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Topic: Hartnell
Posted By: Sunline
Subject: Hartnell
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2015 at 10:22pm
That run today was too good for him not to win a big race over the carnival.

He trialled enormously leading into it so the performance was no surprise in the end. But this horse is a two mile winner, so to be running like that over a mile at G1 level augurs very, very well.

Nominated for the Sydney Cup but you'd have to think they go Ranvet and BMW given he's shown he has the class to compete at that level.


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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2015 at 10:53pm
Run was terrific , well spotted Sunline

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Posted By: KangaMick
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 7:28am
$150kn in StarStable. Easy choice!

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Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 7:34am
Get on for this year's Melbourne Cup.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 11:33am
Very impressive, liked the way he got through the field from near last at the turn to just about pip the well backed stablemate for the prize, if the strait was a little longer I reckon he wins that, unfortunately the run will have been well noticed and I doubt we'll get much of a price for him in the Ranvet...


Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 11:34am
Had him star stable too.

Ran in St Leger last Sept

good horse


Posted By: daylami
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 11:43am
Dose anyone have any update on Havana Cooler? He is the only import from the stable that hasn't stepped out yet



Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 12:17pm
Australian Cup could be his next run


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 12:21pm
There are some bits and pieces of $11 and $10 on http://bit.ly/h4aSYj - Betfair for Australian Cup if anyone is interested.

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Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 12:26pm
Would take it if I knew he'd be going for sure, could start fav if confirmed.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 1:23pm
Worth the risk SYT.

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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 4:09pm
On his run yesterday 2000m at Flemington will suit him perfectly, reckon if he goes to either the Ranvet or the Aus Cup he just wins...


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Worth the risk SYT.

I'll have a fairly decent bet once I hear confirmation. Will keep an eye out on news.


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by SYT SYT wrote:

Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Worth the risk SYT.

I'll have a fairly decent bet once I hear confirmation. Will keep an eye out on news.


Please tell us when you fins out SYT.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:13am
Wonder what Mark Johnston thinks of this bloke having the speed to run second in a group 1 mile race ?

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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:19am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Wonder what Mark Johnston thinks of this bloke having the speed to run second in a group 1 mile race ?


Probably the same as all other English trainers. That all our horses over 1200m are distinctly inferior to theirs.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:23am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Wonder what Mark Johnston thinks of this bloke having the speed to run second in a group 1 mile race ?

Go fast Aussie drugs obviously. Looking at his record there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be competitive at 8f. Very versatile- what would you say is his best distance?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:24am
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Wonder what Mark Johnston thinks of this bloke having the speed to run second in a group 1 mile race ?


Probably the same as all other English trainers. That all our horses over 1200m are distinctly inferior to theirs.

Thats not exactly true though is it.

Starcraft, Elvstroem, Haradsun and So You Think did us proud in Europe over a mile and 2000m.




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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:27am
Super horses are the exception, Djebel, not the norm. Send 100 horses from the UK here and 80 will go to a better level here. Send 100 of our horses to the UK, 20 will improve to a higher level.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:28am
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Wonder what Mark Johnston thinks of this bloke having the speed to run second in a group 1 mile race ?

Go fast Aussie drugs obviously. Looking at his record there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be competitive at 8f. Very versatile- what would you say is his best distance?

If he is kept fresh he could be outstanding from 1600m to 2400m.

I can not see him running 3200m on a typical Aussie campaign.

As I say elsewhere, Once he gets into the fortnightly grind of racing every fortnight he will lose his enthusiasm and comeback to the field.

Hartnell was rated one pound inferior ( officially ) in the UK to what Michelangelo was.




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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:30am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Wonder what Mark Johnston thinks of this bloke having the speed to run second in a group 1 mile race ?

Go fast Aussie drugs obviously. Looking at his record there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be competitive at 8f. Very versatile- what would you say is his best distance?

If he is kept fresh he could be outstanding from 1600m to 2400m.

I can not see him running 3200m on a typical Aussie campaign.

As I say elsewhere, Once he gets into the fortnightly grind of racing every fortnight he will lose his enthusiasm and comeback to the field.

Hartnell was rated one pound inferior ( officially ) in the UK to what Michelangelo was.



When you say rating do you mean one single figure?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:35am
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

 

When you say rating do you mean one single figure?

I am talking about what they would have carried if they met in a handicap in the UK. Michelangelo would have given Hartnell 1/2 a kilo.

When they left England at their differing times, Michelangelo had an official handicap of 111, Hartnell had 110.










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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 10:36am
i mean in general- all these ratings for horses- are they one figure:

Horse X has a rating of 116

or are they, horse X's ratings are:

1000- 1200- 84
1400-1600- 91
1800- 2000- 100
2200- 2400- 105

And so on. That is, different ratings for different distances, since few horses are equally good at all distances.


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 5:07pm
Will run in Aus Cup as long as there is some give in track.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 6:08pm
Booyeah!

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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by SYT SYT wrote:

Will run in Aus Cup as long as there is some give in track.

where'd u get this?


Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 7:02pm
Yeah, one master rating.  The Official Handicapper only has discretion for one race in the calendar - the Grand National.


I read an interview with Mark Johnston a couple of years ago.  He said that when he started he wanted to be the Martin Pipe of the Flat, and have the fittest horses around.  And because he was gonna work his horses harder than anyone else, he was gonna feed them more than anyone else as well.  He was ruefully reflecting on it not being as easy and simple as he had originally imagined.

Try to find pictures of Johnston's gallops - it's the typical interval training hill that many of the British trainers have nowadays.

So, nearly all of his horses are trained to be stayers.

A lot of them are frontrunners, so he attracts some of the same criticism as Gai Waterhouse, because when they're not 100% they'll often be beaten a long way, because of being frontrunners and running out of steam.  


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Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Originally posted by SYT SYT wrote:

Will run in Aus Cup as long as there is some give in track.

where'd u get this?

Andrew Bensley reported it


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 9:51pm
Let's hope he goes to the Sydney Cup next.



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Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2015 at 8:25am
Love both him and contributer!


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2015 at 10:48am
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Let's hope he goes to the Sydney Cup next.


He is an absolute weight and rating certainty in the Sydney Cup- so of course he'll lose.LOL


Posted By: VPI
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 2:05am
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Let's hope he goes to the Sydney Cup next.

You're sitting pretty. Can't read O'Shea so I haven't jumped in.

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Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 12:53pm
he'll def go Syd Cup
 
Contrib to QE.
 
take the double,
 
to the whingers who don't liekt he price of the darley double add in Savaria for the Oaks  :)  


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 1:09pm
Loving the OShea double this week!!


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:03am
He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 9:40am
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.

If Hartnell loses you'd be entitled to give up the punt.Wink


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 9:57am
All over him again this week!


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:16am
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.


Surely Protectionist is a bigger danger?


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:17am
Glad I took him when he was $6 early. Seems massive overs now. The bookies were slow to cotton on to how good he is.


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:19am
Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Glad I took him when he was $6 early. Seems massive overs now. The bookies were slow to cotton on to how good he is.
When was he $6 for the Sydney Cup?


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:21am
I reckon the triffy is a moral.

Barman, Protection and Hartnell.


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:36am
Originally posted by SYT SYT wrote:


Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Glad I took him when he was $6 early. Seems massive overs now. The bookies were slow to cotton on to how good he is.

When was he $6 for the Sydney Cup?


Before the Chippy Norton. I guess most Bookies thought it might go to the QE11.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:23am
he is a lovely type. i bumped into john oshea the day after the chipping norton and commented how striking of a looker hartnell is. i put it on him "is hartnell a better type than contributer?"

he wouldnt go that far, only saying contributer is a real athlete who will be best around 2000 whilst hartnell will be better over the longer trips.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:25am
Everybody seems convinced he will run the trip.

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Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:32am
1 from 1 at the distance.


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:43am
And no obvious pace in the race.


Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:44am
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

he is a lovely type. i bumped into john oshea the day after the chipping norton and commented how striking of a looker hartnell is. i put it on him "is hartnell a better type than contributer?"

he wouldnt go that far, only saying contributer is a real athlete who will be best around 2000 whilst hartnell will be better over the longer trips.
Thanks for sharing.


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:46am
All Hatnell jockey needs to do is make sure he is 2 lengths infront of WSTBM on the turn and it wins.

Shouldn't be hard as WSTBM will go back from the wide draw.

Protectionist is the wild card and could do anything from win by 11 lengths to flop and run last.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:50am
Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

1 from 1 at the distance.

In the 3yo race at Royal Ascot. Hardly a high quality affair.

I will go and have a look at it to see how that particular renewal has stood up.




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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:52am
I see he had 7 starts as a 2yo under Mark Johnston. Does not seemed to have done him any harm.

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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:56am
Theres no pace in this, won't be a genuine 3200, he also has a light weight.


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 11:58am
all it has to do is lope along and then sprint for the last 400.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 12:06pm
Yep fair points, He basically outclasses them.




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Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 12:08pm
but you are right. The only nagging query is if he runs out the distance.

What do people think of the Hong Kong horse Dominant?

Looked to run on well last start.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 12:11pm
He is a seriously classy horse but I doubt he will run the trip. If he got out to 16/1+ I'd have something on him just because of his class.




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Posted By: daylami
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:00pm
Harnell won the Queen's Vase as a 3 year old on an undulating track with a stiff uphill finish. I doubt he will have a problem running the distance on a flat Randwick track. Two of the last three Ascot gold cup winners have come from the Queen's Vase (Leading light, Estimate). Mark Johnston's horse are extremely tough;so I don't see him being outstayed. He ticks all the boxes, the only way Hartnell gets beat on Saturday is if he takes a backward step


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:07pm
Yes it looks the best bet of all time. That is why the money came so strongly at $2.70 and $2.50 and even $2.30.

I expect it to almost start in the red come race time.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:11pm
Of course he could have a cough or a cold or some kind of splutter or a bleed which will ruin his chances but I'm reasonably sure he won't have the excuse I often see used of being in season.


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:20pm
Thanks Daylami. Found this video of the Ascot raceday which includes the Hartnell 2M win at 38m mark and the incredible win of  Eagle Top over Adelaide (18:40m mark)

Did get a bit tired late but with 52kgs the risk might be he forgets there's a jockey on and goes to sleep. Convinced me he's as near a certainty in a G1 as you can get.
  http://www.racinguk.com/news/article/royal-ascot-day-four-live-blog-from-royal-ascot" rel="nofollow - http://www.racinguk.com/news/article/royal-ascot-day-four-live-blog-from-royal-ascot


Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:32pm
Hartnell is beautifully bred and you would be confident he will stay the trip BUT there seems to be absolutely 0 love for Protectionist. He made a mockery of the field on MC day and tbh this wouldn't be a better field imo.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by breeding_above_all breeding_above_all wrote:

Hartnell is beautifully bred and you would be confident he will stay the trip BUT there seems to be absolutely 0 love for Protectionist. He made a mockery of the field on MC day and tbh this wouldn't be a better field imo.

Hartnell is much better placed- form-weight-distance credentials- than anything Protectionist faced in MC.


Posted By: Newtown Old Boy
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Thanks Daylami. Found this video of the Ascot raceday which includes the Hartnell 2M win at 38m mark and the incredible win of  Eagle Top over Adelaide (18:40m mark)

Did get a bit tired late but with 52kgs the risk might be he forgets there's a jockey on and goes to sleep. Convinced me he's as near a certainty in a G1 as you can get.
  http://www.racinguk.com/news/article/royal-ascot-day-four-live-blog-from-royal-ascot" rel="nofollow - http://www.racinguk.com/news/article/royal-ascot-day-four-live-blog-from-royal-ascot
Contributer is also in that package about 8m mark.


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:50pm
Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.

Don't forget we also dig up rocks and gelati.Tongue


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.

I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.

I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.

Yeah, that horse breeding is getting in the way of digging up rocks- it will have to go. Priorities, man!


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:04pm
Thanks NOB. Super run by Contributer


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:


Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.


I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.


You know how it works.

Export to 1,400.

Import 1,400 and upwards.


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:


Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Yes, all we do in Australia now is import horses.


I'm sure we would actually export more then we import, but anyway.

Go and have a look at the Inglis sale buyer list and tell me we import more then we export, a lot of our top horses are sent overseas as yearlings.


You know how it works.

Export to 1,400.

Import 1,400 and upwards.

They buy more then just sprinters as yearlings from here.

Look at So You Think's offspring, they're not going to be sprinters the vast majority, but roughly half so far at Easter are going overseas, to places like Hong Kong/SA.


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:17pm
Gr8. So You Think was a bit of an anomaly. Given it was the best Australasian horse since perhaps Kingston Town and if it stayed in oz may have beaten Pinker Pinker, Ocean Park and Shamus Award to sneer 5 Cox plates in a row.

When we have horses from Australia consistently contesting and winning our major 2,000 metre races again; come and talk to me.


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by James Bond Esq James Bond Esq wrote:

Gr8. So You Think was a bit of an anomaly. Given it was the best Australasian horse since perhaps Kingston Town and if it stayed in oz may have beaten Pinker Pinker, Ocean Park and Shamus Award to sneer 5 Cox plates in a row.

When we have horses from Australia consistently contesting and winning our major 2,000 metre races again; come and talk to me.

So You Think was just the quick example, they also have bought about half the High Chaps as well as half the Street Cry's.




Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:32pm
Which are really sons and daughters of imports.


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:34pm
Yes, which is completely irrelevant. They're our breeding stock now, with our mares. We bred them and are now exporting them.


Posted By: James Bond Esq
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 2:38pm
Yes you are right. Apologies.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

He's a moral on Saturday.

Only has one danger and that's Who Shot Thebarman, and he meets him 1kg better at the weights for a beating.

Probably hasn't been a bigger moral in this race since Tie The Knot.


Surely Protectionist is a bigger danger?


If you asked me a couple of months ago if have absutely agreed. But I believe on what we've seen this prep WSTB is going better than last prep while Protectionost is going worse.

Between them, there is a 2kg pull to WSTB from the Melb Cup. Not enough on what Protectionist did to WSTB in the Cup. But then consider WSTB beat Protectionist and produced a better run in the BMW when they carried the same weight, and they now go to 3200m (arguably each appreciates it as much as the other) and WSTB gets 3.5kg off Protectionist.

If Protectionist beats Hartnell I'll be shocked. If he beats WSTB I'll be surprised but it's certainly possible as he's open to sharp improvement up to 3200m. But it's undeniable that WSTB is better suited at handicap at the weights given their respective performances at WFA in the BMW.

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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2015 at 2:54pm
Gee he's looking good in trials.

SOB cost me a fortune in the Sydney Cup.


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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 8:05pm
Won't be having another run until the Turnbull, then the Cox Plate. Hmm. If he was fat first up over 1600m not sure if he's going to be fit enough for the Turnbull 2nd up.


Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2015 at 11:45pm
^ Perfect.



Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2015 at 12:09am
They'll fit a trial in.

It won't take much for this horse to go from everyone's tip to win everything, to finishing the prep winless.


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2015 at 10:25am
I've heard people who should know better gushing like tweenagers about the barrier trials of two horses in the last month- Hartnell and Redzel.


Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2015 at 10:48am
Barrier trials are very deceptive and often don't transfer to race day performance.  I think they are a useful guide for horses coming through maidens and restricted ranks.  Once you get to the top level they mean very little when assessing form.


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2015 at 1:16pm
Judging Hartnell on that Randwick track will be a big mistake.


Posted By: vaopoaljsie
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2016 at 5:55pm
Off that I say he would of beaten winx


Posted By: vaopoaljsie
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2016 at 5:56pm
Off to the Metrop


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2016 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by vaopoaljsie vaopoaljsie wrote:

Off that I say he would of beaten winx

What did you have Winx doing to those hacks, led by Sea The Stars? A hard fought 2 length win?


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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 11:43am
Is John O'Shea going to follow the "Saintly" preparation of Hill Stakes, followed by Metropolitan Hcp, then the Cox Plate. that would seem like a sensible program for him.


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 11:47am
O'Shea didn't sound awfully keen on sending him to Melbourne at all when interviewed yesterday. Hopefully he changes his mind, and if the horse keeps performing I'd say he'd be too tempted not to.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2016 at 12:01pm
Hartnell will always have a place in my history of racing- the greatest weighted certainty in a handicap I have ever seen.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:12pm
Is he coming to Melbourne or sticking to Sydney


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:35pm
With Tryster no longer coming for the Cox Plate, I would be inclined to think they target the Cox Plate now. You might find it's ultimate aim is the Melbourne Cup though. I think they believe he is finally relaxing and will run a strong 2 mile as a result.

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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:02am
Didn't look it with how well Hartnell ran in the last 400 but Winx ran a much faster last 600 than Hartnell did by the looks.


Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:14am
Winx 3 v Hartnell 0!


Posted By: Straight Connector
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:16am
So is Hartnell a lock for the Caulfield Cup & if so, what beats him? Preferment has to give him 1.5kg. You'd think most of the internationals that will be entered here will be using this as a prep run for the MC, and that may be enough, but he is certainly the best 'local' hope, at least.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:24am
Articus is being aimed at the CC rather than it being a run prior to the MC. Scottish is also targeting the race and is down in the weights at 54.5kg.

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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 5:16pm
I also think some overseas trainers target this race and then just hope for the best at Flemington. Trip To Paris had 2400m form before last year and looked sensational at Caulfield.

If Hartnell wins the Caulfield Cup I will give punting away.


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Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 10:27am
Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

I also think some overseas trainers target this race and then just hope for the best at Flemington. Trip To Paris had 2400m form before last year and looked sensational at Caulfield.

If Hartnell wins the Caulfield Cup I will give punting away.


Wow! I know O'shea has a terrible record in melb G1s but don't think the horse could be doing much more atm.


Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 4:16pm
Belting Wallers stayers quite comfortably
 
He'll win a G1 this prep.
 
Its in Johnny Oshays hands to do well or stuff up


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 1:24pm
Out of Metrop, heading to Melb for Turnbull.

http://www.racenet.com.au/news/126830/No-2016-The-Metropolitan-for-Hartnell" rel="nofollow - https://www.racenet.com.au/news/126830/No-2016-The-Metropolitan-for-Hartnell


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 3:10pm
Good call, horse should be in Melbourne. I know he's talking about the weight, but I wouldn't be surprised if the call came from up high. Think the bosses would be far more interested in the big Spring features than the Metrop. I can undestand O'Shea wanting to be cautious (firm tracks, away from home etc) but when you've got a squillion horses around the globe as Godolphin have, why wouldn't you have a crack?


Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2016 at 4:59pm
Will the real Hartnell please stand up?

That was what we wanted to see.

Now for him to do it in his grand final




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