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Topic: James McDonald
Posted By: horseshoe
Subject: James McDonald
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:13pm
The JMac has stood himself down from riding!

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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:15pm
Racing NSW Stewards Interview Licensed Jockey James McDonald

Acting on intelligence received, Racing NSW today conducted an interview of licensed jockey James McDonald, relative to his association with a known punter and that punter’s betting activities.

Having regard to the evidence adduced at that interview, Racing NSW Stewards issued a charge against James McDonald under AR83(d), which states:

AR 83. Every jockey or apprentice may be penalised -
(d) If he bet, or has any interest in a bet on any race, or contingency relating to Thoroughbred racing involving a race in which he is riding. For the purposes of this rule, bet includes a lay bet (as defined in AR175B(7)).

The details of the charge being that he had an interest in a bet on the horse Astern to win in Race 1 (Surf Meets Turf Plate) at Royal Randwick on Saturday, 5 December 2015, being a horse that he rode in that race.

James McDonald was not required to enter a plea.

Subsequent to the charge being issued, Stewards indicated they would consider exercising a discretion under AR8(z) to suspend his licence on the basis that his ongoing participation would pose an unacceptable risk to, prejudice or undermine the image, interests or integrity of racing.

Upon application from James McDonald, the Stewards acceded to his request that in the circumstances he would be permitted to voluntarily stand himself down from riding immediately pending the hearing of the charge.

Mr McDonald was advised that should he seek to withdraw his application to voluntarily stand down, he would be required to attend a hearing before the Stewards and make submissions in respect to AR8(z).

Stewards also advised James McDonald that they would continue their investigations in relation to the intelligence received and reserved their position to issue additional charges should the evidence establish any further breaches of the Rules of Racing.



Posted By: James
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:24pm
What an idiot. Apparently $30K? prizemoney for the winning jockey isn't enough of a win.


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:25pm
Sorry wrong race. Thought it was in the Coolmore for some reason.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:27pm

James McDonald charged over betting scandal involving group 1 winner Astern

Adam Pengilly 
Published: November 15, 2016 - 6:17PM

One of Australia's leading jockeys has been dragged into a betting scandal with James McDonald voluntarily standing himself down from riding after being charged over the placement of a bet on Astern in his first race start.

Racing NSW stewards on Tuesday interviewed the retained rider for Sheikh Mohammed's Godolphin racing empire, the largest operation in the world, over the betting activity on the stallion prospect prior to him winning on debut at Randwick in December last year.

The Australian rules of racing ban any jockey from backing or laying any horse or from having an interest in any bet on a race.

Astern, which went on to win the $1 million group 1 Golden Rose in September as a three-year-old started at an SP price of $3.50 before thrashing his rivals on December 5 in 2015. His official price touched $4.60 prior to the race before the late flurry of money.

Fairfax Media understands a well-known professional punter facilitated a bet for McDonald on the race, which Astern comfortably won by two-and-a-half lengths.

Stewards told McDonald during an interview on Tuesday they would consider using a power to suspend McDonald's licence given his ongoing riding would undermine the integrity of the sport.

But McDonald advised them he would relinquish his licence until the charge could be heard.

Stewards will continue their investigations into the incident before a hearing is arranged.

with Chris Roots

This story was found at:  http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/james-mcdonald-charged-over-betting-scandal-involving-group-1-winner-astern-20161115-gspzac.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/james-mcdonald-charged-over-betting-scandal-involving-group-1-winner-astern-20161115-gspzac.html



Posted By: barney136
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:31pm
Yet trainers with Positives are allowed to continue training and one Harness trainer in Vic with a positive can continue to train and drive because he has tardy lawyers.


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:33pm
If found guilty I will be interested to see what penalty is handed out in comparison to the wet lettuce leaf Oliver was slapped with.
Integrity in racing is everything and it seems to be missing at just about every level of the sport this year from board, steward, trainer and jockey.


Posted By: howard moon
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:38pm
Jockeys should be allowed to back horses they ride I reckon.

At least they'll know how we feel when they have a terrible ride. Wink


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by howard moon howard moon wrote:

Jockeys should be allowed to back horses they ride I reckon.

At least they'll know how we feel when they have a terrible ride. Wink

I used to think that as well but changed my mind. You are best mates with one of the other jockeys and he puts a bet on for both of you then you just make sure your horse runs into dead ends all the way down the straight while your mate collects for both of you.


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:44pm
Is there a mandatory penalty now for this? Ollie got 10months, Shinn 15, Robl 12...??


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 4:59pm
This in no way compares to Oliver. Oliver backed a horse he was riding against and that horse beat his horse and won the race. Logic then questions how he rode his own horse.

I'm not suggesting James gets off without penalty, but no one should compare it to Oliver. What did Shinn and Robl cop? From memory they only bet in races they weren't riding in and they didn't lay any horses. Could be a more relevant comparison.

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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:13pm
His 'inside info' was lay anything I ride down the straight mate


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:15pm
How could he be so stupid


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

This in no way compares to Oliver. Oliver backed a horse he was riding against and that horse beat his horse and won the race. Logic then questions how he rode his own horse.

I'm not suggesting James gets off without penalty, but no one should compare it to Oliver. What did Shinn and Robl cop? From memory they only bet in races they weren't riding in and they didn't lay any horses. Could be a more relevant comparison.

Fair point.


Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:50pm
All , sorry MOST jockeys I know punt , the whole Industry revolves around it and most jockeys have probably been around tracks and betting rings since they were tiny tackers.
He backed his own horse on this occasion , give him 3 months and a warning but I hope they don't make an example out of him to make up for their incompetence in other areas of stewardship.


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:52pm
Unlucky it's his first ever bet

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:53pm
As they say, you don't get caught the first time you offend.


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

As they say, you don't get caught the first time you offend.

Except for Damien. It was his first time.


Posted By: Mug-Punter
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

As they say, you don't get caught the first time you offend.


Except for Damien. It was his first time.


Please.... He threw $10k on a horse he wasn't riding! At lest JMac backed his own horse.

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Posted By: Go Flash Go
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:21pm

Well well how about that,  still get a laugh over the day he (blatantly) came down the wrong side of the track down the straight, now it's clear - feigned Shocked

 
 
Don't really know who's who in the zoo at the races or on this site for that matter nor care  really but it again shows - best  keep to your own devices kids when it comes to racing Wink


Posted By: D.OLIVER 2
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:36pm
I'm surprised how long this has taken to come out.It's common knowledge in the betting community that this kid is a very large bettor and tips to heavy handed punters.The article doesn't mention the 50k he had on astern when they won the golden rose.....hmmmmm.
This is just the beginning for Jimmy boy.

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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:41pm
2 years - enjoy the holiday. 


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:44pm
New Lambo prices go thru the roof? 

Shinn/Robl admitted to betting over a long period of time - 300K was mentioned. Both got 12 months after appeal. 

If he's guilty I'd expect someone in JMac's privileged position to get at least a 6 months disqualification. Greed knows no bounds apparently.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:00pm
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

As they say, you don't get caught the first time you offend.

Except for Damien. It was his first time.



Yeah. RightLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:16pm
JMac's father is a trainer in NZ, he is D/Q atm....Maybe James is helping his dad outOuch

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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:19pm
Damn good jockey, but,
Does Godolphin really want a tainted jockey riding for them?(if found guilty)
What ever he gets as a suspension or fine is nothing compared to what Godolphin could/should hand him.

What a pity.


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Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:27pm
It must be remembered that the evidence against Oliver was very weak at best and oliver probably would have walked if he fought hence the deal being done.

Godolphin do not like bad publicity that is 1 thing I know beyond doubt.

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Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:31pm
Silly boy.


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

As they say, you don't get caught the first time you offend.


Except for Damien. It was his first time.



Yeah. RightLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


Common knowledge it was his first bet. Also that Smerdon didn't know what the 10K in the envelope was for


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 7:58am
If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 8:14am
Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?
Or at least named & taken for a ride down Media St


Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 8:15am
Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 8:34am
Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:10am
Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 

Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:12am
McDonald must have done the wrong thing by this unned punter. Why else would his name even come up ?



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Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:13am
Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 

Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 

if he is unlicensed, then its not his problem if someone asked him to have a bet for them , lies solely with JMAC i would have thought , as he is bound by the rules of racing  


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:27am
Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?


Correct.

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Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:33am
Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?


Correct.

Thought as much.... Think there may be a much bigger picture here


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:53am
Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?

dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 

Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 

if he is unlicensed, then its not his problem if someone asked him to have a bet for them , lies solely with JMAC i would have thought , as he is bound by the rules of racing  

Don't have to be licensed to be subject to certain rules. Nevertheless your rationalisation is interesting. Fortunately in my view, in civil and criminal law we don't accept that logic, for fairly obvious reasons.


Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:53am
Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Maybe they learned of this indiscretion whilst investigating the unamed punter?


Correct.

Thought as much.... Think there may be a much bigger picture here


Oh no not fast Eddie


Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:55am
Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

If receiving stolen goods is a crime, why can't this "well-known" punter be punished?


dont think the punter has done anything to be punished for here , its not as if they have pulled one up , he just backed a winner 


Apart from allegedly being a party to an act contrary to the rules of racing you mean? 


if he is unlicensed, then its not his problem if someone asked him to have a bet for them , lies solely with JMAC i would have thought , as he is bound by the rules of racing  


Don't have to be licensed to be subject to certain rules. Nevertheless your rationalisation is interesting. Fortunately in my view, in civil and criminal law we don't accept that logic, for fairly obvious reasons.


Yea you are right , I guess we should wait and see the whole story and go from there


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 11:35am
Someone asked about mandatory suspensions. Rightly or wrongly RV at one stage said they wouldn't be following the rule, preferring to allow RADB to rule on mitigating circumstances. Daresay RNSW might take a different view.

Godolphin statement on James McDonald

https://plus.google.com/115856000796803685590?rel=author" rel="nofollow - Clinton Payne  - 16 Nov 2016

International racing giant Godolphin has issued a statement saying the operation "will continue to support" embattled jockey James McDonald who was charged on Tuesday for having an " interest in a bet".

James McDonald at the recent Flemington Melbourne Cup carnival. Photo: Darryl Sherer

McDonald is facing the possibility of a two-year ban after Racing Australia introduced mandatory minimum sentences for the offence in 2013.

McDonald was questioned by stewards on Tuesday over "his association with a known punter and that punter's betting activities" before stewards issued a charge against the jockey.

McDonald then voluntarily stood himself down from riding immediately pending the hearing of the charge.

"Godolphin acknowledges the Stewards' report that Racing NSW is investigating James McDonald for an infringement of the rules of racing," a statement read.

"His decision to step down from riding, pending the outcome of the investigation, is the right one. We will continue to support him throughout this process.

"Prior to the outcome of this inquiry, and in order not to prejudice the findings, we will make no further comment."



Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 12:22pm
How do these idiots continually get themselves tied up with the "unnamed punter " ?   
Surely they should know what ever he touches is under the microscope !
How much money can one boy spend ? Not like he wouldnt be making a nice little fortune riding for The Boys In Blue.
If its true, then I have no sympathy for him at all.



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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

How do these idiots continually get themselves tied up with the "unnamed punter " ?   
Surely they should know what ever he touches is under the microscope !
How much money can one boy spend ? Not like he wouldnt be making a nice little fortune riding for The Boys In Blue.
If its true, then I have no sympathy for him at all.


Success often leads to overconfidence/ people thinking they are invincible. Probably gets a lot of people giving him all sorts of offers. 


Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 12:43pm
Godolphin says it will support its retained jockey James McDonald who has been charged with a betting offence in relation to the debut win of star colt Astern.

McDonald stood himself down on Tuesday after being interviewed by Racing NSW stewards who charged him with having an interest in a bet on Astern who he rode to win on December 5 last year.

Stewards said the hearing was prompted by intelligence received regarding McDonald's association with a known punter and that punter's betting

The reigning Sydney premier jockey, McDonald is the global operation's No.1 rider in Australia and rode for Sheikh Mohammed's team in England and Ireland during the Australian winter.

"Godolphin acknowledges the Stewards' report that Racing NSW is investigating James McDonald for an infringement of the rules of racing," the Godolphin statement said

"His decision to step down from riding, pending the outcome of the investigation, is the right one. We will continue to support him throughout this process.

"Prior to the outcome of this enquiry, and in order not to prejudice the findings, we will make no further comment."

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Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

How do these idiots continually get themselves tied up with the "unnamed punter " ?   
Surely they should know what ever he touches is under the microscope !
How much money can one boy spend ? Not like he wouldnt be making a nice little fortune riding for The Boys In Blue.
If its true, then I have no sympathy for him at all.



Success often leads to overconfidence/ people thinking they are invincible. Probably gets a lot of people giving him all sorts of offers. 


I actually think this type of thing is common amongst sportspeople..
The personality type of those successful in elite sports often sees them getting in trouble..
A close family member is ex-AFL All-Australian and has had his fair share of serious issues post-football that's roots began whilst playing and a number of competitive Australian swimmers from back in the day have also suffered similar fates..
For a jockey, their life is extremely regimented and the luxuries we take for granted and use as stress relief eg. eating rubbish, drinking etc is not an option for them.
Maybe it's more about the rush than the money, of which they have access to huge amounts compared with their peers, and are surrounded by influential people that don't necessarily have their best interests at heart


Posted By: Straight Connector
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 1:03pm
Incredible that this info came out just a week or so after the carnival was completed.

Amazing timing for him. Lucky Boy.


Posted By: deejays destiny
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 1:19pm
How long have the stewards known?


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 1:24pm
James McDonald bet investigation to take a number of weeks
By Nick Hluchaniuk 5 hours ago
James McDonald rode Astern to an easy win on debut Image: Sportpix
Racing NSW's investigation into James McDonald's alleged involvement in a bet on Astern back in December 2015 won't reach a conclusion for a number of weeks according to chief steward Marc Van Gestel.

McDonald stood down from riding on Tuesday after being charged by stewards under AR 83(d) for having an interest in a bet on Astern to win at Royal Randwick on 5 December 2015.

Van Gestel told RSN it would be weeks until the investigation reached a conclusion.

"It will be weeks, it won't be days. We need to be thorough with our investigations and making sure that we properly investigate every angle so that will take a period of time," Van Gestel said.

"There will be interviews that will need to be conducted so I suspect it will weeks before we'll be in a position to resume. Not months, but weeks and we'll do it as expediently as possible, but not compromising on the thoroughness of the investigation.

Acting on intelligence received, Racing NSW conducted an interview of McDonald on Tuesday.

"Racing NSW has a memorandum of understanding with a number of law enforcement agencies both federally and in this state and we meet from time to time to share intelligence between the agencies and this was a consequence of that memorandum of understanding," Van Gestel said.

"We obviously collect our own betting information and intelligence along the way and this culminated in a situation where we were of the opinion we needed to interview James (McDonald) in respect to the intelligence we received."

With McDonald out of the saddle while the investigation continues, Godolphin will have to call on a number of riders to cover the loss of their number one jockey.

Tim Clark, Kerrin McEvoy and Tye Angland picked up rides for Godolphin at Warwick Farm on Wednesday.

John O'Shea has seven runners nominated for Rosehill on Saturday with Brenton Avdulla picking up two rides including Duca Valentinois in the feature November Handicap while promising apprentice Nick Heywood has also been booked for two rides.

Avdulla, along with Clark who rode a treble for Godolphin earlier this month at Canterbury, are likely to be given the majority of rides over the coming weeks.

The global racing operation said in a statement on Wednesday that they would continue to support McDonald during the investigation, but would make no further comment prior to the outcome of the enquiry


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 1:26pm
Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?


Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 1:32pm
I'm glad he backed the one he was riding, at least it was trying.


Posted By: The Insider
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.


Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.


Just asking with no idea each way , How does it look like they waited for the carnival to be over exactly? Or is it just a case of it came out and the carnival just finished so put on our tin foil hats and scream conspiracy?
Again I am not in either camp but would like to know how you came to this conclusion?
Thanks


Posted By: The Insider
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 6:03pm
Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.


Just asking with no idea each way , How does it look like they waited for the carnival to be over exactly? Or is it just a case of it came out and the carnival just finished so put on our tin foil hats and scream conspiracy?
Again I am not in either camp but would like to know how you came to this conclusion?

Thanks

Because this has been spoken about for quite a while, without any action. It was around the tracks since he was in the UK


Posted By: Caesars Palace
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

McDonald must have done the wrong thing by this unned punter. Why else would his name even come up ?



Phone taps Reg, clueless


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 6:13pm
The Insider is right- the rumours started prior to his travel early in the year and was tipped as the reason he went overseas in the first place...


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 6:19pm
At least he's a good judge. Knew how good Astern was. Might teach Glyn and Waller what to look for in trials.....


Posted By: Straight Connector
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by MJM MJM wrote:

Originally posted by The Insider The Insider wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Seemimgly only found out via someone else's intelligence.. Or they knew already and sat on it but only acted on it now because of said intelligence corroboration?

It looks like they waited for the carnival to finish before making it public. Integrity!!! The stewards might struggle to give the meaning of the word.


Just asking with no idea each way , How does it look like they waited for the carnival to be over exactly? Or is it just a case of it came out and the carnival just finished so put on our tin foil hats and scream conspiracy?
Again I am not in either camp but would like to know how you came to this conclusion?
Thanks


Pure speculation.

But how does it look?


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 7:21pm
How does it look ??
It looks very crooked , and very nasty.
If all the above insinuations are correct,  it looks just horrible .



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Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 8:15am
So the sun today names Anthony Gardiner as the gambler also noting it is "not suggesting he has done anything wrong "
And says stewards only recently became aware of his relationship with jmac, although it also says he is know to drive jockeys to the races on occasion .
When will these blokes learn


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 8:26am
So the stewards got wind of this punter and mcdonalds relationship with him through police liason?

what were the cops looking at this punter for?



Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 8:34am
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

So the stewards got wind of this punter and mcdonalds relationship with him through police liason?

what were the cops looking at this punter for?

 
Tips


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 8:42am
LOL


Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 8:56am
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

So the stewards got wind of this punter and mcdonalds relationship with him through police liason?

what were the cops looking at this punter for?


 
Tips




Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2016 at 3:41pm
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Friday, 18 November 2016
Warning Off - Mr Anthony Gardiner
Racing NSW has on Friday 18 November 2016 warned off Mr Anthony Gardiner effective immediately and until such time as he attends Racing NSW to be interviewed and to provide required information.
The consequences of being warned off include not being permitted to enter any racecourse or training facility, not be able to have an interest in any thoroughbred race horse and not being able to place a bet on thoroughbred races with a wagering operator.
Mr Gardiner had refused to attend Racing NSW to provide the information required and to be interviewed by the Racing NSW Stewards.
That refusal is obstructing and hindering the Racing NSW Stewards in investigating serious breaches of the Rules of Racing.
The decision to warn off Mr Gardiner was made by Racing NSW Chief Executive Mr Peter V’landys AM under his delegated authority.
Mr V’landys said “Racing NSW is on record time and again as saying integrity in this industry is paramount.
"Accordingly, no individual’s interest should outweigh the confidence of the public, and particularly punters, in the integrity of the industry.
“Racing NSW has zero tolerance for those that obstruct and hinder the maintenance of the integrity of thoroughbred racing in New South Wales."


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2016 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

http://www.racingnsw.com.au/article-display.aspx?id=21273" rel="nofollow - http://www.racingnsw.com.au/article-display.aspx?id=21273
Friday, 18 November 2016
Warning Off - Mr Anthony Gardiner
Racing NSW has on Friday 18 November 2016 warned off Mr Anthony Gardiner effective immediately and until such time as he attends Racing NSW to be interviewed and to provide required information.
The consequences of being warned off include not being permitted to enter any racecourse or training facility, not be able to have an interest in any thoroughbred race horse and not being able to place a bet on thoroughbred races with a wagering operator.
Mr Gardiner had refused to attend Racing NSW to provide the information required and to be interviewed by the Racing NSW Stewards.
That refusal is obstructing and hindering the Racing NSW Stewards in investigating serious breaches of the Rules of Racing.
The decision to warn off Mr Gardiner was made by Racing NSW Chief Executive Mr Peter V’landys AM under his delegated authority.
Mr V’landys said “Racing NSW is on record time and again as saying integrity in this industry is paramount.
"Accordingly, no individual’s interest should outweigh the confidence of the public, and particularly punters, in the integrity of the industry.
“Racing NSW has zero tolerance for those that obstruct and hinder the maintenance of the integrity of thoroughbred racing in New South Wales."

Pro punter. Probably has runners doing his betting anyway.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 10:52am
https://plus.google.com/108580056592558306344" rel="nofollow - Darryl Sherer  - 20 Nov 2016

The punter implicated in investigations into a betting charge against jockey James McDonald has been warned off for his refusal to speak to Racing NSW Stewards.

http://www.racenet.com.au/news/128734/Punter-warned-off-by-Racing-NSW" rel="nofollow - http://www.racenet.com.au/news/128734/Punter-warned-off-by-Racing-NSW



Posted By: withme
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 12:22pm
clearly macdonald has been dobbed in by someone very close to him, or the tip has been picked up ion wire taps, by cops investigating perhaps bigger matters involving one of the parties, still a bit rough that macdonald faces drama for trying his hardest to ensure his mount wins a race


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 2:06pm
I hear today 2 more well known jocks are being looked at.   Names wont be made public until stewards see if they have a case to answer.  
Any guesses ???


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Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I hear today 2 more well known jocks are being looked at.   Names wont be made public until stewards see if they have a case to answer.  
Any guesses ???


Yep but probably not the right thing to be doing " speculating "


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I hear today 2 more well known jocks are being looked at.   Names wont be made public until stewards see if they have a case to answer.  
Any guesses ???

There is one Sydney jockey I would absolutely think should be looked at but best not to name names. 

On another note how good is the South African cricket team going at the moment.


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 6:37pm
The word is THE FEDERAL POLICE caught him

and

it wasn't just ASTERN. Plenty of 30k to 50k bets placed. (the trouble with a jock placing bets is also...the jock could be stopping them too....not saying it applies here but has to be considered)

Assuming if bets of 30 to 50 k,you'd have to see plenty of money moving around. If true,J M would need to secure his big wins.....you can't trust anybody to accumulate wealth on your behalf.....these days.


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 6:50pm
Racing NSW Stewards Interview Licensed Jockey James McDonald

Acting on intelligence received, 



Posted By: James
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 6:51pm
Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

The word is THE FEDERAL POLICE caught him

and

it wasn't just ASTERN. Plenty of 30k to 50k bets placed. (the trouble with a jock placing bets is also...the jock could be stopping them too....not saying it applies here but has to be considered)

Assuming if bets of 30 to 50 k,you'd have to see plenty of money moving around. If true,J M would need to secure his big wins.....you can't trust anybody to accumulate wealth on your behalf.....these days.

If all of them were on his own mounts it will be his only saving grace but I would still expect him to get a decent suspension.


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 6:53pm
that's a quote from the breaking story

and here's the last paragraph quote

Stewards also advised James McDonald that they would continue their investigations in relation to the intelligence received and reserved their position to issue additional charges should the evidence establish any further breaches of the Rules of Racing.







Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I hear today 2 more well known jocks are being looked at.   Names wont be made public until stewards see if they have a case to answer.  
Any guesses ???

There is one Sydney jockey I would absolutely think should be looked at but best not to name names. 

On another note how good is the South African cricket team going at the moment.
 
LOL I see what you did there!!


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I hear today 2 more well known jocks are being looked at.   Names wont be made public until stewards see if they have a case to answer.  
Any guesses ???

There is one Sydney jockey I would absolutely think should be looked at but best not to name names. 

On another note how good is the South African cricket team going at the moment.
 
LOL I see what you did there!!

Whatever are you talking about Sub 


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I hear today 2 more well known jocks are being looked at.   Names wont be made public until stewards see if they have a case to answer.  
Any guesses ???

There is one Sydney jockey I would absolutely think should be looked at but best not to name names. 

On another note how good is the South African cricket team going at the moment.
 
LOL I see what you did there!!
....

Don't worry...he's UNTOUCHABLE...must have plenty on plenty....always gets himself out of trouble



Posted By: D.OLIVER 2
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I hear today 2 more well known jocks are being looked at.   Names wont be made public until stewards see if they have a case to answer.  
Any guesses ???


There is one Sydney jockey I would absolutely think should be looked at but best not to name names. 

On another note how good is the South African cricket team going at the moment.

 
LOL I see what you did there!!
....

Don't worry...he's UNTOUCHABLE...must have plenty on plenty....always gets himself out of trouble


He might be untouchable,but there are a few heavy hitters in Sydney who are getting cheesed off with his antics.He's costing the wrong people plenty.The minute you know who retired...the game up there has been much better off...the minute the biltong king goes.....the fairer go the pros and mugs alike will be better off.

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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2016 at 7:14am
Lol. Generalisations have bugger all value most of the time. 

Racing integrity still has a long way to go but NSW racing has never been in better shape financially or integrity wise. It's city/provincial integrity in particular is lengths ahead of most other jurisdictions, some of which might as well not exist at times. Punters no doubt think stewards everywhere miss plenty but the more usual reality is jockeys ride poor races and horses are animals not machines.



Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2016 at 7:30am
I've felt narky all weekend.  i really empathized with Cosmic Storm.  Sometimes horses must just not feel like doing the right thing and jockeys are taken along for the ride.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2016 at 8:16am
Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Lol. Generalisations have bugger all value most of the time. 

Racing integrity still has a long way to go but NSW racing has never been in better shape financially or integrity wise. It's city/provincial integrity in particular is lengths ahead of most other jurisdictions, some of which might as well not exist at times. Punters no doubt think stewards everywhere miss plenty but the more usual reality is jockeys ride poor races and horses are animals not machines.



Which jurisdictions are lengths behind in integrity?


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2016 at 10:08am
The other two "majors" Victoria and Qld particularly, WA probably - based on my limited viewing of their carnivals. Don't follow SA, Tas, ACT or NT closely enough to form a judgement. I'm talking about the issues being alluded to above, not interference and general reports by stewards on races -which Vic is very good at. 


Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 8:03am
I wouldn't have thought that bringing the Doyler in was strictly necessary.

Plenty of good jockeys in Australia, and they should be given a chance. 

More likely to do with them sorting out an embarrassment here, with Saeed no longer wanting Doyle as an automatic choice, but Doyle still having a Godolphin contract.



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Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 8:35am
Perhaps as others rumoured to have been questioned and?involved, they thought best to source from international ranks rather than locally until more information comes to light??


Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 11:58am
Was at Cambridge  ( NZ) trials this morning

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Those who know don't tell, Those who tell don't know


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2016 at 6:32pm
James McDonald could be served with a two year ban by the end of the week, with an inquiry into an interest in a bet, to be held in Sydney on Thursday.

McDonald has been charged under rule AR83(d) which states a jockey may be penalised ‘If he bet, or has any interest in a bet on any race.’

RNSW chief steward Marc Van Gestel told G1X.com.au that the offence still carried a mandatory two-year disqualification, but that special circumstances could see a reduced penalty if McDonald was found guilty.

“It does (carry a two-year disqualification), that’s the mandatory minimum penalty, but there are special circumstances stewards can consider relative to penalty,” Van Gestel said.

“It depends on whether the stewards agree that there are special circumstances in respect to it.”

The charge surrounds an interest in a bet McDonald had on Astern to win in Race 1 Surf Meets Turf Plate at Royal Randwick on Saturday December 5, 2015; a horse that he rode to victory in that race.

Van Gestel also said Anthony Gardiner, the punter allegedly at the centre of the bet, had yet to make contact with officials, despite numerous requests to be interviewed.

“Our legal counsel has continued to speak with his legal counsel, and we’re hopeful he will appear at some stage, but at this point in time there’s been no date set in relation to his appearance,” Van Gestel said.

Gardiner was warned off all Australian race-tracks by Racing NSW CEO Peter V’Landys last month, for refusing to co-operate.

McDonald hasn’t ridden since Stakes day at Flemington on November 5. Stewards considered suspending his licence at an initial hearing, before he voluntarily stood himself down.



Posted By: James
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2016 at 6:33pm
Could face some time on the sidelines. Mandatory two years which can be reduced (which makes mandatory rather pointless).


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 7:11am
Wonder what the "special circumstances" might be? I can think of a few: family held hostage; struggling to make ends meet; bikies threatened to shoot me; Oli did it. 


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 7:39am
The only special circumstance is pled guilty and fully cooperated with stewards inquiry.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 7:52am
Someone handed me a brown paper bag and I swear I don't know what it contained. Don't Shoot the Messenger.



Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 10:07am
If his transgression was a series of big bets over a period then FULL co-operation ought not give him any more than a 10% discount. Reading between Van Gestel's lines I'd bet good money it will be more should they grant it. 


Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 11:26am
I can hear a suspended sentence coming up


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 12:45pm
Pleads guilty to $1000 bet..


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 12:50pm
JMac given warnings on his association with Gardiner prior to the bet..


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 12:58pm
McDonald's council has submitted he should get 2-3 months using Oliver's sentence as example. He knew the rule like every other jockey and should get 2 years.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 1:05pm
Throw the book at him. 2 years MANDATORYMandatory


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Pleads guilty to $1000 bet..


You'd think they're missing a 0 off that bet... $1000 for him would be nothing.


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 1:21pm
I'm a big fan of JMac's riding, BUT.
Racing NSW needs to be seen as being level handed no matter who the jockey is.
Minimum 2 years mandatory? Looking at maybe more if they find he had input with the same punter making a motza in the Golden Rose. Mandatory means mandatory no matter what his defence has to say.
If in fact that is the mandatory penalty.


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Posted By: withme
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 1:25pm
these stewards do realise that jockeys have a financial interest in every race they ride in its called 5 per cent commission, how can they be high and mighty with McDonald when all he has done is tried to win a horse race..which he did..d'oliver is heaps worse he was betting against his own horse..and his horse was a favourite!!!!..of course oliver was trying to lose on his mounbt , why would he better on another horse in the first place...



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