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Topic: The refugee crisis..??!!
Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Subject: The refugee crisis..??!!
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 11:38am
Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 



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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 11:59am
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 

At a certain point you have to stand and fight for your country not run off to someone elses.


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 

At a certain point you have to stand and fight for your country not run off to someone elses.


Does any even know what the Long war is about anymore..??


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 12:49pm
A refugee is a person who is outside their home country because they have suffered (or feared) persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, or political opinion; because they are a member of a persecuted social category of persons; or because they are fleeing a war


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 12:50pm
I find some contributors commenting on this issue as gutless and cowardly


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 1:05pm
You don't like fiddles' self-admitted simplistic view ? I think fiddles believes religion causes haemorrhoids as well.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 2:11pm
Why is everybody in that area so freakin' useless militarily except for the religious nutters? The Iraqis and Afghans have had enough training and hardware given to them to win 3 world wars, far more training and hardware than the nutters, but they can't fight their way out of a brown paper bag.


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 5:49pm
In all honesty who wants the war stopped other than the citizens

Saudi has 1 of the worst human rights violation on record,yet nothing,zilch,who cares attitude from the worlds so called peace keepers.    


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

In all honesty who wants the war stopped other than the citizens

Saudi has 1 of the worst human rights violation on record,yet nothing,zilch,who cares attitude from the worlds so called peace keepers.    

Good post.

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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

A refugee is a person who is outside their home country because they have suffered (or feared) persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, or political opinion; because they are a member of a persecuted social category of persons; or because they are fleeing a war

That's an asylum seeker. A refugee is in real fear of their life. May seem cold hearted to distinguish, but it's important in terms of different nations' policies etc.

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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You don't like fiddles' self-admitted simplistic view ? I think fiddles believes religion causes haemorrhoids as well.


with all that bending over, it doesn't help..


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

A refugee is a person who is outside their home country because they have suffered (or feared) persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, or political opinion; because they are a member of a persecuted social category of persons; or because they are fleeing a war


So what's the reason for the war over there then...??


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 9:21pm
 I am ashamed to be Australian after listening to Abbott's garbage response to the refugee crisis...

 "Someone should show them how to turn the boats around!"

 the man is a shameless bas tard...

 I'd like to put him on an island with no food and a leaky boat...

 DISGUSTED...Angry


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 9:27pm
Did he really say that ?
 "Someone should show them how to turn the boats around!"
If that is so, it is not only he that is shameless, but the MP's that keep him as PM. I am not sure Bill Shorten is really much better, though.


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 9:41pm
that was today's interview...this was yesterday's entree...


 Mr Abbott said on Friday: "If you want to stop the deaths, if you want to stop the drownings you have got to stop the boats.  

"We saw yesterday on our screens a very sad, poignant image of children tragically dead at sea in illegal migration," Mr Abbott told ABC radio.

"Thankfully, we have stopped that in Australia because we have stopped the illegal boats. 

"We have said to the people smugglers: 'Your trade is closed down.' 

"If you want to keep people safe, you have got to stop illegal migration and that's what we have done."


"SAD, POIGNANT IMAGE OF CHILDREN TRAGICALLY DEAD..."


 the man makes me want to vomit...even with that pathetic description, you read how little he really cares...




 

 



 



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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 9:43pm
"ILLEGAL MIGRATION.."

 he doesn't understand any of it...

 


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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 9:52pm
Alternate simplistic view: Continue to relocate & absorb all refugees untill each of these warmongering countries/warlords & ISIS have only each other left to kill.
When/if sanity ever prevails with fair & equitable, undisputed rulers in charge, allow gradual resettlement tho' God only knows what they'll survive on Confused
These wars have prevailed for thousands of years but now, civilians realise they have some semblance of a chance of a better life in an alternate country.


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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 10:01pm
jujono - u speak so much sense. I prefer the Libs but his/party view has DISGUSTED me. 


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 10:05pm
Abbott is a sheep of hit, and it is not a recent discovery on my part. Simply could not vote for the Libs with him in the side, let alone on top. It frightens me that he is still PM, shows how thin the ranks of possible leaders are.


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:


Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

A refugee is a person who is outside their home country because they have suffered (or feared) persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, or political opinion; because they are a member of a persecuted social category of persons; or because they are fleeing a war


So what's the reason for the war over there then...??

Just pointing out the distinction, Fiddles. Frankly, there ARE many people who take the path of what Abbott disgustingly (in this case) called "illegal migration" - they can not be legally classified as "refugees" because there is no direct threat to their life. To make it worse, they often deliberately come without any papers etc, knowing that if they land, they will at least be able to stay until it is proven that they don't fall under refugee status. That's why "stop the boats" is a policy. A nation that has signed up to international "law" agreements "must" take in refugees, but is entitled to regard illegal immigrant asylum seekers as law breakers who clog up the system.
Not saying I agree with it, but that's the reality. I studied this stuff and did volunteer work with refugees, and the simplistic ideas that get thrown around are pretty far off reality.

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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 10:25pm
Oops and just realized Fiddles wasn't referring to my distinction at all - thought he was responding to my response to the post he responded to!

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"She's going through a growth phase." - GW


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:42am
Stopping the boats doesn't stop the deaths, they just die somewhere else.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:45am
That was the advertising pitch for Ratsak, " they go away to die." And some people do regard these desperate people as rats. The Germans seem intent on rectifying some of the sins of the past with a more humanitarian attitude.


Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:54am
I've said it before and I'll say it again. What goes around comes around. Make no mistake about it. One day Australia will have people fleeing here as refugees. It might be in 10 years time .... it might be in 100 years time. It will happen and when it does I would love to be around to see the reaction of those that demonise and refuse entry to refugees today.


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 1:23am
Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

Stopping the boats doesn't stop the deaths, they just die somewhere else.

Actually it's the horrible people who run these boats who are responsible for their deaths. They are callous people who deal in stuff most people don't want to know about.

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"She's going through a growth phase." - GW


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 1:39am
Originally posted by whitt0 whitt0 wrote:

jujono - u speak so much sense. I prefer the Libs but his/party view has DISGUSTED me. 

 until Abbott took over the Lib leadership, I had never voted anything else but LNP...now I would be ashamed to give them my vote...

 this is not a genuine Liberal Party...

 Angry

 


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 10:07am
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 

Whatever you think of the Assad regime, Syria is a secular state, they have progressive modern views compared to most of their neighbors and religion isn't a factor in daily life. They were considered lower middle income by world standards before this war. These refugees all carry iphones and laptops. 

They are escaping a prehistoric closed minded group trying to take that from them and the west who are promoting a civil war in their country. What are they supposed to do? You say they should go to Saudi Arabia? A country that is still in the dark ages and everything Syria is transitioning out of. SA also have a war of their own they are dealing with on their border Why would people cross through other countries to get there? 

The fact is that approx 4 million people have crossed borders to wait with their immediate neighbors till things settle down, if they ever do. Just like Europe in the 30's a number of people don't see things getting better and look for a better place to relocate their families. Who can blame them.

Our PM uses ISIL for his political advantage deeming them more evil than the nazis but telling people they shouldn't leave there, because we don't want them. Rather they should stay put and hope that ISIL or Australian bombs don't kill them 


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 11:40am
Very easy to be critical on this issue...much harder to put up acceptable alternatives. If we want an open border policy to help everyone else around the world...fine...however kiss good bye your current standard of living. Must have an impact...both financially & culturally. Plenty of suburbs in Sydney paying the penalty of poor cultural assimilation let me tell you. We should at least probably double our intake due to current global problems...question is will it ever get any better...just seems to move around from hotspot to hotspot. Will this be deemed "good enough" by those currently critical ?...I doubt it. The need will "always" be there to take more...& any argument against it will always look poor when the reality of a kid drowning at sea sea is put up. As for Shortens mob being critical of Abbott....deary me. What an absolute abomination of a performance they put in...short memories obviously...best just shut up on this issue !

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Give peace a chance


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 11:56am
Current estimates of global "displaced people" is in excess of 50 million...a figure that is growing rapidly day by day. Should Australia take all these people ? Obviously not...so what is an acceptable figure ?

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Give peace a chance


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Current estimates of global "displaced people" is in excess of 50 million...a figure that is growing rapidly day by day. Should Australia take all these people ? Obviously not...so what is an acceptable figure ?

You will never get a number out of the bleeding hearts for their generosity is boundless. But I propose a figure of 20 million- 20 million Muslims- that will make us all feel virtuous. I'll leave it to your children to deal with the consequences.Big smile


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:


Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Current estimates of global "displaced people" is in excess of 50 million...a figure that is growing rapidly day by day. Should Australia take all these people ? Obviously not...so what is an acceptable figure ?


You will never get a number out of the bleeding hearts for their generosity is boundless. But I propose a figure of 20 million- 20 million Muslims- that will make us all feel virtuous. I'll leave it to your children to deal with the consequences.Big smile
Thought we had already started Tizza

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Give peace a chance


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. What goes around comes around. Make no mistake about it. One day Australia will have people fleeing here as refugees. It might be in 10 years time .... it might be in 100 years time. It will happen and when it does I would love to be around to see the reaction of those that demonise and refuse entry to refugees today.


That's interesting Hollywood, just what do you see as the cause of this exactly..??


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 

Whatever you think of the Assad regime, Syria is a secular state, they have progressive modern views compared to most of their neighbors and religion isn't a factor in daily life. They were considered lower middle income by world standards before this war. These refugees all carry iphones and laptops. 

They are escaping a prehistoric closed minded group trying to take that from them and the west who are promoting a civil war in their country. What are they supposed to do? You say they should go to Saudi Arabia? A country that is still in the dark ages and everything Syria is transitioning out of. SA also have a war of their own they are dealing with on their border Why would people cross through other countries to get there? 

The fact is that approx 4 million people have crossed borders to wait with their immediate neighbors till things settle down, if they ever do. Just like Europe in the 30's a number of people don't see things getting better and look for a better place to relocate their families. Who can blame them.

Our PM uses ISIL for his political advantage deeming them more evil than the nazis but telling people they shouldn't leave there, because we don't want them. Rather they should stay put and hope that ISIL or Australian bombs don't kill them 


Couple of things here, I never said they should go to Saudi, that would be the last place they should go, that place is a hell hole, and secondly Syria might well be a secular state by design but it's people are all mainly muslim, I see they all carry iphones and have nice hair and clothes and makeup etc, that really has nothing to do with this imo, my point is I always go back to the root core of these infinite problems, all these wars and conflicts are started with religious arguing back hundreds of years ago, it's been so long now that no one even remembers this..




Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Current estimates of global "displaced people" is in excess of 50 million...a figure that is growing rapidly day by day. Should Australia take all these people ? Obviously not...so what is an acceptable figure ?

You will never get a number out of the bleeding hearts for their generosity is boundless. But I propose a figure of 20 million- 20 million Muslims- that will make us all feel virtuous. I'll leave it to your children to deal with the consequences.Big smile


Ouch



Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:


Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 


At a certain point you have to stand and fight for your country not run off to someone elses.



What kind of a freakingly ignorant comment is this??


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Very easy to be critical on this issue...much harder to put up acceptable alternatives. If we want an open border policy to help everyone else around the world...fine...however kiss good bye your current standard of living. Must have an impact...both financially & culturally. Plenty of suburbs in Sydney paying the penalty of poor cultural assimilation let me tell you. We should at least probably double our intake due to current global problems...question is will it ever get any better...just seems to move around from hotspot to hotspot. Will this be deemed "good enough" by those currently critical ?...I doubt it. The need will "always" be there to take more...& any argument against it will always look poor when the reality of a kid drowning at sea sea is put up. As for Shortens mob being critical of Abbott....deary me. What an absolute abomination of a performance they put in...short memories obviously...best just shut up on this issue !



What a surprise. You have somehow managed to make the issue about your standard of living......could you be any more selfish??


Posted By: Demolay
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 

Can you explain how this conflict relates to religion?


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 1:19pm
Of course standard of living has to come into it otherwise we'll end up in as poor a state as those countries from whence the rufugees have fled Stern Smile

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by Demolay Demolay wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 

Can you explain how this conflict relates to religion?
You don't know our fiddles very well, there is no evil under the sun that cannot be traced back to religion, he thinks. If only it was that simple. In reality, it is civil wars that produce most of the refugees, and unfortunately foreign countries interfering in civil wars does not seem to have helped any.


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Of course standard of living has to come into it otherwise we'll end up in as poor a state as those countries from whence the rufugees have fled Stern Smile

Yes Gay......unlike some others on here.....one fellow in particular....we actually care about this place !

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Give peace a chance


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Demolay Demolay wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Solution : oh here ye refugee, try abandoning your religion forever, cast away ye old dark ages ideas and leave your cult for freedom, reward will be to live in peace as intelligent normal folk in a secular society where progressive ideas and science reins.

end simplistic view]

 

Can you explain how this conflict relates to religion?
You don't know our fiddles very well, there is no evil under the sun that cannot be traced back to religion, he thinks. If only it was that simple. In reality, it is civil wars that produce most of the refugees, and unfortunately foreign countries interfering in civil wars does not seem to have helped any.


yes and those 'civil wars' have inevitably been about differences in religion...


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You don't know our fiddles very well, there is no evil under the sun that cannot be traced back to religion,


there are others, but most have been about or born from differences in religious beliefs..


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2015 at 3:07am
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Of course standard of living has to come into it otherwise we'll end up in as poor a state as those countries from whence the rufugees have fled Stern Smile

Yes Gay......unlike some others on here.....one fellow in particular....we actually care about this place !



Ha, in other words, I have a great life, stuff everyone else. It's their fault they were born in Syria and not Australia.


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2015 at 3:08am
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Of course standard of living has to come into it otherwise we'll end up in as poor a state as those countries from whence the rufugees have fled Stern Smile




Please explain how the 216 refugees we have currently taken in from Syria will impact your life Gay?


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2015 at 3:10am
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Of course standard of living has to come into it otherwise we'll end up in as poor a state as those countries from whence the rufugees have fled Stern Smile




On this, you are implying that refugees are incapable of being anything other than mooches on our society and welfare system. Is that fair?


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2015 at 1:09pm
Lot of things in life are "not fair" Subby...you of all people should realise that.

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2015 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Of course standard of living has to come into it otherwise we'll end up in as poor a state as those countries from whence the rufugees have fled Stern Smile




Please explain how the 216 refugees we have currently taken in from Syria will impact your life Gay?
You are correct Subby...in isolation the 216 have probably had very little impact. However, we have taken a lot of refugees from this troubled area over the last 20 years or so. For example, 80,000 plus from Iraq. In broad brush terms, our population is growing at 2% per year...with less than 50% of this being the result from natural growth. The other 50% plus is from net migration. So over the last 10 years alone we have increased our population with a ball park increase of 4 million people...of which over half is due to net migration...many of which would require substantial assistance. My point being this must be having an impact on our standard of living. I am not suggesting we do not continue...or even increase it...I am merely pointing it out that it does come at a financial cost to all of us.. The cultural impact is another whole story.   

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:44am
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You don't know our fiddles very well, there is no evil under the sun that cannot be traced back to religion,


there are others, but most have been about or born from differences in religious beliefs
..



This is why Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban doesnt want them.
I also learnt today that he was simply abiding by the Schengen Agreement, so my thread shaming Hungary was completely wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 10:44am
How are these European countries going to cope with huge intakes of 5 a day muslims as far as jobs go..??

they are already under huge unemployment strains with some places reaching nearly 50%..




Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 11:58am
They wont cope.
Its Order by Chaos.

And look at Russia, already in Syria to commit mass genocide.
Its full on Communism.
Somebody wants Syrian real estate.


Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:00pm
I wonder which nearby nation wants Syrian real estate?





Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:03pm
What's most ridiculous about this apart from ISIS being a band of religious nut bags is that they number so small yet are so powerful they can move entire nations by foot to move to one place to another just by fear... the best way to beat those sick lot is to penetrate from the inside, never in a million years will they beat them from the outer, they are like onion weed..


Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:03pm
Lets just blame Isis Confused

Funny how Isis is apparently destroying Muslim monuments in Syria ??
Something aint adding up.


Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:08pm
Fiddles, we are being had.

Russia is inside Syria, allied with a nearby nation I wont name, and committing genocide in Syria, and Muslim Syrians are scampering to Europe.

Strange that, I thought Isis were Muslims?
Why are the refugees predominately Muslims??

Mmmmm


Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:12pm
Oh, massive Muslim prayer services in Budapest.
Huh?? Isis wants them out of Syria???? Huh??

Maybe someone else wants them out of Syria. Mmmmmmm, wonder who.




Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Fiddles, we are being had.

Russia is inside Syria, allied with a nearby nation I wont name, and committing genocide in Syria, and Muslim Syrians are scampering to Europe.

Strange that, I thought Isis were Muslims?
Why are the refugees predominately Muslims??

Mmmmm


Because ISIS is fractionally splitting the religion to make enemies out of other muslims by calling out text in the koran claiming other muslims are wrong, correct me if I'm wrong but ISIS are claiming gelatie Muslim text as the true word of God and anyone who is not in agreeance, (other muslims included) is rewarded with death...in other words idiots with bibles and korans still trying to interpret dark ages nonsense in 2015..Ouch


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:19pm
LMOA..the swear filter changed S H I T E to gelatie...!!


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I wonder which nearby nation wants Syrian real estate?





I don't know about anything there that anyone wants except the usual oil or gems etc, but that whole region you may as well put a huge red line through it, because of it's ancient dark ages ties to religion in that area it is forever lost to conflict and war... for as long as people cling onto those ridiculous notions the area is lost to conflict FOREVER..

can you ever imagine a series of Observatories or Scientific based communities and organizations popping up in that area, no the best thing now is to contain all the idiots there and put a huge barbed wire fence around those who have a make believe friend they call God and call it a day..

 


Posted By: Demolay
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:05pm
Russia is building bases in Syria, increasing their arms supplies, providing more technical support to the Assad regime, while the US and their idiot allies(Abbott) are arming the opposition and soon bombing within Syria, both with the pretext of fighting ISIL who is filling the vacuum this civil war/proxy superpower war is creating, but it is all about religion? Confused 


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:08pm
Fiddles is possessed by Satan, imo.


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by Demolay Demolay wrote:

Russia is building bases in Syria, increasing their arms supplies, providing more technical support to the Assad regime, while the US and their idiot allies(Abbott) are arming the opposition and soon bombing within Syria, both with the pretext of fighting ISIL who is filling the vacuum this civil war/proxy superpower war is creating, but it is all about religion? Confused 


Sorry but who the refugees running from..??

isn't it ISIS they are fleeing from..??


Posted By: Demolay
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Demolay Demolay wrote:

Russia is building bases in Syria, increasing their arms supplies, providing more technical support to the Assad regime, while the US and their idiot allies(Abbott) are arming the opposition and soon bombing within Syria, both with the pretext of fighting ISIL who is filling the vacuum this civil war/proxy superpower war is creating, but it is all about religion? Confused 


Sorry but who the refugees running from..??

isn't it ISIS they are fleeing from..??

According to Tony Abbott, the only problem there is ISIL, but that is for his political purpose. The civil war started in 2011, ISIL only entered the conversation in 2013. They are taking advantage of the situation there, not creating it. The civil war has killed an estimated 210,000 and probably more. Read this article.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/07/us-mideast-crisis-toll-idUSKBN0LB0DY20150207" rel="nofollow - http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/07/us-mideast-crisis-toll-idUSKBN0LB0DY20150207




Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:36pm
Abbott certainly is a scoundrel with his "they're coming to get us all" routine.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:46pm
Islam, in its present Pre- Enlightenment condition, is inherently and by definition incapable of recognising the separation of church and state and is thus incompatible with secular democracy.


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:48pm
Abbott getting more embarrassing by the minute...


 and I really feel for you cafe-sitting latte-sippers, whose lifestyle is about to end...

 try eating nothing for days, walking in 37 degree heat, to escape from possible death...

 house prices through the roof in Australia...wealthy investors feathering already opulent nests...

 then begrudge a better than miserable life to others...

 inhuman...

 

 

 


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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Islam, in its present Pre- Enlightenment condition, is inherently and by definition incapable of recognising the separation of church and state and is thus incompatible with secular democracy.


 I agree, but one must ask the question why would one devout Muslim want to live under a secular regime..?




Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:55pm
The refugees from that region we should be taking are not Muslims.


Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:56pm
Someone wants Syrian Real Estate


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Islam, in its present Pre- Enlightenment condition, is inherently and by definition incapable of recognising the separation of church and state and is thus incompatible with secular democracy.


 I agree, but one must ask the question why would one devout Muslim want to live under a secular regime..?



You'd wonder wouldn't you but many of them don't see any problem migrating to a secular democracy then complaining about most things secular and democratic.


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Someone wants Syrian Real Estate


for what..??




Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Islam, in its present Pre- Enlightenment condition, is inherently and by definition incapable of recognising the separation of church and state and is thus incompatible with secular democracy.


 I agree, but one must ask the question why would one devout Muslim want to live under a secular regime..?



You'd wonder wouldn't you but many of them don't see any problem migrating to a secular democracy then complaining about most things secular and democratic.


and that right there is what s h i tz most people off, the stupid thing for me is that the religion calls for complete faith, no where does it say it's okay to mingle and party on down with the Christians, Hindi's jews and atheists, yet most will willingly break their own religious rules that so they can live under secular roof, but quietly complain that it's not right, so not are they only being unfaithful to their religion, but they are hypocrites to boot.





Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 2:08pm
I can imagine the reception I'm going to get when I move to Saudi Arabia then tell them I don't respect their laws and their religion is a crock.


Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

The refugees from that region we should be taking are not Muslims.


They can go to Germany and Turkey


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

The refugees from that region we should be taking are not Muslims.


They can go to Germany and Turkey


funny that they don't want to settle in Turkey, and funny that when refugees were coming here via the boats why did they not stop in Indonesia, there's no war going on there either..??




Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Someone wants Syrian Real Estate


for what..??




land is a resource. someone is expanding their country.
I will give you a hint. Its not Palestine.


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Someone wants Syrian Real Estate


for what..??




land is a resource. someone is expanding their country.
I will give you a hint. Its not Palestine.


yes well we all know they are notorious for stealing land around them that's not rightly theirs, but again that all goes back to religion and the holy land blah blah bleh bleh...




Posted By: Demolay
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 2:30pm
A more global geopolitical view might offer a clearer perspective of what is going on there


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by Demolay Demolay wrote:

A more global geopolitical view might offer a clearer perspective of what is going on there


might..??

I seriously doubt it, religious conflict has been the mainstay in that region since the imaginary son of God rose from his imaginary death bed..Confused


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

I can imagine the reception I'm going to get when I move to Saudi Arabia then tell them I don't respect their laws and their religion is a crock.


I'd imagine it would result in something to do with a large knife or axe, your head,.. and a plate..??




Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 5:38pm
Its not a refugee crisis.
Its an Invasion.

Order by Chaos.

Syria is being slaughtered by Russia.

Fiddles, if you want to talk about religion, then talk about Communism.

How many Catholics in Hungary are currently murdering Syrian refugees??



Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 6:15pm


this blew my mind..








Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 6:21pm
Deary me Fiddle, you couldn't give us a brief overview could you? 1 1/2hrs..................I've got stuff to do & rarely have that long to spare unless it's rivetting Big smile

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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 9:54pm
If you watch the first 1:50 you'll get an idea of what the documentary is about...pay particular attention to the captain who talks about children being raped and by who...


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 10:04pm
Thanks Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 10:46am
an extra 10,000 refugees, with a massive shortage of public housing in this country, I just wonder where on earth do they think they will house these people..?? Jobs are not a problem there's plenty of work, but where on earth are people supposed to live..??




Posted By: Demolay
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 11:59am
Where will we house the 200,000 that will arrive this year under the normal immigration program?

Perhaps cut that by 10-20,000? 


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

an extra 10,000 refugees, with a massive shortage of public housing in this country, I just wonder where on earth do they think they will house these people..?? Jobs are not a problem there's plenty of work, but where on earth are people supposed to live..??


Really ? I doubt too many of these people would slot into what jobs are available.


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:08pm
thousands of people holding candle light vigils for the boy who drowned off Turkey...what about the thousands of other children that have died needlessly, this is getting out of hand...the father should never had put those children in such a dangerous situation as a leaking gelatity blow up raft in rough seas, where he had no chance of looking after them all properly, did the lad even have a life jacket on..??




Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

an extra 10,000 refugees, with a massive shortage of public housing in this country, I just wonder where on earth do they think they will house these people..?? Jobs are not a problem there's plenty of work, but where on earth are people supposed to live..??


Really ? I doubt too many of these people would slot into what jobs are available.


okay then so you are happy for them to go on benefits...??


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

an extra 10,000 refugees, with a massive shortage of public housing in this country, I just wonder where on earth do they think they will house these people..?? Jobs are not a problem there's plenty of work, but where on earth are people supposed to live..??


Really ? I doubt too many of these people would slot into what jobs are available.


okay then so you are happy for them to go on benefits...??
In the short term at least they would need full assistance, including accomodation.


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:


Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

an extra 10,000 refugees, with a massive shortage of public housing in this country, I just wonder where on earth do they think they will house these people..?? Jobs are not a problem there's plenty of work, but where on earth are people supposed to live..??



Really ? I doubt too many of these people would slot into what jobs are available.


okay then so you are happy for them to go on benefits...??


You have an amazing sense of entitlement for an immigrant.


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

an extra 10,000 refugees, with a massive shortage of public housing in this country, I just wonder where on earth do they think they will house these people..?? Jobs are not a problem there's plenty of work, but where on earth are people supposed to live..??


Really ? I doubt too many of these people would slot into what jobs are available.


okay then so you are happy for them to go on benefits...??
In the short term at least they would need full assistance, including accomodation.


let us step one step, what jobs would these people not slot into and why..??




Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:


You have an amazing sense of entitlement for an immigrant.


really, why is that..??




Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:41pm

What sort of jobs do you have in mind for these people, fiddles ?



Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

What sort of jobs do you have in mind for these people, fiddles ?



what a pointless question, you are the one stating they wouldn't slot into jobs, how about you tell us what the jobs they wouldn't slot into are..??

All I said was there is plenty of work here that's not an issue, it's generic...there are job vacancies everywhere in Australia for all sorts of work..




Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:46pm
I am saying they would be difficult to place in work, in most cases, and you are wrong to think there is plenty of work available generally, right now. So again, what are these jobs for people who probably speak little or no English, as well.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 12:52pm
There is bound to be a back-lash in Europe if the flood of immigrants continues, once you create the idea that there is an open door, many more will want to come. They can't take a continuing influx that has no end to it.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 1:06pm

Syrian migrant crisis: Christians to get priority as Abbott faces pressure to take in more refugees

By political reporter http://www.abc.net.au/news/4787636" rel="nofollow - Anna Henderson and political editor http://www.abc.net.au/news/chris-uhlmann/166950" rel="nofollow - Chris Uhlmann

Updated

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/syrian-kurdish-refugee-fleeing-reutersjpg/6757498" rel="nofollow">Refugees flee Islamic States reign of terror http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/syrian-kurdish-refugee-fleeing-reutersjpg/6757498" rel="nofollow - Photo: Millions of Syrian refugees have fled areas controlled by Islamic State militants, fearing the group's reign of terror. (Reuters: Murad Sezer, file photo)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/baird-open-to-accepting-more-than-10000-syrian-refugees/6756744" rel="nofollow - Related Story: Australia could accept more than 10,000 Syrian refugees: Baird
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-07/calls-for-coalition-to-accept-more-syrian-asylum-seekers/6756474" rel="nofollow - Related Story: Liberal MP calls on Government to accept up to 50,000 Syrians
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The Abbott Government wants to restrict any intake of Syrian refugees to minorities which are largely Christian, as passions run high in the Coalition over the way Australia should handle the crisis in Syria.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott is http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/baird-open-to-accepting-more-than-10000-syrian-refugees/6756744" rel="nofollow - under increasing pressure to increase this year's humanitarian intake of 13,750 people , but has put off a decision while further international consultations are conducted.

Labor is pushing for an additional intake of 10,000 people, while the Greens want double that number.

Beyond the debate over numbers there is an argument over what kind of refugees should be accepted.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/julie-bishop-flags-more-discussion-on-syrian/6757196" rel="nofollow - Audio: Julie Bishop flags more talk on Syrian refugee intake; discusses political and military solutions (AM)

Government ministers, like Malcolm Turnbull, have argued for accepting more Syrian Christians, and Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has nominated minorities like the Yazidis.

One backbencher told the ABC the message being sent to the Prime Minister by some in the Coalition was clear: "No more Muslim men".

Mr Turnbull said yesterday he was very concerned about the plight of Christian communities in Syria.

"They are a minority, they survived in Syria, they've been there for thousands of years, literally since the time of Christ," he said.

"But in an increasingly sectarian Middle East, you have to ask whether the, the gaps, the spaces that they were able to live and survive in will any longer be available."

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/julie-bishop-discusses-syria-asylum-seeker-crisis/6757318" rel="nofollow - Video: Julie Bishop discusses Syria asylum seeker crisis (ABC News)

Ms Bishop told AM the Government was looking at the best way to offer both temporary and permanent protection options for those fleeing the crisis.

"I think that Christian minorities are being persecuted in Syria and even if the conflict were over they would still be persecuted," she said.

"So I believe there will be a focus on ensuring we can get access to those persecuted ethnic and religious minorities who will have no home to return to even when the conflict is over.

"That includes Maronites, it includes Yazidis, there are Druzes, there are a whole range of ethnic and religious minorities that make up the populations in both Syria and Iraq.

"We'll be focusing our attention particularly on the families who are in the refugee camps along the border of Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey."

'Persecuted minorities' must be the focus: Bernadi

Yesterday in the Senate Liberal backbencher Cory Bernardi said persecuted minorities must be the focus on Australia's efforts.

"The Christians in the Middle East are among the most persecuted people on Earth," he told the Senate.

"If we can provide safe haven to them, then I say we should do it. And that is what the Prime Minister has said."

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-08/cory-bernardi/6757440" rel="nofollow - Video: Bernardi questions motivations of those trying to enter Europe (ABC News)

Senator Bernardi also questioned the motivation of thousands of those who are trying to enter Europe.

"This seems to me to be becoming an opportunistic cycle which is masking the true humanitarian need that is the responsibility of all Western nations," he said.

"That is the challenge for us - to distinguish between those who are being opportunistic and those are truly in need."

Government backbencher Ewen Jones said Australia had the capacity to take up to 50,000 refugees.

But the calls for ever larger intakes were rebuffed by another Coalition backbencher, Andrew Nikolic.

"We will do this is an evidence-based way," he said. "We're not going to do it in a way with this rhetoric of trying to out-compassion each other."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has cautioned against singling out particular groups for refugee places.

"Being a victim of war doesn't know a particular religion, we're interested in making sure that minorities and oppressed groups have the access to safety," he said

"But if you're a woman facing terrible crimes to be committed against you, if you're a child, a little child, potentially drowning at sea, I'm not interested in their religion, I'm interested in their safety."



Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 1:22pm
I have a problem with those that refused to be processed in Hungary and demanding they be let into Germany, gee anyone who isn't really a refugee could be among the, this leaves all sorts of dodgy holes for criminals to cross borders willy nilly...


Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 1:25pm
Persecuted minorities in Syria should get first stab at gaining refugee status = that would mean any Atheists..?







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