Toronado To Swettenham
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Topic: Toronado To Swettenham
Posted By: Gay3
Subject: Toronado To Swettenham
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 11:29am
True Class Comes to Victoria
Tara Madgwick - Wednesday, 3 June 2015
European
Group I feature mile races produce some of the best turf performers on the
planet each year with this superstar of 2013/2014 headed to Australia for the
first time this spring.
The loss of outstanding sire High Chaparral (IRE) has been highlighted this
season with eight Australian stakes-winners sired by the Epsom Derby winner
headed by Group I winners Contributer and Fenway as well as potential spring
stars Alpine Eagle, Hi World and the Queensland Derby contender Sadler’s Lake,
so it’s little wonder http://www.swettenham.com.au/" rel="nofollow - Swettenham Stud were quick to add his very best European
son http://www.swettenham.com.au/#%21toronado/cwc9" rel="nofollow - Toronado (IRE) to their roster for 2015.
Toronado like so many of the best Australasian bred progeny of High Chaparral, Toronado had
an electric turn of foot and was best placed at a mile claiming the crown of
Joint Champion 3YO Miler in Europe for 2013.
A brilliant unbeaten juvenile, who won each of his three starts at two
highlighted by a win in the Group II Champagne Stakes at Doncaster, the Richard
Hannon trained colt returned at three to contest all the very best mile races.
Fourth in the Group I English 2,000 Guineas to Dawn Approach and then a short
head second to the same colt at Royal Ascot in the Group I St James’s Palace
Stakes, Toronado turned the tables on his arch rival to score a memorable win
in the Group I Sussex Strakes at Goodwood with another high class older miler
in Declaration of War some two and a half lengths back in third place.
Returning at four, Toronado captured the Group I Queen Anne Stakes at Royal
Ascot beating the highly rated US bred More Than Ready stallion Verrazano
comfortably by three-quarters of a length and then finished second to a couple
of high class three year-old colts in Kingman and Charm Spirit in the Group I
Sussex Stakes at Goodwood and Group I Prix du Moulin de Longchamp.
Toronado retired with six wins and three seconds from just 12 starts and is
currently covering his first book of mares at the National Stud at Newmarket.
High Chaparral The first son of High Chaparral to stand in Victoria, http://www.swettenham.com.au/#%21toronado/cwc9" rel="nofollow - Toronado has been priced
competitively at $22,000 for a stallion with his imposing race record and comes
from an intriguing Black Type female family that is not unfamiliar to
Australian breeders.
A two time winner in France by US speed sire Grand Slam, his dam Wana Doo is
from stakes-winner Wedding Gift, who is a half-sister to the very good
broodmare Black Tokk (Fr), who found her way to Australia in 1987.
Black Tokk left Group I SAJC Goodwood Handicap winner French Clock and
stakes-winner Dream About It, the grand-dam of dual Group I winner and $1.6
million earner Heart of Dreams and Group III winner Rightfully Yours.
Other notable Aussie horses in the pedigree are Group III winners Red Typhoon
and Fast Future as well as stakes-winner Ladybird Blue, who was also from Black
Tokk.
The success of this female family in Australia under our unique conditions, coupled
with the achievements of High Chaparral in this part of the world make it hard
not to think Toronado is the ideal prospect to continue the success of the
Sadler’s Wells sire dynasty which has proven so dominant right around the world
in recent years.
Sadler’s Wells sire sons Galileo and Montjeu have both proven themselves
capable of siring Group I producing sires, while his US based son El Prado has
given us Medaglia D’Oro, the sire of this year’s Golden Slipper winner
Vancouver.
High Chaparral now has several of his best sons at stud and is poised to follow
suit as a sire of sires with Toronado offering Victorian breeders an
outstanding opportunity to access one of the best sirelines in the world today
at Swettenham Stud.
Blessed with the good looks that have made the progeny of his sire so popular,
both on the racetrack and in the sale ring, Toronado is ready to pick up right where High Chaparral left off.
We’ll leave the last word on Toronado to respected English
agent John Warren, who has become a regular at Australian yearling sales.
"Toronado is a magnificent correct
individual with tremendous muscle definition which is why he was such a fast
horse. He is the fastest and most precocious son of High Chaparral and his 2yo
winning dam is by the brilliantly fast dual Gr.1 winning 2yo Grand Slam (Gone
West). He looks the perfect horse for Australia with the combination of his pedigree,
powerful physique and high class performances.”
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 1:56pm
Do like this boy. I am sure he will make it.
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Posted By: brogers
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2015 at 7:45am
He's a ripping type. Saw him in Newmarket last month. He should leave a good sort for a start.
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2015 at 9:29am
brogers wrote:
He's a ripping type. Saw him in Newmarket last month. He should leave a good sort for a start.
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Totally agree. Also raced against what was a very good crop in Dawn Approach, Verrazano, Kingman etc.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 3:54pm
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 5:34pm
Like him also. But balked at booking into him at $22k solely on the basis that his dam's only other winning progeny was successful in a lowly Maiden Steeple in Italy.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 6:14pm
I wouldn't worry too much Second Chance. I hark back to Star Kingdom. Nothing close to him but a wonderful female line back past the 5th generation.
We don't have to go back that far here to find Vaguely Noble. Another a bit further is Pandour who was a pretty good stallion out here.
You can't make female line class appear out of nowhere but it can go to sleep for a few generations sometimes. But if you get a good one he has got the good genes on offer and hopefully will pass those on.
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Posted By: Slipper
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2015 at 9:45pm
I love this horse! I'm just sorry I don't have $22k.
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Posted By: troppo75
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 11:35am
he looks great
bit of a grimace reading that gone west is good for australia... either im heavily biased but I cant think of many sires with gone west who have done well out here? Might be one or two.. but he wouldn't be a spruik aspect for me
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Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 3:16pm
troppo75 wrote:
he looks great
bit of a grimace reading that gone west is good for australia... either im heavily biased but I cant think of many sires with gone west who have done well out here? Might be one or two.. but he wouldn't be a spruik aspect for me
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West Quest formally from Armidale is Tassie, he did a phenomenal job considering he never got to have the cream of the crop mares:RIP
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2015 at 8:53pm
Hello, I noted that Toronado is from the same damline as Lombard (by Agio), bred and raced in Germany. hje ran until as 7 year old and was germ,any first "Galloping Millionaire". Unfortunatelxy he wasn't a great Sire, but his claim to fame he is the Sire of Allegretta.
Therefore I did a Hypomating Toronado (High Chapparal)/Lombard (Agio): within 6 Generations they share Sdalers Wells, Mr. Prospector, ND, Nativer Dancer + 6x7 Belle Sauvage + HB Relko/Reliance
An interesting Feature in the ped of Sassafras (damline Toronado), Barley Corn is bred 3x3 Serenissima.
As already mentioned Vaguely Noble is from the same damline, as RB Chesne, Lead on Time, Paddy Return. Vaguely Noble sons are Ace of Aces, Empery, Gay Menece, Gonzales, Missisipian, Royal and Regal and Terreno, exported to NZ, just to name a few. Not to Forget his fillies Nobiliarity, Jet Ski Lady and of course Dahlia and her Sons.
regards, Ticino
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Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2015 at 4:23pm
Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2015 at 4:31pm
Apologies. Tried to post a photo of this equine god and stuffed it completely. Apparently they took a stack of orders after he paraded
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2015 at 2:00am
He looks unstoppable. I've got no skin in the game, but blind freddy could see what they've got here. I bet when he got off the float & had a look around the place, the staff at Swettenham must've felt like a footy club and the reincarnation of Tony Lockett just walked through the door.
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Posted By: Off and racing
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2015 at 11:42pm
Very good value at the fee. This guy was an absolute superstar on the track. Hope he gets some big books and is back for many years to come. He is a big plus for Victoria. All class
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Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 1:47pm
Did anyone send a mare to this fellow? Looking at photos of his foals they look incredible types... had a weanling in the northern hemisphere sell for over $300k the other day. Tempting proposition....
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 2:50pm
Kristen Manning is pretty fastidious re matings & her group sent The French House, now positive, to him
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 11:39am
Keep The Faith mares (presumably local to Swettenham's area) would duplicate Carduel through 3/4 siblings Always Fair & Duelling Girl... the cruel irony is that they might not be in the $22k price bracket.
Distance between stock might've gotten in the way of High Chap/Sunday Silence crosses, that & the possibility that they just didn't suit on type.... surely Swettenham would try?
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Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 7:23pm
Wonder if that's a reason they were attracted to standing Trust in a Gust? Being by Keep The Faith, and having Storm Cat, an 8c family member that Family 1 seems to respond to... from looking at my mares family anyway lol..
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Posted By: Roidz
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 9:23pm
Friends of mine have a Toronado colt. Ripper foal with a lot of presence and attitude.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 6:39pm
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 7:39pm
Kristen Manning has a lovely The French House filly foal which is a wonderful match
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 8:34pm
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 8:50pm
Will no doubt be shown the error of my ways quick smart, but can't quite see what a breeding consultant like KM would see in the Toronado - The French House match.
ps the above photo of Toronado does him no justice whatsoever.
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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 9:08pm
Is sweetenhams stallion EQUIANO a flop? i see quite few around, need soft going as a rule. doesnt seem to be throwing many good ones.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 9:12pm
Toronado (IRE) Bay 2010 | High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Delsy | 1975 1972 | 1-l 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Koblenza | 1976 1966 | 2-o 1-n | Wana Doo Bay 2000 | Grand Slam Bay or brown 1995 | Gone West Bay 1984 | Mr Prospector Secrettame | 1970 1978 | 13-c 2-f | Bright Candles Chestnut 1987 | El Gran Senor Christmas Bonus | 1981 1978 | 8-f 9-c | Wedding Gift Bay or brown 1993 | Always Fair Bay 1985 | Danzig Carduel | 1977 1978 | 7-a 19-b | Such Style Bay 1977 | Sassafras Regal Lady | 1967 1970 | 8-c 1-d | The French House (AUS) Bay 2011 | Dylan Thomas Bay 2003 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Lagrion Chestnut 1989 | Diesis Chestnut 1980 | Sharpen Up Doubly Sure | 1969 1971 | 5-i 2-o | Wrap It Up Chestnut 1979 | Mount Hagen Doc Nan | 1971 1963 | 1-p 9-c | Deraismes Brown 2003 | Grand Lodge Chestnut 1991 | Chief's Crown Bay 1982 | Danzig Six Crowns | 1977 1976 | 7-a 23-b | La Papagena Bay or brown 1983 | Habitat Magic Flute | 1966 1968 | 4-r 14-b | Assertive Lady Bay or brown 1993 | Assert Bay 1979 | Be My Guest Irish Bird | 1974 1970 | 8-c 8-c | Cairene Bay 1982 | Artaius Jem Jen | 1974 1977 | 14-c 14-c |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 5m | | Danzig | 5m x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 9:20pm
Second Chance wrote:
Will no doubt be shown the error of my ways quick smart, but can't quite see what a breeding consultant like KM would see in the Toronado - The French House match. |
Thanks for the pedigree chart Djebel , one which would appear to support my reservations.
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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 9:22pm
cabosanlucas wrote:
Is sweetenhams stallion EQUIANO a flop? i see quite few around, need soft going as a rule. doesnt seem to be throwing many good ones. |
Pretty avg. I am sure he hasnt returned?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 9:30pm
Why are we talking about Equiano?
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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 9:36pm
Sir Gov wrote:
cabosanlucas wrote:
Is sweetenhams stallion EQUIANO a flop? i see quite few around, need soft going as a rule. doesnt seem to be throwing many good ones. |
Pretty avg. I am sure he hasnt returned? |
not sure, you could be right though. yeah...pretty avg i think.
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Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:08pm
Tail female families 1 & 14 tend to work well together, from the research I've done on my own mare who is a family 1. I note Dylan Thomas and Grand Slam are both family 9-C mares cover by family 2 stallions, which possibly may like each others blood... then the French House on the tail, and Nearctic both trace to the same mare...
There's a bit going on there...
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:07pm
Second Chance wrote:
Will no doubt be shown the error of my ways quick smart, but can't quite see what a breeding consultant like KM would see in the Toronado - The French House match.
ps the above photo of Toronado does him no justice whatsoever. |
Ime, Kristen is a fan of duplicating Blue Hens & family affinities so the Doubly Sure dups & high incidence of the No. 2 families would have appealed along with almost all males on her side being carried by Toronado too. Furious would no doubt manage to dissect her reasoning far better than I tho'
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:21pm
Any chance of getting that pedigree blown up please Gay ?
I understand you probably would have if you could have but I thought I would ask anyway.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:43pm
I was hoping someone might suggest how as it's got me ed The forum won't accept it as a copy/paste & I don't like the HTML format. Might be better by going to View then Zoom, I'll try it.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:58pm
h Chaparral 1999 |
Sadler's Wells 1981 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic 1954 |
Nearco 1935 |
Pharos 1920 |
Phalaris Scapa Flow |
1913 - 1-i 1914 - 13-e |
Nogara 1928 |
Havresac II Catnip |
1915 - 8-h 1910 - 4-r |
Lady Angela 1944 |
Hyperion 1930 |
Gainsborough Selene |
1915 - 2-n 1919 - 6-e |
Sister Sarah 1930 |
Abbots Trace Sarita |
1917 - 4-j 1924 - 14-c |
Natalma 1957 |
Native Dancer 1950 |
Polynesian 1942 |
Unbreakable Black Polly |
1935 - 4-i 1936 - 14-a |
Geisha 1943 |
Discovery Miyako |
1931 - 23-b 1935 - 5-f |
Almahmoud 1947 |
Mahmoud 1933 |
Blenheim Mah Mahal |
1927 - 1-e 1928 - 9-c |
Arbitrator 1937 |
Peace Chance Mother Goose |
1931 - 10-d 1922 - 2-d |
Fairy Bridge 1975 |
Bold Reason 1968 |
Hail To Reason 1958 |
Turn-To 1951 |
Royal Charger Source Sucree |
1942 - 9-c 1940 - 1-w |
Nothirdchance 1948 |
Blue Swords Galla Colors |
1940 - 7 1943 - 4-n |
Lalun 1952 |
Djeddah 1945 |
Djebel Djezima |
1937 - 5-j 1933 - 13-c |
Be Faithful 1942 |
Bimelech Bloodroot |
1937 - 1-x 1932 - 19-b |
Special 1969 |
Forli 1963 |
Aristophanes 1948 |
Hyperion Commotion |
1930 - 6-e 1938 - 9-c |
Trevisa 1951 |
Advocate Veneta |
1940 - 4-k 1940 - 3-b |
Thong 1964 |
Nantallah 1953 |
Nasrullah Shimmer |
1940 - 9-c 1945 - 6 |
Rough Shod 1944 |
Gold Bridge Dalmary |
1929 - 22-d 1931 - 5-h |
Kasora 1993 |
Darshaan 1981 |
Shirley Heights 1975 |
Mill Reef 1968 |
Never Bend 1960 |
Nasrullah Lalun |
1940 - 9-c 1952 - 19-b |
Milan Mill 1962 |
Princequillo Virginia Water |
1940 - 1-b 1953 - 22-d |
Hardiemma 1969 |
Hardicanute 1962 |
Hard Ridden Harvest Maid |
1955 - 16 1949 - 3-j |
Grand Cross 1952 |
Grandmaster Blue Cross |
1942 - 1-k 1946 - 1-l |
Delsy 1972 |
Abdos 1959 |
Arbar 1944 |
Djebel Astronomie |
1937 - 5-j 1932 - 9-e |
Pretty Lady 1942 |
Umidwar La Moqueuse |
1931 - 3-e 1925 - 1-e |
Kelty 1965 |
Venture VII 1957 |
Relic Rose O'Lynn |
1945 - 8-f 1944 - 7 |
Marilla 1957 |
Marsyas Albanilla |
1940 - 9-e 1951 - 13-c |
Kozana 1982 |
Kris 1976 |
Sharpen Up 1969 |
Atan 1961 |
Native Dancer Mixed Marriage |
1950 - 5-f 1952 - 2-f |
Rocchetta 1961 |
Rockefella Chambiges |
1941 - 7-a 1949 - 5-i |
Doubly Sure 1971 |
Reliance 1962 |
Tantieme Relance |
1947 - 20-a 1952 - 16-h |
Soft Angels 1963 |
Crepello Sweet Angel |
1954 - 16-d 1955 - 2-o |
Koblenza 1966 |
Hugh Lupus 1952 |
Djebel 1937 |
Tourbillon Loika |
1928 - 13-c 1926 - 5-j |
Sakountala 1942 |
Goya Samos |
1934 - 9-e 1932 - 19 |
Kalimara 1960 |
Norseman 1940 |
Umidwar Tara |
1931 - 3-e 1932 - 13-c |
Montana 1943 |
Mirko Indiara |
1939 - 22-d 1935 - 1-n |
Wana Doo 2000 |
Grand Slam 1995 |
Gone West 1984 |
Mr Prospector 1970 |
Raise A Native 1961 |
Native Dancer 1950 |
Polynesian Geisha |
1942 - 14-a 1943 - 5-f |
Raise You 1946 |
Case Ace Lady Glory |
1934 - 1-k 1934 - 8-f |
Gold Digger 1962 |
Nashua 1952 |
Nasrullah Segula |
1940 - 9-c 1942 - 3-m |
Sequence 1946 |
Count Fleet Miss Dogwood |
1940 - 6 1939 - 13-c |
Secrettame 1978 |
Secretariat 1970 |
Bold Ruler 1954 |
Nasrullah Miss Disco |
1940 - 9-c 1944 - 8-d |
Somethingroyal 1952 |
Princequillo Imperatrice |
1940 - 1-b 1938 - 2-s |
Tamerett 1962 |
Tim Tam 1955 |
Tom Fool Two Lea |
1949 - 3-j 1946 - 23-b |
Mixed Marriage 1952 |
Tudor Minstrel Persian Maid |
1944 - 9-c 1947 - 2-f |
Bright Candles 1987 |
El Gran Senor 1981 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic 1954 |
Nearco Lady Angela |
1935 - 4-r 1944 - 14-c |
Natalma 1957 |
Native Dancer Almahmoud |
1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d |
Sex Appeal 1970 |
Buckpasser 1963 |
Tom Fool Busanda |
1949 - 3-j 1947 - 1-x |
Best In Show 1965 |
Traffic Judge Stolen Hour |
1952 - 3-n 1953 - 8-f |
Christmas Bonus 1978 |
Key To The Mint 1969 |
Graustark 1963 |
Ribot Flower Bowl |
1952 - 4-l 1952 - 4-d |
Key Bridge 1959 |
Princequillo Blue Banner |
1940 - 1-b 1952 - 2-n |
Sugar Plum Time 1972 |
Bold Ruler 1954 |
Nasrullah Miss Disco |
1940 - 9-c 1944 - 8-d |
Plum Cake 1958 |
Ponder Real Delight |
1946 - 23 1949 - 9-c |
Wedding Gift 1993 |
Always Fair 1985 |
Danzig 1977 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic 1954 |
Nearco Lady Angela |
1935 - 4-r 1944 - 14-c |
Natalma 1957 |
Native Dancer Almahmoud |
1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d |
Pas De Nom 1968 |
Admiral's Voyage 1959 |
Crafty Admiral Olympia Lou |
1948 - 8-c 1952 - 4-n |
Petitioner 1952 |
Petition Steady Aim |
1944 - 16-h 1943 - 7-a |
Carduel 1978 |
Buckpasser 1963 |
Tom Fool 1949 |
Menow Gaga |
1935 - 8-g 1942 - 3-j |
Busanda 1947 |
War Admiral Businesslike |
1934 - 11-b 1939 - 1-x |
Minstrelete 1973 |
Round Table 1954 |
Princequillo Knight's Daughter |
1940 - 1-b 1941 - 2-f |
Gay Violin 1964 |
Sir Gaylord Blue Violin |
1959 - 2-s 1951 - 19-b |
Such Style 1977 |
Sassafras 1967 |
Sheshoon 1956 |
Precipitation 1933 |
Hurry On Double Life |
1913 - 2-d 1926 - 2-i |
Noorani 1950 |
Nearco Empire Glory |
1935 - 4-r 1933 - 14-a |
Ruta 1960 |
Ratification 1953 |
Court Martial Solesa |
1942 - 1-p 1940 - 1-u |
Dame D'Atour 1955 |
Cranach Barley Corn |
1938 - 12-e 1950 - 8-c |
Regal Lady 1970 |
Relko 1960 |
Tanerko 1953 |
Tantieme La Divine |
1947 - 20-a 1943 - 12 |
Relance 1952 |
Relic Polaire |
1945 - 8-f 1947 - 16-h |
Noble Lassie 1956 |
Nearco 1935 |
Pharos Nogara |
1920 - 13-e 1928 - 4-r |
Belle Sauvage 1949 |
Big Game Tropical Sun |
1939 - 6-e 1940 - 1-d |
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:59pm
onado 2010 |
High Chaparral 1999 |
Sadler's Wells 1981 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic 1954 |
Nearco 1935 |
Pharos Nogara |
1920 - 13-e 1928 - 4-r |
Lady Angela 1944 |
Hyperion Sister Sarah |
1930 - 6-e 1930 - 14-c |
Natalma 1957 |
Native Dancer 1950 |
Polynesian Geisha |
1942 - 14-a 1943 - 5-f |
Almahmoud 1947 |
Mahmoud Arbitrator |
1933 - 9-c 1937 - 2-d |
Fairy Bridge 1975 |
Bold Reason 1968 |
Hail To Reason 1958 |
Turn-To Nothirdchance |
1951 - 1-w 1948 - 4-n |
Lalun 1952 |
Djeddah Be Faithful |
1945 - 13-c 1942 - 19-b |
Special 1969 |
Forli 1963 |
Aristophanes Trevisa |
1948 - 9-c 1951 - 3-b |
Thong 1964 |
Nantallah Rough Shod |
1953 - 6 1944 - 5-h |
Kasora 1993 |
Darshaan 1981 |
Shirley Heights 1975 |
Mill Reef 1968 |
Never Bend Milan Mill |
1960 - 19-b 1962 - 22-d |
Hardiemma 1969 |
Hardicanute Grand Cross |
1962 - 3-j 1952 - 1-l |
Delsy 1972 |
Abdos 1959 |
Arbar Pretty Lady |
1944 - 9-e 1942 - 1-e |
Kelty 1965 |
Venture VII Marilla |
1957 - 7 1957 - 13-c |
Kozana 1982 |
Kris 1976 |
Sharpen Up 1969 |
Atan Rocchetta |
1961 - 2-f 1961 - 5-i |
Doubly Sure 1971 |
Reliance Soft Angels |
1962 - 16-h 1963 - 2-o |
Koblenza 1966 |
Hugh Lupus 1952 |
Djebel Sakountala |
1937 - 5-j 1942 - 19 |
Kalimara 1960 |
Norseman Montana |
1940 - 13-c 1943 - 1-n |
Wana Doo 2000 |
Grand Slam 1995 |
Gone West 1984 |
Mr Prospector 1970 |
Raise A Native 1961 |
Native Dancer Raise You |
1950 - 5-f 1946 - 8-f |
Gold Digger 1962 |
Nashua Sequence |
1952 - 3-m 1946 - 13-c |
Secrettame 1978 |
Secretariat 1970 |
Bold Ruler Somethingroyal |
1954 - 8-d 1952 - 2-s |
Tamerett 1962 |
Tim Tam Mixed Marriage |
1955 - 23-b 1952 - 2-f |
Bright Candles 1987 |
El Gran Senor 1981 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic Natalma |
1954 - 14-c 1957 - 2-d |
Sex Appeal 1970 |
Buckpasser Best In Show |
1963 - 1-x 1965 - 8-f |
Christmas Bonus 1978 |
Key To The Mint 1969 |
Graustark Key Bridge |
1963 - 4-d 1959 - 2-n |
Sugar Plum Time 1972 |
Bold Ruler Plum Cake |
1954 - 8-d 1958 - 9-c |
Wedding Gift 1993 |
Always Fair 1985 |
Danzig 1977 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic Natalma |
1954 - 14-c 1957 - 2-d |
Pas De Nom 1968 |
Admiral's Voyage Petitioner |
1959 - 4-n 1952 - 7-a |
Carduel 1978 |
Buckpasser 1963 |
Tom Fool Busanda |
1949 - 3-j 1947 - 1-x |
Minstrelete 1973 |
Round Table Gay Violin |
1954 - 2-f 1964 - 19-b |
Such Style 1977 |
Sassafras 1967 |
Sheshoon 1956 |
Precipitation Noorani |
1933 - 2-i 1950 - 14-a |
Ruta 1960 |
Ratification Dame D'Atour |
1953 - 1-u 1955 - 8-c |
Regal Lady 1970 |
Relko 1960 |
Tanerko Relance |
1953 - 12 1952 - 16-h |
Noble Lassie 1956 |
Nearco Belle Sauvage |
1935 - 4-r 1949 - 1-d |
The French House 2011 |
Dylan Thomas 2003 |
Danehill 1986 |
Danzig 1977 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic 1954 |
Nearco Lady Angela |
1935 - 4-r 1944 - 14-c |
Natalma 1957 |
Native Dancer Almahmoud |
1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d |
Pas De Nom 1968 |
Admiral's Voyage 1959 |
Crafty Admiral Olympia Lou |
1948 - 8-c 1952 - 4-n |
Petitioner 1952 |
Petition Steady Aim |
1944 - 16-h 1943 - 7-a |
Razyana 1981 |
His Majesty 1968 |
Ribot 1952 |
Tenerani Romanella |
1944 - 6-d 1943 - 4-l |
Flower Bowl 1952 |
Alibhai Flower Bed |
1938 - 6-d 1946 - 4-d |
Spring Adieu 1974 |
Buckpasser 1963 |
Tom Fool Busanda |
1949 - 3-j 1947 - 1-x |
Natalma 1957 |
Native Dancer Almahmoud |
1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d |
Lagrion 1989 |
Diesis 1980 |
Sharpen Up 1969 |
Atan 1961 |
Native Dancer Mixed Marriage |
1950 - 5-f 1952 - 2-f |
Rocchetta 1961 |
Rockefella Chambiges |
1941 - 7-a 1949 - 5-i |
Doubly Sure 1971 |
Reliance 1962 |
Tantieme Relance |
1947 - 20-a 1952 - 16-h |
Soft Angels 1963 |
Crepello Sweet Angel |
1954 - 16-d 1955 - 2-o |
Wrap It Up 1979 |
Mount Hagen 1971 |
Bold Bidder 1962 |
Bold Ruler High Bid |
1954 - 8-d 1956 - 3-n |
Moonmadness 1963 |
Tom Fool Sunset III |
1949 - 3-j 1950 - 1-p |
Doc Nan 1963 |
Francis S 1957 |
Royal Charger Blue Eyed Momo |
1942 - 9-c 1944 - 1-x |
Betty W 1957 |
Mossborough Doniazade |
1947 - 6-e 1949 - 9 |
Deraismes 2003 |
Grand Lodge 1991 |
Chief's Crown 1982 |
Danzig 1977 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic Natalma |
1954 - 14-c 1957 - 2-d |
Pas De Nom 1968 |
Admiral's Voyage Petitioner |
1959 - 4-n 1952 - 7-a |
Six Crowns 1976 |
Secretariat 1970 |
Bold Ruler Somethingroyal |
1954 - 8-d 1952 - 2-s |
Chris Evert 1971 |
Swoon's Son Miss Carmie |
1953 - 12 1966 - 23-b |
La Papagena 1983 |
Habitat 1966 |
Sir Gaylord 1959 |
Turn-To Somethingroyal |
1951 - 1-w 1952 - 2-s |
Little Hut 1952 |
Occupy Savage Beauty |
1941 - 23-b 1934 - 4-r |
Magic Flute 1968 |
Tudor Melody 1956 |
Tudor Minstrel Matelda |
1944 - 9-c 1947 - 1-n |
Filigrana 1953 |
Niccolo Dell'arca Gamble In Gold |
1938 - 4-r 1948 - 14-b |
Assertive Lady 1993 |
Assert 1979 |
Be My Guest 1974 |
Northern Dancer 1961 |
Nearctic Natalma |
1954 - 14-c 1957 - 2-d |
What A Treat 1962 |
Tudor Minstrel Rare Treat |
1944 - 9-c 1952 - 8-c |
Irish Bird 1970 |
Sea Bird 1962 |
Dan Cupid Sicalade |
1956 - 4-m 1956 - 2-n |
Irish Lass 1962 |
Sayajirao Scollata |
1944 - 3-n 1952 - 8-c |
Cairene 1982 |
Artaius 1974 |
Round Table 1954 |
Princequillo Knight's Daughter |
1940 - 1-b 1941 - 2-f |
Stylish Pattern 1961 |
My Babu Sunset Gun |
1945 - 1-w 1955 - 14-c |
Jem Jen 1977 |
Great Nephew 1963 |
Honeyway Sybil's Niece |
1941 - 9-h 1951 - 14-c |
Io 1957 |
Tenerani Fatimite |
1944 - 6-d 1941 - 14-c |
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 3:03pm
Yes I was going to suggest the Double Sure son cross but was off to the physio. As well as the 14c sireling of Nearctic and 14c female line. You see it more often as the sireline of the dam (in the 5th generation) and the damline of the sire.
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 11:03pm
Hello, the third dam Cairene shows linebreeding to "Pretty Polly", Sire Artaius and damsire Great Nephew to PP and the damline is from the same branch of Fam. 14-c. Her daughter is by Assert tracing to Nearctic, more PP. Deraismes is by Grand Lodge, tracing to a Adula, a FS of Pretty Polly. Toronado traces to "Belle Sauvage" Family of Vaguely Noble (Ace of Aces, Terreno, Gay Menece, Dahlia, etc.) and Lombard (Allegretta/Alya, Galileo, Sea the Stars, Adlerflug, etc.) regards, Ticino
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2017 at 5:47pm
Redoutes mare with Toranado at foot - what a ripper
https://inglis.com.au/sales/info/2017+December+Thoroughbred+Sale/catalogue/93" rel="nofollow - 93
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http://www.bloodstock.com.au/bloodstock/stallion/redoute-s-choice-4?utm_source=stallionslinks&utm_medium=ingliswebsite" rel="nofollow - Redoute's Choice
Kensington Gardens (NZ)
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2017 at 5:57pm
This foal, or an older sibling depending on when the shot was taken, is Lot 474 in the Melbourne Premier.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 11:16am
Gay3 wrote:
Redoutes mare with Toranado at foot - what a ripper
https://inglis.com.au/sales/info/2017+December+Thoroughbred+Sale/catalogue/93" rel="nofollow - 93
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https://inglis.com.au/sales/info/2017+December+Thoroughbred+Sale/catalogue/93" rel="nofollow - Lanesborough
http://www.bloodstock.com.au/bloodstock/stallion/redoute-s-choice-4?utm_source=stallionslinks&utm_medium=ingliswebsite" rel="nofollow - Redoute's Choice
Kensington Gardens (NZ)
http://www.threebridges.com.au" rel="nofollow - Three Bridges Thoroughbreds, Eddington
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 9:30pm
Gay 1) $16k does seem on the light side 2) Check the Grand Slam part of the pedigree above. Both Stud book & Stallions use the Gone West stallion
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Posted By: Bi Carb
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2017 at 3:45pm
She has bred more slow horses than anyone in the last 20 years. Everyone gets lucky every now and then.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2017 at 8:26am
Many thanks to Glencoe whose eagle eye picked up a software data error in that TP had the wrong Grand Slam. This has now been corrected in both above charts.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 11:13am
Sold 5 of 6 for $55k avg, including a $50k colt from the Arletty family.
Didn't see that coming.
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Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 11:25am
Selling a lot lower than I would have thought. We had planned to send our girl last year but changed to Star Witness... glad we did now
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 3:06pm
I'm sure BiCarb she would also have more success if she had access to better mares. We all know that things don't work 100% of the time but class helps with getting the better genes across. If you have a non winning family and a winning family (same family but different branches) even with the best of intentions you'll still have more chances with the better winning family.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 3:40pm
I was most interested but went off him also, basically because this is his dam's record at stud other than Toronado:
Cherrington - unraced 4yo Christmas Joy - unraced 6yo Effect - last at its only start Seventh Cloud - maiden from 10 starts Wedding Dance - last at its only start Wan - one win over Steeples in Italy.
That said, I do hope he makes it.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 3:43pm
2 weeks ago she broke thru' for 100 individual horses or winners (forget) & I remembered most of them, especially Wowee who I think was stakes winner or placed. She's very astute off a tiny budget & Bonfire Night by Golden Snake won last week as well.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 4:33pm
https://www.facebook.com/kristen.manning.376?hc_ref=ARR1M_VI2Y7PyW02DimCaHxv_O3TqIAF1yeSSNvgze9pPIpZMCD71eXIsPMYJ1mGDPY&fref=nf" rel="nofollow - Kristen Manning to https://www.facebook.com/groups/1121003457958633/?ref=nf_target&fref=nf" rel="nofollow - THE FRENCH HOUSE https://www.facebook.com/groups/1121003457958633/permalink/1686488174743489/" rel="nofollow - - 3 hrs ·
As
you all know I love sons of High Chaparral (aka Toronado) for Dylan
Thomas mares such as our lovely girl! Dundeel is another great match but
one we could not afford - it is however gratifying to see that
Dundeel's first winner Cutadeel is out of a Dylan Thomas mare!
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 9:30am
Second Chance look at Star Kingdom again please. From a great female line but his first four dams couldn't produce any stakes results. This one is also from a great female line - that of Vaguely Noble. Yes dam wasn't great but the bloodlines are there to help. He may or may not make it but it won't be because of his dam.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 9:32am
Or even go closer to home with Danehill's dam. Only one stakes winner from at least 13 named foals. All well breed most by Danzig. But Danehill got the right genes and the others well we all know they didn't.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 4:37pm
Looking a bit better at Premier (so far).
Cat - 30 Sold - 12 PI - 3 W - 1 Agg - $1,400,000 Avg - $116,667 Top - $340,000 Med - $87,500
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 4:54pm
They're certainly magnificent types
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Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 5:47pm
Like any Stallion might get the odd good one but in general doubt they will be able to run.
------------- Jim
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Posted By: troppo75
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 6:00pm
I think any stud would be happy with a few good ones.. comparing that to .. multiple lemons and no good ones
you can at least market the good...
its the bad, that you cant say much about and god knows there's lots of sires with just plain average stock not getting metro winners, yet highly priced
I like the look of Toronado myself & if I had the money (or mare) I would give him a go
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Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 9:11pm
You've gone Troppo !!!
------------- Jim
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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 8:48am
Some lovely yearlings at Premier . He leaves far better types than his dad High Chap.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 7:17pm
I just LOVE the Toronado ex She's Got Gears colt Hawkes got at Premier $340k...CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO..
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2018 at 8:18pm
I believe this is his first runner anywhere on the planet. She goes around in the first in Ireland tonight.
Toronado (IRE) Bay 2010 | High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Delsy | 1975 1972 | 1-l 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Koblenza | 1976 1966 | 2-o 1-n | Wana Doo Bay 2000 | Grand Slam Bay or brown 1995 | Gone West Bay 1984 | Mr Prospector Secrettame | 1970 1978 | 13-c 2-f | Bright Candles Chestnut 1987 | El Gran Senor Christmas Bonus | 1981 1978 | 8-f 9-c | Wedding Gift Bay or brown 1993 | Always Fair Bay 1985 | Danzig Carduel | 1977 1978 | 7-a 19-b | Such Style Bay 1977 | Sassafras Regal Lady | 1967 1970 | 8-c 1-d | Suite (IRE) Bay 2011 | Invincible Spirit Bay 1997 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Foreign Courier Bay 1979 | Sir Ivor Courtly Dee | 1965 1968 | 8-g A4 | Rafha Bay 1987 | Kris Chestnut 1976 | Sharpen Up Doubly Sure | 1969 1971 | 5-i 2-o | Eljazzi Bay 1981 | Artaius Border Bounty | 1974 1965 | 14-c 7-a | Rakiza Bay or brown 2004 | Elnadim Bay or brown 1994 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Elle Seule Chestnut 1983 | Exclusive Native Fall Aspen | 1965 1976 | 10-a 4-m | Filfilah Chestnut 1995 | Cadeaux Genereux Chestnut 1985 | Young Generation Smarten Up | 1976 1975 | 13-e 10-b | El Rabab Brown 1989 | Roberto Brave Raj | 1969 1984 | 12-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 5m,5m | | Kris | 5f x 4f | | Danzig | 5m x 4m,4m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2018 at 7:42pm
By Sean Cronin 5th-LLD, €18,000, Mdn, 4-29, unraced 2yo, 5 1/2fT, 1:13.63, gd. BAYLAGAN (FR) (c, 2, Toronado {Ire}–Al Waghaa {Fr}, by Muhtathir {GB}) was sharply into stride and raced prominently from flagfall in this newcomers’ test. Joining the front rank at the top of the straight, the 51-10 chance came under pressure to gain a narrow advantage approaching the final furlong and kept on gamely under whipless rousting to deny Alissachope (Fr) (Kheleyf) by a short head in a bobbing finish, becoming the first winner for his Haras de Bouquetot-based freshman sire (by High Chaparral {Ire}). Kin to a yearling colt by Planteur (Ire), he is the first foal produced by Al Waghaa (Fr) (Muhtathir {GB}), who is a full-sister to the dual stakes-placed Maroon Machine (Ire), and a half-sister to the dual stakes-placed Place Vendome (Fr) (Dr Fong), who in turn is the dam of G1 Poule d’Essai des Poulains-winning sire Style Vendome (Fr) (Anabaa) and stakes-winning G1 Poule d’Essai des Poulains and G1 Criterium International placegetter Prestige Vendome (Fr) (Orpen). Sales history: €45,000 Ylg ’17 AROCT. Lifetime Record: 1-1-0-0, €9,000. http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/3177/" rel="nofollow - . 1ST-TIME STARTER. O-Al Shaqab Racing; B-Faisal bin Khalid Al Thani (FR); T-Simone Brogi.
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2018 at 10:15pm
Not much action thus far for this bloke in Europe 3 rnrs 1 wnr on Continent 8 rnrs 1 wnr & 16th on first seasons sire list in Eng/Ire Is it yet too early to make an assessment
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:14am
Bought a little slice of one with Will Clarken, ex Al Nova (Al Samer, Carnegie).
I’ll just clear a bit of space in the trophy room.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 1:56am
Dream on .
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 6:17am
all the best Red Hare. we have a two year in the stable who goes nice. should win her first very quickly . 2nd on debut....
------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 10:48am
We now have an Excelebration, a Deep Field and a Toronado, all planned by breeding consultants. Fingers crossed at least one of them gets it right 😁 and maybe all
------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 5:02pm
Prince of Sussex is a real nice horse.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 12:22pm
Red Hare wrote:
Bought a little slice of one with Will Clarken, ex Al Nova (Al Samer, Carnegie).
I’ll just clear a bit of space in the trophy room. | First little pot hole on the road to glory... he's a rig. Fairly certain Will is still eager to cut, but they'll probably survive his first prep - or at least until the trainer has divested his own interest. For now, he's been sent to Krystal Bishop to learn a few manners.
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 9:05am
Starting to hit his straps, I hear there are a few to come yet as 3yos ,he will have a serious horse from his first crop IMHO.
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 11:58am
I would have to agree with you Goldey. He had so many nice 3YO miler types in the Yearling sales that some of them just have to be good. How many will be good? We'll have to wait and see
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 5:07pm
Noblet trained filly Backpedal just streeted them at B/rat, albeit on the syntho, breaking the 1100m record. Eased down too
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 7:48pm
I have her in my 2018 yearling comp 😊
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 7:59pm
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 8:47pm
We own a couple of whiskers of a Toronado filly, starting to get excited. 🙏
------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Posted By: gonski gonski
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 12:05am
Times are getting faster as the track settles.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 10:21am
Great find Goldey. Hope it eventually keeps up your good record with the Everest!
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 11:49am
Thousand Guineas would be just dandy, Gay, have put on a couple of dollars each way when she was named and found a certain owner involved who seems to have the Midas touch.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 11:51am
Nice yearling shot showing on Racenet also. The Toronado's I've followed haven't started yet so I'm hoping they have some ability. The Shooting to Win yesterday I've got marked. They are also coming out and showing good form. It's nice to see the young middle distance types getting going also.
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2019 at 12:35am
Is he losing interest in "the great pastime" this season? Anyone know
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 12:53pm
Red Hare wrote:
Prince of Sussex is a real nice horse. |
Now known as Lucky Express in HK. Has had four trials, so must be getting close to a race start.
Moreira rode all four, winning two and running on strong in the other two from wide draws.
I think Matt Laurie is pretty capable as a trainer. At least, from a punting perspective. No way known would I be able to say no to a $1.75m offer, but this fella looks pretty capable of pocketing that sort of money on the track - in either jurisdiction.
His older half sister Algadon Miss, by Equiano, is an above average mare with just short of $300k to her name. Plus, there is a yearling full sister to come.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 6:11pm
Glencoe wrote:
Is he losing interest in "the great pastime" this season? Anyone know |
Covered 197 mares.
I suppose it might get a bit vanilla once you clear 175.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 4:09pm
He's won the longevity battle against Olympic Glory & Dawn Approach, though it's certainly tougher to make it in the Hunter...mind you, the other two went backwards in service fee from the outset and Toronado has just had his biggest year off an increase.
Does anyone have an opinion (better yet, analysis) of the mares that he's serviced? How do they compare to his since-departed contemporaries?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 4:29pm
He received a far better book than Dawn Approach which was always a hard sell in Oz. Mind you DA had five stakes winners from two crops in 2019 the moment they rightly kept him home, and reckon he'll get a few more from his remaining crops if they don't push his stock too early.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 1:07pm
Cheers SC. Do you have the numbers (group winners, group producers, etc) at hand, or just a gut feel?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 2:49pm
Don't have a list RH, though believe his books can be downloaded from somewhere (the Stud Book?).
Was just going by what Adam said to me and others about his first book, which hopefully was more than marketing.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 3:41pm
Fair enough. Thanks mate.
They're in the Stud Book, but unless you know them by name it's a good 3-4 hours of clicking through links... i.e. where a hobby becomes a chore.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 4:07pm
https://stallions.com.au/listing/toronado/" rel="nofollow - https://stallions.com.au/listing/toronado/
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 4:38pm
Good info Gay, but more about him and the crops. I'm interested in the mares.
I'll put something together.
Unraced Metro winner Blacktype winner Group winner Group 1 winner
First season mare Progeny winning ratio when served (i.e. two winners from four of racing age) Blacktype producer Group producer Group 1 producer
??? Something to fill the gap where the mare has nothing but her family to bring to the table - i.e. The Broken Shore, Ten Carat Rock or Lago Ovation.
Could yet do a Chautauqua here...
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 8:25pm
For all stallions after 3 seasons of runners the stats that tell the story quite bluntly are; 1) runners to foals ratio 2)winners: runners 3) A.E.I.Index & APEX ratings 4) S.Wnrs to rnrs ratio Hence Stallions such as Fighting Sun, Fiorente, Sizzling, Eurozone & Akeed Mofeed all nned a very good 6 months ahead or no amount of advertising will have them in the upper echelon of their respective year
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 11:51am
Got the winner of the Tasmanian Oaks the other day, for Bill Ryan. Have a look at her race record.
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 10:22pm
Hello, I did a Hypomating between Toronado/Galileo, which seems at first sight a bit uncommon. On the other Hand, they sharing within 6 Generations Sadlers Wells/Mr. Prospector/Buckpasser. IOnte4rstingly Toronado traces in his damline to "Belle Sauvage" several generations back. Allegretta's Sire is Lombard his granddam "Belle Sauvage". Toronada-Noble Lassie- Belle Sauvage. It's the Family of "Vaguely Noble". Sire of Dahlia, Empery, Exceller, Gay Mecene (US), Lemhi Gold, Jet Ski Lady, Terreno (sent to NZ) just to ame a few. Hope I could made some indications. Best regards, Ticino
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Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 11:02pm
Belle Sauvage was also the dam of Pandour, who stood in Queensland with decent success back in the 60s & 70s. He sired the likes of Our Cavalier, Dual Control, Bon Teint & Panvale.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2020 at 12:22am
I thought Duel Control was very smart just for the record Grey Affair, done me a few favours .
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2020 at 10:52pm
Hello, Grey Affair/Carioca many thanks for the info about "Pandour". When I reread the Topic "Makeby Diva Mating plans" I spot I already mentioned the Connection with "Belle Sauvage". So I suggest above mentioned Broodmare to sent to Toronado, it would be linebreeding 6x7 to Noble Lassie, via a male and female strain. best regards, Ticino
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 8:49pm
Red Hare wrote:
Red Hare wrote:
Bought a little slice of one with Will Clarken, ex Al Nova (Al Samer, Carnegie).
I’ll just clear a bit of space in the trophy room. | First little pot hole on the road to glory... he's a rig. Fairly certain Will is still eager to cut, but they'll probably survive his first prep - or at least until the trainer has divested his own interest. For now, he's been sent to Krystal Bishop to learn a few manners. |
Now known as Nova Force, he's had a trial over in SA & is getting ever closer to a race debut.... or he will be if the ownership group knock back the offer to sell him to Honkers.
It's not 'life changing' money, but considering he is still very much an unknown quantity, it's a generous offer - about 2.5x what's been spent on him so far. Without emotion, it's a good deal.
I'm leaning towards not selling. Not because I'm emotionally invested (maybe a little, but not so much as to cloud my judgement), but because a single 1000m trial in his first full prep is not much to go on at all. On pedigree, he won't even get warm until he gets to 1600m... mind you, he was a bit gassed at the end of this trial and, visually at least, he wasn't the best horse in the race.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2020 at 10:38pm
Sold. Bit flat, but can’t deny it’s a good result.
Will deadset swan dive off the Westgate if he makes something of himself up there.
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Posted By: Ted
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 3:18pm
Toronado racking up winners all over the place with his first crop the last few weeks, nice double at Sandown today.
I’ve got a small share in an unnamed 2yo filly out of Current Affair, looking forward to this time next year!
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 4:55pm
Masked Crusader is being wasted in the winter.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 5:34pm
But gaining much needed experience, confidence & ratings points.
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 6:13pm
Agree, no need to sh*t the bed with a gelding, but they're only 3yo once.
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