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Topic: Matt Cumani
Posted By: Beliskner
Subject: Matt Cumani
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 1:42am
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Training out of Ballarat, only had 8 starts so far with his first winner Friday at Bendigo, with OTR giving him two horses, a new import [Our Covenanat] and a former one [Lunayir]. I assume his related to Luca Cumani? Interesting with him and Archie Alexander out here, i wonder if we will see any other younger guys coming over from Europe to school the local guys in how to train stayers? |
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:13am
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Luca ,s son. AND, Francesca,s brother !!  ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:36am
| Not like Archie Alexander is exactly schooling the locals so far. |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:48am
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Maybe i'm giving them a little credit in advance, but given how most of our trainers can't develop stayers, these two don't have to do a whole lot to surpass most locals, and also it's not like their getting premium yearlings or imports. OTR could change that very quickly, however. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 11:34am
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We don't have the same training facilities to develop stayers on the track as Europe does! ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 11:59am
| We do, which is why Cumani is training at Ballarat with its mile (?) uphill run |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 1:59pm
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That's one track out of how many crappy ones? Owners also want quick returns and the programming is not suited to progressing stayers through the grades - saying a couple of European silver spoon kids are going to show locals how it's done is insulting! ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:03pm
Bart didn't do a bad job on Oz training tracks nor does Waller seem to be struggling too much 
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:12pm
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Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:28pm
This is the problem right here, it's not with our trainers. |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 3:22pm
Archie Alexander has had OTI horses since he started here, done nothing with them. I'd say he's getting pretty nice horses considering he hasn't done anything.
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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 3:24pm
| Archie won a listed race early days I think. Sandown Cup maybe |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 3:30pm
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Reportedly hard on them in training. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 3:49pm
Without a shadow of a doubt you're correct there as well, it's all slipper slipper will go early charade. ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 4:21pm
| Appreciate your response Linghi,yes and they all want it yesterday the days of a trainer saying to an old cocky , "Bought you a nice Colt mate ,may need a bit of time" Cocky "yeah, send him up , I'll get him broken in and nut him and give him 6months up here" .no mention of training fees because the pressure was not there ,the romance is drifting out of racing lack of foresight and patience Regards |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 4:25pm
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The breeders breed for the sale ring (don't agree with the practice but they are in the business to make money) and as the buyers want fast maturing types that is what you get. Otherwise Australian breeders would all go broke and we'd import everything from overseas. That would be a bad error as we do breed good horses. Speed isn't bad - every horse be it sprinter or stayer need that. There are still plenty of studs standing staying breed horses or Derby winners or Cup winners. But are they selling - not really. So the vast majority of bigger studs keep mostly sprinting types maybe a miler of two and one stayer as a also ran. Not the stayers fault, just the way the modern market is. Get the stayers from overseas as older horses and you can run straight away (or usually the next year to get them aclimatized). With a yearly you have to wait at least two years and probably more before you get any runs on the board.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 4:26pm
| That should read yearling! |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 5:52pm
| I don't mind speed either Furious,There is no greater admirer of Star Kingdom than me .,and I rode enough of them,but when l have a piece of steak I like to have something with it .We were importing a lot of our stallions from o/s up to 1965,and I don't know of studs going broke then .Getting stayers from o/s that's OK as long as you don't get your fingers burnt.,aka LW and others.I was only responding to this thread to defend previous posts that OZ trainers could not train stayers .I wish blokes like George Hanlon were here to knock that theory into a cocked hat. |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:03pm
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Gai won a Melbourne Cup ... it's definitely not about how they are trained. ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Atreus
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:33pm
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Australian racing is all about sprinting. Sydney races often have only 1 staying race per meeting. Melbourne might have 2 staying races per meeting. If most of your races are sprints then of course most of your horses will be sprinters UK & Irish racing is quite different. They seem more into jumps racing than flat racing for starters. They have thousands of jumps races over very long distances each season. So of course they will have a breed more suited to longer races I doubt it has much to do with the trainers but is more to do with the different nature of the racing |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:12pm
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I know 2yo racing isn't the best example, but i can think of only literally one 2yo race over 1600m here, it's an 1800m race in Sydney near the end of the season, where in UK they have plenty 2yo races over 1600m, and i think Japan have a 2yo black type race over 2200m. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:34pm
| Fern hill hcp Champagne stk. both at Randwick. Gibson Carmicheal Flemington. JJ Atkins Brisbane. All 1600 for 2yo |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:37pm
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I'm talking over 1600m. |
Posted By: Morston
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:53pm
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1600 m is not a staying race....nor is anything up to 2400m....they are considered middle distance races in Europe. Staying races start at 2800 m which is the distance of the UK St. Leger (mile and 6 furlongs) |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:15pm
| who said anything about 1600 mt being staying races .In 70 's Japan spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the best staying blood in the world and therein lie's the tale why they can run a2yo over that ,distance .As for a mile and half not being a staying distance. Well you say tomato and I say tomayto Regards |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:25pm
| A 2400m race is considered a staying event in every major racing country in the world. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:54pm
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thanks for the backup Second Chance
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:05pm
I heard recently a UK commentator visiting noting how foreign the concept of syndicates was to him because in the UK it is mostly just one owner. I think the flood of syndicators in the last decade or two has meant a big market for speed horses they can get to the races a.s.a.p. I find the people who own them by themselves are more interested in the long term, taking it slow and getting results down the road.
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Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:22pm
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Single owners are more common then out here, they are generally pretty wealthy [obviously] but plenty of people race in groups, i know a number of UK based persons who do. We have people like Harvey who is tied into that many horses it's ridiculous, some he owns outright but some he has 5% or 10%. We just don't have our really rich people heavily involved, it's a little before my time, but from what i understand Packer didn't just buy up a whole bunch of horses, even though he could've brought every horse in Australia if he had wanted too. Then you had Tinkler, who had may hundred by then time he got his stallions going, he had a ton of mares solely going to his stallions. Give me 100 million and i'd be happy to step up and take his place, without the going broke part. |
Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:30pm
To be fair to Morston having lived in the UK for 25 years their racing community believe staying races commence at the St Leger distance and upwards |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:39pm
C. |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:53pm
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We don't do the whole National Hunt thing out here, so when you put that in with other racing too you can kind of see where people might get that idea, but out here staying is definitely considered 2000m+ |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 11:34pm
| James Packers ,Frank paid 6000guineas for the Pinza-Method Colt at the Sydney Easter Sale in1956. Topped the sale Pinza English Derby winner .The foal came in Uturo. (If that's the right word) I know I saw him ,sadly lacked talent, father Kerry owned good horse Foresight won many, he was by Wilkes..FR . |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 11:35pm
| Grandad |
Posted By: Morston
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 11:50pm
Indeed....and that is where I live now...20 minutes from Newmarket  The St Leger is the final classic of the season for 3yo. I have never heard the Derby (2400m) referred to as a 'staying' race There are quite a few 2yo races run at 2000 m (mile and 2 furlongs) towards the end of the season. A mile and a half race (2400m) is considered middle distance. |
Posted By: Morston
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 11:52pm
Can't edit  Meant to say that a mile and a half is considered middle distance regardless of it's official designation. |
Posted By: Morston
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 12:15am
Here is just one example where a mile and a half is considered middle distance https://www.ascot.co.uk/History-King-George |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 4:07am
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May have been wrong about the 2200m black type Japan race. Kyoto - Nov 26th - 2000m Group 3 Nakayama - Dec 25th - 2000m Group 2 Saint-Cloud - Late Nov - 2000m Group 1 - Criterium de Saint-Cloud Newmarket - October - 2000m Listed - Zetland Stakes England - 2 2000m Maidens and 1 2000m Nursery |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 6:51pm
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Getting back to Francesca's brother... |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 8:32pm
Matt Cumani puts on a city Show
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The https://www.racing.com/trainers/matt-cumani" rel="nofollow - Matt Cumani ball is well and truly rolling in Victoria, the Ballarat-based trainer getting his first metro winner with https://www.racing.com/horses/show-a-star" rel="nofollow - Show A Star at Caulfield. The ex- https://www.racing.com/trainers/gai-waterhouse" rel="nofollow - Gai Waterhouse -trained galloper has had two starts for Cumani, 35, and after threatening to be his first overall winner first-up at Geelong in April, Show A Star became his third when honouring $5 favouritism in the https://www.racing.com/form/2016-05-14/caulfield/race/5/results" rel="nofollow - Peter Jackson Handicap (1400m). Cumani said he couldn't believe he was already a winning trainer in metro company - coming just 44 days after having his first runner on April 1. "I thought it might take me a little longer to get a Saturday winner at Caulfield, but I'll take it," Cumani said. "I feel silly saying it hasn't sunk in, I'm not an Olympic athlete or anything like that, but for me, it's a big milestone. "I hope they [metro winners] will be common in the future, but for now, it feels like a huge step from where I have been a few days ago, a few weeks ago and six months ago."
Cumani, who has 12 boxes at his disposal but will have 40 by year’s end with more being built at Ballarat, paid due credit to https://www.racing.com/jockeys/jordan-childs" rel="nofollow - Jordan Childs for his winning ride. Childs has three rides for two wins aboard the four-year-old gelding, also winning for Waterhouse on Ballarat Cup Day. Cumani said Childs' decision to take a sit behind the leaders vindicated his pre-race thoughts. "Jordan rode a beautiful race, as I was desperate to see what he'd do in behind," the son of legendary trainer Luca said. "I said if you can't get the lead, don't panic, he'll settle I'm sure. "At home, he settles in gallops. "He got him going nice and early, and he was gutsy right to the line." Childs' only non-winning ride on the horse was in a 2040m race at Moonee Valley - the last run under Waterhouse - and Cumani said Gai advised him her belief now that the mile was his best trip. That option looks to be the next step in Show A Star's progression. And for Cumani, he has gone from getting his training licence at Christmas, to his first runner on April 1, to his first city winner 44 days later. Talk about fast tracks, Cumani's training career has been on one. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 1:24am
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Cumani said Childs' decision to take a sit behind the leaders vindicated his pre-race thoughts. "Jordan rode a beautiful race, as I was desperate to see what he'd do in behind," the son of legendary trainer Luca said. "I said if you can't get the lead, don't panic, he'll settle I'm sure. "At home, he settles in gallops. Wow, not only got one of her escapees to settle, but also to win without leading ... is that even possible? ... AND he only charges 10%, AND he pays for his own airline tickets ... unheard of!!! ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 2:11am
Staying racing in Australia is anything beyond 1400m. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 10:56am
| No it isn't. Staying in Aus is 2000+ |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 1:50pm
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Not only is their no national hunt, our hurdling side has diminished more and more, and we're now seeing these import stayers who don't measure up on the flat going over them, which in the short term is probably going to stabilize the hurdling industry. I haven't heard much about the protestors this year, are they still being as much of a nuisance as they always are? |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 1:55pm
They're alive & kicking on FB along with their normal non factual rants e.g. pic of Bashboy supposedly depicting Tuscan Falls  Also making good use of their new whizz bang ultra long lensed camera to get footage from off course. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 2:10pm
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More horses die in top notch stud farm paddocks then over hurdles, these guys are loonies, why don't they go harass the RSPCA about doing their job properly. |
Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 6:26pm
he's had more wins that Gai |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 6:26pm
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Great to be born into money... Victorian taxpayer Ballarat club build you a $1.25M training complex. What a turn out ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 6:56pm
| Perverse |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:21pm
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Business is about making money & only a couple of years ago, the BTC was a long way in the red. I've no idea how this is progressing but the more trainers they can attract, the better their book balance & with strong competition from Pakenham & Cranbourne, every effort needs to be made, silver spoon or otherwise. The media love DKW & now have Cumani to fawn over as long as winners continue to flow so I imagine building more boxes to be money well spent. As an aside, I saw the blueprint for these stables & more, many years ago. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:52pm
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And his a young trainer, from overseas, which gives him an appeal and decent potential to grow his stable numbers, especially if he proves a decent trainer with stayers and imports. |
Posted By: Bi Carb
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:54pm
I nearly f**king vomited when I read this Dead set , you have to be a cheat or 'in the club' to kick on in Vic.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:05pm
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I'm all for building more stables - everywhere and for everyone - I'm sure there's plenty of young local trainers who would have appreciated a tenth of this opportunity. Media would fawn over anything remotely related to Francesca even if it trained out of the standard stables that everyone else has to use! ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:13pm
So what exactly is involved in this training complex ? Have they learnt anything from Japanese and European training complexes ? What sort of tracks do they have ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:15pm
Stables ? Is that what this is about ? I doubt it makes too much difference to the horses if they are air conditioned 7 star stables if the training tracks are the same stupid garbage we see at all the other training centres around this Nation. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:20pm
| On what basis does a government - esp a Labor govt - and a racing club provide funds for infrastructure for the exclusive use of "one" person/business? |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:25pm
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I would have thought that the MRC as the most progressive club in AUS would have tied him up. Clever move by Ballarat - will make the money back but must feel for other trainers.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:31pm
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Are you certain what you're maintaining is correct 3bm? You may well be correct, however my understanding is that the design overlay for the new stabling complex provides for multi-trainer use.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:32pm
| If the tracks training wise are that bad why are o/s trainers coming here .sh$thouse stake money where they were , or is it stability. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:34pm
| Last post for djebel. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:38pm
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That is how I read this SC: http://https://www.racing.com/news/2016-05-27/ballarat-the-clear-choice-for-cumani" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.racing.com/news/2016-05-27/ballarat-the-clear-choice-for-cumani Surely there's something missing from the story. If not we are entitled to be be appalled.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:40pm
That link is not opening 3bm. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:42pm
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It's not soo much as building a ton of boxes, but having the initial facilities set up so it is easy to construct additional boxes over time as they are required, and planning out locations to maximize potential growth in trainers and boxes in the long term. I hope they have done that at Pakenham, as despite it being in the middle of nowhere, long term i can see it heading towards Cranbourne's level, and in 15-20 years it won't be as in the middle of nowhere as it is now, Tynong, Nar Nar Goon etc should slowly develop as they max out in Pakenham and Officer areas. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:44pm
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http://rv.racing.com/news/2016-05-27/ballarat-funding" rel="nofollow - https://rv.racing.com/news/2016-05-27/ballarat-funding Ballarat Turf Club will be host to a world-class stable as part of a major upgrade from the Andrews Labor Government - attracting international investment and boosting local jobs to the region. Minister for Regional Development Jaala Pulford today announced the Government’s $300,000 investment in the $1.25 million project with Minister for Racing Martin Pakula. “The new Horse Trainer Precinct project is great news for the community of Ballarat. The facility will generate investment in the region, create 15 new jobs and cement the Club’s position as a centre for racing excellence in Victoria,” the Hon Jaala Pulford said. “Through our $500 million Regional Jobs and Infrastructure Fund, we’re investing in projects like the Ballarat Turf Club’s new Horse Trainer Precinct to support important infrastructure upgrades, creating jobs and build stronger, more resilient regional communities.” The new Horse Trainer Precinct project has attracted internationally renowned thoroughbred trainer, Matt Cumani, who intends to lease the stables, creating 15 new jobs, with the potential to create up to 30 jobs over the next three years. The project includes:
Roads, power, water supply and landscaping The Ballarat Turf Club is already among the state’s top five training centres due to its high quality facilities and the large number of horses starting in races. The Club hosts approximately 30 race meetings each year and generates $3.5 million annually. It is also vital to the Central Highlands region’s racing activities which generate $59.9 million every year. The Government recognises Ballarat Turf Club’s position as the centre of the region’s significant equine industry and its key role as the host of large-scale community events including the popular Ballarat Cup. The Government is committed to supporting the sustainable growth of important employment centres like the Ballarat Turf Club through its $500 million Regional Jobs and Infrastructure Fund. “We’re proud to support the Ballarat Turf Club as it continues to grow and innovate. The facility is great news for the club,” the Hon Martin Pakula said. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:50pm
Ballarat the clear choice for CumaniTom Biddington When https://www.racing.com/trainers/matt-cumani" rel="nofollow - Matt Cumani was deciding where to set up his stables, there was plenty of interest from New South Wales and Victoria. But the rising star of the turf says the decision was easy - Ballarat was where he wanted to be. The biggest step of that commitment was finalised on Friday when the Ballarat Turf Club announced the development of a new $1.25m training centre - which will be the home of Cumani Racing. Cumani, who is the son of highly successful https://www.racing.com/trainers/luca-cumani-gb" rel="nofollow - European trainer Luca and the brother of media personality Francesca, first toured the Ballarat training facilities with OTI Racing’s Terry Henderson four years ago and was immediately impressed. While the bright lights of Sydney were hard to ignore, Cumani loved what Ballarat had to offer and figured if it’s good enough for https://www.racing.com/trainers/darren-weir" rel="nofollow - Darren Weir , it is good enough for him. “It was a clear choice for me, the choice of tracks - the uphill track and the more traditional Australian racetrack-style tracks,” Cumani said. “The environment, the location - it’s close to a lot of other country tracks to Victoria and close to Melbourne. “The atmosphere here, the other trainers - it’s just the perfect spot if you ask me.” The facility will feature 40 boxes and is being paid for by the Ballarat Turf Club, along with $300,000 from the Victorian Government through the Regional Jobs and Infrastructure Fund. Cumani has committed to the training centre for five years, but hopes to be there much longer than that. “It’s not my stable, it is Ballarat Turf Club’s and I’ll just be the first tenant, which is a huge honour and makes me very proud,” Cumani said. “Hopefully I can do well - it’s a huge step between winning one race at Caulfield to actually making a proper success of it as a business. “Hopefully if I can keep the winners coming in, it’ll keep rolling.” Cumani only began training two months ago and has tasted success early, notching up his first city winner with https://www.racing.com/horses/show-a-star" rel="nofollow - Show A Star at Caulfield. The talented four-year-old is striving to make it back-to-back wins https://www.racing.com/form/2016-05-28/ladbrokes-park-lakeside" rel="nofollow - at Ladbrokes Park Lakeside on Saturday and Cumani is confident he’ll run well, despite a wide barrier. “I think he’s got a great chance, particularly if what https://www.racing.com/jockeys/stephen-baster" rel="nofollow - Stephen Baster tells me (is right) - that he’s better on soft ground,” he said. “He’s a very versatile horse in terms of how he runs his race - he can lead or he can sit in behind. “I think we’ll try not to get stuck too far back and go from there.” ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:51pm
https://www.racing.com/news/2016-05-27/ballarat-the-clear-choice-for-cumani" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/news/2016-05-27/ballarat-the-clear-choice-for-cumani
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Ballarat the clear choice for CumaniPosted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:59pm
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So does Ballarat own it outright, or in conjunction with the state government? |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:08pm
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It appears evident to me that the new complex will be the home of Cumani Racing, along with other trainers who choose to relocate/train there. The stables from my reading would be owned by the Ballarat Club. Differing opinion invited. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:22pm
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Correct, they're leased off the club as are all the on site complexes. The City Of B'rat has huge plans for a large area adjacent to Dowling Forest including the inability to sell any blocks of land 4ha or less to anyone but a horse trainer. Someone came round a few weeks ago for me to sign a petition against this, tho' it's apparently been passed. Obviously this devalues land markedly. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:57pm
They can't do that. Do you have a pro bono lawyer? You could probably find the legislation yourself with a "quick" Google search. ------------- “The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence. ” ― V.C. King |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 10:01pm
| What part of "Cumani Racing (Aus) Proposed Stable Complex Ballarat Turf Club" (plan image) and “It’s not my stable, it is Ballarat Turf Club’s and I’ll just be the first tenant, which is a huge honour and makes me very proud,” Cumani said leads you to your conclusion SC? |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 10:36pm
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Cumani the next Gai spin spin spin
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 12:51pm
He has a runner at Port Augusta this weekend ?!? Long way to go, must be a good thing
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 1:09pm
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Won before a spell in South Australia with Darren Magro as trainer. Four unsuccessful runs for Matt so suspect it might now be back with Darren.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 2:04pm
Spring carnival 2016: Matt Cumani relying on the best for Melbourne CupPatrick Bartley Matt Cumani is better placed than most to comment on the raging debate between how Australian horse trainers prepare their distance horses as against their fellow horseman in Europe. As the son of highly successful trainer Luca Cumani, Matt Cumani has tasted both methods of getting your racehorse to run a distance. Cumani, 35, maintains that in some instances Australians prepare their horse similarly to English and Irish trainers. "It's often referred to as the Aussie way of putting speed into their legs, but giving riding instructions to gallop a horse over seven furlongs and go home hard the final two furlongs is pretty much world standard," he said. "They worked them that way in Sydney, Melbourne, and Newmarket. In fact it's a fairly standard approach to preparing race horses." Cumani has moved to Ballarat and has established his own training base and believes there are only a few telling differences in how trainers make stayers perform at there best. Cumani has a Melbourne Cup runner this year, Grey Lion, who has enjoyed the best of both worlds. "It's just those subtle differences really when two horses gallop here, they leave the track straight away and while they're still blowing they will be hosed down, scraped and sent back to their box," Cumani said. "But, in contrast, in England after our horses are worked they will take a leisurely hour walk home. And that's the way of finding out little idiosyncrasies and also goes a long way to keep them relaxed and enjoy what they are doing. But it's labour intensive because if you have 100 horses in work in England, you need perhaps 30 or 40 track workers to make the operation tick. "And that's a luxury that in Australia we can't afford. It's very expensive to hire so many extra riders that it's just not worth it." Cumani believes that staying horses are unnecessarily put into shorter races in Australia on their way to their favourite distance journeys which may be 2000 metres or beyond. Cumani points out that there is no need to have horses start preparations at 1400 metres, then 1600, and then to their favourite distance. "I just get concerned that you start them at a distance a lot shorter than they are used to and they can become exhausted because of the taxing effects of racing at an unsuitable trip and they struggle to get their stride and rhythm," he said. "That's why in Europe horses go straight into 2000-metre races or beyond. It's feared that the horses become uncertain of what they are doing racing at a short distance. "And then the next time they come to the races they don't know what to do and they want to get the race over as quickly as possible so then you've got a horse that over races and pulls hard." Cumani maintains that Australian racing has incredible upsides at this time of year with the attention being solely focused on the sport. "When the major races are on in England you don't have soccer fans instantly becoming taken with racing. The sport in England is a niche sport," he said. "But in Australia it's quite different, football fans begin to embrace racing as soon as the footy is over and the sport and the sporting landscape is all racing." And his hopes of winning a Melbourne Cup with Grey Lion may rely on the best of both worlds when preparing a stayer to win Australia's most important handicap. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 2:16pm
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Matt Cumani is better placed than most to comment on the raging debate between how Australian horse trainers prepare their distance horses as against their fellow horseman in Europe. As the son of highly successful trainer Luca Cumani, Matt Cumani has tasted both methods of getting your racehorse to run a distance. Cumani, 35, maintains that in some instances Australians prepare their horse similarly to English and Irish trainers. "It's often referred to as the Aussie way of putting speed into their legs, but giving riding instructions to gallop a horse over seven furlongs and go home hard the final two furlongs is pretty much world standard," he said. "They worked them that way in Sydney, Melbourne, and Newmarket. In fact it's a fairly standard approach to preparing race horses." Cumani has moved to Ballarat and has established his own training base and believes there are only a few telling differences in how trainers make stayers perform at there best. Cumani has a Melbourne Cup runner this year, Grey Lion, who has enjoyed the best of both worlds. "It's just those subtle differences really when two horses gallop here, they leave the track straight away and while they're still blowing they will be hosed down, scraped and sent back to their box," Cumani said. "But, in contrast, in England after our horses are worked they will take a leisurely hour walk home. And that's the way of finding out little idiosyncrasies and also goes a long way to keep them relaxed and enjoy what they are doing. But it's labour intensive because if you have 100 horses in work in England, you need perhaps 30 or 40 track workers to make the operation tick. "And that's a luxury that in Australia we can't afford. It's very expensive to hire so many extra riders that it's just not worth it." Cumani believes that staying horses are unnecessarily put into shorter races in Australia on their way to their favourite distance journeys which may be 2000 metres or beyond. Cumani points out that there is no need to have horses start preparations at 1400 metres, then 1600, and then to their favourite distance. "I just get concerned that you start them at a distance a lot shorter than they are used to and they can become exhausted because of the taxing effects of racing at an unsuitable trip and they struggle to get their stride and rhythm," he said. "That's why in Europe horses go straight into 2000-metre races or beyond. It's feared that the horses become uncertain of what they are doing racing at a short distance. "And then the next time they come to the races they don't know what to do and they want to get the race over as quickly as possible so then you've got a horse that over races and pulls hard." Cumani maintains that Australian racing has incredible upsides at this time of year with the attention being solely focused on the sport. "When the major races are on in England you don't have soccer fans instantly becoming taken with racing. The sport in England is a niche sport," he said. "But in Australia it's quite different, football fans begin to embrace racing as soon as the footy is over and the sport and the sporting landscape is all racing." And his hopes of winning a Melbourne Cup with Grey Lion may rely on the best of both worlds when preparing a stayer to win Australia's most important handicap. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 2:31pm
| Would have been a great learning curve for Matt if he spent some time with Bart, he may have noticed that because a stayer races first up, second up, not at Barts would you scrub the ears off them early , if so you wouldn't last long, teach them to settle and let them work home, if they arrive so be it, Barts horses walked 2 kl to the track and we're always cooled down and then another 2 kl home, you don't train 12 if your doing it wrong, yes there are many variances training horses, and staff has always popped up when comparing different approaches, but it's always nice to hear another persons point of view. |
Posted By: Bi Carb
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 9:59pm
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I will back Bart He did it and forget more than this silver spooner will ever know
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Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 11:25pm
| Do you want to try that again in English? |
Posted By: MJM
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2016 at 11:45am
They are actually a lovely family , and ver hard working not sure silver spooner is a good tag for him |
Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 6:34pm
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Cumani seems to be continuing to train The Grey Lion out of Werribee, instead of taking him home to Ballarat. Would that be so that the horse doesn't get disturbed during his preparation for the Melbourne Cup? Or has he moved him to Ballarat, but still takes him to Werribee to work? ------------- TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 9:36am
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This business with the strangles is reading like the young fella took it upon himself to act, rather than follow procedure. News from racing.com https://www.racing.com/news/2016-11-24/strangles-quarantine-for-cumani-wardeiner-stables" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/news/2016-11-24/strangles-quarantine-for-cumani-wardeiner-stables Statement from RV: https://rv.racing.com/news/2016-11-24/rv-stewards-report---ballarat-strangles-case" rel="nofollow - https://rv.racing.com/news/2016-11-24/rv-stewards-report---ballarat-strangles-case
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Posted By: The Insider
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 6:11pm
| He has made a very serious mistake if he tried to keep it quiet. Could have shut down Ballarat. Rookie trainer |
Posted By: deejays destiny
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 6:17pm
| Don't think that is what happened |
Posted By: The Insider
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 9:39pm
Really ?? The stewards have begun an investigation into the cause of the infection, and the timing of the notification of the infection, or suspected infection, by Cumani |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2016 at 10:53pm
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From my understanding they only diagnosed the horse on the day the stewards were told, it had shown some symptoms for a couple of weeks but wasn't diagnosed until Wed/Thurs. |
Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2016 at 7:31am
That's right, they have started an investigation. Leave it to one of the forum's resident know it alls to assume the outcome of said investigation. |
Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 8:06pm
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I'm rather surprised that there has only been one reported case so far, as it is highly contagious and the impression was that the horse had had it for 2-3 weeks before diagnosed. ------------- TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 11:13am
Perhaps there's a gap in the standard protocol, possibly exacerbated by the vacant vet position at HQ, and Matt is just the unlucky one to stumble across it.
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Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 2:27pm
If that's the case, with RV investigating themselves, there'll be no negative outcome as far as those protocols go
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Posted By: The Insider
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 10:32am
I hope your comment wasn't aimed at me BK. my last paragraph was copied from press release, not my words |
Posted By: JoanFerguson
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2017 at 5:43pm
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Massive performance for a stable that's been in lock down and unable to work horses 2000m on 13 November, straight into a 2400m on January 1. Wins both comfortably. MR COYNE4yo Bay or Brown GeldingD.O.B: 26-Sep-2012 by RESET from RICH RUBY RED http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/PedigreeSearch.aspx?horseName=Mr+Coyne&sireName=Reset&damName=Rich+Ruby+Red" rel="nofollow - 5x Pedigree Report
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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 4:56pm
| I just received my email update from the syndicator regarding our mare that is now in work with Matt. Must say he is an impressive young man and knows what he is doing. Can't wait to see our mare back from her tendon troubles with him in the next few weeks. She's having a typical English prep and will be racing in a month or so |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 1:14pm
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He has an interesting first starter over a mile in a maiden race 1 at Bendigo - Golden Authority that seems to be being backed off the map. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
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