it works with Trapeze Artist it should work for others as well, because A) He'd be worth a lot right now and B) He's incredibly inconsistent so if its enough to lure him when hes like a 50/50 chance of showing up on the day imagine how likely you'd be go stick around if your horse was a good chance of turning up on the day.
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 2:05pm
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You just can't beat Danzig x Bletchingly - throw in Rockefella and... ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 2:06pm
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Wouldn’t be worth much at stud imo. We have too many stallions, too many yearlings that are overpriced and overrated. The breeding industry needs a giant cull. Start with getting rid of all yearling sales. ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 2:21pm
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A Snitzel who won the Golden Rose and TJ Smith. He's worth a fortune. |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 2:27pm
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Not really. He’s an inconsistent performer. ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 2:28pm
We barely have enough horses to cater for what racing we have now. We need about 1000 more stallions. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 3:14pm
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Posted By: Cheeky
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 8:11pm
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I struggle to catch Trapeze Artist on the punt but when he wins he looks like a superstar, not at all convinced he can back up and win All Age, I think Brave Smash maybe the one this Saturday. ------------- Good Horse Good Jockey Good Bet Pittsburgh Phil |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 8:43pm
| Think he's the winner (by default) but the price is poison imo. Has never won 2 on the trot. 1200/1400/1600 back to 1200 now out again to 1400 and they want you to take 5/4. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 9:35pm
You're game if you back TA at 5/4.  It will be interesting to see if he can make a start on BC and Winx's record- top race the All Aged this year. |
Posted By: Hoffy95
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 11:31am
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Watch his wins vs his losses Finds cover - wins No cover - loses It may not be that simple, but there has been a trend. And Tim Clarke I think it was made that point very clear about him a couple of starts back. I will be watching very closely for this purely to satisfy my own curiosity. The TJ wasn't even his main aim, this race was, which is scary for every other runner if he can go close to replicating last start. I've never been able to catch him either and you're brave taking close to evens, but evens could look good value too if he runs near his best because he will gap them if that's the case. |
Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 11:43am
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Personally don't agree with that. Sat on the breeze outside leader in the Expressway and still won. He needs to be ridden just off the leader stalking them and not leading. Has the most ability and biggest engine by far in this race and if ridden correctly will crush this field. |
Posted By: Hoffy95
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 11:51am
| Yeah I certainly don't think you want him leading even though he would have every opportunity to on the weekend with no obvious speed. |
Posted By: lostclarity
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 2:18pm
| How can you knock this bloke? Keep up the push elsewhere. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 8:23pm
It looks that way. I remember being a. surprised to see him leading, and b. shocked at the contemptuous ease Kementari handled him in the Hobartville. If he is ridden back in the All Aged we will have another test of your theory. |
Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 11:37am
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Just wins |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 3:31pm
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Seems that Brave Smash won't run if the track is firm. Race is devoid of early pace which might present a conundrum for Angland - lead or sit outside the leader. Anyone heard their plans? |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 3:41pm
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Posted By: Hoffy95
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 3:51pm
| Showtime and/or The Mission may look to take it up. I'm not sure what they'll try and do but suspect they will try and avoid leading unless it's handed to them on a platter. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 4:55pm
| Just listened to KLees SSR podcast and seems they will go forward if possible on Le Romain. He also tipped the winner of Muss R3 at decent odds - good for those who caught him this morning. |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 7:05pm
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I have looked back at his form, and the only chink I find, is how does he back up. That was a big effort last week and the only query for me is that it might have taken a bit out of him. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 8:17pm
A horse scratched because the track is too firm in Sydney in April- well now I've heard everything. It makes a change to horses drowning at Randwick. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 8:29pm
| Ryan apparently said this was always his "grand final", the TJ was just a (lovely and marginally unexpected) bonus. Don't like the price but will probably get sucked in because he looks too good. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2018 at 2:08pm
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I have no problem with the price, looks the winner. |
Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2018 at 6:27pm
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Love him and Redzel! So honest (now for TA). |
Posted By: Nobody
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2018 at 9:30pm
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Best 3yo colt in the country. 3 G1's and 3 open age WFA wins. Will win the end of season award for sure.
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2018 at 10:03pm
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Sadly we won't see much more of him on the track with the record he is building, but that's the racing industry for you. |
Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2018 at 10:36pm
| I think it would be fitting with this horses name that his Trainer followed him into retirement as well. |
Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 1:04am
| If that was the case,the son takes over. |
Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 1:05am
re-iterating and the owner deserves it...he has invested so much.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 1:17pm
$40 million? What are the assumptions behind that valuation? Mares x fee x years |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 1:57pm
Headed for the Everest was mentioned y'day. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 2:09pm
| It's being decided tomorrow I heard, but hinted he is going to stud. |
Posted By: antlowes
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2018 at 11:10pm
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More racing for this bloke. Everest, HK and even Ascot on the cards. https://www.aushorse.com.au/trapeze-artist-all-aged-win/" rel="nofollow - https://www.aushorse.com.au/trapeze-artist-all-aged-win/ |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2018 at 11:22pm
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Great stuff. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2018 at 11:23pm
| Good news. Thanks |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2018 at 11:25pm
| Anyone who knocked The Everest, can say with near certainty this wouldn't have happened without it. |
Posted By: Breeding Above All
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2018 at 9:06am
| Very good news! Everest will only get bigger and bigger, looking forward to the evolution as it starts attracting more overseas talent too |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 10:22am
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Is Trapeze Artist being prepared to end Winx's winning streak? He would be the toughest opposition the great mare has ever faced first up and I'd say a good chance of beating her, if it wasn't for his atrocious second-up record. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 11:13am
| WINS Today? Can’t see anything beating the big fella |
Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 3:58pm
| WOW looked very ordinary compared to Alizee |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 4:50pm
Alizee 4 from 5 first up.... I don't think Trapeze Artist was comfortable in that slow going. He is more a time horse ( holding the 1400m track record at Randwick) . STICK WITH HIM. |
Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 7:01pm
| Head on chopping block. TA to go amiss and retire soon 😝😂 |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 10:14pm
Looking at his 6 runs since he broke that Rdwick 1400m record, they wouldn't set the world on fire. You could well be right, but his best run was 1400m . SO, be an interesting watch. 
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2019 at 11:00am
Next start Canterbury Stakes. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2019 at 8:24pm
Comes out today and smashes another course record on the fast going. no wet tracker apparently. |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2019 at 9:43pm
| Trapeze Artist is just fine on wet tracks. The key with him is he doesn't produce his best until his 3rd and 4th runs from a spell. Ryan astutely gave him two searching trials after his first up run so he was effectively 4th up today. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2019 at 9:47pm
He certainly improved some today. No Surprise, He's smart |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2019 at 8:11am
| On his day he's the best sprinter in the country. But we don't see his best very often. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2019 at 9:12am
| Look he ran one of his best runs in the wet finishing second to Redzel in the Everest. He is a big gross horse who takes alot of training to get fit obviously. But on his day very very good. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2019 at 12:59pm
| You are correct furious, those extra trials that Ryan jammed into him brought him on immensely imo, his last trial was a pearler and raced accordingly. |
Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2019 at 7:57pm
| A big bull |
Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2019 at 11:00pm
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Going to be awesome at stud! |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 9:38pm
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Four-time Group One winner Trapeze Artist has been retired after
suffering a shoulder injury in his attempted defence of the TJ Smith
Stakes at Randwick.
The four-year-old came out of the race with a large haematoma after finishing seventh. Trainer Gerald Ryan said owner Bert Vieira had immediately decided he should be retired. Widden Stud will stand Trapeze Artist on behalf of Vieira in the upcoming breeding season. “That’s it,” Ryan said. “Bert said, ‘enough is enough’. “I’d say he’s torn a muscle and it’s haemorrhaged. “He’s been such a wonderful horse to all of us and I look forward to his first son or daughter to walk into my stables.” Trapeze Artist retires with seven wins from 20 starts and prize money of more than $5.5 million. His four Group One wins were in the 2017 https://www.unnamedwebsite.com.au/golden-rose" rel="nofollow - Golden Rose , last year’s https://www.unnamedwebsite.com.au/tj-smith-stakes" rel="nofollow - TJ Smith Stakes and https://www.unnamedwebsite.com.au/all-aged-stakes" rel="nofollow - All Aged Stakes and last month’s https://www.unnamedwebsite.com.au/canterbury-stakes" rel="nofollow - Canterbury Stakes .
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 9:40pm
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that is huge!
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 9:54pm
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He's bred to be a stallion being from the same family as such greats as Phar Lap, Sunline, Planet Kingdom etc. Then he carries an inbreeding to the family of Redoute's Choice though Best in Show. Just like Extra Brut. So he has the female line of 2r with the dam by a 8f stallion and the sire by a 8f stallion. Everyone is raving about the Japanese superstar Almond Eye. She is from the 8f female line by a 2s female line stallion. Sort of suggests that you could try mares by Mr Prospector line sires (sireline of Almond Eyes sire) or Halo line sires (Sunday Silence sire of dam of Almond Eye) The she is inbred to Nureyev. With all that lovely Zabeel blood which has Nureyev or Encosta and Sadler's Well's blood which carries Nureyev's dam. Probably would be nice to see some Desert Sun blood (sire of Sunline). Likewise there isn't that much Planet Kingdom blood around anymore but two that carry him are Love Conquers All and Merchant Navy. Would be interesting to see one of the Legally Bay family to to him to introduce that second line of 2r. |
Posted By: ChrisB
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 10:06pm
 But in all seriousness that's poor news and explains why ran so poorly. He's a top horse and hope he enjoys his retirement 
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