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Topic: Age Limit on Racehorses
Posted By: Shawy38
Subject: Age Limit on Racehorses
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 11:18am
When did this rule occur?  Didn't Mustard still race at 15 or something a couple of years ago?
The horse is in career best form, I don't see why he should be banned?

Time’s up, Neil

TWELVE-year-old Run Neil Run continued his career-best form with a second at Geelong Synthetic yesterday, which followed a win and a third there also in 0-58 class.

But the gelding is close to his last run as the Rules Of Racing state that 13-year-olds, which is what Run Neil Run will turn on August 1, are banned from racing.

Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey said there were no exceptions. (Herald Sun 15/7/15)




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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 11:23am
only lightly raced 54 starts for a 13 year old doesn't seem alot

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Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 11:55am
That's strange.  The only rule I can find is :

AR 45B A horse that is aged 12 or more years shall not be permitted to start in any race unless it has undergone a pre-race veterinary examination which satisfies the Stewards that the horse should be permitted to start. [added 1/06/11].




Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 12:17pm
Happily all's not lost since they've added the 'unless......' clause which should permit those deemed fit, happy & healthy to continue on Smile

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 12:18pm
The age of entitlement and Greek style early retirement is over- horses to race till 20.


Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 12:21pm
Two 13yos and a 14yo running in Britain & Ireland today.  No rule about it I think, trainers and owners are trusted to be sensible and responsible about it, without the need for a rule.  Some horses are retired, and then come back into training because they're unhappy.

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TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 12:23pm
changed it recently - there was an article about a horse in NSW who has to retire end of this month as he's turning 13 and was trying to get to some 200 starts - apparently bleeding hearts complained too much about old horses getting raced - in my opinion the vetting rule seemed more reasonable

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to the victor


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 12:46pm
Yes linghi, I think he's actually 13 now but could be wrong & whilst his name escapes me, it's something like King Of The West Confused

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 12:52pm
What's a bigger concern,horses starting to early or racing at an old age?


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by Heavy10 Heavy10 wrote:

What's a bigger concern,horses starting to early or racing at an old age?

if you read about their bone maturity - then definitely the former 


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to the victor


Posted By: bachi
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 1:19pm
Yeah I was reading the rules in a racing calendar only a couple of nights ago and Mustard popped into my head.

Of course I can't find the book now but it said something like you need special permission to race in your 12th year then retire at 13.


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You should never be in a hurry unless your 50 metres from the post and you're in front!


Posted By: OndaPunt
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 1:24pm
This horse raced in June and is 14. 


STAR OF UNIVERSE

14yo Chestnut Gelding
D.O.B: 20-Oct-2000
by SKY CHASE (NZ)  from OCTEDI
http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/PedigreeSearch.aspx?horseName=Star+of+Universe&sireName=Sky+Chase&damName=Octedi" rel="nofollow - 5x Pedigree Report  

StatusActive
Owner’s Details (updated nightly)Mr J P Thompson, Mrs D M Thompson, Mr B R E Thompson
Stewards EmbargoesCurrent - Nil
Emergency Vaccination Record http://www.studbook.org.au/horse.aspx?hid=761236&pagetype=VCCN" rel="nofollow - (Click here for more details)
Last Gear Change*13-Jul-2009, Blinkers, Off
Trainer http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MjE0NjI3NDEzMA%3d%3d&trainername=Mr+Brett+Thompson" rel="nofollow - Mr Brett Thompson  (Gulgong)
Racing ColoursWhite, Black Spots, Dark Green Sleeves
CareerSummary: 195-21:22:23    Prizemoney: $160,470     
Min/Max-Dist-Win: 1100/2175     1st Up: 16:1-1-1    2nd Up: 16:0-1-6     
Firm: 12:0-1-1     Good: 132:12-15-17     Soft: 46:8-6-4     Heavy: 4:1-0-0    Synthetic:0:0-0-0
Note: NSW & WA Gear Changes may be incomplete 

http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?HorseCode=MTc3NDgyMjE0MA%3d%3d&src=horsesearch" rel="nofollow - Recent Form
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4th of 7 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MjM1NTU3MjMxMA%3d%3d#Race6" rel="nofollow - CBAR 09May15  1370m Good BM45 $6,000 ($225)  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MjE4Mjc2MDU4MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Jake Pracey-Holmes (a)  57.5kg Barrier 5 Rtg 42 
1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjU2MTgxNTYyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=MjU3NDc0NTk5MjA%3d" rel="nofollow - The End  54kg, 2nd  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjU3MTQ1MjUyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=MjU3NDc0NTk5MjA%3d" rel="nofollow - Right of Reply  60.5kg 1:22.65, 2.8L $11
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1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjYyODg0MjU4MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=MjU3ODIwMDgwNzA%3d" rel="nofollow - Topending  56.5kg, 2nd  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjYyNjc4NDE2MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=MjU3ODIwMDgwNzA%3d" rel="nofollow - The Iliad  61kg 1:35.93 (600m 36.50), 2.6L, 11th@800m, 7th@400m $61
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1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjU3OTU1Nzg5MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=MjU4NTE3ODk2MDA%3d" rel="nofollow - Basic Model  53kg, 2nd  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQ3Njc5NTIzMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=MjU4NTE3ODk2MDA%3d" rel="nofollow - Declasse  56.5kg 1:53.14, 11.5L $17
4th of 11 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MjM1NTc3MTYwMA%3d%3d#Race3" rel="nofollow - WALG 13Jun15  1600m Good BM45 $6,000 ($225)  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MjE4Mjc2MDU4MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Jake Pracey-Holmes (a)  56.5kg Barrier 3 Rtg 40 
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 1:27pm
Thanks OndaPunt, I knew someone'd come to the rescue! I can never remember his name & God knows, he's been around long enough LOL

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 1:28pm
yes the article was about him - he'd been vetted and passed under the old rules but now has to retire

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to the victor


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 1:42pm
Silly arbitrary rule, imo. Pandering to whom, I wonder.


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 1:59pm
Has TBV applied the same rule to Maccamax... Anyone heard from him ? ,I hope he is ok and still with us. Havent seen him here for ages

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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Has TBV applied the same rule to Maccamax... Anyone heard from him ? ,I hope he is ok and still with us. Havent seen him here for ages
He's been "re-birthed" as "blackdog", having had some problem with the log-in of his old name. Which I also had a while back.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Heavy10 Heavy10 wrote:

What's a bigger concern,horses starting to early or racing at an old age?


There is no concern about either.

Every horse should be judged on its own merits.

As Geraldo says above, Owners and trainers should be sensible enough and trust worthy enough to not warrant a rule on the old age question and the same should apply for 2yos.



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reductio ad absurdum


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Heavy10 Heavy10 wrote:

What's a bigger concern,horses starting to early or racing at an old age?
Stats from the major countries have consistently shown that horses who raced as 2yos have much more longevity & win more p'money than those started later.
The system responds best, both physiologically & anatomically, to stress, at an early, rather than late stage with 4yo+ taking twice as long to recover from stressful workouts than 2 or 3yos. Hence the reason for mini preps in youngsters vs. nothing being done 'till they're 4+ 'because they needed to mature'. The latter will continually go shinsore at best, chip joints & strain tendons/ligs at worst, making it very hard & tedious to train & race successfully.
Of course there are exceptions Wink


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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 2:42pm
read that article too Gay and wondered if the results are somewhat skewed as I'd imagine majority of racehorses not raced at 2 or 3 may perhaps have something wrong with them to begin with - and would of course result in poor longevity 

as their vertebrae are almost the last bones to fuse in their body, I'd hazard a guess that a very light and experienced/balanced rider is paramount during early stages most of all 


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to the victor


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Has TBV applied the same rule to Maccamax... Anyone heard from him ? ,I hope he is ok and still with us. Havent seen him here for ages

He's been "re-birthed" as "blackdog", having had some problem with the log-in of his old name. Which I also had a while back.


Good to hear thanks

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The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on....


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 4:30pm
I can't find anything in the rules apart from -

AR 45B A horse that is aged 12 or more years shall not be permitted to start in any race unless it has undergone a pre-race veterinary examination which satisfies the Stewards that the horse should be permitted to start. [added 1/06/11].

That's from the latest edition July 2015.  There doesn't appear to be a local rule either except in WA.

Can anyone reference where the new rule is ?


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 4:39pm
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/australias-oldest-racehorse-star-of-universe-to-miss-200-starts-as-retirement-age-to-be-introduced-20150615-gho8k7.html

must start Aug 1


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to the victor


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 4:51pm
Thanks for that. 

The rule hasn't been gazetted  (no wonder I can't find it) and it seems that they intend to introduce it as you say from 1 August. 

It reminds me of old Jorrocks, the champion of the 1840's who raced until he was 19 years old.  He won his last race at 18 years at Bathurst when the horse he was racing lost his rider.  When he finally gave it away at Homebush in 1850 they gave him three cheers that was heard two miles away.  He lived until 27 years of age at the Clifden Stud and is buried there, the grave marked with a cairn that is now within the Richmond RAAF base. 




Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 4:53pm
I suspect it's a media beat up, conveniently omitting the "......... unless it has undergone a pre-race veterinary examination which satisfies the......................" clause, it sure wouldn't be the 1st time Smile

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 5:08pm
The trouble with new rules is they never seem to include ones that curtail the introduction of unnecessary new rules.


Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 5:49pm
That would be the most ridiculous rule ever...I see umteen horses close 20 yro competing on equestrienne circuits in all fields, in NZ I have seen 15 yro jumpers still going round & they love it, these old horses have a better life having a few runs a year than falling into the hands of a hair-brain pony clubber who forgets about them after the novelty wears off...if they are healthy and sound I cant see why not!


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 6:30pm

http://www.spiritoftheturf.com/latest_stories/run_neil_run___twelve_years_young/" rel="nofollow - Run Neil Run - Twelve Years Young

Tim Wood
July 03, 2015

When a spirited two year old chestnut named Run Neil Run made his debut back in March 2005, TVN did not even exist. Ten years later and the racing station has gone, but the now twelve year old sprinter is still going strong.  So strong in fact, that he added another chapter to his unique story on June 23rd, bringing up his first win in over six years at Geelong. His patient trainer, Ballarat’s Kevin McCartin, was naturally over joyed with the result. “It was a really good run because he came so wide on the home turn” McCartin explained. “He was probably about six wide and so they got away from him, but he still mowed them down. I thought at the 200 metre mark he was a chance as he was making ground slowly, but then all of a sudden he seemed to take off. We got a real kick out of it, particularly because we’ve had him such a very long time”. 

It’s been nearly nine years since McCartin first obtained Run Neil Run for next to nothing from his long-time friend Neil Menz. Then a three year old with just 10 starts to his name, he was in the Stawell stable of Terry O’Sullivan. O’Sullivan had long trained horses for Menz and together they had enjoyed success for the best part of 20 years. Even though it is now almost a decade since Run Neil Run left his stable, O’Sullivan still took a keen interest when he saw the veteran was racing at Geelong last week. “When I saw him I thought to myself, `gee Kev, you don’t give up easy’” O’Sullivan said. “Naturally I was really pleased he won the race. It’s been a great performance by Kevin to keep him going so long”.  The Stawell trainer recalled last week how the horse had shown some ability, but that he was also a bit of a handful around the stable. “I remember that he was a nice looking chestnut, but that he used to play up a bit and he was a bit of a difficult horse. I do recall taking him to Horsham one day and he went through the running rail”.  This incident would mark the first turning point in the career of Run Neil Run.

Neil Menz had bred Run Neil Run from a well credentialed, but poorly behaved, mare named Judith Louise. “I bought her as a broodmare and she was a well breed mare, but she was a bit of a bandit and she passed that trait onto him in spades” Menz recalled. He vividly remembers that day at Horsham that almost ended the sprinters career.  “He was always getting into trouble. That day at Horsham he’d drawn one or two and he jumped well, but then when straight through the inside fence for no reason and then out into the carpark and ended up on the streets. That was enough for me and I retired him to a paddock at home”.  After just 10 starts and not even so much as a place to his name, the Run Neil Run story would have ended then and there, had it not been for the invention of Menz’s long-time friend Kevin McCartin. Working from Menz’s property, McCartin crossed paths with the horse and sensed the potential. “I thought he was a nice horse and I knew his mother had won at Flemington, so I was keen to get a hold of him” McCartin said. “I felt that if I could iron him out and mend his ways, we might be able to have a bit of fun with him”.  Menz gave the horse to McCartin for virtually nothing and so began a new chapter.  

After a year and a half on the sidelines, Run Neil Run resumed his career for McCartin in 2008 and within four starts had recorded a maiden win at Geelong. After a few more promising runs, a second win was recorded the followed summer at Colac. However the sprinters form gradually dropped away in the months and years that followed, and after several preparations and 19 starts without a placing, he was eventually retired in December 2011.  It was here the story would have ended once and for all, had it not been for Run Neil Run’s zest for racing.  “He was flying around the paddocks at home just like a two year old, and so my kids said, `Dad give that horse another go’.  I agreed and so we brought him back in for one more go”.  Despite his age, the sprinter returned to racing as healthy as ever in November 2013.  “He is the soundest horse I have ever had” said McCartin.  “He has never had a bandage on his legs or anything like that. He has got a good constitution, although he can be a bit hyperactive.  He should have won a lot of other races but he’s never had much luck. He can be a bit tardy away and there is only one way to ride him – let him get balanced and come with one run”. 

The horse would gradually regain some form, and by early 2015 McCartin sensed a win was a distinct possibility.  His confidence grew on the back of an eye catching run at Donald in early May. Frustratingly for McCartin, his hope were dashed by the weather at his next start at Swan Hill. “That race at Donald was a good run and so I took him to Swan Hill confident that he would go well on a better track because he’s no good on wet ground.  Well you wouldn’t believe it, but when I got up there it was rain affected”.  Run Neil Run ran last, but to avoid the problem he decided to try the horse on the synthetic at Geelong.  It did the trick as Run Neil Run scored a much deserved win. In a nice touch, Neil Menz, who had remained a part of the journey throughout, was also on course to celebrate the occasion.  “The horse lives on my property so I still see him virtually every day” Menz explained. “I was there at Geelong and for him to win after six and a half years was a remarkable feat. I had actually thought Kevin was being a bit optimistic when he brought him back again”. 

For McCartin, the thrill of winning at Geelong was second only to the day he trained a city winner back in the 1980’s.  “The horse was named Versifier and I’d got him more or less for nothing out of a sale ring” he remembered. “He won at Caulfield and then ran third at Adelaide for me, before we sold him to Hong Kong”.  McCartin started his journey in racing at the age of 16 when he worked for trainer Vin Grace.  He then decided to train in his own right a while later. and was lucky enough to be able to train from Menz’s Ballarat property. He has helped to maintain the property which is the home to Menz’s broodmares, whilst training three horses of his own.

Sadly for McCartin, that will soon be down to just two horses as Run Neil Run’s remarkable ten year career will end in just over a month from now. A new rule introduced by Racing Australia will prohibit the horse from racing beyond the age of 12. “We’ve only got five more weeks with him because on the 1st of August he is banned” McCartin explained. “I think it’s a bit of a shame because I would have pushed on otherwise. I probably would have given him five or six weeks off now with the aim of bringing him back around Christmas time when the tracks were better. He is still sound and even this morning when I was working him, he was carrying on like a two year old. I have always had faith in him. Even when he wasn’t winning, he’d trial well and I knew it was just a matter of getting the right race and a bit of luck”.  Run Neil Run is likely to have at least one more start in that time, with McCartin planning on heading back to Geelong next week. “We will press on and go there Tuesday week for another 0-58 over 1200 metres on the synthetic” he said. Perhaps his veteran sprinter could even win again and go out on a winning double, adding another incredible chapter to his unique racing story.  

Update – Run Neil Run ran a solid race at Geelong on July 7, flashing home late to finish in third place. 7 days later he returned to Geelong and finished second for the first time in his amazing ten year career.   



Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 6:33pm

back in the 90's there was a 14 year old first starter at Eagle Farm at a midweek meet, in a 2200 metre race, I kid you not. It ran dismally at 25/1. That is a rather unique occurrence.



Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Has TBV applied the same rule to Maccamax... Anyone heard from him ? ,I hope he is ok and still with us. Havent seen him here for ages



I have been tapped on the shoulder already by the Mayor. Once I hit 25000, I am to be retired.


Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 6:53pm
What a great story and what a stupid rule I wonder what peanut thought that's a good idea!bringing that rule inConfused


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 8:17pm
Will this apply to TROTTERS,PACERS too?


Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

back in the 90's there was a 14 year old first starter at Eagle Farm at a midweek meet, in a 2200 metre race, I kid you not. It ran dismally at 25/1. That is a rather unique occurrence.


There was a horse who had his first start in the Victorian bush in the last 3 or 4 years at the ripe old age of 16 - stuffed if I can track him down though.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2015 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

Will this apply to TROTTERS,PACERS too?

Poor old Master Kiesey what will he do with himself.


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 1:00am
The ratings system has allowed them to continue.

The Authorities saw the loophole and acted. Shame.

Every horse should be evalulated as a singular case.

There are some really old people running around. I heard of some guy,over 90,that can run multiple miles in sub 5 min? or better.

Most of us,in our prime,could never run a mile in under 8 min.


Posted By: LR80
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 1:03am
Think the age limit should be 6 years old. Even though older horses are still capable they should be off in a paddock somewhere living life instead of lining pockets of greedy owners.


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 1:04am
M 85–89

1. Hugh Campbell (88, DE)
    5K    Haddonfield Adrenaline 5K    26:33

2. Lou Lodovico (89, PA)
    5K    Holy Redeemer 5K    33:21

3.  Jerry Johncock (85, MI)
    10M    Striders Saturday Classic    1:45:28


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 1:33am
I used to wonder why years ago, probably over 25 years now, horses would be described in the racebook as "Aged" once they hit seven. For all the punter knew, they could be 10 or 11, not 7. I guess it saved the owners from the "guilt" of racing a horse too long, because there was no definite age for a critic to fasten on to, and a seven year old really wasn't that ancient you could  fairly attract criticism for perservering with it.


Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 2:09am
With all the animal welfare issues currently in racing this seems a very odd one to act on. If a horse is sound and healthy why shouldn't it race?

In every other equestrienne sport that thoroughbreds compete in a 12 year old would be considered in the prime of life. Eventing in particular is much more physically and mentally demanding than running around a flat racetrack.

Very strange new rule.


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 4:38am
Why 13? 

Why not 12 or 10 or 14?

Bloody ridiculous rule ... if a 5 yo is not fit to race, stewards will deal with it in the normal course of their jurisdiction ... what difference does age make?

I bet that most horses that are capable and still racing at 13 will most likely be worthless hacks out of training, and go straight to the knackery, or just pine away in a paddock until they perish.

So much for the welfare issue! ... simply a cost cutting measure. 


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Posted By: Morston
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 5:15am
Sony Somers, trained by Fred Winter, won two 3 mile steeplechases at the age of 18 in the UK.

No reason at all why aging horses can't race if they are still fit enough.

As has been said....plenty are still competing in equestrian events


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 11:56am
Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

back in the 90's there was a 14 year old first starter at Eagle Farm at a midweek meet, in a 2200 metre race, I kid you not. It ran dismally at 25/1. That is a rather unique occurrence.


There was a horse who had his first start in the Victorian bush in the last 3 or 4 years at the ripe old age of 16 - stuffed if I can track him down though.



BK, the horse's name was KNOCK AND SEE.  The story from the Herald Sun is below:

Belated debut - Sweet 16 and never been raced

c/ Herald Sun
12jan04

WHICH horse in Australia would have been the most discussed and raised the most eyebrows in the past few days?

One of the Magic Millions winners, perhaps? Or Reset? Or St Elmo's Fire?

Well, maybe, but probably not.

The nod would go to Knock And See, a 16-year-old entire who, yesterday, made his racetrack debut in a 1200m maiden at the Balnarring picnic fixture.

That's right! Sixteen!

It didn't win, mind you. In fact, Knock And See ran last.

But he didn't collapse, either, and his recovery rate after the event would have pleased most health-check doctors around the straight.

Knock And See was a touch reluctant to enter the starting stalls and didn't jump all that briskly.

But part-owner and trainer Ron Mahoney had a quick explanation for that.

"Well, he'll be much better for the experience, of course," Mahoney noted.

"You should remember that although he might be old, he is a baby in his mind."

Mahoney, in fact, was pleased with the horse's overdue first run, endured a lengthy "grilling" from the stewards, agreed to the presentation of another barrier certificate and said he would proceed with the horse's long-awaited racing career.

Mahoney bred this amazing 16-year-old and, according to the many relations who were at the track yesterday, was determined to get the horse to the racetrack.

"He's quite stubborn," his granddaughter Jane understated.

Mahoney admitted last week that the horse had suffered several setbacks along the way and, at times, he had lost track of just how old he was getting.

But there had been only one serious injury and Mahoney was confident the horse would eventually get to race.

"And despite the fact he ran last, I was quite pleased with the effort. He will be better when he can get over longer distances," he said.

"As for the stewards' grilling, I can cope with that. I'm 76," he said with a grin.

So it's quite likely that Knock And See, who carries the quaint stable nickname "Junior", will be seen racing again before the end of the summer.

And for whoever named this lightly raced veteran, it was fitting that he eventually got to appear in a racebook. Knock And See is by Anyone Home.





Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2015 at 12:50pm
Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Originally posted by BlackKnight BlackKnight wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

back in the 90's there was a 14 year old first starter at Eagle Farm at a midweek meet, in a 2200 metre race, I kid you not. It ran dismally at 25/1. That is a rather unique occurrence.


There was a horse who had his first start in the Victorian bush in the last 3 or 4 years at the ripe old age of 16 - stuffed if I can track him down though.



BK, the horse's name was KNOCK AND SEE.  The story from the Herald Sun is below:

Belated debut - Sweet 16 and never been raced

c/ Herald Sun
12jan04

WHICH horse in Australia would have been the most discussed and raised the most eyebrows in the past few days?

One of the Magic Millions winners, perhaps? Or Reset? Or St Elmo's Fire?

Well, maybe, but probably not.

The nod would go to Knock And See, a 16-year-old entire who, yesterday, made his racetrack debut in a 1200m maiden at the Balnarring picnic fixture.

That's right! Sixteen!

It didn't win, mind you. In fact, Knock And See ran last.

But he didn't collapse, either, and his recovery rate after the event would have pleased most health-check doctors around the straight.

Knock And See was a touch reluctant to enter the starting stalls and didn't jump all that briskly.

But part-owner and trainer Ron Mahoney had a quick explanation for that.

"Well, he'll be much better for the experience, of course," Mahoney noted.

"You should remember that although he might be old, he is a baby in his mind."

Mahoney, in fact, was pleased with the horse's overdue first run, endured a lengthy "grilling" from the stewards, agreed to the presentation of another barrier certificate and said he would proceed with the horse's long-awaited racing career.

Mahoney bred this amazing 16-year-old and, according to the many relations who were at the track yesterday, was determined to get the horse to the racetrack.

"He's quite stubborn," his granddaughter Jane understated.

Mahoney admitted last week that the horse had suffered several setbacks along the way and, at times, he had lost track of just how old he was getting.

But there had been only one serious injury and Mahoney was confident the horse would eventually get to race.

"And despite the fact he ran last, I was quite pleased with the effort. He will be better when he can get over longer distances," he said.

"As for the stewards' grilling, I can cope with that. I'm 76," he said with a grin.

So it's quite likely that Knock And See, who carries the quaint stable nickname "Junior", will be seen racing again before the end of the summer.

And for whoever named this lightly raced veteran, it was fitting that he eventually got to appear in a racebook. Knock And See is by Anyone Home.




Thanks Lord Hybrow - can't believe that was a decade ago!


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 2:46am
this was in Dec 2011...he raced on until March 2012... on the day he retired I was up at Gosford, playing very funny games with him in his stall...he was as cheeky and alert as ever...and he interrupted the games every time a race was broadcast, listened to the call with his head up, then resumed the games...the smartest horse I have encountered in a long racing association... I miss seeing him regularly...

 as far as the rules go...he was thoroughly vet-checked before every race and blood-tested after...and never looked even remotely exhausted...(unlike some others, like Manawanui, who looked knackered after every race..)...every horse should be judged on their merits...

 MUSTARD, the 14-year-old gelding who still acts like a playful colt, is the racehorse defying time.

Trainer John McNair has often thought about retirement for Mustard but the veteran sprinter won't have a bar of it.

Physically, Mustard is as fit as horses half his age and mentally he's sharper than ever - as he proves at trackwork every morning when he engages in a battle of wits with his wily trainer before exercise.

McNair interprets this daily ritual as a sign Mustard still wants to be a racehorse.

"The old horse is always playing mind games with me," McNair said.

"I was having some trouble working him recently so I changed a bit of gear and made it easier to manage him. If he outsmarts me again, I've got to find something else to get him thinking. But that's just Mustard - it's always been a bit of a game to him.

"I think this is probably why he has that longevity about him because he loves what he does and is having fun. I often say he won't retire because he's too old, he'll have to retire when I get too old to ride him."

As McNair prepares Mustard for his 127th race start in the Canterbury Park Handicap (1250m) at Canterbury tomorrow, it is obvious the trainer has a genuine affection for the old horse he regards almost as part of the family.

Which is probably why McNair gets upset when he learns there is some criticism of him for keeping Mustard in training. "You do get people taking pot shots at you for continuing to race him but I'm only doing what Mustard wants to do," McNair said.

"Criticism usually runs off my back anyway, I don't worry about it, but when it comes to Mustard, it does annoy me."

But for every critic, there are 1000 supporters of McNair and his gallant "warhorse".

In fact, McNair reckons the Australian Turf Club should sponsor the ageless Mustard. He wasn't joking either.

Mustard is the oldest racehorse in training, and one of the most popular. He attracts a crowd wherever he races and punters love to have a little something on him, regardless of the odds.

"I see Mustard in the bookmaker's ring at 80/1 but on the tote he is 20/1," McNair said. "Obviously there are a lot of people in Australia who back the horse. He's got a following, that's for sure. Horses like him are good for racing."

There hasn't been a galloper as old as Mustard competing on the flat at this level of Australian racing since ... well, no one knows when. Some steeple-chasers and hurdlers might race on to a similar age but it is very rare for a sprinter like Mustard to retain his speed and remain competitive.



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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 3:25am
just found this article about the old boy...rather fascinating...and the last line is reflective of the thread subject...(there is a mistake about his age in the second paragraph...he had just had his fifteenth birthday, not his 13th...)

 

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It was a little difficult with the conclusion of Sydney’s big carnival to reflect on the fact that there was no Mustard. The grand old warhorse retired in 2012, so this was the first year that we haven’t seen him since he started racing way back in 2001.  In the modern thoroughbred world which sees plenty of young horses barely make it to their 3yo season, it is worth looking a little more closely at the career, and pedigree, of the former black type winner, Mustard.

The most notable thing is that Mustard has just celebrated his 13th birthday. This is a far cry from many horses who seem to struggle to race through their second and third years. To put this into some sort of perspective, Mustard raced against horses like Pimpala Player, Shags, Impaler, Gullcatcher, Academe, Jetspur and even Murphy’s Blu Boy. Of course, he also faced off against one of the great Australian sprinters in Takeover Target, most notably when he ran second to that gelding in the 2004 Pacesetter Stakes in Gosford. If we look at the sires of the runners that Mustard defeated on the weekend, we see that the youngest is Choisir, who was remarkably foaled only a couple of months before Mustard first hit the racetrack. In fact, when Choisir retired to stud after his successful UK campaign, Mustard had had his 30th race start in Australia.

Mustard took his earnings to a little over three quarters of a million dollar with his 16th win at his 107th race start. What may be even more remarkable is that Mustard had some 18 months off racing between August 2007 and April 2009. In an astonishing training performance, Mustard then raced from April 2009 to May 2010 without a spell. His most noted wins came at Group 3 level in the 2006 Star Kingdom Stakes over 1100m at Rosehill beating Shannon Bank and Denmarket, and the Concorde Stakes later that year over the same course and distance, this time defeating Regal Cheer.

The gelding is out of a Rigoletta mare in Altezza who had won two races in Sydney from 1400 to 1550m. She has had an interesting breeding history, with Mustard being her first foal. Unfortunately the mare was to not have another foal until 2006 when she foaled another colt by Magic Albert. To date, this horse named Chromed has yet to earn prize money in three career starts. Altezza subsequently produced a filly by Catbird, and two more colts by Excites and Shaft before again not being covered this last season. None of these later foals have yet made it to the races, so I am sure that connections have high hopes that at least one can follow in the footsteps of Mustard.

Altezza is a daughter of Princess Talaria who won four stakes races in the One Thousand Guineas, Gimcrack Stakes, Edward Manifold Stakes and Marlboro Classic in distances ranging from 1000m to 1600m. Princess Talaria was by the underrated Dignitas, by Round Table. At stud, Princess Talaria was a good producer, with six winners coming from her nine live foals. The best of these was perhaps the stakes placed Pearl Princess by Biscay who ran third in a Gimcrack Stakes. The daughters of Princess Talaria though have gone on to greater success with five of these producing stakes winners of their own. Pearl Princess went on to produce Silver Flyer by Kenmare, while others have produced The Mikado, Valuate, Deianiro and Sir Amadi. Interestingly, the granddaughters of Princess Talaria are also becoming prominent broodmares with Royal Purler and Magsaya both seeing this good mare as their grand dam.

If we were to delve a little further into the pedigree of Mustard though, we see that he has some more famous relatives than these. The female family actually traces to a mare called Field Rose who was imported to Australia from New Zealand around the turn of the 20th century. She actually produced a horse called First Principle, by the Champion Australian stallion, Malster, who was to win the 1914 Doncaster Handicap. A number of good stallions hail from this family, with perhaps the most important being Covetous by Luskin Star who was to produce ten stakes winners including the ill fated St Covet, who was one of the early stallions to stand at Glenlogan Park Stud in Queensland, and the excellent mare, With Me who won seven stakes races including the Group 1 Oakleigh Plate. Another stallion to share this female line was Pag Asa, a relatively moderate sire but the producer of one of New Zealand’s best horses in Bonecrusher. Pag Asa was a full brother to Covetous but stood in New Zealand. He sired seven stakes winners in total, including Quick Score who won the 1992 Apollo Stakes, but will forever be remembered for the deeds of Bonecrusher. Bonecrusher won a total of fifteen stakes races, of which six of these were in Australia. These were the AJC Derby, Australian Cup, Caulfield, Tancred and Underwood Stakes, and the 1986 Cox Plate.

The third interesting stallion from the family comes in the form of Haulpak who was a full brother to Princess Talaria. Haulpak stood in Western Australia and produced 32 stakes winners, although few had success outside of his local state. Among some of his best runners in the east were Chanteclair who won the Tramway, Hobartville and Ampol Stakes and the Epsom Handicap in 1986. Coal Pak had won a number of stakes races in WA before coming over to win the Oakleigh Plate also in that year. Paklani, Roadsong, Ropak and Pashenka’s Gem are other progeny of Haulpak to win stakes races in NSW and Victoria.

Sticks And Stones, the half brother to Haulpak by Faringdon is yet another stallion from this family. He produced only three stakes winners including the listed winners Full Page and Regal Habit. His best progeny was Our Diamond Lover, a result of a mating with this stallion and the wonderful broodmare, Eight Carat. Interestingly, Diamond Lover is the only Australian bred progeny of the mare who was later exported to New Zealand where she struck incredible success when covered by the fathr and son duo of Sir Tristram and Zabeel. Our Diamond Lover won the Group 1 Railway Handicap in WA, but went on to even greater success as a broodmare when she produced four stakes winners in Antwerp, Don Eduardo, Peruzzi and Tristalove. All have gone on to stud with varying amounts of success. Antwerp was to produce the wonderful galloper and good sire in Viscount, while Tristalove has produced full brothers Viking Ruler and Kempinsky. Her daughter, Chimeara also has gone on to produce De Beers, winner of 2006 Rosehill Guineas who now stands at Lindsay Park and whose oldest foals are now yearlings.

This all brings us back to Mustard, who is by Vettori, one of the earlier shuttle stallions. Vettori was a son of Machaivellian, by Mr Prospector, and had won the 1996 French Two Thousand Guineas over 1600m. He came to Australia from 1996 to 2000. Vettori produced only five stakes winners in Australia including Sound Action, who won the Ranvet Stakes and Australasian Oaks, and the grand old galloper, St Basil who won the 2005 Stradbroke as a rising nine year old. If we look at the six generation pedigree of Mustard, we see relatively little duplication of ancestors present. In fact, only the great Nasrullah who is found through his son, Nashua, and his daughter, Courtesy, the dam of Dignitas, and another legendary stallion in Princequillo are repeated. Princequillo appears through his most famous daughter, Somethingroyal, the dam of Sir Gaylord, as well as Quill who is the third dam of Vettori, and his son, Round Table, the sire of Dignitas.

In terms of dosage, we see that Mustard has a profile that reads [0.77/2/25] [10-3-10-3-0]. Often, we will say that the range of dosage indices between 2.00 and 2.50 are synonymous with versatile types of horses. While Mustard has only won between 1100m and 1400m, there are probably some who would argue that there is little in terms of versatility there. However, for those who understand the principles of dosage, much of Varola’s work related to developmental issues. Mustard has raced almost every year from ages two to thirteen, so in terms of versatility relating to age, I suspect that there have ever been many more versatile even if he competed over similar distances.

For those in the industry that seem to think that horses have a use by date, it was great to see old warhorses like Mustard proving that there is more to the thoroughbred than speedy two year olds



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Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 1:04pm


Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 1:12pm
Fantastic stories, not all horses are able to hit the track as 2 & 3yro's some start out quite late for various reasons some are very lightly raced maybe another way to counter the age bias would be if every horse only had an 6 - 8yr racing career cycle most 2yro runners don't go on to race as older horses but a 3yro could race till its 8 or 9...just a thought, or possible a race limit of 50 starts per horse, though I know many would not agree with that restriction 7 see plenty go over the 100 lifetime runs?Approve


Posted By: Nostradamus II
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 1:29pm
Abstract
AIM: To determine the effect of a known training regimen on the size and mineral content of the third metacarpal (Mc3) and third metatarsal (Mt3) bones of 2-year-old Thoroughbred horses trained on racetracks.

METHODS: Mc3 and Mt3 of seven horses trained on grass and sand tracks were scanned at several sites using conventional quantitative and peripheral computed tomography (CT). Bone dimensions and density in the diaphysis and epiphysis were compared with those from seven untrained horses. Calcein label was injected in two clusters, during Weeks 9 and 12. The extent and rate of diaphyseal modelling was determined by confocal fl uorescent microscopic examination of thin plane parallel sections of the mid-metacarpal region.

RESULTS: Volumetric bone mineral density (BMDv) of the epiphysis was markedly higher and of the diaphysis was slightly higher in trained compared with untrained horses, but greater bone size in the trained horses had the greatest effect on an index of bone strength. Active osteons, defined as Haversian systems containing calcein label, were fewer, of smaller diameter at the time of calcein injection, and had a greater bone apposition rate in trained than in untrained horses.

CONCLUSIONS: Conventional training of 2-year-old Thoroughbred racehorses over a 13-week period had a significant effect on bone size, density and strength index when compared to untrained horses.

CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Bone responded rapidly to early training. The data provide reference values and sites for use in longitudinal studies of commercial training regimens.

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Posted By: Campaspe
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by JadeLace JadeLace wrote:

Fantastic stories, not all horses are able to hit the track as 2 & 3yro's some start out quite late for various reasons some are very lightly raced maybe another way to counter the age bias would be if every horse only had an 6 - 8yr racing career cycle most 2yro runners don't go on to race as older horses but a 3yro could race till its 8 or 9...just a thought, or possible a race limit of 50 starts per horse, though I know many would not agree with that restriction 7 see plenty go over the 100 lifetime runs?Approve


The problem is that no matter what blanket rule you bring in, there will always be a horse that is the exception. The first horse I ever trained had his first start (not for me - I was his third and final trainer) in May of his 2yo year, won his second start in June of his 2yo year, was sold as a rising 8yo with a record of six wins from 66 starts, turned over to me as a 9yo with 8 wins from 92 starts, and retired by me as an 11yo with 13 wins from 130 starts - he won start number 128 in January of his 11yo season. He won a race in every calendar year from 1999 to 2008 except for 2000.

In my opinion there shouldn't be any blanket rule, but should be assessed on a case-by-case basis after a horse reaches, perhaps, 10yo or 100 starts (whichever comes first).


Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Campaspe Campaspe wrote:

Originally posted by JadeLace JadeLace wrote:

Fantastic stories, not all horses are able to hit the track as 2 & 3yro's some start out quite late for various reasons some are very lightly raced maybe another way to counter the age bias would be if every horse only had an 6 - 8yr racing career cycle most 2yro runners don't go on to race as older horses but a 3yro could race till its 8 or 9...just a thought, or possible a race limit of 50 starts per horse, though I know many would not agree with that restriction 7 see plenty go over the 100 lifetime runs?Approve


The problem is that no matter what blanket rule you bring in, there will always be a horse that is the exception. The first horse I ever trained had his first start (not for me - I was his third and final trainer) in May of his 2yo year, won his second start in June of his 2yo year, was sold as a rising 8yo with a record of six wins from 66 starts, turned over to me as a 9yo with 8 wins from 92 starts, and retired by me as an 11yo with 13 wins from 130 starts - he won start number 128 in January of his 11yo season. He won a race in every calendar year from 1999 to 2008 except for 2000.

In my opinion there shouldn't be any blanket rule, but should be assessed on a case-by-case basis after a horse reaches, perhaps, 10yo or 100 starts (whichever comes first).


Agree I love to see the oldies go round as long as they are sound why not gee is it just me or is there getting to be too many damn rules in racing , someone seems to get fined for everything these days
Even Sandwiches poor guy...😉


Posted By: jakelw123
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2015 at 5:13pm
Stupid rule. You can completely understand if the horse was unsound, but it's common sense you wouldn't send a horse around being unsound. Some old horses absolutely thrive on racing! We had an old horse who won 5 and was placed 15 times and he was going around until he was 11! He thrived on racing and loved his routine!


Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 12:29pm
This one makes his debut at Warracknabeal on Saturday. I wonder what the story is..

DE KOONING

9yo Bay Gelding
D.O.B: 24-Sep-2008
by AL SAMER from MAMZELLE PERDITA


Trainer     Mr Craig Murfet (Kyneton)

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by Smoke and Mirrors Smoke and Mirrors wrote:

This one makes his debut at Warracknabeal on Saturday. I wonder what the story is..

DE KOONING

9yo Bay Gelding
D.O.B: 24-Sep-2008
by AL SAMER from MAMZELLE PERDITA


Trainer     Mr Craig Murfet (Kyneton)

One fascinating feature about his story would be the fact there are only 8 generations in his pedigree during last century. 

 


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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 2:11pm
Racing.com
Nine-year-old De Kooning will enter new territory for his Kyneton-based trainer Craig Murfet on Saturday - down to debut at Warracknabeal in an 1800-metre maiden.

Months after 10-year-old Ole Snip created a few headlines with a later-life debut for trainer/owner Vic Heading in Queensland, De Kooning's tale is a similar one - the Al Samer gelding set to start from barrier two of the 12-capacity field with 3kg-claiming apprentice Rose Pearson on board.

Murfet had success with Runnarchie in the early 2000s, the horse winning four times for him - including in a hurdle race at the trainer's then home track Flemington in July 2005.

He'll be hoping that De Kooning can fare better then fellow late-starter Ole Snip - who had two starts back in March in which he only managed to beat one runner home - and was subsequently suspended by stewards for 'poor performance'.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 May 2018 at 5:44pm


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