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Topic: Pakistan Star
Posted By: crooked_gambler
Subject: Pakistan Star
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 5:56pm
Some win at HKJC. Horses don't win like that very much anymore.

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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 6:06pm
WINX


Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 6:58pm
Unleashed like a good horse but no idea what he is doing..... crazy stuff.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 11:41pm
http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/video/play.asp?type=replay-full&date=20160701&no=01&lang=eng" rel="nofollow - http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/video/play.asp?type=replay-full&date=20160701&no=01&lang=eng


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 12:01am
Thanks PT, ..looked impressive.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 12:06am
I missed getting on by 1 sec. Still on me knees... #raceclosed


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 12:16am
Was it a tip? ..or did you see it's last trial.?


Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 9:56pm
No fluke that 1st win. Would love to see his sectionals from the 400-200m he made up about 8L. Off the bit until the 1000m mark and wins pulling up

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Posted By: Straight Connector
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 9:59pm
Incredible run.

Put him into all my epl & nfl bets.


Posted By: doubledown
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 10:01pm
Won't be able to do that in better races (or will he??) but wow, this horse can get home hard...


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 10:10pm
Originally posted by doubledown doubledown wrote:

Won't be able to do that in better races (or will he??) but wow, this horse can get home hard...

I'd imagine as he rises in grade he will also be rising on distance. He should be able to keep doing it if he stays sound of limb and mind.

Although he seems as kooky as Gold Ship. 


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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 10:14pm
What is his stable name; Imran


Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 10:16pm
Must have been a fast run race as the finish looked like browns cows behind him.


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 9:36am
As a punter, you have to take him on every start. $1.25 horses that miss the start by 5 lengths and have to circle the field cant keep winning......can they???
I backed Zac yesterday in the last. Best losing ride I have seen!


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 9:39am
What was that? Can't keep winning if it does that against good horses


Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 11:16am
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

As a punter, you have to take him on every start. $1.25 horses that miss the start by 5 lengths and have to circle the field cant keep winning......can they???
I backed Zac yesterday in the last. Best losing ride I have seen!


They offered up $1.85 y'day. Interesting to see if that sprint is less powerful out to 2000m.


Posted By: JimmyUK
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 12:58pm
2nd fastest horse over 1400m in a few years.

He's a beauty this one.


Posted By: JimmyUK
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

As a punter, you have to take him on every start. $1.25 horses that miss the start by 5 lengths and have to circle the field cant keep winning......can they???
I backed Zac yesterday in the last. Best losing ride I have seen!


Apparently punters took on Black Caviar 25 times in a row. Sometimes as punters you have to accept that a horse is simply too talented to lose consistently.


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by JimmyUK JimmyUK wrote:

Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

As a punter, you have to take him on every start. $1.25 horses that miss the start by 5 lengths and have to circle the field cant keep winning......can they???
I backed Zac yesterday in the last. Best losing ride I have seen!


Apparently punters took on Black Caviar 25 times in a row. Sometimes as punters you have to accept that a horse is simply too talented to lose consistently.


Slightly different racing styles there Jimmy....


Posted By: The Gooch
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 1:38pm
I took the $1.85 yesterday felt like having a bet last night and remembered his debut. Thought he would be closer even if he was slow out due to less speed at the 1400m and it was just a C3. Heart in mouth stuff though


Posted By: JimmyUK
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 2:07pm
I wouldn't take it so literally Subestral.

Punters always look for faults. Appreciate he's a good horse.

A few people on YouTube saying nasty things like they wished he changed his name from Pakistan. Either Indian supporters or islamaphobes.


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 2:15pm
I can appreciate he looks an exceptional horse. He just isnt bomb proof. BC was.
I will love watching him race. I will just bet around him.


Posted By: JimmyUK
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 2:20pm
Is he faster than Chautauqua?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by JimmyUK JimmyUK wrote:

Is he faster than Chautauqua?

He will never run in Chautauqua type races. He probably has as fast a finishing burst but requires or will require further to produce it.




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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 4:13pm
Does he need further? Something about him to me says 1400-1600 is his distance and 2000 will nullify the sprint. Time will tell I suppose.


Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:


Does he need further? Something about him to me says 1400-1600 is his distance and 2000 will nullify the sprint. Time will tell I suppose.


The way he was off the bit for 800m of a 1400m race tells me he wants further!! Def bred to get over ground.

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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 8:22pm
Is he off the bit because he wants further, or because he gives up 5 lengths at the start? I am not convinced yet that he wants 2000. He races in blinkers and still cant keep up early. if they take them off over further, I think theres potential he misses the start by more.
He looks exciting, but for me, the hype is way over the top.
 
I was sold very early on BC, she was bomb-proof. This guy, no way in the world. Matt Stewart today called her the most exciting horse in the world.....please....a  class 3 win makes you one to follow, but let's see some more starts first....


Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 8:28pm
Everyone loves a swooper. If it had led and won that race by 4 nobody would bat an eyelid.


Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 8:43pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:


Is he off the bit because he wants further, or because he gives up 5 lengths at the start? I am not convinced yet that he wants 2000. He races in blinkers and still cant keep up early. if they take them off over further, I think theres potential he misses the start by more.
He looks exciting, but for me, the hype is way over the top.
 
I was sold very early on BC, she was bomb-proof. This guy, no way in the world. Matt Stewart today called her the most exciting horse in the world.....please....a  class 3 win makes you one to follow, but let's see some more starts first....


Running sectionals to tell us he is one of the most exciting horses going around. Unheard of sectionals for most horses.

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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 8:47pm
No doubt, but do sectionals necessarily tell you a horse is looking for further?
 
 
I have loved his starts, don't get me wrong, but I just think there are days ahead where you simply cant pass every runner down the straight, especially in HK.


Posted By: JimmyUK
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 9:17pm
He's basically the Chautauqua of Hong Kong except with a worse start. If he was to jump a few lengths better then we're talking easily Group 1 standard. His turn of foot is exceptional and you don't run those times being a donkey.


Posted By: VPI
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 9:20pm
Able Friend is the Chautauqua of HK. He is no Able Friend.

But he might get the derby distance.


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Posted By: JimmyUK
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 9:22pm
Chautauqua in the sense he flops the gates.

Able Friend can't run a trip either. This horse can get 10f they say.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

No doubt, but do sectionals necessarily tell you a horse is looking for further?
 
 
I have loved his starts, don't get me wrong, but I just think there are days ahead where you simply cant pass every runner down the straight, especially in HK.

Has The Hawk has pointed out he will be forced into class 2 racing now. I have no doubt he will be better over further when he can tack onto the back of the field with out any effort.

It will be interesting to follow his career.

Personally I think he has been whacked up too much to 87, The form of that race suggested between 77-80. 87 is a massive whack. 

He will worth backing against next start. 


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 9:59pm
That race just run in Honkers would have been the type of race Pakistan Star would be having his next start.

If he'd run in that race he'd have been required to carrry 55/55.5 kgs

Its not hard to imagine him running them down.

Would be interesting to see if he can come through a field as Circuit Land just did come off heels and reel them in.




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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2016 at 9:39pm
http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2024544/pauper-prince-man-behind-hong-kong-racing-sensation-pakistan-star" rel="nofollow - http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2024544/pauper-prince-man-behind-hong-kong-racing-sensation-pakistan-star

From pauper to prince: the man behind Hong Kong racing sensation Pakistan Star

Self-made millionaire Kerm Din looks back at his early childhood and how his life changed when he meet casino magnate Stanley Ho

PUBLISHED : Monday, 03 October, 2016, 9:41am


Nestled among the soaring residential towers of Central – some of the most expensive real estate in the world – sits an oasis of green, a time-capsule of sorts, where for more than 160 years people have prayed and lived.

Most of the busy types that pass here on Shelley Street’s Mid-Levels escalator, heads down, eyes on smartphones, scarcely know Jamia Mosque and its humble dwellings exist – but it is where self-made millionaire Kerm Din was born and raised.

Din stands at the top of the settlement’s staircase entry, in the same courtyard he played in with his six brothers and two sisters. As he looks at the small ferns pushing through the cracks of the old stone wall beside him, he remarks on how little has changed: “Everything looks the same to me after many years.”

There aren’t many rags-to-riches tales in Hong Kong racing. The cost of a Jockey Club membership and buying and racing a horse ensures that. But Din, owner of Hong Kong racing’s new sensation Pakistan Star, doesn’t mind saying he grew up poor.

“We stayed in one room and a small dining room, and at that time we didn’t have a toilet. We had to come upstairs here to use the toilet, and sometimes had to line up. I won’t forget this place, and it really makes me think you have to look forward and [aspire to be] a sportsman or businessman,” he says. “It made me think, ‘I will work hard and am going to show my mum and dad I’m going to do something.’”

Din’s father Omar emigrated from Pakistan with little more than a suitcase midway through last century, married and settled in one of the makeshift apartments just below Mosque Street. “He would bet HK$30 each Sunday,” says Din of his early racing memories. “When he lost he would tell us and when he would win he would show us the ticket.”

The escalator’s smartphone zombies might be oblivious to the mosque, but have probably heard of Din’s horse after clips of Pakistan Star’s two dramatic come-from-behind wins went viral.

Din says his sister even heard about the horse’s exploits in London’s Chinatown. “She saw someone watching the replay and said, ‘That’s my brother’s horse,’ and she got a free meal, some duck and rice,” says a delighted Din.

Even in Pakistan, where betting on racing is illegal, blogs and news sites have picked up on the story of the slow-starting, fast-finishing thoroughbred carrying the Pakistan flag’s crescent moon on the distinctive green and white silks at Sha Tin.

Yet the fluent Cantonese-speaking Din is a proud Hongkonger and he is most proud of the affinity locals have struck with the charismatic galloper. “This horse represents the can-do spirit of Hong Kong” was the sentiment of one comment in Chinese on a popular YouTube video.

Din fully endorses the unofficial “public ownership” for his overnight sensation. “I want this horse to be a working class hero. I want everyone to enjoy him,” he says.

Perhaps the most transcendent aspect of racing is when a great horse becomes a symbol of hope – and even though it is still early days for Pakistan Star, Din too can see a little bit of the Hong Kong he loves in his horse, and of his own journey too.

“We started out in a small one-room apartment, and now I have a penthouse. We worked hard, that’s the main thing, we kept looking forward and working hard. Just like this horse, we started slow, but we caught up, pushed and never gave up.”

After leaving Shelley Street as a 20-year-old, Din worked for British pest control company Rentokil earning HK$450 per month before a natural entrepreneurial streak saw him break away and start his own business.

A contract with Macau casino magnate Stanley Ho Hung-sun – himself a high-profile horse owner at one time – helped Din go to another level financially.

“First I made my first HK$100, then I made my first HK$1,000, but then when I was around 25 I was lucky, I had an office in Alexandra House which belonged to Stanley. He liked me very much and he gave me all of his business. I did business with him for nearly 20 years and everything that belonged to Stanley Ho I had the pest control contract on.”

Din now lives in a twin-level apartment in Pok Fu Lam with harbour views – it’s only a 15-minute taxi ride to Shelley Street – probably less if he drives his Maserati or two-door Bentley convertible. Even so, he hasn’t lost the common touch and last Monday he revelled in the tradition of giving lai see packets stuffed with cash to staff at trainer Tony Cruz’s stable.

“If your friend trusts you and likes you, you have to be faithful to them. Respect people, don’t try to be too smart, just try to be nice – but then, if you get a little bit of money, try to treat people the same,” is how Din describes his business philosophy.

Din has been a Jockey Club member for more than 40 years and on his mantelpiece in Pok Fu Lam are photos of him with some of the greatest characters of the professional era; trainers Patrick Biancone and Lawrie Fownes, and jockeys Eric Legrix and Gerald Mosse.

But one picture reveals the connection from the amateur era that brought Din to place his horses with Cruz. “I knew Tony’s father Johnny – he was a great jockey – from a long time ago, so Tony is who I put my horses with now,” he said.

When Din went to the Hong Kong International Sale in March this year, Cruz gave him a single horse to bid on at the auction: Lot 14. It was a lazy-looking but well-proportioned son of Shamardal, the sire of Hong Kong’s last superstar Able Friend.

“It was jumping HK$500,000 per bid. Luckily, when they got to HK$6 million the underbidder must have thought, ‘I’m not going against this guy, he is crazy,’ so he stopped there ... I would have gone to HK$8 or HK$9 million. I wouldn’t have stopped, as I only wanted one lot, Lot 14.”

Din is concerned at Pakistan Star’s rapid rise through the grades – he has risen faster than Cruz’s former champion Silent Witness had at the same stage of his career – but says he has already had the thrill of a lifetime after the horse’s second start.

Usually after the last race of the day at Sha Tin there is a rush to the exits – save for the lucky punters to have backed a winner of course – yet on September 18 there was something different in the crowd’s reaction when Pakistan Star produced one of the most memorable performances ever seen at the track. They stayed, and it wasn’t just because most of them had bet on the overwhelming favourite.

After the roller-coaster experience of watching the HK$1.70 chance miss the start again, trail the field and then loop the field for a decisive win, the delirious spectators waited as Pakistan Star walked back to scale, and were still there five minutes later, after Din had completed interviews and walked through the crowd. There was one fan that stood out to Din in the public section as he leant over the rail waving a betting ticket. He reminded him of his father.

“This guy had only had HK$50 win and HK$50 place,” Din said. “But he said to me, ‘Tonight we are going to go out and have a great dinner.’ There was something so nice about the look on his face. It was something that money cannot buy, that feeling I had that day. They usually rush to the train there, but after this race they waited for me before they went and collected the money. To se

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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 11:42am

Social media sensation beaten for the first time


https://plus.google.com/115856000796803685590?rel=author" rel="nofollow - Clinton Payne - 17 Oct 2016

Trainer Tony Cruz has blamed the handicapper after Hong Kong's excitement machine Pakistan Star was beaten for the first time at Sha Tin on Sunday.

Pakistan Star. Photo: http://www.hkjc.com/home/english/index.asp" rel="nofollow - HKJC

Pakistan Star was defeated by John Moore's former smart Australian galloper Mr Bogart, ridden by Chad Schofield, in the Woodpecker Handicap (1400m).

Pakistan Star again flashed home from last but came up 2-1/2 lengths short of his third win from as many career starts when finishing second, 1-1/4 lengths clear of third placegetter Spicy Sure.

"I think the way his handicap rating went up 30 points in just two starts had a lot to do with it," Cruz told the South China Morning Post.

"This horse isn't fully mature, he is improving but still does things wrong and, when their rating rises so quickly, they have to race too soon against a higher class of competition.

"The way he races, he couldn't catch the horse on the speed at this level. To me, his performance was up to expectations.

"Mr Bogart is a good type of horse who will be out of Class Two now and Pakistan Star should get his chance to win again next time.

"We'll probably keep him at 1400m again and my opinion hasn't changed – this is still a promising, improving type of horse. I didn't give him this reputation so I'm not disappointed."

Pakistan Star ran his last 400 metres in 21.65 seconds.



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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 12:37pm
I agreed with Tony Cruz - 

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:


Has The Hawk has pointed out he will be forced into class 2 racing now. I have no doubt he will be better over further when he can tack onto the back of the field with out any effort.

It will be interesting to follow his career.

Personally I think he has been whacked up too much to 87, The form of that race suggested between 77-80. 87 is a massive whack. 

He will worth backing against next start. 


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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

As a punter, you have to take him on every start. $1.25 horses that miss the start by 5 lengths and have to circle the field cant keep winning......can they???
I backed Zac yesterday in the last. Best losing ride I have seen!


Giddy up. Lovely result with Mr Bogart.


Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 2:44pm
For the way the race was going to pan out and the quality of the winner I'm surprised the price Mr Bogart went around at


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 5:36pm
I wonder if they will consider racing this guy here or Dubai in March..?


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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 6:21pm
Not sure he has that sort of ability mate


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 6:23pm
looks good winning lower class races but put him in a G1 and he will be forever running on.


Posted By: doubledown
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 8:26pm
It's weird how he can't seem to keep up early even when they aren't flying along - makes me think it's more temperamental with him.

Will always be poison for punters but as a racing fan you couldn't sack a horse of this talent off 3 career starts.


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Posted By: JattSta
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 9:29pm
They don't come home like this horse does. WIth a bit more maturity it will only get better and better and better.



Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2016 at 10:29am
I think they'd be mad not to take a shot at one of the Dubai sprints over their March carnival..


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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2016 at 11:44am
Surely it races in the Derby in March


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 8:44pm
This is a seriously good race he is in tonight.




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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

This is a seriously good race he is in tonight.



Agree - wins tonight. Only 2nd time I am on him (backed at 2nd start)


Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:02pm
Don't think Eagle Way will jump at $15 again for a while


Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:03pm
horrible - sacked - never again - off to Singapore


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by Delta Deel Delta Deel wrote:

Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:


Does he need further? Something about him to me says 1400-1600 is his distance and 2000 will nullify the sprint. Time will tell I suppose.


The way he was off the bit for 800m of a 1400m race tells me he wants further!! Def bred to get over ground.


Still say he's no stayer.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:10pm
I think he will stay.

Get rid of all that crap on his head.

2000m will be perfect for him.




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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:14pm
Good point there djebel.


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:24pm
Horses with that racing pattern are always popular but often beaten, especially as they get up in grade. Consequently, massive unders.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:33pm
They need the pace on to perform at their optimum best but jocks won't hand it to him on a platter.imo.


Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Horses with that racing pattern are always popular but often beaten, especially as they get up in grade. Consequently, massive unders.

Winx used to be a last to first type. Trained to take up a position now and braining everything. Sometimes it's a matter of re-educating the horse.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 10:02pm
Not sure Winx was ever re-educated or trained to take up a position, they simply new how good she was and let her do what ever she wanted.




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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Horses with that racing pattern are always popular but often beaten, especially as they get up in grade. Consequently, massive unders.

Winx used to be a last to first type. Trained to take up a position now and braining everything. Sometimes it's a matter of re-educating the horse.
 
 
Please make that is the last time Winx and Pakistan Star are ever mentioned in the same sentence.......Shocked


Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 1:11pm
The most overated horse going around.

How do you retrain a horse that can't keep up with them over a mile exactly?


Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Horses with that racing pattern are always popular but often beaten, especially as they get up in grade. Consequently, massive unders.

Winx used to be a last to first type. Trained to take up a position now and braining everything. Sometimes it's a matter of re-educating the horse.
 
 
Please make that is the last time Winx and Pakistan Star are ever mentioned in the same sentence.......Shocked
I like Winx and Pakistan Star.


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 1:52pm
Winx is a far superior horse to Pakistan Star


Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Winx is a far superior horse to Pakistan Star
Reckon thats takes the Captain Obvious prize for today.  LOL


Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Winx is a far superior horse to Pakistan Star
Reckon thats takes the Captain Obvious prize for today.  LOL

Usain Bolt is faster over 100m than I am.


Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Winx is a far superior horse to Pakistan Star
Reckon thats takes the Captain Obvious prize for today.  LOL

Usain Bolt is faster over 100m than I am.
Just the 100m? Smile


Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 10:37pm
If Pakistan Star wins his next race he will have the same record after 6 starts as Winx...


Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 2:59pm
Phakistan star
 
bookies dream horse


Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2016 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

If Pakistan Star wins his next race he will have the same record after 6 starts as Winx...


with just a slight difference in achievements...


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2016 at 5:44pm
Drops back to 1400m in some low grade set weight race next start.



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Posted By: howard moon
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2016 at 11:44pm
Pretty sure the magic man will ride as well.


Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2016 at 10:20am
like the cricket team, looms up to win, yet falls short at the last hurdle


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 4:33pm
Moreira on and a comfortable win.


Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 5:01pm
Why does he start so short??

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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 5:02pm
Originally posted by Xavier Xavier wrote:

Why does he start so short??

Small field, Moreira on, crowd favorite, drop in class(?).


Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 5:05pm
Overrated hack IMO. Would be a 58 rater in Melbourne

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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 5:16pm
He is what he is. Not the horses fault every man and his dog hyped him up. These flash home types are always a crowd favorite as well as a bookmakers dream.


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 8:37am
Originally posted by Xavier Xavier wrote:

Overrated hack IMO. Would be a 58 rater in Melbourne


Overrated, yes probably.

Hack, no.


Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 9:42am
Put the 2nd horse away with after a nice little battle, long, long way back to 3rd. Nice win

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 10:48am
Things have certainly gotten a lot harder as they should do as he has stepped up in grade. 

At least today from gate 11 we are bound to see him taken back to the rear.

Good race.




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Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 3:32pm
Don't like him today, not just because of Rapper Dragon.


Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 9:19pm
Ridden super cold again but huge run.

Rapper Dragon is a serious horse.


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 9:26pm
Excellent run today form Pakistan. That was a serious race.


Posted By: JoanFerguson
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 10:03pm
Bring him to the Championships


Posted By: AdaHunta
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 2:09pm
Have had a piece at the $ 3.40 n boosted it to $ 3.80 for the QEII CUP tonight ...small field suits hes coming into this fresh and trialed super ....... Big talent this horse !! 


Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 4:14pm
Small field gives him the only chance he gets to win a big race


Posted By: The Stallion
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Small field gives him the only chance he gets to win a big race

Agreed.. Another over hyped, under priced horse.. Small field only chance, but I don't imagine it will matter.. Not good enough.


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 5:49pm
Pakistan Star is the only local with any chance in today's race.




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Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 5:54pm
I was a doubter early but he looks a good talent to me.

But you can't give G1 horses too much start like he does in big fields....gets his chance tonight in a smaller field.

I'm not on him i don't follow Honkers closely enough to bet but enjoy the big races/meetings.


Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Pakistan Star is the only local with any chance in today's race.




Is Werther not a local? He has the runs on the board and I see him as the only threat to the Japanese front runner. Pakistan Star barely out of restricted grade

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 6:05pm
Unless Bowman puts some tempo into the race himself I do not see Werther being suited.

This race looks to me to be a sit and sprint affair. Whilst Pakistan Star will be out the back off the pace he is easily the fastest horse in the race and will not be disadvantaged by a slow tempo.

Werther has been good to me, But I do not see today being suitable.




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Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 6:08pm
I think Werther will settle in the 1st 3.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by Delta Deel Delta Deel wrote:

I think Werther will settle in the 1st 3.

I think he will as well.

But will he be able to sprint when the speed goes on ?

At what point will the speed go on ?

Will somebody tempt fate and take off early, attempting to steal the race ?

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 9:02pm
think I read the race right but still got the result wrong LOL

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Posted By: AdaHunta
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Unless Bowman puts some tempo into the race himself I do not see Werther being suited.

This race looks to me to be a sit and sprint affair. Whilst Pakistan Star will be out the back off the pace he is easily the fastest horse in the race and will not be disadvantaged by a slow tempo.

Werther has been good to me, But I do not see today being suitable.


You were pretty much on the money they crawled early ...... just needed an extra 20m and Pakistan Star gets the chocolates !!! 


Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 01 May 2017 at 9:15pm
He couldn't go with them when the jap horse took off and pit some tempo on, looked to get a couple of lengths further back.

He ran well though and no doubt surprised a few who thought he wasn't upto it.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 01 May 2017 at 9:20pm
The QE II was a severely over-hyped race with just three genuine Gp 1 contestants at best.


Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 01 May 2017 at 9:34pm
I would say 1st 3 would be competitive in most 2000m races in the world.

Winner had an extremely high previous peak performance when beating superstar stallion Maurice. He ran well below that but was still good enough thanks to a brilliant ride from Joao

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Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 01 May 2017 at 10:27pm
The USA had been finishing on Hartnell's coat tails his last 2 runs in Oz and was belted.

I'd say Delta is spot on here, anything beating Maurice is quality.


Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 01 May 2017 at 11:20pm
The USA led and hanged on well which is against his usual pattern.

He is clearly out of form and to run so close (4-5 lenghts) means I cant rate the winners. The USA would be no sure thing at the moment to win a midweek on present form.


Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 01 May 2017 at 11:27pm
Hong Kong form is overrated imo. There's been a number of handy aussie horses go there and do much better than expected in their big races.



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