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Topic: Hong Kong RacingPosted By: philippe3000
Subject: Hong Kong Racing
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 1:09pm
So I'm thinking I might try my luck on Hong Kong races.
Now I know the HKJC website is pretty comprehensive, but are there any other websites/form guides/data providers/forums/press etc worth having a look at?
Any tips for a novice HK punter?
thanks!
Replies: Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 1:19pm
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2017 at 12:36pm
Photo special: now this is how to engage with the racing public
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December 20, 2017
Star attraction: Hong Kong champion Joao Moreira (blue cap) has them lining up round the block. Photo: Kristen Manning
A
long line of excited fans waits. Some clutch pens and paper for
autographs, but most have their phones ready for a selfie with their
idol.
As they get closer to the front of the line, they smile
and giggle, they can’t believe they are this close to a superstar. When
they meet him, they expect to be overawed, but such is his friendly
demeanour that they relax in his presence.
This star is no prima
donna. He realises the importance of his fans and appreciates them. He
does not take himself too seriously, posing for photos with a clown then
pinching his hat and playing up to the crowd.
George Clooney? No.
Ed Sheeran? No.
It is Joao Moreira, the Hong Kong public’s favourite jockey.
Getting into the spirit of it all: Moreira with the clown, and some of his props. Photo: Kristen Manning
Simon
Leung and Angelin Chang conduct trackside interviews with, among
others, a smiling Zac Purton (centre). Photo: Kristen Manning
One of
four jockeys (Australians Hugh Bowman, Zac Purton and Sam Clipperton are
the others) to take part in interviews at the popular Trackside
Breakfast With The Stars event at the annual Hong Kong International
Races, Moreira had onlookers hanging on his every word.
Conducted
in a light, entertaining manner by Angelin Chang and Simon Leung, the
interviews were focused on the upcoming rides of each jockey while local
trainer Frankie Lui also gave interesting insights.
The
jockeys enjoy it too. “It’s great,” Purton said. “There is always a
good vibe and it is extremely well done. Everyone seems to come together
to tie all their media commitments in nicely while enjoying the
build-up to the big day.”
Between interviews, the international
contenders strutted their stuff on the track in full view of a long row
of tables that stretched down the Sha Tin straight. A generous buffet
was provided, but food was not the main focus of attention, with fans
writing notes in their form guides and keeping a close eye on each
horse’s work.
As
the name implies, the Trackside Breakfast with the Stars featured a
generous buffet alongside the racetrack for the fans. Photo: Kristen
Manning
Above and below, Moreira posed for photographs with young and old alike. Photos: Kristen Manning
And,
for those with young families, it was a rare chance to take their
children to the track (those under 18 are generally unable to attend the
races). They certainly made the most of the entertainment provided.
The second longest queue after that forming to meet Moreira was for the clown, while arts and crafts tables were also popular.
Such
things have been seen on offer at Australian racecourses, but what
stands out in Hong Kong is the focus on horses ... kids were making
racing mementos, horse shoe ornaments and little stables.
Being photographed with two Shetland ponies proved particularly popular. Photo: Kristen Manning
Such
was the popularity of having a photo taken with a couple of shetland
ponies that children had to be allotted a particular time to take their
turn. And adults wanted a go too! Of course there was also the pretend
horse next to a row of mini-silks for kids to spend some quality ‘make
believe I’m a jockey’ time.
While some famous people from outside
the sport are utilized to promote certain aspects of racing (such as the
current Longines Ambassador Of Elegance, actor Eddie Peng, and
predecessor Kate Winslet), the main focus is on horses and horse people.
Horse-themed
activities, popular jockeys and trainers. And each attendee was sent
home with a gift - a horse racing cushion/blanket for adults, a horse
pencil case for the kids. This type of promotion works - the breakfast
selling out quickly each year.
Merchandising is also intensely
horse-focused. The on- and off-course shops are congested in December. A
wide variety of products are on offer, ranging from Moreira and Purton
T-shirts and drinking glasses to luggage tags, key rings and plush toys
dedicated to current and past Hong Kong champions (Mr Stunning, who won
the Hong Kong Sprint, was very popular this year), as well as jewellery,
bags/purses/wallets and racetrack stationary sets.
Meanwhile the
week’s two race days, the Longines International Jockeys Championship
night at Happy Valley on Wednesday, December 6, and the Longines Hong
Kong International Races day at Sha Tin the following Sunday, just keep
getting bigger and bigger.
Turnover on the Sunday was up 5.4
percent on last year, at HK$1.6 billion, a record for the meeting.
Attendance was down just slightly on last year, but that was a record
anyway, and 94,560 people - nearly all of them there for the horses and
the betting - make for an exciting atmosphere.
Among
the horses the fans got to see working during the Breakfast with the
Stars event was subsequent Hong Kong Vase winner Highland Reel. Photo:
Kristen Manning
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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2018 at 8:34pm
What's with the horse tails in HK. Look like kindergarten kids have been let loose with scissors ✂️ ?
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2020 at 1:36am
Big meeting to day....
Golden Sixty (1/10on) as expected won the G2 Jockey Club Mile by 1 1/2 lengths.
In the G2 Jockey Club Sprint Hot King Prawn (3/1) finished the better of favourite Computer Patch by 3/4 length.
While in the G2 Jockey Club Cup over 2000m Moriera's soft touch was just too good on Furore (7/5) as he over took Purton on Exultant (9/10on fav) in the straight.
David Hayes picked up his fifth winner in the second race with Harmony N Blessed (6/4) leading all the way.
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2021 at 10:22am
Race 10 Hong Kong today , Enrich Delight and Russian Emperor going around , worth a watch .
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2021 at 10:32am
And the bottom weight in the same race.
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2021 at 12:57pm
Is that the way horse ?
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2021 at 12:58pm
WA
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2021 at 12:36am
Purton Wins Third International Jockeys Championship
Zac Purton has joined Douglas Whyte and Frankie Dettori as a triple
winner of the Longines International Jockeys' Championship, claiming the
title without a victory in the four-race series at Happy Valley Dec.
8 to add further luster to a phenomenal rsum.
Four days after overtaking Whyte as the winner of the most prize
money as a jockey in Hong Kong racing history, Purton amassed 22 points
with three seconds and a third under the 12 points for a win, six for
second, and four for third format.
The Australian's consistency propelled him to a third title in five
seasons in the HK$800,000 series, having previously triumphed in 2017
and 2020.
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2021 at 1:52am
Big Day in HK coming up this weekend.
HK Sprint:
Last year's Japanese winner Danon Smash returns to defend his crown but you've got to like the NZ bred Lucky Patch (El Roca -Gould) who has won his last two. Another NZ bred improver is Courier Warrior (Sacred Falls - Fabulist) but he may be a just short on class. Other Japanese runners like last start winner Pixie Knight (Maurice - Pixie Hollow) and Resistencia (Daiwa Major - Malacostumbrada) who won @ Chukyo in 1:07.20 might be just too tuff. Local OZ bred Hot King Prawn is getting on in age (7) but has won earlier this year. Had a bit of a break. David Hayes trained Naboo Attack (renamed Command'N'Conquer won 5 races in Qld) was second last start.
HK Mile:
HK immortal darling Golden Sixty will be the attraction on this card. Winner of 18 of 19 going for 16 straight. Lets not forget he was bred in OZ! Danon Kingly did defeat Gran Alegria over 1600m this year so he has a chance. Waikuku was second in a G2 last start. HK Derby winner Sky Darci has run 3rd last 3 starts. Aiden O'Brien brings 3YO filly Mother Earth here but she failed in the recent Breeders' Cup as favorite.
HK Cup:
Japanese runners are finally showing that they are tops. Breeders Cup winner Loves Only You is going to be very hard to beat if she runs to her last start performance especially since she has won here as well. Chilean Panfield won a G2 here this season and G1 last year over 2400m. Tourbillon Diamond (formerly OZ bred Eric The Eel) has also won a G3 this year. Dubai Honour 2nd last start in the G1 British Champion Stakes and won two G2s in France will be tested here. US G1 winner Bolshoi Ballet has been trying hard all year. O'Brien would love to snag a victory here with him.
HK Vase:
Aiden O'Brien trainer Mogul returns to defend his crown. G1 Coronation Cup winner Pyledriver is no slouch. Japanese entrant Glory Vase won this race in 2019 was second to Loves Only You earlier this year. Reliable Team is one of the better locals. Brazilian-bred Butterfield won a G3 earlier this year here. French filly Ebaiyra (Distorted Humor - Ebiyza) has challenged some nice winners this year.
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2021 at 10:52am
Leaving out the WBS, shame on you
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Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 5:46pm
There has been a very nasty fall in the Sprint, one of the worst I have seen.
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 5:47pm
Yep carnage one jockey hasn't moved
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 5:49pm
That was ugly. Lyle Hewitson the jockey
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 5:57pm
Grey Affair wrote:
There has been a very nasty fall in the Sprint, one of the worst I have seen.
Me too as you knew the eventual scenario before it happened; almost in slow motion & impossible to erase from your thoughts
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 6:10pm
TJMitchell wrote:
That was ugly. Lyle Hewitson the jockey
Lyle was conscious and communicating.
Purton out for rest of day.
Other 2 jockeys I think ok.
Amazing Star looked gone, Naboo Attack looked like he broke something. Other 2 horses seemed ok.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 6:12pm
Yuichi Fukunaga also miss rest of day. So him, Zac and Lyle out rest of day.
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 6:20pm
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 6:59pm
Amazing Star and Naboo Attack both confirmed euthanized
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 7:33pm
Naboo attack , I think might be a Qld horse Command and Conquer or close to that name .
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 7:38pm
That is correct
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 7:52pm
Golden Sixty & Loves Only You a class above the rest.
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 7:57pm
one of the worst I've seen since that horror day at Murray Bridge.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 8:03pm
Lyle with a fractured hip but otherwise ok. Good news
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 8:10pm
Loves Only You one of only 2 mares in the race, goes to stud a last start G1 winner & what about her jock? Didn't he come down in the pile up? 2 tough cookies
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 8:29pm
Loves Only You was ridden by Yuga Kawada who also rode her at Del Mar in the Breeders' Cup.
She was all heart to hold of the other Japanese horse Hishi Iguazu.
Naboo Attack (renamed Command'N'Conquer won 5 races in Qld) from the preview.
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 8:39pm
Kawada also rode Danon Smash a victim of the pile up.
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2021 at 8:44pm
OK. Official result chart of the Sprint had Kawada finishing the race and not falling off Danon Smash.
Race:5 (247)THE LONGINES HONG KONG SPRINT (Sec1)Group One1200 m
HOT KING PRAWN shifted out at the start and bumped COMPUTER PATCH. COURIER WONDER shifted out at the start and hampered NABOO ATTACK. PIXIE KNIGHT began only fairly and then was steadied in the early stages to obtain cover. STRONGER began awkwardly. From a wide barrier, WELLINGTON was also steadied and shifted across behind runners in the early stages. In the early stages, AMAZING STAR travelled wide and without cover. Passing the 1000 Metres, RESISTENCIA raced tight between STRONGER and LUCKY PATCH. In this incident, RESISTENCIA bumped the hindquarters of STRONGER. After the 900 Metres, DANON SMASH was left racing wide and without cover. After being crossed by AMAZING STAR (L Hewitson) near the 800 Metres, LUCKY PATCH commenced to travel keenly and was awkwardly placed behind that horse for some distance approaching and passing the 700 Metres. Whilst the Stewards accepted that LUCKY PATCH was traveling keenly at this time when being crossed by AMAZING STAR, nonetheless L Hewitson will be advised to ensure that he provides proper clearance when shifting ground in similar circumstances. Approaching the 600 Metres, LUCKY PATCH shifted out away from the heels of AMAZING STAR and bumped DANON SMASH. Near the 550 Metres, AMAZING STAR went amiss and fell, resulting in L Hewitson being dislodged. LUCKY PATCH, which was following, was unable to avoid AMAZING STAR and also fell, resulting in Z Purton being dislodged. NABOO ATTACK was unable to avoid LUCKY PATCH and also fell, causing K Teetan to be dislodged. PIXIE KNIGHT, which was following NABOO ATTACK, was unable to avoid the fallen AMAZING STAR, resulting in Y Fukunaga being dislodged. DANON SMASH was severely checked in this incident and was eased down. STRONGER, which was racing to the inside of LUCKY PATCH. was severely checked. When STRONGER was severely checked, RESISTENCIA was badly hampered, shifted in and inconvenienced SKY FIELD as that horse was shifting to the outside of HOT KING PRAWN. WELLINGTON was also badly hampered in consequence. A veterinary inspection of AMAZING STAR immediately following the race found that horse to have sustained injuries to both front legs. A veterinary inspection of NABOO ATTACK immediately following the race found that horse to have sustained an injury to the right front leg. A veterinary inspection of PIXIE KNIGHT immediately following the race found that horse to be lame in its left front leg and an endoscopic examination also showed a substantial amount of blood in the horse's trachea. A veterinary inspection of DANON SMASH and LUCKY PATCH immediately following the race did not show any significant findings. K Teetan was subsequently examined by the Chief Medical Officer and passed fit to fulfil his remaining race riding engagements. Before finalising this matter, the Stewards will interview L Hewitson and Z Purton who were unable to be interviewed at the track due to being transported to hospital. At the entrance to the Straight, RESISTENCIA was bumped by SKY FIELD which improved into tight running between that horse and HOT KING PRAWN which shifted out. Approaching the 300 Metres, COMPUTER PATCH raced tight inside COURIER WONDER which got its head on the side and lay in. Approaching the 200 Metres, SKY FIELD was shifted out away from the heels of COURIER WONDER (J Moreira) which shifted out abruptly. As the Stewards were satisfied that J Moreira had reacted in a timely manner in correcting COURIER WONDER, no further action was taken. B Shinn (SKY FIELD) pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding [Rule 100(1)] in that over the concluding stages he permitted his mount to shift in under pressure, resulting in COURIER WONDER being unnecessarily hampered when crowded for room inside SKY FIELD and having to be steadied away from the heels of that horse passing the winning post. In the circumstances, B Shinn was suspended from riding in races for a period to commence on Sunday, 9 January 2022 and to expire on Monday, 17 January 2022 on which day he may resume race riding (3 Hong Kong racedays). LUCKY PATCH, SKY FIELD and RESISTENCIA were sent for sampling. Samples were also taken from AMAZING STAR and NABOO ATTACK.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2021 at 7:35pm
Purdy (ribs, nose) and Lyle (hip, small brain bleed) out of ICU. Fukunaga (collarbone) waiting on a flight home.
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2021 at 11:27am
Thanks for the update TJ.
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2022 at 5:15pm
Hong Kong Derby winner Sky Darci had to be humanely euthanised after shattering his left-hind joint at the 800m mark of the Hong Kong Gold Cup.
Saw him break down but didn't realise he had to be put down.
Man, HK has lost a few in a very short space of time.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2022 at 7:17pm
Thanks gay
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2022 at 8:46pm
The Jockeys' Championship is closer than ever!
Zac Purton - 98
Joao Moreira - 98
I would call that...neck and neck
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 9:19pm
Owners of Golden Sixty have accepted an offer from the JRA to run in the Yasuda Kinen in Japan
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 9:22pm
Greats stuff.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2022 at 1:28pm
South Australian Derby winner Jungle Magnate has landed in Hong Kong to begin his new career with Tony Cruz.
Jungle
Magnate was purchased by Patrick Kwo, who owned Beauty Generation, with
bloodstock agent George Moore brokering the deal and telling Racing.com in June he would be set for next year’s Hong Kong Derby.
Jungle
Magnate, a $75,000 son of Tarzino, won four of his nine starts in
Australia in the care of Mick Price and Michael Kent Jnr.
The
flight consisted of 19 horses from Australia which also included two
new acquisitions for David Hayes in Queensland Derby starter Satirical
Glory and an unraced son of Astern named Thunderchief, who had trialed
under the Lindsay Park banner back home.
Former
Lloyd Williams-owned import Grid, who was subsequently sold to clients
of Smiley Chan this year, has also landed in Hong Kong to be trained by
Benno Yung.
A five-length debut win at
odds of $1.22 was enough to get the deal done for connections of the
Ciaron Maher and David Eustace-trained Legend Of The Fall who won at
Bairnsdale in May and joins the Pierre Ng stable.
Western
Australian stakes winner Left the Building also arrived with one-time
VRC hopeful Samarkand and Kilmore maiden winner Tipungwuti.
Renowned
traders Price Bloodstock also exported three unraced geldings who had
been in the care of Alan and Jason Williams and Patrick Payne.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2022 at 1:32pm
Grid is a strange one
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2022 at 3:10pm
A Group 2 placegetter and another "genuine Group horse" were two of
the latest Aussie gallopers to head to Hong Kong to continue their
racing careers.
The Ciaron Maher and David Eustace-trained Can’t
Go Wong finished second in the Group 2 Alister Clark Stakes back in
March before a down the track performance in the Group 1 Australian
Derby.
The four-year-old son of Per Incanto has joined the Frankie Lor stable.
Another
high-profile galloper on the latest shipment is Peter and Paul
Snowden’s former handy sprinter Calgary Stampede, who joins Benno Yung’s
team.
The Snitzel three-year-old gelding finished second in the
Inglis Nursery and the Listed Oxlade Stakes in Brisbane during the
winter carnival.
The
third high-profile export was the Gerald Ryan and Sterling
Alexiou-trained Sinba which has gone to Hong Kong to be prepared for
next year’s Hong Kong Derby in March.
Sinba has been transferred for champion Kiwi trainer Jamie Richards.
“The
original plan was for his to stay here until the end of the spring in
his four-year-old season but there was a change with the arrival
conditions for the Hong Kong Derby, so he had to go early than we’d
hoped,” Gerald Ryan said.
“He’s a lovely horse, a horse we never saw the best of here.
“He’s a genuine Group horse and he should appreciate getting firm tracks in Hong Kong.”
Undefeated
Tavistock gelding Another Rally, formerly trained by Patrick Payne, was
another on the shipment and heads to Tony Cruz.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2022 at 6:34pm
Impressive maiden winner Tattenham has quickly been snapped up by Hong
Kong buyers and will continue his career there for new trainer Pierre
Ng.
Prepared in Victoria by Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young,
Tattenham came from last to storm over the top of his rivals and win a
maiden at Cranbourne by three lengths last month at just his second race
start.
He will now be conditioned by Ng, who is about to embark
on his first season as a trainer in Hong Kong and previously worked for
the likes of David Hayes, David Payne, Chris Waller and Mick Price as
part of his training apprenticeship, while in more recent times, he's
served as the assistant to Francis Lui, the trainer of champion miler
Golden Sixty.
Fellow lightly raced galloper Alcedo has also made the trip to Hong Kong to join top trainer Frankie Lor's stable.
Alcedo
was trained by Leon and Troy Corstens, who he had one start for, an eye
catching second placing in the Listed Anzac Day Stakes at Flemington.
Others on the flight to Hong Kong last week include Queensland
galloper Majestic Colour, a winner of his past four starts, as well as a
pair of staying types, Caulfield winner Elzamee and WA Derby runner up
Pale Rider.
Overall, 13 horses were on the plane from Australia to
Hong Kong last week, six of them previously raced horses and seven who
haven't yet raced.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 6:38pm
Nick Ryan’s unbeaten galloper Mr News has been sold to Hong Kong and is set to join the stable of Douglas Whyte.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 3:40pm
What a shame
Ready To Run Inglis 2022
The sale grossed more than $15.5 million, with 20 of the 28
highest-priced lots purchased to race in either Hong Kong or Singapore.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 3:54pm
Wonder how many John and young George bought , he couldn't fire a shot here .
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2022 at 3:33pm
Former Tony and Calvin McEvoy trained three-year-old Twin Stars
headlines the latest group of Australian horses that arrived in Hong
Kong earlier this week.
The Zoustar colt won the Magic Millions
Two-Year-Old Classic at Murray Bridge in March before going on to claim
the G3 South Australian Sires’ Produce Stakes at Morphetville during the
Adelaide Autumn Racing Carnival.
Twin Stars will now be trained in Hong Kong by local conditioner Benno Yung.
Nick Ryan's unbeaten galloper Mr
News and The Problem With, who won twice under the training of Mick
Price and Michael Kent (Jnr), also were on the flight to Hong Kong that
arrived in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
Two of Chris
Waller’s former gallopers, Chain and Podium, will continue their careers
in the Asian racing hub, as will Nishikado, who was owned by Price
Bloodstock and won both of his starts in South Australia.
Overall, 25 Australian horses made up the latest planeload of horses to Hong Kong, including 19 unraced gallopers.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2022 at 8:48am
Joao Moreira has handed in his Hong Kong licence and is planning a global farewell tour beginning at Sha Tin next month.
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 5:23pm
The G1 Hong Kong Vase over 2400m has been won by Win Marilyn (5m Screen Hero x Cosmo Cielo, by Fusaichi Pegasus) defeating Botanik & Glory Vase.
The winner is trained in Japan & ridden by Damian Lane. Last start, she ran 2nd in the G1 Queen Elizabeth Cup in Japan. Her dam, Cosmo Cielo, was bred in Australia & related to stakeswinners here.
The Kong Kong Sprint coming up next. The market dominated by Lucky Sweynesse & Wellington.
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 5:39pm
Thanks GA. Damian is just thriving in Japan, and now in HK.
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 5:48pm
Just trying to work out what is going on with Gendarme. Surely he should he one of the favourites but there are huge odds available about him in some places.
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 5:55pm
Wellington wins the G1 Hong Kong Sprint from Sight Success & Sky Field.
I've heard excellent judges suggest he is the best sprinter in the world!
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 6:07pm
Who's to argue, though the place-getters appear somewhat talented 2nd graders at the higher level which begs the question.
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 7:09pm
The G1 Hong Kong Mile has been won by California Spangle (4g Starspangledbanner x Pearlitas Passion, by High Chaparral) defeating Golden Sixty (who had won this race twice before) & Laws Of Indices. Ridden by Zac Purton.
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 7:27pm
Zac not at all impressed with Hughie.
Golden Sixty would still have his career winning streak intact if he was ridden by Purton or someone of that ilk.
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Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 7:49pm
The G1 Hong Kong Cup over 2000m has been won easily by Romantic Warrior (4g Acclamation x Folk Melody, by Street Cry) defeating Danon The Kid & Money Catcher. Ridden by James McDonald.
He takes his record to 9 wins from 10 starts!
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 7:50pm
That was IMPRESSIVE
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2022 at 1:33pm
Derby placegetter moves to HK
This year’s Queensland Derby runner-up Paternal will continue
his racing career in Hong Kong, after arriving in the Asian city on
Monday night.
Paternal, formerly trained by Chris
Waller, registered wins at Newcastle and Goulburn, before he was
narrowly in both the G3 Rough Habit Plate (2143m) and the G1 Queensland
Derby (2400m).
Brisbane’s premier staying race for
three-year old’s has been used as a steppingstone to Hong Kong success
previously with the likes of Werther (second in 2015), Eagle Way (first
in 2016) and more recently, Senor Toba (second in 2021) all going on to
win at Group level in Hong Kong.
Paternal will be trained in Hong Kong by Francis Lui, who also puts the polish on champion miler Golden Sixty.
The
son of Savabeel is one of three ex-Waller horses who arrived in Hong
Kong last night, along with Hameron and Northern Beaches.
The
planeload of Australian horses also featured 2021 Skyline Stakes winner
O’President, stakes level performer Capital Tower and Desert Star, a
Moe 1117-metre maiden winner who was runner-up to Elkington Road at
Flemington at his final Victorian start.
Overall, 24
Australian horses were on the latest shipment to Hong Kong, eight of
those tried horses with a further sixteen unraced horses.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2022 at 1:45pm
The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the
time you realise it doesn't say anything, it's too late to stop reading
it.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 12:02pm
HONG KONG'S PARITY PROBLEM
By Michael Cox
Hong Kong racing’s stable numbers cap should work like a salary cap in a sports league.
One of the outstanding characteristics of the jurisdiction is the diversity of its handicap racing: it is typical to see a full field of 14 horses raced by 14 different owners and prepared by 14 different trainers.
It
is a refreshing sight for a punter, especially compared with other
major jurisdictions like Australia, where smaller fields can be
dominated by multiple runners from stables so big they have multi-state
operations and a corporate structure.
In Hong Kong the
diversity has allowed dynamic, competitive racing and, critically, the
perception of fairness in an environment where wagering is paramount and
integrity is a priority to ensure customer confidence.
The 14
runners/owners/trainers dynamic is under threat by changes to the Jockey
Club licencing rules that include an increase in the amount of horses a
trainer can have in his stable, plus new permit rules that allow Hong
Kong’s richest owners to flex their numbers advantage even more.
When the HKJC
began expanding its training operations and opened the Conghua Training
Centre on the mainland in August 2018, nine trainers were given a head
start on their rivals. Not only were the “Conghua nine” given first use
of the world class facilities, but they were given ten extra horses
above the previous stable limit of 60.
It was part of a
trend that has helped the pointy end of the premiership at the expense
of the rest, and put the squeeze on those already struggling at the
bottom.
First came five year extensions for the higher-performers – http://url9289.asianracingreport.com/ls/click?upn=xYHS3mKVNpvQNKIVlKVhhdwGk8hsj8TjXrYiT1EFNJDlZHYJf5iV9mA5YSoMcwfT3QLQhu33HyUlQRWzbUtpfN3lnucj5ZIEtKXCNeXiBjwIDMhS-2BigTxF4unkQdqaCT-2F66xXN0kDGOA0d6Tt-2FtaFWpT3Tdyj3LLjZiTi8o3HKo-3DjpMR_kd6DVW-2BMguEoaTlEMJbcdG6-2F6PLoGyNpwryA2JULsagSr5OkpnTZONx5-2BuJaBnXdin5XgZTlof7b0rOhnioEsD2zeusCV3aNa44bMKyYJemfbl-2FF8xRcZJvHOcPHblZVToZekkju4ZQz0CCwZh5AD7ons3ZrJL5zLHt6LNiY0ovmfsC67q7SpdnrQGw93M-2FG-2FWs-2FIbbifASnWXALjY9qs494ETRTepUy-2Fs1ES7Qke0mVqJj8Y9v3tSW-2BU8QTcSwXLRr2M03bIvzw0Th4TR7-2F7SuD-2FYhm1I6oUe-2BtwakWZthqGU1d00aWi8zGL6PgwKaD9e-2BwmyV64Riba4qHjELxSvk8OffyzdkDrwam1b1QN1u3oJWg81yPMaaOjqAExID1qIe6t-2BJN5sMLI-2F59UqED7kNGPSKIH1dkezk9fWL3dVo2WeMlIwMXBrHxbLz3wJACBtadv8L-2BnDvbpzM8x69QgReSqIAt6VqAdoRcRI07fOfFu9rhvJIXC15tlJ9oY-2BWH-2FE32UTvAJZ6lOc57fXQgZA4AGy0ljWjuvo0Vxl1hDHuSjeKxmQtt0Mu-2FunBXt1Qz4VhSVhlwpweM7bpNzeUQfDBr85GCrkPFts3V01jyMtXPKQtz-2FlB6FcIUG1SlXEQESiuO6rCNRT3kQNOD6-2BkEh-2Bj0A-2Fb4bXnpcrF-2BffSCLPPLr2fDWC-2BtSGT-2BYMlfQh1jBsHL-2Bcz4EVxnY48Nda2X3-2B4YwDFGdremQn790PsANAHTEwKOs4hJ6SJftW8Bmg39cuCjh0WQyYCt6puFfcnI6-2BJ608OQYNdv-2FrKeMfFHcCWWdU7G9xYUoj6niGCkQscsiAKhClKijY3AmY5ZTxd3SjdayWhqlhUamYS0QyurtZ8a2nS95i7cH2okLHtZozEUB-2FXQVMAfC4XXToqw7g-2BbW8QokOsWXCSjv2uVe3ngozybpUdiZCFowr1qRZwinGGPpRiH-2Fh-2BBZ2bO8ZTB-2FpfxGXQasPGl9xSQCnoU8JX4ymU-3D" rel="nofollow - the so-called ‘John Moore Rule’
– then after Moore was out in 2020, as much as ten extra years was on
offer for anybody else who could meet the new, and much more convoluted,
requirements. John Size will be a beneficiary beyond 70, and Francis
Lui and Ricky Yiu were granted extensions past 65.
At the bottom of
the premiership, those not meeting minimum benchmarks had always been on
a ‘three strikes-and-you’re-out’ deal, but now trainers low on the
ladder are on an even more slippery slope. At the start of 2020-21 it
was announced that not only would trainers need to get to 18 wins to
avoid a dreaded ‘strike’, only two wins from Class 5 – the bottom grade
of racing – can count towards that total.
This has put
trainers already struggling in an even tougher spot: typically the
trainers more likely to be already on career death row are those who
will have more Class 5-qualified runners.
Michael Chang is
walking the plank this season, he has two strikes, and 16 of his 30
raced horses are eligible for Class 5. He has four wins, none of which
were in Class 5, but it would seem almost a mathematical impossibility
for him to meet the minimum win criteria.
Some would suggest that is why there are minimum benchmarks: to weed out underperforming trainers and bring in fresh blood.
In theory that
works, but the system should also ensure some sort of parity so that
larger stables do not become all-powerful and dominate numbers-wise, and
that those struggling can conceivably climb back to contention. There
are doubts whether or not the current situation allows it.
The expansion to
70, and head-start given to some of the stables, has meant that there is
less of a ‘trickle down’ effect. Part of the benefit of a hard limit at
60 was that if top trainers wanted to import new talent, they were
forced to let go of second- or third-year horses that had reached a
plateau in the ratings. Those horses stuck on a limit with the big yards
were welcomed by those on the lower rungs. The powerful couldn’t simply
stockpile talent.
The 70 horse
limit has meant that the battlers no longer seem to be getting that
transfer boost, and the fact that the overall horse population hasn’t
grown, let alone reached the ambitious targets set ahead of the mainland
expansion, means that the bottom stables are under even more pressure.
With around 40
per cent of the season gone, four trainers have less than five wins
(Chang, Richard Gibson, Me Tsui and Tony Millard). Peter Ho, another on
two strikes, has eight wins and has already used one of his Class 5
victories.
The
aforementioned changes to ownership permit guidelines, rushed through to
address the horse population problem, won’t help the cause of those
stuck at the bottom or slipping. Owners can now have five horses in
training instead of four, and underperforming horses are easier to
replace, rather than transfer. The general upshot? The rich get richer.
At the bottom, uncertainty about licencing means it is hard for
struggling trainers like Chang or Ho to inspire owners to buy horses for
their stables.
One positive
since the retirement of John Moore has been that there are more trainers
in G1 races. Are the Group races ‘better’ or more competitive? Probably
not, but the success of new trainers Frankie Lor and Douglas Whyte,
plus the late career renaissance of Lui and Yiu has given the stakes
races a boost as a range of trainers battle it out.
The change in the
big race landscape is certainly a better look. A low point came in 2015
when John Moore’s four runners took on two John Size charges in a six
horse G1 Champions Mile won by 1.2 shot Able Friend. Officials may well
point to improvement in that area, but that isn’t the issue: Group races
make up less than five per cent of the schedule.
Imagine a Class 3
with a small field and three trainers represented? That could be where
we are headed if the season keeps getting longer – as planned – and
lower performing trainers are squeezed out, which is also happening.
The bedrock of
Hong Kong racing isn’t at the elite end, it is in the bread-and-butter
of Class 3, 4 and 5. Full and competitive fields are required to keep
the turnover machine whirring. Big fields with a full complement of
owners and trainers are needed to maintain the confidence of a tough
punting public.
The current
stewards panel, under outgoing chief stipe Kim Kelly’s leadership, has
avoided race fixing controversies – there hasn’t been an Independent
Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) charge for an on-track incident
during his tenure – and the Club has done exceptionally well to lift the
perception of the sport.
The club can help
maintain that hard-earned reputation for fair racing by striving to
maintain the 14 horse/14 trainer balance. To do that, a re-think of the
rules for the lower- and top-ranked trainers is required.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 8:25pm
No idea where Racenet got their form from & therefore who's responsible for this costly misinformation for Oz punters She actually rode the winner Voyage Bubble at $23odd which admittedly was overs due to the error
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 8:52pm
Think Ferraris was scheduled to ride.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 7:55pm
Jamie Kah 5 x 2nds from 5 rides with 3 to go Her punting fans'll be on their knees!
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 10:11pm
The sports fans will be jumping for joy.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 10:35pm
The real Hong Kong highlight....
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 6:57pm
The G1 Chairman's Sprint Prize (1200m) has been won by red hot favourite, Lucky Sweynesse (4g Sweynesse x Madonna Mia, by Red Clubs) who scored an easy win over Courier Wonder & Wellington. Very impressive!
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 7:09pm
Grey Affair wrote:
The G1 Chairman's Sprint Prize (1200m) has been won by red hot favourite, Lucky Sweynesse (4g Sweynesse x Madonna Mia, by Red Clubs) who scored an easy win over Courier Wonder & Wellington. Very impressive!
...And after they presentation they play the Chinese National Anthem.
Where's the Airplane flyover?
Zac Purton not choking? Take the money and run!
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 8:07pm
Reckon Annabelle 's horse is lame , when the pressure went on he wasn't a happy horse imo.
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 8:10pm
Golden Sixty wins the G1 Champions Mile from Beauty Joy & California Spangle.
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 8:36pm
Dubai Honour to do Australia's honour proud.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 8:51pm
Romantic Warrior wins the G1 QEII Cup defeating Prognosis & Dubai Honour
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 9:03pm
HK horses different gravy today
------------- Time is a flat circle
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 9:04pm
Carioca wrote:
Reckon Annabelle 's horse is lame , when the pressure went on he wasn't a happy horse imo.
Commentator said that AEGON running fifth picked up more prizemoney that he would in a Group race in NZ...
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 1:10pm
Does anyone agree that if Prognosis gets away with the winner , he just about wins the race , or possibly needs 2400 m .
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 1:21pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 1:25pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 1:29pm
goldey wrote:
Does anyone agree that if Prognosis gets away with the winner , he just about wins the race , or possibly needs 2400 m .
He finishes a hell of a lot closer had his Jockey committed to an inside run from the top of the straight.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 01 May 2023 at 3:45pm
Carioca wrote:
Reckon Annabelle 's horse is lame , when the pressure went on he wasn't a happy horse imo.
[/QUOTE]
Annabelle made comment after the race that perhaps he is a wet tracker, as he's had a couple goes on firmer surfaces now and looked plain.
------------- Seeing Manchester United relegated would mean more than words can describe to me.
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2023 at 6:49pm
Romantic Warrior coming over for the Turnbull and Cox Plate
------------- Time is a flat circle
Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2023 at 1:32am
Thesis I've been told its good and ready soon.
------------- Panspermia.
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2023 at 10:03pm
105
28
42
21
113
28
21
35
32
102
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 12:11am
Days since their last start of each winner?
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 1:51am
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Plastic letters
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 2:35pm
Glad I didn’t bet there last night. Chronic leader/fence results on the all weather track.
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 7:19pm
105
32
25
109
25
25
109
These numbers are probably worthless.
The next race is an 1800m contest and the shortest break between races is 18 days.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 7:29pm
I thought Australia had a greater presence in Hong Kong.
Trainers' Ranking
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerRanking.aspx?Season=Current&View=Percentage&Racecourse=ALL" rel="nofollow -
View in Percentage
Trainer
Win
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
Total Runs
Stakes Won
Trainers in Service
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=LKW&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - K W Lui
13
7
8
6
5
71
$19,695,875
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=SCS&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - C S Shum
13
2
1
7
9
70
$15,075,125
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=FC&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - C Fownes
12
11
6
14
11
101
$16,937,850
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=NPC&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - P C Ng
11
8
12
9
7
90
$13,132,350
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=LFC&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - F C Lor
11
3
7
7
7
71
$17,727,150
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=HAD&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - D J Hall
7
5
6
6
5
54
$9,356,475
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=CAS&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - A S Cruz
6
10
9
10
12
94
$17,000,100
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=WDJ&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - D J Whyte
6
9
3
9
7
76
$9,168,725
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=MKL&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - K L Man
5
8
9
5
4
75
$10,277,350
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=YPF&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - P F Yiu
5
8
3
9
7
73
$7,939,425
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=YCH&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - C H Yip
5
3
6
2
3
49
$5,587,775
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=HDA&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - D A Hayes
4
9
9
3
8
72
$8,786,625
https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/information/English/Trainers/TrainerProfile.aspx?TrainerId=SWY&Season=Current" rel="nofollow - W Y So
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 8:15pm
Seems a change of trainer was all he needed. Was never too far away in his races.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 6:40pm
Decided to play a little game.
Horse trainers in Hong Kong space their horses runs 80% of the time at least 3 weeks apart.
4 horses today at Hong Kong had the spacing less than 14 days. 7 days for 1, 11 days for 3 of them. They all ran dismally. It cost me a lot, My pussy will not be getting any of his crack this week.
My thinking was, These horses must have pleased their trainers.
edited here -
If I had decided to this prior to the 1st race it would have paid off. I just noticed he was coming off an 11 day break as well...
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 6:49pm
That is so typical of us punters! I was checking out home track trained gallopers, NSW & Q/land prov/country, morning line priced at 20/1+. I'd write them down & go thru' results as they'd come in & sure enough there'd be an $80 job I'd missed; this happened so often I decided against giving it a try with real $$$s
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 5:18pm
The Gp1 Hong Kong Vase over 2400m has been won by Junko (4g Intello x Lady Zuzu, by Dynaformer) who defeated Zeffino & Warm Heart.
At his previous start Junko won the Gp1 Grosser Preis von Bayern.
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 5:24pm
Thanks GA.
By a German foaled sire with Junko himself a German Group 1 winner himself. Ticino our valued member from Germany will no doubt be well pleased.
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 5:26pm
An absolute dawdle and the quinella have come from the rear.
The 3yo Japanese colt Lebensstil monumentally disappointing.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 5:30pm
Second Chance wrote:
Thanks GA.
By a German foaled sire with Junko himself a German Group 1 winner himself. Ticino our valued member from Germany will no doubt be well pleased.
That was a nice win.
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 5:55pm
The Gp1 Hong Kong Sprint has been won by the odds on favourite Lucky Sweynesse (5g Sweynesse x Madonna Mia, by Red Clubs) who defeated Lucky With You & Wellington.
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 6:02pm
Lucky Sweynesse very very lucky.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 6:04pm
And a truly marvelous post-race spectacle to boot.
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 7:04pm
The Gp1 Hong Kong Mile has been won by Golden Sixty (8g Medaglia d'Oro x Gaudeamus, by Distorted Humor) defeating Voyage Bubble & Namur.
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 7:05pm
And,
for those with young families, it was a rare chance to take their
children to the track (those under 18 are generally unable to attend the
races). They certainly made the most of the entertainment provided.
Grey Affair wrote:
Her punting fans'll be on their knees!
