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Topic: Jameka
Posted By: Gay3
Subject: Jameka
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2015 at 11:04am
Wow!!! No thread yet?

Jameka too strong in VRC Crown Oaks

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Damien Oliver has posted his fourth VRC Oaks win after Jameka ploughed through a rain-sodden Flemington track to outstay her rivals in the $1 million Classic.

Put on the speed right from the start, Jameka raced outside the leader Muzyka for most of the race before taking the front at the 500m.

Jameka was momentarily challenged by Wakeful Stakes winner Ambience before she drew away for a decisive win over Sydney filly Honesta.

Damien Oliver wins aboard Jameka.

Damien Oliver wins aboard Jameka. Photo: Getty Images

Ambience held down the minor placing.

"I had a lot of faith in this filly's staying ability," Oliver said.

"She was going too easy a long way from home. I had to let her go."

Oliver said Ciaron Maher had trained Jameka to the minute.

"She's had a faultless preparation," he said.

"Credit to Ciaron Maher and the staff. Nothing's gone wrong for her. We thought early she had Oaks day written all over her and it's great when a plan comes together."

For Oliver, the win was his 107th at Group 1 level while Maher is celebrating successive VRC Oaks victories after last year's success with Set Square.


Victoria Oaks 2015: Ciaron Maher and Damien Oliver tag team delivers with Jameka

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ust in case anyone needed reminding, this is still Damien Oliver's patch.

On the same day Jim Cassidy rode off into the sunset – "someone I've looked up to ... or maybe looked down to" – this was Oliver's statement of intent. I'm going to ride the race I want and catch me if you can. Almost inevitably, they couldn't.

Once Oliver found the lead they were never going to mow down Jameka in the Victoria Oaks on Thursday.

Sweet success: Damien Oliver rides Jameka to victory in the Oaks Day at Flemington.

Sweet success: Damien Oliver rides Jameka to victory in the Oaks Day at Flemington. Photo: Getty Images

Old man river seems like he has been drinking out of the fountain of youth lately. Ciaron Maher is a fountain of youth training like an old man river with half-a-century of tricks. The perfect light and shade.

"It's extraordinary because he's come from almost obscurity in such a quick time at such a young age," Oliver said of Maher, who won his second straight Victoria Oaks after Set Square's win last year. "I just think his laid back attitude is a great quality to have.

"A lot of trainers' demeanour and attitudes come through in their horses. You can see that with him. He's pretty laid back and laconic and it's a good quality to have."

The same can be said about Oliver. For all the white noise that often surrounds Oliver, nothing ever seems to dent his unflinching neve when on horseback. This major, group 1 win No.107, was a perfect testament to that.

Typically, Oliver refused to be drawn into his place in the racing pantheon. Just a "great to still be competing at the highest level" was his offering to pressmen. But his ability to identify one has never diminished, evidenced by his first musing to Maher that Jameka would be an Oaks filly when riding her at trackwork as a two-year-old.

Maher mused he might have to talk to Oliver about his tactics in the Victoria Oaks, which had his rivals chasing a long way from home. The man on top knew what he had underneath him.

Now it is time for everyone else to start wondering how good will Maher actually be?

"There's nothing better than winning a big race during the Flemington carnival," Maher said. "It's what racing is all about. I'm just thrilled. To be able to do it for the second year it's just amazing. They're two high-quality horses and she [Jameka] has got a bright career ahead of her."

Having already beaten the boys this spring, including Victoria Derby hero Tarzino, Jameka could safely be thrown into the cups equation next spring. And her owners, the majority of whom race Regina Coeli, which won the Grand Annual Steeplechase this year, can start believing.

"It's been an exceptional year for the fillies and they've been competitive against the boys," Maher said. "To win a Grand Annual for them was such a huge thrill and to back it up so quickly in the spring ... I can't believe it.

Having kicked clear at the top of the straight, Oliver would have heard the fast-approaching Ambience, a winner of the Wakeful Stakes on Saturday, loom near the furlong pole.

But just as there looked like there might have been a challenge, Jameka swatted them away like Oliver has done year after year.

Honesta wound up late to finish two-and-a-quarter lengths away in second with Ambience a further one-and-a-quarter lengths away in third.

"There was just no speed and they walked up front," lamented Honesta's trainer John Thompson.

Added Ambience's assistant trainer Darren Beadman: "She was enormous and she had to do all the donkey work to take them up to the leader and by the time she got there she had fired all her bullets."

Hugh Bowman copped a 12-day suspension for causing interference on Pasadena Girl and will miss his first week of a short-term contract in Japan.


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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2015 at 11:27am
Great ride, great training, classy horse beautifully turned out on a woeful track. 


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2015 at 11:38am

JAMEKA (AUS)
Bay filly 2012 
Myboycharlie
Bay 2005
Danetime
Bay 1994
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Allegheny River
Bay 1987
Lear Fan
Bay 1981
Roberto
Wac
1969
1969
12-c
20>
Allesheny
Chestnut 1982
Be My Guest
Bold Sands
1974
1977
8-c
4-r
Dulceata
Bay 1988
Rousillon
Bay or brown 1981
Riverman
Bay 1969
Never Bend
River Lady
1960
1963
19-b
10-a
Belle Dorine
Bay 1977
Marshua's Dancer
Palsy Walsy
1968
1960
16>
8-k
Snowtop
Bay 1983
Thatching
Bay 1975
Thatch
Abella
1970
1968
5-h
5-h
Icing
Bay 1973
Prince Tenderfoot
Cake
1967
1967
8-c
13-e
Mine Game
Chestnut 2005
General Nediym
Chestnut 1994
Nediym
Bay 1985
Shareef Dancer
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Sweet Alliance
1961
1974
2-d
4-r
Nilmeen
Chestnut 1973
Right Royal
Nasreen
1958
1964
3-f
9-c
Military Belle
Bay 1988
Without Fear
Bay 1967
Baldric
Never Too Late
1961
1957
13-c
4-c
Reticella
Brown 1981
In the Purple
Frill
1966
1969
11-d
10-d
Aperto
Chestnut 1994
Grosvenor
Bay 1979
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
My Tricia
Brown 1974
Hermes
Gay Poss
1963
1966
11-d
8>
Pathos
Chestnut 1984
The Minstrel
Chestnut 1974
Northern Dancer
Fleur
1961
1964
2-d
8-f
Warfever
Chestnut 1975
Luthier
War Path
1965
1963
14-c
1-e
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m,5m


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2015 at 11:38am

Jameka Wears the ‘Crown’ in Oaks

by John Berry

Rick Jamieson of Gilgai Farm in Victoria will always be remembered as the breeder of Black Caviar (Aus) (Bel Esprit {Aus}). That outstanding sprinter, though, is not his only credit, his other proteges including her top-class half-brother All Too Hard (Aus) (Casino Prince {Aus}).

As he is accustomed to breeding good horses, it is possible that when Jamieson sold a Myboycharlie (Ire) filly from his mare Mine Game (Aus) (General Nediym {Aus}) at Melbourne’s Premier Yearling Sale in March 2014 for A$130,000 to successful Victorian trainer Ciaron Maher, he might have envisaged the filly playing a starring role at a future VRC Carnival at Flemington. If he did, one might presume that he might have been thinking that she could feature in one of the sprints, bearing in mind that her sire and both her grandsires–Danetime (Ire) and General Nediym (Aus)–had been high-class sprinters, and that her dam had recorded her only victory over 1400 meters.

This filly, now named Jameka (Aus), has indeed found stardom at the Carnival at Flemington as a 3-year-old, but not as a sprinter. Many Victoria Oaks winners are fast, classy fillies who somehow stretch their speed out far enough to maintain their dominance over more dour rivals over the searching 2500-meter course. Not Jameka, though: her Victoria Oaks victory was all about stamina as she beat off the challengers to hit the line strongly in the style of a top-class stayer.

At first glance, Jameka’s powers of endurance might appear to have sprung out of nowhere. If we dig a bit deeper, though, they are easy to understand, because she comes from a family rich with high-class stamina.

Jameka’s third dam Pathos (The Minstrel) arrived in New Zealand in the late 1980s. At that time, New Zealand still stood proud as a source of high-class stayers. Pathos, a winner over 10 furlongs in England in 1987 when trained by Barry Hills, was a perfect addition to that country’s herd. She was by the 1977 G1 Derby and G1 Irish Derby winner The Minstrel from Warfever (Fr), a Grade I-winning daughter of the top-class French horse Luthier (Fr). Furthermore, this was a family which was serving Warfever’s owner Daniel Wildenstein particularly well, providing him with some of his best middle-distance horses including Warfever’s half-sister Waya (Fr), a daughter of the top-class miler Faraway Son who won the G3 Prix de Royaumont at Chantilly and G2 Prix de l’Opera at Longchamp in 1977 before becoming Eclipse Champion Older Female in America in 1979. Another half-sister to do well for the Wildensteins was the listed winner Warsaw (Fr), a daughter of the 1966 G1 Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe winner Bon Mot III (Fr).

During Pathos’ short breeding career (she only had three foals, all of whom won) she visited some of the best stallions in New Zealand. The pick of her offspring was the Sackford (USA) gelding Arigna (NZ), winner of 12 races in New Zealand at distances up to 2300 meters including the G3 Rotorua Cup. To the top-class Sir Tristram stallion Grosvenor (NZ) she bred Jameka’s second dam Aperto (NZ) who was also a good stayer, winning three races up to 2200 meters. Aperto raced in Melbourne, and then stayed in Australia for her breeding career.

It was only once Aperto was at stud in Australia that this branch of the family began to re-invent itself as a source of shorter-distance runners. She visited a series of sprinting stallions, most notably breeding the G1 Canterbury Guineas winner Jymcarew to the 1994 G1 Golden Slipper winner Danzero (Aus), the star of the first Australian crop of Danehill. In 2004 she visited the top-class sprinter General Nediym–who is related to some top-class stayers including 1989 Japan Cup heroine Horlicks (NZ) and her G1 Melbourne Cup-winning son Brew (NZ)–and thus bred Jameka’s dam Mine Game.

Mine Game, a winner in Melbourne over 1400 meters, was thus merely what one might call a first-generation sprinter, and it is easy to see why she could impart stamina into her offspring. In fact, it is particularly easy to see why she could do it when mated with Danehill-line stallions, notwithstanding the fact that Danehill himself was a sprinter who sired many very fast horses.

Of the members of this family who remained in the hands of the Wildenstein family, the one who ultimately provided her owners with the most glory was Walensee (GB), a daughter of the 1979 G1 Derby and G1 Irish Derby winner Troy (Ire). Firstly, Walensee, a daughter of the aforementioned Warsaw, carried the Wildenstein colours to victory in three races in 1985 including the G1 Prix Vermeille over 2400 meters. Then she did even better at stud, breeding a true champion. Her mating with Danehill in 1998 reminded us that Danehill was an influence for class right across the distance spectrum, rather than merely an influence for speed. A staying mare could breed a high-class stayer to Danehill, and few stayers have ever been better than Walensee’s Danehill colt Westerner (GB), who twice completed the double of G1 Prix du Cadran /G1 Prix Royal-Oak, in addition to landing the G1 Ascot Gold Cup (in 2005).

So it has turned out with Westerner’s relative Mine Game. Her mating with Danehill’s G1 Prix Morny-winning grandson Myboycharlie has yielded Jameka, a filly with enough speed to win the G2 VRC Sires’ Produce S. over 1400 meters at two, but with enough stamina to relish the 2500 meters of the G1 Victoria Oaks as a 3-year-old.



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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 6:09pm
Really liked her run today


Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by tillyras tillyras wrote:

Really liked her run today


Flashing light well and truly on her

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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 6:13pm
I've been on her for the Caulfield Cup for a couple of weeks, happy with how she has come back


Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 6:14pm
What a run. You sure she is going Caulf Cup?

Thought owners were preferring Cox Plate - $41


Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 6:16pm
I have no idea, might have to look at that too. Just saw some juicy CC odds so I had something on her. Been a fan from Day 1


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 7:28pm
Did as I expected today - she has no real fresh form - straight to the mile next start, and she will be in the placings again - 2000m+ is her go, tough as. - it would be a CCup if she were mine (no Winx). 

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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2016 at 6:49pm
have backed about 7 in this race, just love this mare


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2016 at 7:01pm
Very impatient ride imho.


Posted By: Roidz
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2016 at 7:05pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Very impatient ride imho.

Agreed. She was a bit on the disappointing side given the stable's massive wrap. Not a terrible run, just not as inspiring as that first up effort. Better runs from the race.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:09pm
Is she a realistic cup chance?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Is she a realistic cup chance?

Absolutely.


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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:35pm
The way she won today tells me she is a massive Caulfield Cup chance, pending the strength of final field and a run like she got today.

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Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:36pm
Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Is she a realistic cup chance?


Not convinced yet? I think our Cups horses will be running in the WFA races like the Yalumba/Caulf Stakes/

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Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Is she a realistic cup chance?


Absolutely.


Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 11:10pm
I've been nibbling away at her for the Cc since I first saw a market yonks ago. Will be a massive day if she can get the job done


Posted By: Straight Connector
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:29am
How much was she flattered by a clever ride today? Didn't go around a horse & skipped off the inside. Gallante sat in 2nd & finished there suggesting that they had a a fairly easy time close to the speed. Quite a few grinders in behind her battling away, while she takes full advantage of her clear passage, taking the shortest route home & winning nicely.

I think she will improve out in distance again but she'll need to find lengths to trouble Hartnell if they meet.


Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 4:13am
Hartnell looks different class this prep but I doubt they will meet.


Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:38pm
Great run yesterday, Cairon has her where she needs to be. Very happy ticket holder now.


Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 4:59pm
She won like she should have (no other Caulfield Cup types behind her, except for maybe her stablemate).

She will drop to a winning weight. Her overall 3yo form is suprior to Lucia Valentina and Rising Romance who both placed in the Caulfield Cup.

Hartnell is up and running early in the spring, he is a false favourite and even Jameka is too short.

If she gets to raceday, draws a soft barrier and we can still get $6 or more then she becomes a bet.

Still not totally convinced she is a 2400m horse but the Turnbull will tell us more!


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Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 5:12pm
I think the demographic of the Caulfield Cup has changed in recent years, don't get the light weight handicappers coming through and winning the race but high class internationals or the top end horses coming out of the WFA races.

Just my thoughts anyway

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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 5:43pm
Stablemate flopped in the CC last year after good leadup form. Has none this year imo. If there's one thing I've learned over the years that is to not get carried away by wins on tracks like yesterday's. At least we know she's in good form.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 6:16pm
0.5KG PENALTY now on 52.0


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 2:59pm
Don't remind Nick Hall of the 2014 VRC Oaks.

The gun hoop, who only 12 months earlier had partnered Fawkner to Caulfield Cup stardom, had the pick between two star fillies.

Hall had steered the Robert Smerdon-trained Lumosty to a comfortable win in the G2 Fillies' Classic (1600m) on Cox Plate day, only a week after romping to a two-length win on Set Square in the Listed Ethereal Stakes (2000m).

But Hall, then 27, chose to ride the $4.40 Oaks favourite Lumosty.

"I got off Set Square and it still haunts me," Hall told G1X.com.au.

"Ciaron reminds me every now and then."

There would be no hard feelings between the pair, however, despite Maher and Hall combining for just 11 starts (for five winners) in the 2014-15 season.

In fact, it was a relationship that blossomed, particularly after Hall guided two-year-old maiden Jameka to the 2015 VRC Sires' Produce Stakes.

Maher became Hall's biggest supporter, as they combined for 59 starts in 2015-16, for 14 wins – the biggest, Throssell's Listed ANZAC Day Stakes win this year.

"I'd always been pretty successful for him – we're probably on the same level on a lot of things, both horses and in life," Hall said.

"I knocked around with him at Warrnambool and when he came to Caulfield probably even more so. Then when Ciaron took over [Peter] Moody's horses I got more rides.

"It did lead to more track riding. My work has gone up with Ciaron and down with other trainers.

"I was doing plenty of freelance and a bit for Ciaron, but trying to keep up with the others and Ciaron was too much."

And that partnership has thrived again into the new season.

Hall is set to guide Jameka in this year's Caulfield Cup, after claiming the G3 Naturalism Stakes on her last month, before a stunning second behind Hartnell in Saturday's G1 Turnbull.

And he's got no qualms about riding light, either, with Jameka likely to be allocated no lighter than 52.5kg after the removal of topweights Order Of St George and Highland Reel.

"I'm hopeful, but kind of confident [I'll get the ride] after talking with the owners and Ciaron, but there'll be a final meeting about it," Hall said.

"I really want to win the Caulfield Cup on Jameka. I didn't actually set any early goals [for the spring] – I don't think you can set a race you want to win, you've got to let the horse come to you a bit, but I want to win the Caulfield Cup on her."

Hall, 29, also boasts rides on the Maher-trained three-year-old Kaching in the Caulfield Guineas and Western Australian filly Whispering Brook in the Thousand Guineas this Saturday.

"He's winnable at the mile, he won't have to get that far back," Hall said of Kaching, after the colt's third-placing in last Friday night's G2 Stutt Stakes (1600m) at Moonee Valley.

"I'm skeptical whether he's a Derby type but I'm open to it. I like Throssell, I think he's a nice Derby type.

"And Whispering Brook, [trainer] Simon [Miller] reckons he might have done a bit too much with her. He's freshened her up, she's really versatile, and she's got good natural gate speed so she can settle off the pace."

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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 3:04pm
I have never been able to warm to Nick Hall. One dimensional rider that gave one of the most disgraceful post race interviews I can remember when he won the Caulfield Cup.


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by James James wrote:

I have never been able to warm to Nick Hall. One dimensional rider that gave one of the most disgraceful post race interviews I can remember when he won the Caulfield Cup.
He beats to the sound of his own drum , one strange cat

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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 3:47pm
I would be surprised if she ran Top 5


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by tillyras tillyras wrote:

I would be surprised if she ran Top 5

Personally I think she is good enough to win it if she draws a barrier. Would rather see Oliver on so may just depend if Nick "asleep at the wheel" Hall gets going soon enough to get to the line first.


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by tillyras tillyras wrote:

I would be surprised if she ran Top 5


I would be very surprised if she missed top 5.


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by tillyras tillyras wrote:

I would be surprised if she ran Top 5
Why Tilly? she is my top pick at the moment . would love a jockey change though

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Posted By: The Gooch
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 4:22pm
I think she is clear top pick. At the very least the pick of the locals. Last 2 starts resulted in a 4 length win over 2000, then last start she was gapped by Hartnell but then she had 3 lengths in the next tier of horses like Preferment, Tarzino and Tally. Runs the trip, handles all track surfaces and will carry 52.5kg. Will wait till final fields though as $4 is way too short currently.


Posted By: Slammington
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 4:44pm
What did Hall say after winning the Caulfield Cup?


Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Originally posted by tillyras tillyras wrote:

I would be surprised if she ran Top 5
Why Tilly? she is my top pick at the moment . would love a jockey change though
I too wait for a compelling answer


Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 5:09pm
I would lay her simply because she is a 4yo oaks winning mare. Probably do my dough one of these days but that's good enough for me. They can't all be Winx.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 5:12pm
She is a 4yo mare that seems to be thriving.

Her form demands she be the top ranked Australasian representative. 


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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 5:16pm
There's only three that aren't Aus/NZ reps...

I think she's going to win this by a big margin.


Posted By: Delta Deel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 5:26pm
Don't know about top 5 but I wouldnt be surprised to see her miss the placings. I don't get the wrap on her, she has won one race this prep when she found the speed lane.

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Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 6:25pm
Originally posted by Delta Deel Delta Deel wrote:

Don't know about top 5 but I wouldnt be surprised to see her miss the placings. I don't get the wrap on her, she has won one race this prep when she found the speed lane.
Other than Hartnell she's gapped the field her last 2 runs.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 6:34pm
The Turnbull was a thin race with The US out and Preferment in terrible form. I can't imagine an Aus/NZ horse winning the Caulfield Cup but Jameka will probably do the best of them.


Posted By: marscay
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by Delta Deel Delta Deel wrote:

Don't know about top 5 but I wouldnt be surprised to see her miss the placings. I don't get the wrap on her, she has won one race this prep when she found the speed lane.


She isn't a first up horse and she was trapped wide at the Valley so a bit of a harsh evaluation.

She will be competitive enough with that weight.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

The Turnbull was a thin race with The US out and Preferment in terrible form. I can't imagine an Aus/NZ horse winning the Caulfield Cup but Jameka will probably do the best of them.

Well hope you're off-base Tlaz, as have backed Tally all-in to win $7,300 at a cost of $200.  I give him a sporting chance, and reckon Jameka, Real Love and Preferment can figure also.


Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 8:18pm
My reason for earlier comment is related to Nick Hall being the rider. He is a terrible jockey for this horse. I'd like to see Ollie on her for the Cc and I think she could win.


Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 8:23pm
She'll win the Caulfield cup


Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

She'll win the Caulfield cup

Beware, have a look at the number of Caulfield Cup winners that have been trained at Caulfield.
Last winner was Elvstroem in 2004, before that Arctic Scent ???( 1996 ). Before 1996 I cannot think of any Caulfield trained horse to win, although Qld horse Cole Diesel may have been trained there whilst he was in Melbourne. 
All of Freedman's winners were trained at Flemington.


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

She'll win the Caulfield cup

Beware, have a look at the number of Caulfield Cup winners that have been trained at Caulfield.
Last winner was Elvstroem in 2004, before that Arctic Scent ???( 1996 ). Before 1996 I cannot think of any Caulfield trained horse to win, although Qld horse Cole Diesel may have been trained there whilst he was in Melbourne. 
All of Freedman's winners were trained at Flemington.

How many have started that were trained out of Caulfield? What was their SP? Weekend Hussler was I think and he started short of the love of the general public but he was never going to win that race.


Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 8:58pm
Nick Hall's the perfect jockey for obviously. He's won the Sires, Naturalism and 2nd in a Turnbull in 3 rides, seems clear cut to me!

As already mentioned, wide at the Valley and very good, hence why everyone backed her next start and if she didn't perform in the Turnbull then you know it was just an off day for the rest but she smashed them - going away too.

Giddy up!


Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:07pm
Cannot recall the names but I am sure Geoff Murphy, Mick Price, Rick Hore-Lacy,Robert Smerdon,Peter Moody, Angus Armanasco, Lee Freedman ( when he trained at Caulfield ) , Colin Little,Des Judd etc all had plenty of starters over the years.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:33pm
I counted 8 from Caulfield BB,.going back to 1957 ,Sir Blink,Regal Wench,Sobar,Gurners Lane,Tristark,Imposera
Paris Lane ,.Yangsze,.Des Judd two that I know of Bore Head and Beer Street,.although Des may have had
Yangsze when at caul.fwiw.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:35pm
Gee, she ticks all the boxes this mare. I grew up knowing you go looking for the 4yo mares in the Caulfield Cup. Oaks winners like her were the ones. Ethereal won one. Republican Lass ran a placing. More recently Southern Speed.

Jameka is probably classier and has done more than all of them. But above all else, her run in the Turnbull is as good a Caulfield Cup trial you will ever see. They don't do that, behind a horse many are touting capable of knocking off a world class champion, without being a huge Caulfield Cup chance.

This is the one with Hartnell now almost certain to run in the Cox Plate.


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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:40pm
Which Oaks did Southern Speed win? Winx is the only Oaks winner since Etherial to win one of the big 3 spring races as a 4yo. Forget looking for them just lay them!


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:41pm
Baghdad Bob,.Ross Mac, may have been at Epsom when Imposera and Tristarc won.Noccy may know.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Which Oaks did Southern Speed win? Winx is the only Oaks winner since Etherial to win one of the big 3 spring races as a 4yo. Forget looking for them just lay them!


That might be a wise move at the beginning of Spring but how many 4yo mares had super duper form well into the Spring going into one of the big 3 ?




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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Which Oaks did Southern Speed win? Winx is the only Oaks winner since Etherial to win one of the big 3 spring races as a 4yo. Forget looking for them just lay them!



That might be a wise move at the beginning of Spring but how many 4yo mares had super duper form well into the Spring going into one of the big 3 ?





Id have to look at all the fields for a refresher but there have been several. Miss Finland at the top of the list of hyped up Oaks winners that failed to go on.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:50pm
When I listed those examples I was referring to "you look for 4yo mares." Albeit she placed in an Australasian Oaks.

Point being, Southern Speed ran 2nd Underwood, 4th Turnbull or something like that and then beats the future Melbourne Cup winner Green Moon in the Caulfield Cup.  Ethereal 3rd Yalumba then beat Sky Heights in the Caulfield Cup. Republic Lass 3rd Hill Stakes, 4th Yalumba and then runs 3rd in the Caulfield Cup to dual Cox Plate winners Northerly and Fields Of Omagh.

You want to lay the 4yo mares who are doing nothing in their spring prep and are in the race only because they qualified off a restricted 3yo fillies prep and have shown nothing to suggest they can win a G1 in open class.

But when they take that step and are performing at WFA in open class already, it will take a very good WFA horse to beat them. Jameka just ran 2nd to Hartnell - needs no intro/summary - and thrashed everything behind her including last year's Turnbull, Australian Cup and BMW winner. She will carry 52kg, has tactical speed to be there (I believe that's a huge plus for a Caulfield Cup unless you're Dunaden or Admire Rakti), will come into it off two 2000m runs (hard fit and seasoned) and is a G1 2400m winner.


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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:55pm
Fwiw,.How Now 1976 ,.won Ajc Oaks,.Underwood Stk,.Caulfield Stk..Caulfield Cup,..Swell Time 1973 won NZ oaks
won Caulfield Cup ( God bless her )


Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:55pm
No, you want to lay all Oaks winners because they are inevitable running with too much weight given to them on the back of wins where they are usually more physically mature than their opposition. Lay them all in the big 3 and you will be miles in front. Start of the spring or at final field, it doesn't matter.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:57pm
Exceed, you're being a little narrow-minded mate. I'm the first to lean on a good stat or history mounting against something. Trust me I am. But there has been good history to show this can be a race for 4yo mares when you strike the right one. It's not like the "you have to have one run in Aus to win the M Cup."

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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 9:58pm
Fwiw,.How Now 1976 ,.won Ajc Oaks,.Underwood Stk,.Caulfield Stk..Caulfield Cup,..Swell Time 1973 won NZ oaks
won Caulfield Cup ( God bless her ) it was an absolute bog that day and I knew the Mellay stock were swimmers
33/1 ,.i was betting well then,..now it's just lotto


Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 10:10pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Exceed, you're being a little narrow-minded mate. I'm the first to lean on a good stat or history mounting against something. Trust me I am. But there has been good history to show this can be a race for 4yo mares when you strike the right one. It's not like the "you have to have one run in Aus to win the M Cup."



First I'm just talking Oaks winning 4yos who are mainly just more mature as 3yos and get more weight than their 4yo ability warrants. So not all 4yo mares. But yes, with the right one then of course they could win, Winx proved that last year.

Very little history this century unfortunately. Lay every Oaks winner and you'll be a winner.


Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I counted 8 from Caulfield BB,.going back to 1957 ,Sir Blink,Regal Wench,Sobar,Gurners Lane,Tristark,Imposera
Paris Lane ,.Yangsze,.Des Judd two that I know of Bore Head and Beer Street,.although Des may have had
Yangsze when at caul.fwiw.

Sobar was trained by Cyril Beechey, I do not recall him training at Caulfield. Yangtze was a SA horse  trained by G Heagney,  Regal Wench was trained by Bill Murrell at Epsom and Beer Street was from Tassy


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2016 at 11:21pm
I think you will find Sobar was trained by Ken Hilton at Caulfield ,.ha trained all of Kemball,.Lord ,Havelock,Post
and heaps more, he was Kemballs private trainer,.Brian Ralph was his foreman,.Beer Street did come from tassie,
but I can assure you Dess Judd trained him when he won the cup because I was working for him at the time,
while I was there we had Yangsze there ,.Des had moved into PHIL Bourkes stable at Flemington ,.prior to that
he was at caul,.i know J Stocker rode Yangsze in the cup so he may have been trained in Sa and came over later
Bill Murrel Epsom for sure ,.think the kid who rode him Allen Yeomans was based at caul.cheers mate.


Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 8:06am
Jameka will be very hard to beat in CC. On her ratings in the Naturalism and Turnbull, and considering her weight, with luck in running she would have won all of the last 10 runnings of the CC.


Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 9:53am
Great to see a couple of knowledgeable racing fans putting in their 2c. That's what this forum is all about.

fwiw GO JAMEKA!


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 11:33am
The ‘cup winners trained on course’ stat is definitely an eye-catcher, but I wonder how much relevance it holds in today’s game, considering the amount of work done away from Caulfield? 

Many of the current custodians have satellite properties away from the city – Maher, in particular, runs three.



Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I think you will find Sobar was trained by Ken Hilton at Caulfield ,.ha trained all of Kemball,.Lord ,Havelock,Post
and heaps more, he was Kemballs private trainer,.Brian Ralph was his foreman,.Beer Street did come from tassie,
but I can assure you Dess Judd trained him when he won the cup because I was working for him at the time,
while I was there we had Yangsze there ,.Des had moved into PHIL Bourkes stable at Flemington ,.prior to that
he was at caul,.i know J Stocker rode Yangsze in the cup so he may have been trained in Sa and came over later
Bill Murrel Epsom for sure ,.think the kid who rode him Allen Yeomans was based at caul.cheers mate.

You are right Sobar was trained by Hilton, Beechey trained that good horse  Gay Icarus, which won the 1971 Caulfield Cup,however it was not trained at Caulfield.


Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 1:39pm
Carioca, from this newspaper article in 1963 Des Judd trained out of Flemington. Beer Street won the 1970 Caulfield Cup. In your prior post you indicated he trained at Caulfield before moving to Flemington, therefore if he trained Beer Street to win the CCUP, he was at Flemington.
Are you sure he trained at Caulfield before moving to flemington or was it the other way around. Flemington to Caulfield ?

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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Carioca, from this newspaper article in 1963 Des Judd trained out of Flemington. Beer Street won the 1970 Caulfield Cup. In your prior post you indicated he trained at Caulfield before moving to Flemington, therefore if he trained Beer Street to win the CCUP, he was at Flemington.
Are you sure he trained at Caulfield before moving to flemington or was it the other way around. Flemington to Caulfield ?

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That newspaper's link should be

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1300&dat=19630828&id=031VAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rJYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4891,4076772&hl=en



Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 3:15pm
Hi Baghdad Bob,.from all accounts he moved into PHIL Bourkes stable in st Leonards crescent Ascot Vale, after
PHIL died,that may have been around the early 60 s,.im pretty sure before that it was Caulfield,When Des retired
early 70 s Bart bought the stables and nice home, there was another house on the property next door ,Brian
Gilders bought that ( Des' s stable jock) Ron Dillon bought Borehead down from QLD 1965 won the CC and left it
with Des who I think won Aust.Cup, now Beer Street came over from tassie as a promising young horse ,Des trained him to win the 1970 CC,.we also had his younger sister Gin Lane,.also Yangtse won the CC 1964 when
trained by Ron Dini ADL,.somehow Des had him as an 8 y/o bull,.those three horses were there while I was there,.
Sobar was trained by Ke Hilten,private trainer for Mr W kemball,.think Lord, Future, Havelock,,.he won CC 1972
broke down badly in the VRC derby,.may of had 2 years off,.you might be getting him mixed up with Gay Icarus
who was trained by Cyril Beechly,.hope I've been of some help mate.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2016 at 3:24pm
Ps,.Sobar was like all Ken Hilten horses ,.trained at Caulfield,.( bit of trivia, Brenden McCarthy was a strapper for him) .


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 5:34pm
People still wondering what we saw in her?

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 5:34pm
She killed them


Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 5:37pm
Love this mare. She could easily do another lap, still full of energy, you wouldn't think she just ran 2400m.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 5:37pm
That all in mc bet loooks good now


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 7:11pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

People still wondering what we saw in her?

Strangely underrated still by some. But for bad luck and bad rides she would have been back in the G1 winners stall well before this. Had a lap on those Autumn fillies, Olly...

Market got it right, though the drift was a bit of a spoil.


Posted By: poczynek
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by Delta Deel Delta Deel wrote:

Don't know about top 5 but I wouldnt be surprised to see her miss the placings. I don't get the wrap on her, she has won one race this prep when she found the speed lane.


What about now DD?


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 8:28pm
I was wrong about her, I said she was the best of the Aussies but still thought (albeit knowing nothing about them) that the internationals would beat her just because I thought her form was terrible. Was wrong, great win, she wins the Cup on that run with less than a 2kg penalty. Internationals not much chop.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 9:16pm
Like i said in my post a week or two ago, her Turnbull run was as good a Caulfield Cup trial as you'll see.

She was beaten only by a star, belted the rest, ran super time, and she had weight relief to come - not to mention an ordinary field. It was easy.

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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by poczynek poczynek wrote:

Originally posted by Delta Deel Delta Deel wrote:

Don't know about top 5 but I wouldnt be surprised to see her miss the placings. I don't get the wrap on her, she has won one race this prep when she found the speed lane.


What about now DD?
I

One of the better judges on here. Sometimes we get it wrong .

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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 9:32pm
Good win, but hard to put it into context given the field was woeful, she had a light weight and relatively easy run. 


Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 9:35pm
Give DD a break. He is a guru when it comes to finding winners.  He is allowed to make the occasional mistake. We all do.



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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

Good win, but hard to put it into context given the field was woeful, she had a light weight and relatively easy run. 

I know what you mean but two things: the margin was what she needed to do to that standard of field - she didn't fall in and that was despite pulling her head off most of the way which you just can't do and win; and I wouldn't call it a light weight - 4yo mares normally carry less. That was a good weight for a 4yo mare.


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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

Good win, but hard to put it into context given the field was woeful, she had a light weight and relatively easy run. 

I know what you mean but two things: the margin was what she needed to do to that standard of field - she didn't fall in and that was despite pulling her head off most of the way which you just can't do and win; and I wouldn't call it a light weight - 4yo mares normally carry less. That was a good weight for a 4yo mare.

Yes you're right it was a dominant win. I do think she is a very good mare and will do well in the M Cup, which is also not going to be a vintage edition, but in the context of CC winners it's hard to line her up. 


Posted By: poczynek
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by crooked_gambler crooked_gambler wrote:

Give DD a break. He is a guru when it comes to finding winners.  He is allowed to make the occasional mistake. We all do.



Everyone makes mistakes. It's more about how he arrogantly dismisses others when they suggest a horse he doesn't like.


Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 12:51pm
There is one horse that just wins the Melbourne Cup based on Jameka's win yesterday and thats Hartnell.

He absolutely brained her in the Turnbull. Had 57.5kgs drops to 55kgs, assuming he gets beat next week by Winx so no penalty. Jameka carried 54.5 in the Turnbull, she's got 52 in the Cup today, but that will increase to at least 53.5kg (most likely a 1.5kg penalty), so she meets Hartnell 1.5 worse for getting brained. 

He's had experience at the 3200m, and his run last year was good. Wasn't a case of didn't stay etc..., and he has improved massively this prep.

We all know the Melbourne Cup is the one race Goldolphin has been trying desperately to win, and they've been bringing all these late arrival internationals across, and been close a number of times... They've got the right one this year!!!


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

There is one horse that just wins the Melbourne Cup based on Jameka's win yesterday and thats Hartnell.

He absolutely brained her in the Turnbull. Had 57.5kgs drops to 55kgs, assuming he gets beat next week by Winx so no penalty. Jameka carried 54.5 in the Turnbull, she's got 52 in the Cup today, but that will increase to at least 53.5kg (most likely a 1.5kg penalty), so she meets Hartnell 1.5 worse for getting brained. 

He's had experience at the 3200m, and his run last year was good. Wasn't a case of didn't stay etc..., and he has improved massively this prep.

We all know the Melbourne Cup is the one race Goldolphin has been trying desperately to win, and they've been bringing all these late arrival internationals across, and been close a number of times... They've got the right one this year!!!

Few mistakes in your post.

First of all Hartnell can't get a penalty for winning the Cox Plate. It's WFA. Secondly Jameka currently has 51.5kg in the Melbourne Cup. Hartnell has 55kg, so until she gets a penalty she has less weight than him. But yeah, she will most likely get a 1.5kg penalty, thus she's giving him an extra kg.

I also disagree with your assessment of the Sydney Cup run, he was in great form and was a near cert in the Sydney Cup if he ran it out, all he had to do was carry 52kg and failed.



Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 1:47pm
When Hartnell won the 3200m Queens Vase back in 2014 we had Our Century in second and Big Orange in 4th.

You would have to think Our Century despite being a 7 year old next season, he will open favourite for next years Melbourne Cup when first markets go up. BM87.

I'd prefer Jameka did not get anymore weight but hopefull she gets no more than 1 kg taking her to the weight she carried yesterday. With 53.5 kgs she will have to give 1.5 kgs to Almandin.






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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 1:48pm
When Hartnell won the 3200m Queens Vase back in 2014 we had Our Century in second and Big Orange in 4th.

You would have to think Our Century despite being a 7 year old next season, he will open favourite for next years Melbourne Cup when first markets go up. BM87.

I'd prefer Jameka did not get anymore weight but hopefull she gets no more than 1 kg taking her to the weight she carried yesterday. With 52.5 kgs she will have to give 1.5 kgs to Almandin.


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Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 2:19pm
Jameka has already received a 0.5 kg penalty on top of the original weight, which was 51.5kgs, and is currently 52kgs according to RISA before any penalty for the Caul Cup win. Which will, and I think most will agree, will be likely around 1.5kgs. So it will be 1.5kgs variance on the Turnbull. But we are dealing with whatever happens with the penalty.

Cox Plate penalty, you are right, traditionally no penalty in any non-handicapped race was the norm, but that changed, I couldn't remember if it was for all non-handicap races or not. However it's only for races over 2300m or more, which basically stuffed any VRC Derby winner going into the Melbourne Cup. Remember when we'd get horses going into the Cup with 47.5kgs, like Nothin' Leica Dane off a Derby win, and in some cases horses in the Derby if they won would go into Cup at 44kgs and so forth. It was a nice little carrot there for the Derby winner. But not anymore.

It wasn't the Sydney Cup run I was referring to, It was his run in last years Melbourne Cup, and prior to that he'd already won in the UK over 3200m. 




Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 2:31pm
I'm glad no Derby horses are ending up in the Cup honestly, running in the Derby is a big enough ask, i'm sure they'll be one every decade or so that could do it and be competitive, but i'd be happy if they made the Cup a 4yo+ race.


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by pnclick pnclick wrote:

There is one horse that just wins the Melbourne Cup based on Jameka's win yesterday and thats Hartnell.

He absolutely brained her in the Turnbull. Had 57.5kgs drops to 55kgs, assuming he gets beat next week by Winx so no penalty. Jameka carried 54.5 in the Turnbull, she's got 52 in the Cup today, but that will increase to at least 53.5kg (most likely a 1.5kg penalty), so she meets Hartnell 1.5 worse for getting brained. 

He's had experience at the 3200m, and his run last year was good. Wasn't a case of didn't stay etc..., and he has improved massively this prep.

We all know the Melbourne Cup is the one race Goldolphin has been trying desperately to win, and they've been bringing all these late arrival internationals across, and been close a number of times... They've got the right one this year!!!

Two miles is very different from 2000m. Not many MC winners in recent years are winning 2000m races the way Hartnell is. I know he has form over 3200 back home but he's looks a different horse this time in. I think he will win the Cox Plate, even though Winx smashed him over 1400 a month or so ago. Same difference. 

Jameka's win yesterday was an outstanding Cup trial- just so strong through the line. Couldn't match Hartnell's brilliance over 2000m, but I think she can beat him in the Cup.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 2:54pm
1.5 penalty


Posted By: deejays destiny
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 3:10pm
Needs to pass a vets test tomorrow. Shifted a plate this morning


Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 8:28pm
Go the double you little beauty!


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 8:40pm
She has drawn the good gate and should get a great run behind the speed. If she can settle there is a touch of destiny about her.




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Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 8:42pm
Will be cheering for the little Aussie mare all the way!

Have known Ciaron's old man for 40 odd years, will be amazing if she can get home 1st tomorrow.


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Posted By: Strada
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 9:09pm
Must say have never met Ciaron in person but to me he always comes across as a very level headed humble person

In all interviews/discussions in print and tv he certainly expresses a high level of confidence re the horse........

What a story it would be , from selecting the mare at the sales through to winning the melbourne cup.........reminds me so much of Ethereal

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Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 9:13pm
The last time I wanted a horse to win a Cup this much was the Diva's third.
Best of luck to Jameka and her connections.
(I also think Ciaron deserves it and it would be a great win for Australian racing too.)



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