Bred To Stay
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Topic: Bred To Stay
Posted By: Hot2Trot
Subject: Bred To Stay
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 11:52am
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Thought I would start a thread for those of us who like to identify potential stayers on their breeding. Particularly horses likely to improve when they step up in distance.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 11:54am
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Pendolin. By Pentire out of a Zabeel mare. Full sister to Pergola who won over 3000m. Last start winner over 1400m at Warwick Farm.
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Posted By: Group 1 Selections
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 12:33pm
| TEAR GAS (NZ) [2010] 3yo b f 12/11/2010 |
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| http://horseform.racingandsports.com.au/viewStallion.asp?lan=&id=3AD4E775141E8FDB40922E346D" rel="nofollow - High Chaparral (IRE) - http://horseform.racingandsports.com.au/viewHorse.asp?lan=&id=39D4EC79147F93D55E8D22" rel="nofollow - Irlanda (NZ) (O'reilly (NZ)) http://www.racingandsports.com.au/SalesResults/NZBloodstock/2012/159_2012%20Premier%20Yearling%20Sale/159_0252.html" rel="nofollow - Pedigree | |
High Chap x an O'reilly mare, her dam though was better over the shorter trips which should make up for the dourness of some O'Reilly's.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 12:48pm
 Group 1 Selections wrote:
| TEAR GAS (NZ) [2010] 3yo b f 12/11/2010 |
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| http://horseform.racingandsports.com.au/viewStallion.asp?lan=&id=3AD4E775141E8FDB40922E346D" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 12:50pm
Hot2Trot wrote:
Pendolin. By Pentire out of a Zabeel mare. Full sister to Pergola who won over 3000m. Last start winner over 1400m at Warwick Farm. |
Racing in 1400m mares at Rosehill. Might be on the short side, but she can sprint home strongly.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 12:53pm
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Interestingly, of Imposing, Centaine, Zabeel and O'Rielly none of them where stayers. A mile was where they won their big races.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 1:02pm
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Yes it is interesting. They obviously carry staying blood though. Just a thought, but perhaps that's a good ingredient for a sire - to have staying blood but excel at a mile.
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Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 1:08pm
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Yeah, O'Reilly was a sprinter-miler yet he's sired many 2000m+ horses. Now has a reputation as a staying sire.
Pentire most definitely a stayer and sire of such, yet he's produces some top class horses who struggle beyond a mile like King Mufhasa and Rangirangdoo.
Of course we should never forget that the sire is only half the pedigree.
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Posted By: msbcooper
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 2:43pm
Another Prayer
About to jump at Randwick, Race 2
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Posted By: Racing Carrot
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 5:01pm
Group 1 Selections wrote:
| TEAR GAS (NZ) [2010] 3yo b f 12/11/2010 |
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| http://horseform.racingandsports.com.au/viewStallion.asp?lan=&id=3AD4E775141E8FDB40922E346D" rel="nofollow - 1st dam
IRLANDA, by O'Reilly. 6 wins from 1200m to 1600m,
NZ$300,125, Counties RC Auckland Thoroughbred Breeders' S., Gr.2,
Manawatu RC Eulogy S., Gr.3, Rotorua RC Lion Red P., L, Hawke's
Bay Bay Ford H., 2d Te Aroha JC New Zealand Thoroughbred Breeders' S.,
Gr.1, ARC Westbury Classic, Hawke's Bay DHL Global H., BOP RC Ultimate Motor
Group Ford 3YO H., 3d ARC Eight Carat Classic, Gr.2, 4th Waikato RC Sir
Tristram Fillies Classic, Gr.2. Half-sister to Go Our Kingi - Maverick
Star(H.K.). This is her second foal. Her first foal is a 2YO.
2nd dam
CENPHIC, by Centaine. Winner at 1000m in Aust. Dam of 7 named
foals, all raced, 5 winners, inc:-
IRLANDA(O'Reilly). 6 wins. See above.
Go Our Kingi - Maverick Star(H.K.) (Desert King). 4 wins
from 1300m to 1600m, NZ$11,625, HK$4,239,750, M$299,000, Marton JC Rural Bulk
Spreaders 3YO S., Hong Kong Racehorse Owners Association Trophy H., HKJC Kiu
Tsui H., 2d Hong Kong Jockey Club Community Trophy, 3d Macau Hong Kong
Trophy, L, 4th WRC Wellington S., Gr.3.
Cristal Magnum. 2 wins at 1200m, 1400m to 2010-11, HKJC Pyramid
Hill H., Kut Cheong H., 2d HKJC Chengdu H.
Ottumwa. 3 wins from 1550m to 1750m, 2d WATC Puntathon H.
3rd dam
SERAPHIC, by Imposing. 8 wins from 1600m to 2200m,
NZ$141,260, Rotorua Challenge S., Gr.3, 2d ARC Air New Zealand S.,
Gr.1, Waikato RC International S., Gr.2, ARC Trainers' Championship
S., Gr.3, Manawatu Challenge S., L, Canterbury Breeders' S.H.,
L, 4th Waikato RC International S., Gr.1, Wairarapa Thoroughbred
Breeders' S., L. Half-sister to QUEEN OF KIWI, Sekula Pata,
Quiescent (dam of BIRD, HAPPY GILMOUR - SMOOTH SAILING(Mal.)). Dam
of 10 foals, 8 to race, 6 winners, inc:-
Tornadic Sky. 8 wins to 1200m, A$189,150, QTC Tooheys New H, BTC
Play Poker for Free H., Greenback RSL Hero's H., Ipswich TC Ray White P.
Deep Purple. Winner at 2200m, HKJC Po Shek Wu H., 2d HKJC
Hyderabad H.
4th dam
TORQUAY, by Wharf. 4 wins from 1200m to 2400m, Great
Northern Oaks, Gr.2, Manawatu Breeders' S., Gr.3, Masterton RC
Members' H., 3d Manawatu Cup, Gr.3, WRC Telfords H., 4th Manawatu RC
Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club H., L. Blood-sister to Onshore (dam of SIR
DANIEL), half-sister to (Our) Sacrosanct, Pearl Dragon (dam of
SPRING RAIN). Dam of 13 named foals, all raced, 9 winners, inc:-
SERAPHIC(Imposing). 8 wins. See above.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 5:58pm
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Not getting excited by Tear Gas. I would have liked her to have shown more ability in those short maidens.
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Posted By: Group 1 Selections
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 6:42pm
Hot2Trot wrote:
Not getting excited by Tear Gas. I would have liked her to have shown more ability in those short maidens. |
I wasn't either until I saw her work and what she beat in her fast work with the rider not moving a muscle  |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 7:00pm
Scamanda tells me, Long John. Out of... THE PUB ..By ...TEN O'CLOCK.
That's Shocking breeding.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2013 at 2:11pm
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Pendolin was blocked for a run on Saturday and should probably have won, especially considering the leader bias. Look for improvement when she steps up in distance.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 3:22pm
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May's Dream, the VRC Oaks favourite is definitely bred to stay. Her sire New Approach (by staying sire Galileo) won the 2008 Epsom Derby, and in England has already sired the winner of the Epsom Oaks, Talent. In Australia, New Approach's oldest progeny are only 3yos, but he already has a staying winner in Gamblin Guru (Geelong Derby Trial). May's Dream's dam is She's Archie, who ran second to Makybe Diva in the 2003 Melbourne Cup. She's Archie no doubt inherited her stoutness from sire Archway and grandsire Almaarad. There is very little doubt May's Dream will stay the VRC Oaks distance, and may even be a Melbourne Cup chance next year.
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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 4:21pm
Dawn Approach is an out and out miler..
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Panspermia.
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 4:36pm
Possibly because his dam Hymn of the Dawn is predominantly bred along sprinting lines.
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It's hard to soar with eagles...
Cheers
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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 6:00pm
Run For Fun wrote:
Possibly because his dam Hymn of the Dawn is predominantly bred along sprinting lines. |
Didn't stop the experts from running him in the Derby as fav...
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Panspermia.
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 6:02pm
Hawkspur?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 6:55pm
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Watch Sevva Nights in the opener at Moonee Valley tonight.
This horse is bred to stay and stay all-night.
Watch him chasing and busting a gut trying to keep up. This is the thing that annoys me about Australian trainers.
Hopefully it has not busted a clearly talented horse.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 6:58pm
http://www.pedigreequery.com/savabeel" rel="nofollow - SAVABEEL (AUS)
br. 2001 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/zabeel" rel="nofollow - ZABEEL (NZ)
b. 1986 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/sir+tristram" rel="nofollow - SIR TRISTRAM (IRE)
b. 1971 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/sir+ivor" rel="nofollow - SIR IVOR (USA)
b. 1965 [IC] | http://www.pedigreequery.com/sir+gaylord" rel="nofollow - SIR GAYLORD (USA) | b. 1959 [IC] | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/attica" rel="nofollow - ATTICA (USA) | ch. 1953 * | http://www.pedigreequery.com/isolt" rel="nofollow - ISOLT (USA)
b. 1961 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/round+table" rel="nofollow - ROUND TABLE (USA) | b. 1954 [S] | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/all+my+eye" rel="nofollow - ALL MY EYE (GB) | ch. 1954 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/lady+giselle" rel="nofollow - LADY GISELLE (FR)
b. 1982 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/nureyev" rel="nofollow - NUREYEV (USA)
b. 1977 [C] | http://www.pedigreequery.com/northern+dancer" rel="nofollow - NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) | b. 1961 [BC] | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/special" rel="nofollow - SPECIAL (USA) | b. 1969 * | http://www.pedigreequery.com/valderna" rel="nofollow - VALDERNA (FR)
b. 1972 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/val+de+loir" rel="nofollow - VAL DE LOIR (FR) | b. 1959 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/derna" rel="nofollow - DERNA (FR) | b. 1961 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/savannah+success" rel="nofollow - SAVANNAH SUCCESS (AUS)
br. 1995 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/success+express" rel="nofollow - SUCCESS EXPRESS (USA)
b. 1985 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/hold+your+peace" rel="nofollow - HOLD YOUR PEACE (USA)
b. 1969 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/speak+john" rel="nofollow - SPEAK JOHN (USA) | b. 1958 [BI] | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/blue+moon2" rel="nofollow - BLUE MOON (USA) | b. 1948 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/au+printemps" rel="nofollow - AU PRINTEMPS (USA)
b. 1979 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/dancing+champ" rel="nofollow - DANCING CHAMP (USA) | b. 1972 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/lorgnette2" rel="nofollow - LORGNETTE (IRE) | ch. 1964 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/alma+mater6" rel="nofollow - ALMA MATER (AUS)
br. 1988 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/semipalatinsk" rel="nofollow - SEMIPALATINSK (USA)
b. 1978 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/nodouble" rel="nofollow - NODOUBLE (USA) | ch. 1965 [CP] | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/school+board" rel="nofollow - SCHOOL BOARD (USA) | b. 1968 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/sweetie5" rel="nofollow - SWEETIE (AUS)
br. 1981 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/without+fear" rel="nofollow - WITHOUT FEAR (FR) | b. 1967 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/virginia17" rel="nofollow - VIRGINIA (AUS) | br. 1972 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/clermont+rose" rel="nofollow - CLERMONT ROSE (NZ)
b. 1991 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/sound+reason" rel="nofollow - SOUND REASON (CAN)
br. 1974 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/bold+reason" rel="nofollow - BOLD REASON (USA)
b. 1968 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/hail+to+reason" rel="nofollow - HAIL TO REASON (USA)
br. 1958 [C] | http://www.pedigreequery.com/turn-to" rel="nofollow - TURN-TO (USA) | b. 1951 [BI] | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/nothirdchance" rel="nofollow - NOTHIRDCHANCE (USA) | b. 1948 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/lalun" rel="nofollow - LALUN (USA)*
b. 1952 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/djeddah" rel="nofollow - DJEDDAH (FR) | ch. 1945 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/be+faithful" rel="nofollow - BE FAITHFUL (USA) | br. 1942 * | http://www.pedigreequery.com/new+tune" rel="nofollow - NEW TUNE (CAN)
b. 1968 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/new+providence" rel="nofollow - NEW PROVIDENCE (CAN)
b. 1956 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/bull+page" rel="nofollow - BULL PAGE (USA) | b. 1947 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/fair+colleen" rel="nofollow - FAIR COLLEEN (GB) | ch. 1950 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/song+of+victory" rel="nofollow - SONG OF VICTORY (CAN)
b. 1962 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/victoria+park" rel="nofollow - VICTORIA PARK (CAN) | b. 1957 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/evensong" rel="nofollow - EVENSONG (GB) | dkb/br. 1950 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/clermont+lass" rel="nofollow - CLERMONT LASS (NZ)
br. 1986 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/centaine" rel="nofollow - CENTAINE (AUS)
br. 1980 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/century2" rel="nofollow - CENTURY (AUS)
br. 1969 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/better+boy" rel="nofollow - BETTER BOY (IRE) | b. 1951 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/royal+suite3" rel="nofollow - ROYAL SUITE (AUS) | br. 1960 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/rainbeam" rel="nofollow - RAINBEAM (AUS)
b. 1973 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/vain2" rel="nofollow - VAIN (AUS) | ch. 1966 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/rain+shadow" rel="nofollow - RAIN SHADOW (AUS) | blk. 1967 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/bourbon+lass2" rel="nofollow - BOURBON LASS (NZ)
b. 1963 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/bourbon+prince" rel="nofollow - BOURBON PRINCE (USA)
b. 1957 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/princequillo" rel="nofollow - PRINCEQUILLO (IRE) | b. 1940 [IS] | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/lyceum" rel="nofollow - LYCEUM (USA) | b. 1948 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/kilt3" rel="nofollow - KILT (NZ)
b. 1956 | http://www.pedigreequery.com/faux+tirage" rel="nofollow - FAUX TIRAGE (GB) | b. 1946 | | http://www.pedigreequery.com/haidie" rel="nofollow - HAIDIE (NZ) | ch. 1946 |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 7:36pm
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You would think djebel, with Savabeel, Sound Reason and Centaine. Maybe not though. The dam Clermont Rose has had five to race. Four were so slow they failed to earn any prizemoney. The other one was a horse called Aspinal (by Pins) who won twice at 1200m and once at 1300m.
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 7:36pm
Well for mine he's a miler/middle distance type on pedigree. But then again underestimate the Zabeel/Sir T element at your very own risk.
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It's hard to soar with eagles...
Cheers
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 7:45pm
Run For Fun wrote:
Well for mine he's a miler/middle distance type on pedigree. But then again underestimate the Zabeel/Sir T element at your very own risk. |
I wonder if you're thinking miler because of Sound Reason. From memory he was a miler. However at stud he's thrown quite a few stayers, including Senator winner of the 1996 Auckland Cup.
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 8:01pm
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That Last Tycoon,
sire of O’Reilly, ran mainly at 5f, and 6f, in Europe. When he ran in the Breeders’ Cup Mile, that
was one of the strongest feelings bettingwise I’ve ever had. His damsire was Mill Reef, who needs no
introduction. Lower down in the pedigree
is Sayavirao, who won the St Leger.
Last Tycoon’s
average winning distance of his 3yo+ progeny is 9.5 furlongs.
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 8:20pm
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lol, coincidence. The winner of the 2500m h'cap at MV just now has Savabeel as sire and Last Tycoon as damsire.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 8:27pm
Gerald wrote:
That Last Tycoon,
sire of O’Reilly, ran mainly at 5f, and 6f, in Europe. When he ran in the Breeders’ Cup Mile, that
was one of the strongest feelings bettingwise I’ve ever had. His damsire was Mill Reef, who needs no
introduction. Lower down in the pedigree
is Sayavirao, who won the St Leger.
Last Tycoon’s
average winning distance of his 3yo+ progeny is 9.5 furlongs. |
Last Tycoon is a little like Oasis Dream in my book. Both sprinters both with slightly more dour pedigrees than the typical sprinter.
| LAST TYCOON (IRE) | Bay or brown colt 1983 | |
Try My Best
Bay 1975 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Brown 1954 | Nearco
Brown 1935 | Pharos
Nogara | 1920
1928 | 13-e
4-r | Lady Angela
Chestnut 1944 | Hyperion
Sister Sarah | 1930
1930 | 6-e
14-c | Natalma
Bay 1957 | Native Dancer
Grey 1950 | Polynesian
Geisha | 1942
1943 | 14-a
5-f | Almahmoud
Chestnut 1947 | Mahmoud
Arbitrator | 1933
1937 | 9-c
2-d | Sex Appeal
Chestnut 1970 | Buckpasser
Bay 1963 | Tom Fool
Bay 1949 | Menow
Gaga | 1935
1942 | 8-g
3-j | Busanda
Black 1947 | War Admiral
Businesslike | 1934
1939 | 11-g
1-s | Best in Show
Chestnut 1965 | Traffic Judge
Chestnut 1952 | Alibhai
Traffic Court | 1938
1938 | 6-d
3-n | Stolen Hour
Chestnut 1953 | Mr Busher
Late Date | 1946
1929 | 1-s
8-f | Mill Princess
Bay 1977 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Bay 1960 | Nasrullah
Bay 1940 | Nearco
Mumtaz Begum | 1935
1932 | 4-r
9-c | Lalun
Bay 1952 | Djeddah
Be Faithful | 1945
1942 | 13-c
19-b | Milan Mill
Bay 1962 | Princequillo
Bay 1940 | Prince Rose
Cosquilla | 1928
1933 | 10-c
1-b | Virginia Water
Grey 1953 | Count Fleet
Red Ray | 1940
1947 | 6-a
22-d | Irish Lass
Bay 1962 | Sayajirao
Brown 1944 | Nearco
Brown 1935 | Pharos
Nogara | 1920
1928 | 13-e
4-r | Rosy Legend
Brown 1931 | Dark Legend
Rosy Cheeks | 1914
1919 | 9-e
3-n | Scollata
Bay 1952 | Niccolo Dell'Arca
Bay 1938 | Coronach
Nogara | 1923
1928 | 4-f
4-r | Cutaway
Bay 1943 | Fairway
Schiaparelli | 1925
1935 | 13-e
8-c |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Nearco | 4m x 5m,4m | | Nogara | 5m x 5m,5m | | | |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 8:28pm
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And both are quality sires with quality representatives over vast distance range.
| OASIS DREAM (GB) | Bay colt 2000 | |
Green Desert
Bay 1983 | Danzig
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Brown 1954 | Nearco
Lady Angela | 1935
1944 | 4-r
14-c | Natalma
Bay 1957 | Native Dancer
Almahmoud | 1950
1947 | 5-f
2-d | Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage
Bay or brown 1959 | Crafty Admiral
Olympia Lou | 1948
1952 | 8-c
4-n | Petitioner
Bay 1952 | Petition
Steady Aim | 1944
1943 | 16-h
7-a | Foreign Courier
Bay 1979 | Sir Ivor
Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord
Bay 1959 | Turn-To
Somethingroyal | 1951
1952 | 1-w
2-s | Attica
Chestnut 1953 | Mr Trouble
Athenia | 1947
1943 | 13-b
8-g | Courtly Dee
Bay or brown 1968 | Never Bend
Bay 1960 | Nasrullah
Lalun | 1940
1952 | 9-c
19-b | Tulle
Bay or brown 1950 | War Admiral
Judy-Rae | 1934
1944 | 11-g
A4 | Hope
Bay 1991 | Dancing Brave
Bay 1983 | Lyphard
Bay 1969 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Goofed
Chestnut 1960 | Court Martial
Barra | 1942
1950 | 1-p
17-b | Navajo Princess
Bay 1974 | Drone
Grey 1966 | Sir Gaylord
Cap and Bells | 1959
1958 | 2-s
1-l | Olmec
Chestnut 1966 | Pago Pago
Chocolate Beau | 1960
1958 | 1-o
3-d | Bahamian
Chestnut 1985 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Bay 1960 | Nasrullah
Lalun | 1940
1952 | 9-c
19-b | Milan Mill
Bay 1962 | Princequillo
Virginia Water | 1940
1953 | 1-b
22-d | Sorbus
Bay 1975 | Busted
Bay 1963 | Crepello
Sans le Sou | 1954
1957 | 16-d
2-s | Censorship
Chestnut 1969 | Prince John
Sixpence | 1953
1951 | 14-f
19> |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 3m x 4m | | Sir Gaylord | 4m x 5m | | Never Bend | 4f x 4m | |
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 8:38pm
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I'm amused by Green Desert and Dancing Brave being in the same pedigree, as Dancing Brave prevented Green Desert from winning the 2000 Guineas.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 8:52pm
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Than we have -
| THIAMANDI (AUS) | Chestnut filly 2010 | |
Street Boss
Chestnut 2004 | Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998 | Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector
Bay 1970 | Raise a Native
Gold Digger | 1961
1962 | 8-f
13-c | Coup de Folie
Bay 1982 | Halo
Raise the Standard | 1969
1978 | 2-d
2-d | Helen Street
Bay 1982 | Troy
Bay 1976 | Petingo
La Milo | 1965
1963 | 22>
1-b | Waterway
Chestnut 1976 | Riverman
Boulevard | 1969
1968 | 10-a
1-l | Blushing Ogygian
Chestnut 1994 | Ogygian
Bay 1983 | Damascus
Bay 1964 | Sword Dancer
Kerala | 1956
1958 | 1-o
8-h | Gonfalon
Chestnut 1975 | Francis S
Grand Splendor | 1957
1962 | 1-s
16-a | Fruhlingshochzeit
Bay or brown 1984 | Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974 | Red God
Runaway Bride | 1954
1962 | 8-c
22-d | Fruhlingstag
Bay 1975 | Orsini
Revada | 1954
1966 | 14-f
1-e | Country Class
Chestnut 1999 | Woodborough
Chestnut 1993 | Woodman
Chestnut 1983 | Mr Prospector
Bay 1970 | Raise a Native
Gold Digger | 1961
1962 | 8-f
13-c | Playmate
Chestnut 1975 | Buckpasser
Intriguing | 1963
1964 | 1-s
1-s | Performing Arts
Chestnut 1987 | The Minstrel
Chestnut 1974 | Northern Dancer
Fleur | 1961
1964 | 2-d
8-f | Noble Mark
Chestnut 1971 | On Your Mark
Noble Joan | 1964
1963 | 1-l
13-e | Malahide
Chestnut 1987 | Kings Island
Chestnut 1981 | Persian Bold
Bay 1975 | Bold Lad
Relkarunner | 1964
1968 | 2-e
9-h | Gerardmer
Chestnut 1975 | Brigadier Gerard
Hants | 1968
1968 | 14-c
2-i | Hasty Miss
Chestnut 1969 | Hasty Cloud
Bay 1958 | Preciptic
Clouette | 1942
1947 | 2-e
4-p | Miss Mittens
Chestnut 1957 | Jekyll
Mittie | 1951
1933 | 2-i
14-e |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | 4m x 4m | | | | | | | |
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 11:14pm
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Is that just a study in chestnutness? Wouldn't think anything with both Woodman and Machiavellian in it would want to go more than 8-10f.
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 11:17pm
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Oh, right, found it. Winner at less than 5f.
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2013 at 2:37am
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Dang, 2m h'cap at Newmarket, and we've only got 10 horses left to run in it.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2013 at 8:49pm
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Zephyron, 5yo gelding trained by team Hawkes. By Zabeel out of Diamond Like (Danehill), granddam Tristalove (Sir Tristram), great granddam Diamond Lover and great great Granddam the legendary Eight Carat. Not only is Zephyron bred to stay, he's a blueblood. Tristalove and Diamond Lover were group 1 winners and produces multiple stakeswinners at stud. Diamond Like was only lightly races but won at listed level. So far Diamond Like has had four foals to race and they have all won in the city, including Miss Zenella (full sister to Zephyron) who finished second in the 2013 Qld Oaks. Although a 5yo, Zephron is very lightly raced. Last start he won a 1500m race at Rosehill at $31. While the odds suggest an upset, clearly it should be no surprise on his breeding. He should continue to improve as he steps up in distance. He's nommed in a 1600m race at Randwick on Saturday where he may be up against Pendolin, a horse I highlighted earlier in tis thread. Zephyron is definitely a horse to follow.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2013 at 8:52pm
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Apart from Octagonal getting 2400m does the family really stay ?
Tristalove sstayed well enough in South Australian company.
I tend to think the family is more 1200-2000m.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2013 at 8:59pm
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Absolutely a staying family. Diamond Lover produced Don Eduardo (ATC Derby). Tristalove produced Kempinsky (2nd VRC Derby). Diamond Like produced Miss Zenella (2nd Qld Oaks).
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Posted By: songline
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2013 at 10:02pm
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Why is Zephyron lightly raced though? He a $2m yearling if I recall correctly. Soundness issues?
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2013 at 7:25am
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He had an 18 month spell, so must have had a major soundness issue.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2013 at 1:38pm
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Zephyron is a dual acceptor for Saturday. I always consider this is a positive factor.
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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2013 at 4:00pm
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Zanbagh by Berbardini sire of 7 winners (20%) 2400 - 2500M. And a few at much longer trips in Europe. Dam Wild Iris won an AJC Oaks 2400M. By Spectrum who has sired many staying winners in Europe.
Should handle the VRC Oaks trip on her ear.
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 7:55am
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In the racing post database, most of bernadini's winners are 7-9f. However, that only includes a few of his progeny. Of the very few that have attempted it, the record is good at 12 & 14f. 3-8 at 12-13f, and 1-2 at 16+f. Two of those 4 wins were by Bordoni, an ordinary handicapper, descended from Allez France (!) and having Sadlers Wells as damsire.
If Bernardini has a good record at 12+f in Australia, it looks like a case of in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 7:55am
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2013 at 12:06pm
| | ARANMORE (NZ) | Bay colt 2010 | |
O'Reilly
Brown 1993 | Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best
Bay 1975 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Sex Appeal
Chestnut 1970 | Buckpasser
Best in Show | 1963
1965 | 1-s
8-f | Mill Princess
Bay 1977 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Milan Mill | 1960
1962 | 19-b
22-d | Irish Lass
Bay 1962 | Sayajirao
Scollata | 1944
1952 | 3-n
8-c | Courtza
Bay 1986 | Pompeii Court
Bay 1977 | Tell
Bay 1966 | Round Table
Nas-Mahal | 1954
1959 | 2-f
2-f | Port Damascus
Bay 1971 | Damascus
Paris Pike | 1964
1957 | 8-h
1-p | Hunza
Brown 1970 | Pakistan
Chestnut 1958 | Palestine
Tambara | 1947
1947 | 3-e
6-d | Chatty Lady
Bay 1961 | Chatsworth
Glamin | 1950
1952 | 21-a
13-b | Fleece
Bay 2002 | Daylami
Grey 1994 | Doyoun
Bay 1985 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Milan Mill | 1960
1962 | 19-b
22-d | Dumka
Bay 1971 | Kashmir
Faizebad | 1963
1962 | 9-c
21-a | Daltawa
Grey 1989 | Miswaki
Chestnut 1978 | Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal | 1970
1971 | 13-c
16-g | Damana
Grey 1981 | Crystal Palace
Denia | 1974
1973 | 10-e
9-e | Gold Dodger
Bay or brown 1994 | Slew o' Gold
Bay 1980 | Seattle Slew
Bay or brown 1974 | Bold Reasoning
My Charmer | 1968
1969 | 1-k
13-c | Alluvial
Chestnut 1969 | Buckpasser
Bayou | 1963
1954 | 1-s
9-f | Brooklyn's Dance
Bay or brown 1988 | Shirley Heights
Bay 1975 | Mill Reef
Hardiemma | 1968
1969 | 22-d
1-l | Vallee Dansante
Bay 1981 | Lyphard
Green Valley | 1969
1967 | 17-b
16-c |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Buckpasser | 5f x 5f | | Mill Reef | 4f x 4m,5m | | | | |
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2013 at 1:22pm
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Despite being by Mt Prospector, Miswaki appears in quite a few staying pedigrees.
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2013 at 1:24pm
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Mr
Quite a few of those Miswakis will be via being the sire of Urban Sea, I suppose.
Urban Sea getting a lot of her stamina via Allegretta.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2013 at 9:15pm
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Here's an odd one - Shamexpress! By O'Reilly out of a Volksraad mare and granddam by Grosvenor. Granddam had one foal to race in Australia and it won over 2000m. Great granddam only had two to race, one won over 2400m, the other also ran creditably at 2400m. So far Shamexpress has been tried three times at 1400m and has failed each time. Go figure.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2013 at 11:21am
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Packing Empire - by High Chaparral out of a Kaapstad mare and granddam by Sound Reason. Half brother to Prince Dande Lion (3 wins all at 2400m, 4th Sydney Cup 3200m). So far Packing Empire has only won his maiden (2400m). Entered in Sandown Cup 3200m on Saturday. May lack the class of his opposition but should stay the trip. May be a good place bet.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2013 at 11:44am
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Star Of Tralee - by Zabeel out of Rose Of Tralee (by Sadlers Wells). Rose Of Tralee won over 2800m in Sydney. Star Of Tralee is a half sister to Serenade Rose (won VRC and ATC Oaks) and Irish Rhapsody (won at 2400m). Great staying pedigree, the only problem is Star Of Tralee doesn't seem to possess much ability. Either that or David Hayes is unable to produce it. Also goes around in the Sandown Cup on Saturday. Will stay the trip but may need 4200m. Perhaps a jumping career?
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 3:57pm
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Cry Havoc. By noted sire of stayers, Savabeel out of a Redoutes Choice mare. Maternal grandsire is another noted staying influence in Star Way. Classy stayers in the family include Dupain (Brisbane Cup) and Tristanagh (VRC Oaks). Been leading and winning in sprint races, but bred to go much further. Definitely one to keep an eye on. Going around in race 4 at Kensington tomorrow.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 1:24pm
| BUSH PILOT (AUS) | Bay filly 2010 | |
Henrythenavigator
Bay or brown 2005 | Kingmambo
Bay 1990 | Mr Prospector
Bay 1970 | Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961 | Native Dancer
Raise You | 1950
1946 | 5-f
8-f | Gold Digger
Bay 1962 | Nashua
Sequence | 1952
1946 | 3-m
13-c | Miesque
Bay 1984 | Nureyev
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Special | 1961
1969 | 2-d
5-h | Pasadoble
Bay 1979 | Prove Out
Santa Quilla | 1969
1970 | 4-c
20> | Sequoyah
Bay 1998 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Brigid
Chestnut 1991 | Irish River
Chestnut 1976 | Riverman
Irish Star | 1969
1960 | 10-a
1-w | Luv Luvin'
Chestnut 1977 | Raise a Native
Ringing Bells | 1961
1971 | 8-f
9-b | Bush Honey
Brown 1999 | Woodman
Chestnut 1983 | Mr Prospector
Bay 1970 | Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961 | Native Dancer
Raise You | 1950
1946 | 5-f
8-f | Gold Digger
Bay 1962 | Nashua
Sequence | 1952
1946 | 3-m
13-c | Playmate
Chestnut 1975 | Buckpasser
Bay 1963 | Tom Fool
Busanda | 1949
1947 | 3-j
1-s | Intriguing
Chestnut 1964 | Swaps
Glamour | 1952
1953 | A4
1-s | Saving
Brown 1981 | Pevero
Bay 1975 | Busted
Bay 1963 | Crepello
Sans le Sou | 1954
1957 | 16-d
2-s | Caprera
Bay 1967 | Abernant
Primula | 1946
1960 | 9-c
6-e | Chubb
Bay 1966 | Faux Tirage
Bay 1946 | Big Game
Commotion | 1939
1938 | 6-e
9-c | Key
Bay 1958 | Fair's Fair
Firstloch | 1943
1950 | 6-e
1-b |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Raise a Native | 4m,5f x 4m | | Mr Prospector | 3m x 3m | | Northern Dancer | 5m,4m x | | | | | Special | 5m,5f x | | | | | | | |
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Posted By: Gerald
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2013 at 11:28pm
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Here's a fun one.
Apollo Maverick has Mr Prospector and Storm Cat and Nureyev and Riverman in its pedigree, yet still manages to win a 2m 4 and a half furlong Group 1 race in Japan by 8 lengths.
Admittedly, Mr Prospector is via Kingmambo, who is a force for stamina, and Nureyev is via Theatrical.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/apollo+maverick" rel="nofollow - http://www.pedigreequery.com/apollo+maverick
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2013 at 12:36pm
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Kiss Me Ketut. By Danroad out of a Sadlers Wells mare. Stepping up to 1800m on Thursday.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2013 at 12:42pm
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Prince Jester. By Golan. Granddam by Sadlers Wells. In the same family as Fatal Attraction (WA Oaks). Entered Thursday over 1800m.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2014 at 7:18am
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5yo mare Roxanne Of Sydney trained by Colin Alderson. By Zabeel out of an Entrepreneur mare. Granddam by Marscay. in the same family as Hobart Cup winner Zacielo. Not a blueblood and done nothing much to date. However didn't start racing until she was a 4yo. Expect improvement as she steps up in distance, fitness and race experience. Might pay to follow.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2014 at 1:26pm
| DIRETTO (NZ) | Brown colt 2010 | |
Pentire
Bay 1992 | Be My Guest
Chestnut 1974 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Brown 1954 | Nearco
Lady Angela | 1935
1944 | 4-r
14-c | Natalma
Bay 1957 | Native Dancer
Almahmoud | 1950
1947 | 5-f
2-d | What a Treat
Bay or brown 1962 | Tudor Minstrel
Brown 1944 | Owen Tudor
Sansonnet | 1938
1933 | 10-b
9-c | Rare Treat
Chestnut 1952 | Stymie
Rare Perfume | 1941
1947 | 1-h
8-c | Gull Nook
Bay 1983 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Bay 1960 | Nasrullah
Lalun | 1940
1952 | 9-c
19-b | Milan Mill
Bay 1962 | Princequillo
Virginia Water | 1940
1953 | 1-b
22-d | Bempton
Bay 1976 | Blakeney
Bay 1966 | Hethersett
Windmill Girl | 1959
1961 | 21-a
20-c | Hardiemma
Bay 1969 | Hardicanute
Grand Cross | 1962
1952 | 3-j
1-l | In the Midnight
Brown 2000 | Quest for Fame
Bay or brown 1987 | Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974 | Red God
Runaway Bride | 1954
1962 | 8-c
22-d | I Will Follow
Bay 1975 | Herbager
Where You Lead | 1956
1970 | 16-c
14-f | Aryenne
Bay 1977 | Green Dancer
Bay 1972 | Nijinsky
Green Valley | 1967
1967 | 8-f
16-c | Americaine
Chestnut 1968 | Cambremont
Alora | 1962
1954 | 1-t
4-i | Tupelo Honey
Bay 1982 | Vice Regal
Brown 1973 | Bismark
Bay 1967 | Relic
Gun Play | 1945
1959 | 8-f
13-c | Kind Regards
Brown 1966 | Le Filou
Waft | 1946
1956 | 16-c
3-e | Mary Poppins
Bay 1963 | Fair's Fair
Chestnut 1943 | Fair Trial
Fairy Godmother | 1932
1929 | 9-c
6-e | Rag
Brown 1952 | Lucky Bag
Waltzing Matilda | 1944
1939 | 9-c
2-b |
This gelding just had a gut buster over the clearly unsuitable 1250m at Canterbury. Hopefully he can live up to his pedigree. Queensland Derby is an obvious target even this far out. Chris Waller does not have a greta record with these types that he has produced from the get go.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2014 at 1:30pm
Bonfield wrote:
5yo mare Roxanne Of Sydney trained by Colin Alderson. By Zabeel out of an Entrepreneur mare. Granddam by Marscay. in the same family as Hobart Cup winner Zacielo. Not a blueblood and done nothing much to date. However didn't start racing until she was a 4yo. Expect improvement as she steps up in distance, fitness and race experience. Might pay to follow. |
ROXANNE OF SYDNEY (NZ) | Bay filly 2008 | |
Zabeel
Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram
Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor
Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord
Bay 1959 | Turn-To
Somethingroyal | 1951
1952 | 1-w
2-s | Attica
Chestnut 1953 | Mr Trouble
Athenia | 1947
1943 | 13-b
8-g | Isolt
Bay 1961 | Round Table
Bay 1954 | Princequillo
Knight's Daughter | 1940
1941 | 1-b
2-f | All My Eye
Chestnut 1954 | My Babu
All Moonshine | 1945
1941 | 1-w
6-e | Lady Giselle
Bay 1982 | Nureyev
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Special
Bay 1969 | Forli
Thong | 1963
1964 | 3-b
5-h | Valderna
Bay 1972 | Val de Loir
Bay 1959 | Vieux Manoir
Vali | 1947
1954 | 10-e
5-h | Derna
Bay 1961 | Sunny Boy
Miss Barberie | 1944
1950 | 16-a
16-c | Foxette
Chestnut 2000 | Entrepreneur
Bay 1994 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Exclusive Order
Chestnut 1979 | Exclusive Native
Chestnut 1965 | Raise a Native
Exclusive | 1961
1953 | 8-f
10-a | Bonavista
Bay 1964 | Dead Ahead
Ribotina | 1959
1960 | 4-m
6-e | Blucielo
Chestnut 1992 | Marscay
Chestnut 1979 | Biscay
Chestnut 1965 | Star Kingdom
Magic Symbol | 1946
1956 | 1-g
2-o | Heart of Market
Bay 1967 | To Market
Accroche Coeur | 1948
1959 | 10-a
4-m | Dancer's Glory
Bay 1985 | Danzatore
Bay 1980 | Northern Dancer
Shake a Leg | 1961
1970 | 2-d
2-f | Taiona
Brown 1972 | Sovereign Edition
Vickyjoy | 1962
1965 | 13-a
7-d |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 4m,5m | | Special | 4m x 5f |
Not a bad family. Gurners Lane and Sovereign Red come to mind.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 12:49pm
WHARTON (AUS) | Bay colt 2010 | |
New Approach
Chestnut 2005 | Galileo
Bay 1998 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989 | Miswaki
Chestnut 1978 | Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal | 1970
1971 | 13-c
16-g | Allegretta
Chestnut 1978 | Lombard
Anatevka | 1967
1969 | 1-d
9-h | Park Express
Bay or brown 1983 | Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975 | Lorenzaccio
Chestnut 1965 | Klairon
Phoenissa | 1952
1951 | 1-w
5-h | Helen Nichols
Chestnut 1966 | Martial
Quaker Girl | 1957
1961 | 2-e
1-m | Matcher
Brown 1966 | Match
Brown 1958 | Tantieme
Relance | 1947
1952 | 20-a
16-g | Lachine
Bay 1960 | Grey Sovereign
Loved One | 1948
1947 | 6-f
19-b | Ivy League
Bay 1999 | Doyoun
Bay 1985 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Bay 1960 | Nasrullah
Lalun | 1940
1952 | 9-c
19-b | Milan Mill
Bay 1962 | Princequillo
Virginia Water | 1940
1953 | 1-b
22-d | Dumka
Bay 1971 | Kashmir
Bay or brown 1963 | Tudor Melody
Queen of Speed | 1956
1950 | 1-n
9-c | Faizebad
Bay or brown 1962 | Prince Taj
Floralie | 1954
1954 | 9-c
21-a | Hedera
Chestnut 1992 | Woodman
Chestnut 1983 | Mr Prospector
Bay 1970 | Raise a Native
Gold Digger | 1961
1962 | 8-f
13-c | Playmate
Chestnut 1975 | Buckpasser
Intriguing | 1963
1964 | 1-s
1-s | Ivrea
Bay 1987 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge | 1961
1975 | 2-d
5-h | Ivy
Bay 1981 | Sir Ivor
Durga | 1965
1966 | 8-g
1-l |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Sadler's Wells | 3m x 4f | | Mr Prospector | 5m x 4m |
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Posted By: Shammy Davis
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 3:47pm
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JAZIL (SEEKING THE GOLD x BETTER THAN HONOUR) standing in VEN in 2014. Stayers!
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Posted By: Nostradamus II
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 5:44pm
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One of my horses to follow. Wrote this December 2013:
Duquesa (4m) Encosta De Lago out of Ethereal by Rhythm out of Romanee Conti by Sir Tristram out of Richebourg by Vice Regal.
11 Dec. 2013 Ellerslie 2200m Mdn Awkward jump, settled back, made run turn and went to lead straight, too classy. Very impressive. Duquesa has obviously inherited the family ability being out of that champion race mare Ethereal, winner of the G1 The BMW, Melbourne Cup, Caulfield Cup, Queensland Oaks. Previous runs were over lesser ground so step up in distance suited and looks a special.
Encosta De Lago is by a son of Northern Dancer out of Shoal Creek by Star Way out of Rolls by Mr Prospector out of Grand Luxe by Sir Ivor out of Fanfreluche by Northern Dancer.
Ethereal is by Rhythm (by Mr Prospector out of Dance Number by Northern Dancer) out of Romanee Conti by Sir Ivor's son Sir Tristram. What a meshing of superior sex balanced genes involving these three breed shaping stallions, Northern Dancer, Mr Prospector and Sir Ivor.
There are a 18 lines of breed shaping mare Selene in behind through sons and daughters involving Hyperion, Sickle, Pharamond II, New Moon and All Moonshine. There are also 22 lines of Gainsborough and 30 lines of Teddy who are from the same female family and have similar pedigrees overall
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 6:57pm
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hmm, Racing Post covers Chile, but not Venezuela.
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 7:01pm
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Seems he's got the senorita gig courtesy of Comediante.
Champion 3yo in Venezuela.
a los 3 años, Caballo del Año y Campeón Tresañero en 2012, 1º Clásico Internacional Simón Bolívar (G1), Clásico Internacional Copa de Oro de Venezuela (G1), Copa My Own Business, 2º Clásico República Bolivariana de Venezuela (G1), Copa Invitacional del Caribe, 3º Clásico Cría Nacional (G1); a los 4 años, 1º Clásico Día del Ejército (G2), Copa Remarkable News, 2º Clásico Presidente de la República (G1), Clásico José María Vargas (G2), Copa Arzak.
Caballo del Año y Campeón Tresañero en 2012 en Venezuela.
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 7:09pm
I subscribe to caballos delmundo on youtube but it wasn't there - they should rename it. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-OrDe4SXs
Strung out like washing.
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Posted By: Pihanga
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2014 at 7:01am
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try this yearling bred from a Traditionally (damsire of 29 winners of $1.23m from 60 runners) daughter of Pihanga, I'm offering him for private sale at $50k, he's been gelded, has a huge overstep and a great walk, will grow to 16.2hh and is shown here photographed this week where he is being broken in by shane hapeta, 15k from karaka
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Its another of those years where this race is either very open or a slaughter for an import. Thank god for my Excelida get out place bet at $12.00 on Derby day
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2014 at 8:29am
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Fiddler is looking for a horse. Would you mind if he sent him jumping?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2014 at 1:06pm
Tavistock (NZ)
Bay 2005 | Montjeu
Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Floripedes
Bay 1985 | Top Ville
Bay 1976 | High Top
Sega Ville | 1969
1968 | 11-a
8-i | Toute Cy
Bay 1979 | Tennyson
Adele Toumignon | 1970
1971 | 1-t
1-u | Upstage
Bay 1998 | Quest for Fame
Bay or brown 1987 | Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom
I Will Follow | 1974
1975 | 22-d
14-f | Aryenne
Bay 1977 | Green Dancer
Americaine | 1972
1968 | 16-c
4-i | Pedestal
Chestnut 1986 | High Line
Chestnut 1966 | High Hat
Time Call | 1957
1955 | 2-o
5-e | Mrs Moss
Chestnut 1969 | Reform
Golden Plate | 1964
1964 | 5-h
14-b | Penny Bright (NZ)
Brown 2006 | Pentire
Bay 1992 | Be My Guest
Chestnut 1974 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | What a Treat
Bay or brown 1962 | Tudor Minstrel
Rare Treat | 1944
1952 | 9-c
8-c | Gull Nook
Bay 1983 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Milan Mill | 1960
1962 | 19-b
22-d | Bempton
Bay 1976 | Blakeney
Hardiemma | 1966
1969 | 20-c
1-l | Bright Beauty
Brown 1998 | O'Reilly
Brown 1993 | Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best
Mill Princess | 1975
1977 | 8-f
8-c | Courtza
Bay 1986 | Pompeii Court
Hunza | 1977
1970 | 1-p
13-b | Splash of Beauty
Chestnut 1990 | Luskin Star
Chestnut 1974 | Kaoru Star
Promising | 1965
1968 | 31>
2-e | Vanotrice
Bay 1980 | Vain
Toltrice | 1966
1969 | A10
43> |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 4m | | | | | | | |
Just ran behind the placings in the 900m 2yo scamper at Sandown.
Bound to improve over further. Oaks filly.
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2014 at 2:30pm
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Phountzi is down on the Pedigree Query site as Mrs Moss's 1986 foal. I suppose Pedigree Query is wrong what with anyone being able to add to it.
Phountzi destroyed due to savaging Stud Master March 2002.  Got another one to add to my list of unnatural stallion deaths - got four of them, without looking for them.
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2014 at 2:33pm
Oh, Pedestal is now appearing instead of Phountzi. Must be some computer bug. 
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 12:52pm
djebel wrote:
Tavistock (NZ)
Bay 2005 | Montjeu
Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Floripedes
Bay 1985 | Top Ville
Bay 1976 | High Top
Sega Ville | 1969
1968 | 11-a
8-i | Toute Cy
Bay 1979 | Tennyson
Adele Toumignon | 1970
1971 | 1-t
1-u | Upstage
Bay 1998 | Quest for Fame
Bay or brown 1987 | Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom
I Will Follow | 1974
1975 | 22-d
14-f | Aryenne
Bay 1977 | Green Dancer
Americaine | 1972
1968 | 16-c
4-i | Pedestal
Chestnut 1986 | High Line
Chestnut 1966 | High Hat
Time Call | 1957
1955 | 2-o
5-e | Mrs Moss
Chestnut 1969 | Reform
Golden Plate | 1964
1964 | 5-h
14-b | Penny Bright (NZ)
Brown 2006 | Pentire
Bay 1992 | Be My Guest
Chestnut 1974 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | What a Treat
Bay or brown 1962 | Tudor Minstrel
Rare Treat | 1944
1952 | 9-c
8-c | Gull Nook
Bay 1983 | Mill Reef
Bay 1968 | Never Bend
Milan Mill | 1960
1962 | 19-b
22-d | Bempton
Bay 1976 | Blakeney
Hardiemma | 1966
1969 | 20-c
1-l | Bright Beauty
Brown 1998 | O'Reilly
Brown 1993 | Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best
Mill Princess | 1975
1977 | 8-f
8-c | Courtza
Bay 1986 | Pompeii Court
Hunza | 1977
1970 | 1-p
13-b | Splash of Beauty
Chestnut 1990 | Luskin Star
Chestnut 1974 | Kaoru Star
Promising | 1965
1968 | 31>
2-e | Vanotrice
Bay 1980 | Vain
Toltrice | 1966
1969 | A10
43> |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 4m | | | | | | | |
Just ran behind the placings in the 900m 2yo scamper at Sandown.
Bound to improve over further. Oaks filly.
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Does anybody know Paul Rocke the trainer of this filly ?
He had her nominated for a listed 1200m at Flemington on Saturday but chose instead to run her over a 1000m at Cranbourne on Friday night.
Despite the massive class difference I would have preferred to see her in the Flemington race.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2014 at 12:23pm
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Forever Loved. 3YO filly by High Chaparral. On the mare's side traces back to Eight Carat, through Diamond Lover, Tristalove and Diamond Like. Half sister to Zephyron (won MV 2000m) and Miss Zenella (2nd Qld Oaks). In a 1600m race at Randwick. Anyone know if she's heading for the Oaks?
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Posted By: SYT
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2014 at 12:24pm
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Yes she is on an Oaks path Bonfield.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2014 at 4:27pm
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I should have checked the markets. She's $17 with IAS.
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Posted By: Fremz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2014 at 7:47pm
How about Veloce Forte that debuted for the O'Shea stable on Monday at Kembla.
2yo Filly by High Chap out of a Zabeel mare, half too Gypsy Diamond who is by Not a Single Doubt a noted speed sire.... If she doesn't a trip I'll give it away
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2014 at 7:56pm
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You bet! I like these 'stayers' able to win over sprint distance early in career. Very promising filly. Bet they are already thinking about winning an Oaks next year.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2014 at 12:08pm
Authorized
Bay 2004 | Montjeu
Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Floripedes
Bay 1985 | Top Ville
Bay 1976 | High Top
Sega Ville | 1969
1968 | 11-a
8-i | Toute Cy
Bay 1979 | Tennyson
Adele Toumignon | 1970
1971 | 1-t
1-u | Funsie
Bay or brown 1999 | Saumarez
Bay or brown 1987 | Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom
I Will Follow | 1974
1975 | 22-d
14-f | Fiesta Fun
Brown 1978 | Welsh Pageant
Antigua | 1966
1958 | 1-s
16-a | Vallee Dansante
Bay 1981 | Lyphard
Bay 1969 | Northern Dancer
Goofed | 1961
1960 | 2-d
17-b | Green Valley
Bay or brown 1967 | Val de Loir
Sly Pola | 1959
1957 | 5-h
16-c | Secret Women's Biz
Bay 2004 | Diatribe
Bay 1996 | Brief Truce
Bay 1989 | Irish River
Chestnut 1976 | Riverman
Irish Star | 1969
1960 | 10-a
1-w | Falafel
Bay 1973 | Northern Dancer
Queen's Statute | 1961
1954 | 2-d
22-b | Gabbing Gloria
Bay 1986 | Desert Wine
Bay 1980 | Damascus
Anne Campbell | 1964
1973 | 8-h
16-g | You're My Lady
Bay 1980 | Roberto
Spring Adieu | 1969
1974 | 12-c
2-d | Confidential Miss
Bay 1993 | Rivotious
Bay 1983 | Riverman
Bay 1969 | Never Bend
River Lady | 1960
1963 | 19-b
10-a | Glorious Song
Bay 1976 | Halo
Ballade | 1969
1972 | 2-d
12-c | Secret Mistress
Bay 1982 | Yeats
Bay 1976 | Nijinsky
Lisadell | 1967
1971 | 8-f
5-h | Lavinia
Chestnut 1975 | St Paddy
Andiamo | 1957
1958 | 14-c
6-b |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m,5m x 5f | | Riverman | x 5m,4m |
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Posted By: Superb
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2014 at 12:19pm
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Good call on Tear Gas earlier in this thread!
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2014 at 1:00pm
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Proxy should stay 2 miles quite easily, by the time he's a 4yo.
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Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 10:56am
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Gai thread gone.
Three-year-olds. BREMNER
B c Manduro - Maggie Lou.
Improved in all three outings last season, third over seven on first of them at York then won next two, seven furlong maiden at Ayr then mile novice at Ayr in September by two and three quarter lengths from Illuminating Dream and rated 95. Trained by Kevin Ryan last season, yet to race for present yard.
"I'm still getting a line on him but his recent work on the polytrack was very good then not so good when he got on the Limekilns in his latest bit. I will be taking him to work at Great Leighs because I want him to sparkle again. Possible he might be better for gelding and could be better in blinkers but I think we'll see the best of him on the track. I will up him in trip but how much I don't yet know but will probably start at nine or ten furlongs. There is the Investec Derby Trial at Epsom on April 23 which might be suitable. The aim is to run at Royal Ascot then go to Australia as he's owned by a syndicate headed by Gai Waterhouse."
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2014 at 1:00pm
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Could have sworn I posted a comment on Savage Coup.
We wonder why our stayers are no good when they are campaigned like this filly is.
At least tonight she will get a bog track.
| SAVAGE COUP (NZ) | Brown filly 2011 | |
Savabeel
Brown 2001 | Zabeel
Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram
Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor
Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord
Attica | 1959
1953 | 2-s
8-g | Isolt
Bay 1961 | Round Table
All My Eye | 1954
1954 | 2-f
6-e | Lady Giselle
Bay 1982 | Nureyev
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Special | 1961
1969 | 2-d
5-h | Valderna
Bay 1972 | Val de Loir
Derna | 1959
1961 | 5-h
16-c | Savannah Success
Brown 1995 | Success Express
Bay 1985 | Hold Your Peace
Bay 1969 | Speak John
Blue Moon | 1958
1948 | 1-l
12-b | Au Printemps
Bay 1979 | Dancing Champ
Lorgnette | 1972
1964 | 4-r
17-b | Alma Mater
Brown 1988 | Semipalatinsk
Bay 1978 | Nodouble
School Board | 1965
1968 | A1
23-b | Sweetie
Brown 1981 | Without Fear
Virginia | 1967
1972 | 4-c
1-o | Justine Coup
Bay 2000 | Entrepreneur
Bay 1994 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Exclusive Order
Chestnut 1979 | Exclusive Native
Chestnut 1965 | Raise a Native
Exclusive | 1961
1953 | 8-f
10-a | Bonavista
Bay 1964 | Dead Ahead
Ribotina | 1959
1960 | 4-m
6-e | Royal Sirt
Chestnut 1993 | Sir Tristram
Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor
Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord
Attica | 1959
1953 | 2-s
8-g | Isolt
Bay 1961 | Round Table
All My Eye | 1954
1954 | 2-f
6-e | Royal Regatta
Chestnut 1979 | Sea Anchor
Chestnut 1972 | Alcide
Anchor | 1955
1966 | 2-f
11-d | Shelly Burford
Bay 1965 | Pakistan
Nighella | 1958
1957 | 6-d
28> |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Sir Tristram | 3m x 3f | | Northern Dancer | 5m x 4m | | Special | 5m x 5f |
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2014 at 2:35pm
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3yo filly High Harmony, trained by Guy Walter. By High Chaparral out of a Danske mare, with granddam by Straight Strike. Full sister to Hippopus (won VRC St Leger 2800m). Stepping up to 2000m today in the Adrian Knox Stakes. On face value she's outclassed, but may improve sharply over the trip and in the wet.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 1:47pm
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Lucia Valentina. 3yo filly trained by Kris Lees. By Savabeel out of Montjeu mare. Granddam by Star Way.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 May 2014 at 2:53pm
SLEEK BRAHMA (NZ) | Bay filly 2008 | |
Darci Brahma
Bay 2002 | Danehill
Bay 1986 | Danzig
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner | 1959
1952 | 4-n
7-a | Razyana
Bay 1981 | His Majesty
Bay 1968 | Ribot
Flower Bowl | 1952
1952 | 4-l
4-d | Spring Adieu
Bay 1974 | Buckpasser
Natalma | 1963
1957 | 1-s
2-d | Grand Echezeaux
Brown 1996 | Zabeel
Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram
Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor
Isolt | 1965
1961 | 8-g
6-e | Lady Giselle
Bay 1982 | Nureyev
Valderna | 1977
1972 | 5-h
16-c | Richebourg
Brown 1980 | Vice Regal
Brown 1973 | Bismark
Kind Regards | 1967
1966 | 13-c
3-e | Mary Mead
Bay 1964 | Wilkes
Easter Rock | 1952
1957 | 13-c
16> | Colourship
Bay 2001 | Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974 | Red God
Chestnut 1954 | Nasrullah
Spring Run | 1940
1948 | 9-c
8-c | Runaway Bride
Bay 1962 | Wild Risk
Aimee | 1940
1957 | 3-f
22-d | I Will Follow
Bay 1975 | Herbager
Bay 1956 | Vandale
Flagette | 1943
1951 | 3-c
16-c | Where You Lead
Chestnut 1970 | Raise a Native
Noblesse | 1961
1960 | 8-f
14-f | Up Anchor
Bay 1989 | Slip Anchor
Bay 1982 | Shirley Heights
Bay 1975 | Mill Reef
Hardiemma | 1968
1969 | 22-d
1-l | Sayonara
Bay 1965 | Birkhahn
Suleika | 1945
1954 | 1-j
16-c | Pageantry
Bay 1980 | Welsh Pageant
Bay 1966 | Tudor Melody
Picture Light | 1956
1954 | 1-n
1-s | Norfolk Light
Bay 1972 | Blakeney
Strong Light | 1966
1967 | 20-c
3-e |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Natalma | 5m,5f x |
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 03 May 2014 at 2:11pm
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Leebaz. By Zabeel and half brother to Polish Knight (2nd ATC Derby).
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 3:52pm
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Amexed. By Pentire out of a Danasinga mare. Granddam by Shy Rambler. Half brother to Danahere (won 2400m) and Digital Fortress (4th VRC Derby). Running in Rough Habit Plate on Saturday over 2000m. In form trainer Tony Gollan.
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 10:23pm
Herllo,
I think "Colour Ship" has some interesting 'Connections' further down her ped.
Blushing Groom/Mill Reef are tracing to the FS Black Ray/Black
Gem by Black Jester. Up Anchor by Slip Anchor o/o Sayonara from tze Schwarzgold Family, the taprootmare in Germany is Schwarze Kutte by Black Jester! Shirley Heights is 5 x 5 to Bimelech/Ardan respectivly
La Troienne and her 3/4 relative Adargatis, their Granddam Doxa is a FS of Absurdity. Just to make things even more interesting Welsh Pageant traces via Picture Play to Absurdity.
Their is another intriguing similarity in „Slip Anchors“ pedigree.
Black Ray/Black Gem FS (by Black Jester, dam Absurdity!) – Lady Brilliant (Sundridge) - Our Lassie (Ayrshire) – Yours (Melton), 4th Dam of Mill Reef
Bramouse,is the dam of Birkhahn.If you compare the peds of Bramouse (by Cappiello) and Picture Play (by Donatello), Peregrine (Granddam of Bramouse) and Amuse (Dam of Picture Play) they are very similar bred, both mares carrying the same Phalaris/Sunstar/Melton pattern in their damline + Donatello/Cappiello (Pretty Polly, Fam. 14).
best regards from Germany,
Ticino
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Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 10:28pm
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Thanks for the info on Colourship, I actually own Sleek Brahma - lovely mare with ability but niggling issues. She will be off to stud this year I'd say.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 3:10pm
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Rezoned. 3yo filly trained by Robert Smerdon. By Zabeel out of a Flying Spur mare. Stepped up to 2000m in the Australasian Oaks last start and would have at least finished just behind placegetters if had gotten a clear run. Up to 2500m on Saturday.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 May 2014 at 3:13pm
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Many here would remember Blue Denim...........
| CARCASSONNE (AUS) | Bay filly 2010 | |
Testa Rossa
Bay 1996 | Perugino
Bay or brown 1991 | Danzig
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner | 1959
1952 | 4-n
7-a | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Bay 1968 | Hail to Reason
Lalun | 1958
1952 | 4-n
19-b | Special
Bay 1969 | Forli
Thong | 1963
1964 | 3-b
5-h | Bo Dapper
Bay 1985 | Sir Dapper
Bay 1980 | Vain
Chestnut 1966 | Wilkes
Elated | 1952
1957 | 13-c
A10 | Sikri
Bay 1967 | Golden Plume
Miss Sikri | 1960
1963 | 19-b
C25 | Bodega
Bay 1973 | Without Fear
Bay 1967 | Baldric
Never Too Late | 1961
1957 | 13-c
4-c | Salon
Brown 1964 | Fortino
Soiree | 1959
1953 | 4-r
1-w | Chateau Marmont
Bay 1998 | Zabeel
Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram
Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor
Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord
Attica | 1959
1953 | 2-s
8-g | Isolt
Bay 1961 | Round Table
All My Eye | 1954
1954 | 2-f
6-e | Lady Giselle
Bay 1982 | Nureyev
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Special | 1961
1969 | 2-d
5-h | Valderna
Bay 1972 | Val de Loir
Derna | 1959
1961 | 5-h
16-c | Blue Music
Bay 1986 | Western Symphony
Bay 1981 | Nijinsky
Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer
Flaming Page | 1961
1959 | 2-d
8-f | Millicent
Bay 1969 | Cornish Prince
Milan Mill | 1962
1962 | 1-s
22-d | Blue Denim
Bay 1975 | A Chara
Bay 1966 | Worden
Cannon Ball | 1949
1959 | 13-c
3-o | Blue Carlyle
Bay 1969 | Crest of the Wave
Delph Blue | 1961
1961 | 1-e
14-e |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 5m,5m | | Special | 4f x 5m | | | | |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 3:11pm
| | MERCI CHERIE (NZ) | Bay filly 2010 | |
Sir Percy
Bay 2003 | Mark of Esteem
Bay 1993 | Darshaan
Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights
Bay 1975 | Mill Reef
Hardiemma | 1968
1969 | 22-d
1-l | Delsy
Brown 1972 | Abdos
Kelty | 1959
1965 | 1-e
13-c | Homage
Bay 1989 | Ajdal
Bay 1984 | Northern Dancer
Native Partner | 1961
1966 | 2-d
7> | Home Love
Bay 1976 | Vaguely Noble
Homespun | 1965
1969 | 1-d
17-b | Percy's Lass
Bay or brown 1984 | Blakeney
Bay 1966 | Hethersett
Bay 1959 | Hugh Lupus
Bride Elect | 1952
1952 | 19>
21-a | Windmill Girl
Bay 1961 | Hornbeam
Chorus Beauty | 1953
1952 | 1-p
20-c | Laughing Girl
Bay 1973 | Sassafras
Bay 1967 | Sheshoon
Ruta | 1956
1960 | 14-a
8-c | Violetta
Bay 1958 | Pinza
Urshalim | 1950
1951 | 3-i
3-c | Menaka
Bay 2005 | Montjeu
Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer
Bay 1961 | Nearctic
Natalma | 1954
1957 | 14-c
2-d | Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975 | Bold Reason
Special | 1968
1969 | 19-b
5-h | Floripedes
Bay 1985 | Top Ville
Bay 1976 | High Top
Sega Ville | 1969
1968 | 11-a
8-i | Toute Cy
Bay 1979 | Tennyson
Adele Toumignon | 1970
1971 | 1-t
1-u | Daralimara
Bay 1999 | Valanour
Bay 1992 | Lomond
Bay 1980 | Northern Dancer
My Charmer | 1961
1969 | 2-d
13-c | Vearia
Bay 1985 | Mill Reef
Val Divine | 1968
1971 | 22-d
4-n | Daralinsha
Bay 1984 | Empery
Bay 1973 | Vaguely Noble
Pamplona | 1965
1956 | 1-d
2-s | Darazina
Bay 1979 | Labus
Djebellina | 1971
1965 | 13-c
1-e |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Mill Reef | 5m x 5f | | Northern Dancer | 5m x 4m,5m | | Vaguely Noble | 5f x 5m |
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 6:02pm
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Darci Magic. 3yo gelding trained by Bede Murray. By Darci Brahma out of an imported mare by Sadlers Wells. Only raced up to 1600m so far and 2 starts back won easily over that distance at Warwick Farm. Failed last start in Brisbane, but back to Rosehill and up to 1900m tomorrow. If he hasn't trained off we will see how good he is.
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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 9:20pm
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Noob question - is La Amistad (Makybe Diva half sister) actually bred to stay?
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 9:52pm
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Clearly there is staying blood in La Amistad's pedigree through Makybe Diva, however being by Redoutes Choice she isn't bred to be a died in the wool stayer - more middle distance. However going by her form to date I'm sure she's effective up to at least 2600m. Although MD won over 3200m, she was very effective over a middle distance too.
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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 09 May 2014 at 11:17pm
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Makybe was able to win at a lot shorter than 2000, yet La Amistad ist seen to. Asking if- the Redoubt's blood line plug on the staying side?
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 10 May 2014 at 2:50pm
Dizzy wrote:
Makybe was able to win at a lot shorter than 2000, yet La Amistad ist seen to. Asking if- the Redoubt's blood line plug on the staying side? |
Not really.
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Posted By: Red Rum
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 4:13am
A horse may be "bred to stay", but doesn't mean it will. Temperament needs to be taken in to consideration. I backed a filly today at Lingfield called Casual Smile. By an Epsom Derby winner out of an Epsom Oaks winner, pulled hard and had no chance of getting home.
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Posted By: Red Rum
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 4:16am
When a horse is too enthusiastic it won't stay as far as pedigree suggests. If lazy it will stay further than breeding suggests.
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value is everything
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 4:29am
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It certainly does not help if the trainers are not up to it.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 4:32am
| CASUAL SMILE (GB) | Chestnut filly 2011 | |
Sea the Stars
Bay 2006 | Cape Cross
Bay or brown 1994 | Green Desert
Bay 1983 | Danzig
Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom | 1961
1968 | 2-d
7-a | Foreign Courier
Bay 1979 | Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee | 1965
1968 | 8-g
A4 | Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982 | Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975 | Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols | 1965
1966 | 5-h
1-m | Balidaress
Grey 1973 | Balidar
Innocence | 1966
1968 | 8-d
14-c | Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989 | Miswaki
Chestnut 1978 | Mr Prospector
Bay 1970 | Raise a Native
Gold Digger | 1961
1962 | 8-f
13-c | Hopespringseternal
Chestnut 1971 | Buckpasser
Rose Bower | 1963
1958 | 1-s
16-g | Allegretta
Chestnut 1978 | Lombard
Chestnut 1967 | Agio
Promised Lady | 1955
1961 | 9-h
1-d | Anatevka
Chestnut 1969 | Espresso
Almyra | 1958
1962 | 7-a
9-h | Casual Look
Bay 2000 | Red Ransom
Bay 1987 | Roberto
Bay 1969 | Hail to Reason
Brown 1958 | Turn-To
Nothirdchance | 1951
1948 | 1-w
4-n | Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959 | Nashua
Rarelea | 1952
1949 | 3-m
12-c | Arabia
Bay 1977 | Damascus
Bay 1964 | Sword Dancer
Kerala | 1956
1958 | 1-o
8-h | Christmas Wind
Bay 1967 | Nearctic
Bally Free | 1954
1960 | 14-c
6-b | Style Setter
Chestnut 1990 | Manila
Bay 1983 | Lyphard
Bay 1969 | Northern Dancer
Goofed | 1961
1960 | 2-d
17-b | Dona Ysidra
Bay 1975 | Le Fabuleux
Matriarch | 1961
1964 | 13-c
16-g | Charleston Rag
Chestnut 1982 | General Assembly
Chestnut 1976 | Secretariat
Exclusive Dancer | 1970
1967 | 2-s
10-a | Music Ville
Bay 1972 | Charlottesville
Meadow Music | 1957
1956 | 14-a
11-f |
| | Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m |
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Posted By: Red Rum
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 4:37am
djebel wrote:
It certainly does not help if the trainers are not up to it.
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In most cases it is not the trainers at fault Djebel, just how the horse performs. Different characters in horses as there are in humans. Sometimes it doesn't come out until they've actually run at the trip, with everything that happens on a racecourse.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 4:46am
Red Rum wrote:
djebel wrote:
It certainly does not help if the trainers are not up to it.
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In most cases it is not the trainers at fault Djebel, just how the horse performs. Different characters in horses as there are in humans. Sometimes it doesn't come out until they've actually run at the trip, with everything that happens on a racecourse. |
In Australia stayers have all there speed trained and raced out of them. This has been proven over time.
Casual Smile raced a little fresh but if she is actually up to that class she will stay all right. Its a worry that they have her wearing a nose roll, Pommy trainers as a rule do not like head gear unless there are issues.
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Posted By: Red Rum
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 6:13am
djebel wrote:
Red Rum wrote:
djebel wrote:
It certainly does not help if the trainers are not up to it.
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In most cases it is not the trainers at fault Djebel, just how the horse performs. Different characters in horses as there are in humans. Sometimes it doesn't come out until they've actually run at the trip, with everything that happens on a racecourse. |
In Australia stayers have all there speed trained and raced out of them. This has been proven over time.
Casual Smile raced a little fresh but if she is actually up to that class she will stay all right. Its a worry that they have her wearing a nose roll, Pommy trainers as a rule do not like head gear unless there are issues.
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Normallly I'd agree Djebel, it might be a worry for a horse to run with a sheepskin noseband (often used to keep their head down). But her trainer is Andrew Balding, son of Ian - who trained the great Mill Reef. Since Mill Reef ran in a noseband in 1971 most (even the most genuine) horses coming out of the Kingsclere establishment wear them. However, Casual Smile did play up a bit beforehand, getting rid of her jockey. May be if settling better (in prelims as well as in race itself) will eventually learn to stay 12f.
Surely speed in a racehorse is important even in stayers, those with a turn of foot having an advantage? Especially where home straights are as short as in Australia.
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