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Topic: LNP government.
Posted By: mc41
Subject: LNP government.
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2013 at 6:04pm
Lockyer mayor calls for MP to resign over bypass funding

UPDATE: Lockyer Valley Mayor Steve Jones has called on Member for Groom Ian Macfarlane to resign over botched funding for the Toowoomba bypass.

"Mr Macfarlane, whose electorate takes in the Toowoomba region, pledged $700 million in funding from a Coalition Government towards the $1.6 billion Toowoomba Bypass project or he would stand down," he said.

"Well, it's now time for him to resign.

"I am absolutely disgusted to learn that the project will now receive just $130 million during the next four years.

"That's a $570 million shortfall of what was originally pledged and more than $1.4 billion short of what the entire project will cost.

"We have been pushing for a second range crossing now for 25 years.

I am absolutely disgusted to learn that the project will now receive just $130 million during the next four years
"Band aid solutions are no longer acceptable and it's about time all levels of government stopped mucking around and got on with the job on delivering this project.

"You only have to look at the way the government has gone about trying to fix the current Toowoomba Range to understand how important it is to have an acceptable alternative route.

"If there was a second crossing we would not have any delays and traffic would continue to flow on this important road," he said.

"I for one call on Mr Macfarlane to stick to his word and either find the $570 million within the first term of a Coalition Government, or resign immediately," Cr Jones said.

"It's an absolute disgrace.

"He knows how vital a bypass is for the region and to swear black and blue that a Coalition Government would fund the project to the tune of $700 million only to then cut it to just $130 million is abhorrent."

EARLIER: Coalition budget costings released ahead of tomorrow's federal election reveal only $130 million has been allocated towards the Toowoomba Range bypass project over the next four years.

The Fiscal Budget Impact of Federal Coalition Policies, announced by shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, shows $50 million has been allocated in 2015-16 and a further $80 million in 2016-17.

Incumbent Federal Member for Groom Ian Macfarlane had promised $700 million for the project in the Coalition's first budget should they win office.

Mr Macfarlane told The Chronicle on January 25, 2013, he would not seek re-election if the money was not delivered.

He went on to say he would put his reputation on the line in relation to the project.

However, the Fiscal Budget Impact of Federal Coalition Policies document told a different story with only $130 million being made available in the Coalition's first term should they win tomorrow's election.




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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2013 at 6:12pm
Don't you know Tony wants to be known as an infrastructure Prime Minister. 

He will slash the guts out of Labors infrastructure projects, but just thinks that infrastructure Prime Minister is a cool name to have

I would like to be known as Batman, but that wont happen either


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2013 at 11:21pm
Guessing what a clean living, Family Man of Christian values might do as our new Prime Minister, is being presumptuous to the extreme.
Given what we have been tolerating for six years, Can he do worse.
Talk to us after he fails.    The Australian Public delivered him a
resounding victory and sent the cannibals packing.
Tony will save us.

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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 1:02pm
God help us if the interview Cassidy had with Robb is anything to go by


Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 1:08pm
Interesting that Abbott preaches small govt. 

He had the biggest shadow govt in the history of the commonwealth with 43. 

The maximum allowable govt size constitutionally is 40 

Some conservatives 'mates' will face the chop


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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 1:52pm
Bronwyn as speaker   Ermm


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

God help us if the interview Cassidy had with Robb is anything to go by

BARRIE CASSIDY: Yeah, except you talked up the great differences and talked about a budget emergency, and when the costings finally came out you pretty much adopted the Labor blueprint, certainly their timetable?

ANDREW ROBB: Well Barrie, you know, that costings that we put out last week demonstrated a $16 billion reduction in debt, a $6 billion in deficit. But what it did mark is a change in direction; we are going to stop the growth of debt. Debt's growing at …

BARRIE CASSIDY: Yeah but $6 billion …

ANDREW ROBB: … a faster rate than it has in our history.




Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 2:03pm

Costings truth will follow details drop

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Peter Martin Economics Corresponden

 Policy details the Coalition kept hidden during the campaign are to become public in a document dump scheduled for next month.

The Parliamentary Budget Office sent letters of request to all three major political groups during the campaign asking for a comprehensive list of election commitments by 5pm last Friday.

The office said on Sunday that all three complied, with Labor furnishing 132 commitments, the Coalition 169 and the Greens 107.

The office now makes its own assessment of whether the lists are accurate and releases its account of what it believes was promised within 30 days of Saturday's poll, which will be Monday, October 7, just after the first week of parliamentary sittings.

It will also release its estimate of the total effect of each set of commitments on the budget bottom line. The assessment will be the first not mediated by the parties themselves. The Coalition employed three analysts it said were independent, who limited their comments to one page, saying they agreed with the totals.

Parliamentary Budget Officer Phil Bowen said he would also release the detailed figuring and assumptions the Coalition had not. Many had already been prepared for the Coalition by the office but kept secret, with the Coalition deciding to release only totals rather than the means by which they were determined.

As a result, details such as the starting date of policies and the way they would be applied were kept secret from Labor, encouraging it to make errors such as claiming the Coalition's policy was to cut 20,000 public service positions rather than 12,000.

The document dump will allow the public and Labor to see the details of the policies with which the Coalition went to the people.

The requirement for a post-election review was inserted into the Parliamentary Budget Office Act initiated by former treasurer Wayne Swan to ensure "political parties are straight with the Australian people before the election".

"They will be caught out afterwards if they are not," he said in March.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/costings-truth-will-follow-details-drop-20130908-2tea0.html



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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 2:14pm


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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 2:17pm

THE incoming Coalition government will have to cut spending much more than it flagged during the campaign if it wants any hope of returning the budget to surplus, leading economists say.

The expected bounce in business and consumer confidence should lift share prices and the Australian dollar, but only drastic structural reforms to spending can bridge the $30 billion gap between federal revenues and expenses.



Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 9:33pm
The Building Industry will give the new Government a big boost.
We have had 6 years going backwards in that area and supply and demand has to be move things eventually.   Expect pressures upwards on Interest rates within the first half of Abbotts term.    We may even have restrictions put on Banks to slow the recovery.
Interesting times.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 9:39pm
Abbott will do very little if he is smart He is inheriting a healthy economy. He would be stupid to do anything to change that. That is why he is back tracking from all the gloom and doom rhetoric. The dumbest thing he could do is bring his commission of audit to find gaping holes and risk downgrading our credit rating

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Posted By: questions
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2013 at 10:51am
abbott knows what he has. 

they will blame labor for a lot. that is normal

they will find more problems with the budge. that is normal

they have outlined that they will stop the boats and get rid of the mining and carbon tax. on the first one they will have to be tough and on the second two they will either need to get it through or go to a double dissolution. abbott cannot afford to go to an election in 3 years with these things.

great to hear warren truss say they will go ahead with badgerrys creek yesterday. for mine they have 4 key areas of infrastructure to focus on. roads, second sydney airport, rail freight and the nbn. the liberal nbn plan is turnbull's plan and if labor voters thought they could vote for him then they have to trust that this plan is the best plan( i was thinking yesterday that palmer got the turnbull vote, those that would of voted liberal if turnbull was in charge)

the fact that they are moving on the roads and the second sydney airport is a positive.

they do all those things and provide stability and focus at the top level then business willbe ready to jump on investment at the first sign of consumer confidence. 

i said before the election that any government that was elected would get the benefit of things improving. the fact that it is the liberal party hopefully means they do not blow it.  


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2013 at 11:57am
Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Abbott will do very little if he is smart He is inheriting a healthy economy. He would be stupid to do anything to change that. That is why he is back tracking from all the gloom and doom rhetoric. The dumbest thing he could do is bring his commission of audit to find gaping holes and risk downgrading our credit rating


$12 Billion a year in interest .    Healthy ???,      PERLEASE.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2013 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Abbott will do very little if he is smart He is inheriting a healthy economy. He would be stupid to do anything to change that. That is why he is back tracking from all the gloom and doom rhetoric. The dumbest thing he could do is bring his commission of audit to find gaping holes and risk downgrading our credit rating


$12 Billion a year in interest .    Healthy ???,      PERLEASE.

How do you arrive at this figure maxie?


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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2013 at 3:13pm
Thought of a number,doubled it added 14. Halved it,took away the number he thought of added a few billion more.    Easy


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2013 at 3:15pm
How could Turnbull seriously be thinking of appointing ziggy as chair of NBN. Whe it was he that said copper network was at 5 minutes to midnight when he was in charge of TELSTRA many many moons ago.


Posted By: questions
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2013 at 11:40am
Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

How could Turnbull seriously be thinking of appointing ziggy as chair of NBN. Whe it was he that said copper network was at 5 minutes to midnight when he was in charge of TELSTRA many many moons ago.

you are building a telecommunications company that will be one of the largest companies in australia and doing it from scratch and there is no one on the board with civil engineering experience or has headed a telecommunications company in the past.

would that not be the first thing you look for?

looks like turnbull did the sensible thing and went out to speak to anyone that has experience in running a telecommunications company and ziggy put his hand up. ziggy did not understand the sales and marketing side of telstra like thodey does and that is what is returning telstra. the nbn is a contruction project in its current form and will be that way for 2 to 3 years and therefore, you need people running it with netowrking construction experience.

no brainer. 

they are running 4 reports over the current rollout and will set forward a plan in the next 3 months with a new board and management. this is where turnbull will be essential with his private sector connections and experience. 

this is a big challenge for him and so far when it comes to selling it he struggles or trips over himself. he needs to nail this if he ever wants to be a future leader. 

he has to make this turnbulls internet. 

i wont be surprised if they come back and say that the labor party plan would never of worked because in the areas they promised the nbn, about 10-20% of places would not be able to be connected at all because of issues getting to places and that goes for old buildings and newer ones. and the report will outline the average cost of their plan and for the places that it coudl get to, the cost will be markably higher than the 2400 per connection the labor party had reported. 


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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2013 at 11:46am
A nuclear physicist and Doctor of philosophy, failed telco boss....sounds like the CV to look for  

Jobs for the boys methinks Current chair of Opera Australia...a passion of the Turnbulls who are major brnrfactors


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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2013 at 12:33pm
"Turnbull's internet"? What a laugh. Up there with "Malcolm virtually invented the internet in this country". Seems Australian cons have learned the game of rewriting history from their good ol boy Tea Party mates. You might get away with it in the backwaters of the USA but you won't here despite the fawning Murdoch press. Even after the Coalition fiu it will still be another of Labor's many nation building successes irrespective of how you spin it. Switkowski belongs in academia and has nothing to bring to the table from a leadership perspective but the canny Turnbull knows a good fall guy when he sees one. Even the totally inept Trijullo did more for Telstra and there could hardly be a more damning indictment than that.


Posted By: questions
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2013 at 1:05pm
sorry 3bm. this conversation was for people that have been paying attention.

the idea of turnbulls internet is in order to take it away from what labor has been advertising and that is is ''abbotts internet'' in some very good adds. when abbott has had nothing to do with the design of it and has entrusted turnbull with it. turnbull needs to own it so that when it is completed it is he that people remember for it. if it is abbott then it suggests he has failed to change the public perception and that will suggest that he has failed to comunicate to the public or do to what he has said.

if he cant do that in one portfolio, no way could he do it all of them.

and i totally understand that you do not understand a joke abbott made, while laughing and while the rest of the audience laughed at what he said in reference to turnbull and the internet. it was a great moment in recent weeks. if you saw anyone that wrote an article to dispute the claim, you could categories them as an idiot. made things easy. 

at least we know where you sit. although you have been supporting the biggest joke of a government we have had. must make it difficult to distinguish between the two 


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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2013 at 10:26pm
I must have missed the policy that cuts solar panel rebates by 50%. It's starting to unravel


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2013 at 11:58pm
While I don't share your idea of jokes Ben I have no trouble at all sorting out the forum "jokes". You need to lift your game to get into the placings, you're running about 5th at the moment.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2013 at 1:00am
How do you arrive at this figure maxie?

12 billion a year in interest is widely mentioned and accepted.
Amazing how all concerned in the Opposition fail to accept the Abbott Govt. has a resounding Victory.        We get election speeches daily from Labor ,   They even refer to themselves as the Government.
   Wake up call required,     OUT for at least 6 years, ACCEPT.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2013 at 10:48am
Are you sure Libs won the election max?

Rudd came back, that weak reed Abbott twisted and turned in any direction it took to get elected, and in the course of that adopted almost all of Labors policy agenda

Abbott might have won the occupancy of the Lodge(once the possums and asbestos are cleaned out of it) but Labor won the policy battle


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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2013 at 11:44am
Police Acadamy 8: Eat your heart out VladPutinOuch

What an embarrassmentLOL

Tony Abbott abandons possum-infested Lodge in Canberra to live with AFP recruits until renovations are complete

  • SAMANTHA MAIDEN
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  • SEPTEMBER 14, 2013 10:00
Abbott to live with AFP recruits

Tony Abbott tried on a police vest when he met with police in 2010. Source: News Limited

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TONY Abbott has decided to bunk with Australian Federal Police recruits in a $120-a-night flat while renovations are conducted at the possum-infested prime ministerial residence The Lodge.

The modest and unusual digs, in a red brick AFP building close to Parliament, will feature a kitchenette and around-the-clock security from his AFP security officers and their junior colleagues.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/photographer-gary-ramage-takes-a-look-at-the-new-world-of-prime-ministerelect-tony-abbott/story-fni0cx4q-1226719203194" rel="nofollow - GALLERY: A portrait of Tony Abbott's first week in office

Perhaps most importantly for the fitness fanatic, the student quarters also include an impressive gym.

The AFP recruits were informed over the weekend that they should soon expect a very "VIP" visitor.

The old Australian Federal Police College in Canberra where the Tony Abbott  will be staying. Picture: Gary Ramage

The old Australian Federal Police College in Canberra where the Tony Abbott will be staying. Picture: Gary Ramage Source: News Limited

The Lodge is preparing for major renovations that could last for up to a year to repair dodgy wiring, remove asbestos and replace the roof on the 1927 property.

Mr Abbott rejected the other options on offer: a $3,000 a week dress circle rental in the nation's capital. Mr Abbott currently stays at the five-star Hotel Realm.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/nsw/coalition-to-revive-work-for-dole-program/story-fni0cx12-1226719224162" rel="nofollow - Coalition to revive work for dole program

Providing proper security to the Prime Minister was the biggest problem in finding a temporary new abode, with many options requiring significant security upgrades if AFP officers were to properly protect the PM. For that reason, staying a hotel was swiftly discounted as an option.

Australian

A room at the Australian Federal Police College in Barton, Canberra. Tony Abbott can expect to live in something like this while the Lodge is being renovated. Source: Supplied

The plan represents one of the most unusual Canberra living arrangements for a politician since former Liberal leader Brendan Nelson camped out in Joe Hockey's shed to save money after his divorce settlement. When Mr Abbott needs to entertain VIP guests he will do so at his Prime ministerial offices at Parliament House.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hollywood-star-russell-crowe-backs-anthony-albanese-to-lead-alp-over-bill-shorten/story-fni0cx12-1226719225303" rel="nofollow - Russell Crowe backs Anthony Albanese to lead ALP over Bill Shorten

In Sydney, Mr Abbott will also be able to use Kirribilli House on Sydney Harbour, but he has not yet announced when he will move out of the family home and live there.

In the 1980s, Mr Abbott lived at St Patrick's seminary where he trained as a Catholic priest. Mr Abbott's unusual choice echoes the Canberra habits of his unlikely political hero: Labor's Ben Chifley.

Australian

A room at the Australian Federal Police College in Barton, Canberra. Tony Abbott can expect to live in something like this while the Lodge is being renovated. Source: Supplied

As Prime Minister, Mr Chifley preferred the Hotel Kurrajong to the Lodge. He died there in 1951 after suffering a heart attack. The historic hotel is close by to the AFP flat Mr Abbott will live in.

"My old man always says that Ben Chifley was a great prime minister, I think probably because he was very down-to-earth and a decent human being,'' Mr Abbott said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/roo-poo-senator-a-breath-of-fresh-gippsland-air/story-fni0cwl5-1226718531932" rel="nofollow - Maiden: Roo Poo Senator a breath of fresh Gippsland air

The vexed question of where to put the Prime Minister while the renovations were conducted at the Lodge has exercised the minds of public servants for years after Julia Gillard first signed off on the multi-million dollar renovations of the historic property two years ago.

Australian

A room at the Australian Federal Police College in Barton, Canberra. Tony Abbott can expect to live in something like this while the Lodge is being renovated. Source: Supplied

Ms Gillard was fond of regaling guests with stories of the possum urine stains in the ceiling detailing the horror in a 2012 interview with The Sunday Telegraph.

"We had a celebrated incident where we had a visiting foreign leader,'' Ms Gillard said.

 



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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 10:21am
Julia might put the ring on the finger to attract on going publicity.
I expect she has quite a few "hair dressers".
I long to hear her say "I do".       To =   love onher and OBEY.
BTW.    I think the Libs won the election.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 10:31am
True maxie, the LNP did win the election, and the Libs now want their party back. 

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 11:01am
Had to turn my TV off.   Labor have another bag of verbal diarrhoea.
Michelle Rowlands .    Check out Chic turned Labor party mouth.
   Think I have had enough Politics for 3 years .     Labor are still delivering their Victory speech.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 11:07am
Not enough 'women of calibre' in the LNP to fit any more than one into a 20 person cabinetOuch




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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 11:58am
Shows what a great leader Abbott is.     He doesn't have a tap to turn on to the deviates dam.       The NLP Ladies appear to have lower testosterone levels.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 12:02pm
With only one in cabinet, obviously serving the morning tea, who hands out the Iced Vo Vos?

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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 12:05pm
Arthur Sinodinos not in cabinet.        Perhaps because of certain company shares.

November last year. Says the 5% stake was held for him under a gentlemans agreement

Febuary this year says. I did not request at anytime shares be held on my behalf.

1 week in and things are beginning to unravel


Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 12:08pm
http://www.afr.com/p/national/top_senator_sinodinos_on_the_outer_YRa20eq0pRfTy96qjlnxEL" rel="nofollow - http://www.afr.com/p/national/top_senator_sinodinos_on_the_outer_YRa20eq0pRfTy96qjlnxEL

Senior Coalition sources said there had been “question marks” raised internally over the last week about whether Senator Sinodinos may have to appear before a corruption inquiry related to a directorship he once held. Senator Sinodinos, a renowned figure inside the Coalition and former National Australia Bank executive, maintains he has done nothing wrong and his colleagues support him.


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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 3:44pm
Malcolm's a bit sensitive to the truth it seams.   


news Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has savagely attacked a University of Queensland lecturer for a seemingly innocuous article analysing rising online dissent towards the Coalition’s NBN policy, inaccurately labelling the academic’s article as “false” and “misleading”, and claiming that it was “a disgrace”.

Since the Coalition won power in last week’s Federal Election, a vigorous online movement focused on getting the new Abbott administration to abandon its own National Broadband Network policy and support Labor’s existing vision has been gaining force. Supporters of Labor’s vision argue that it will serve Australia’s long-term interests much better, as it features an all-fibre NBN, delivering a more reliable network and faster speeds.

The Coalition’s version of the NBN policy will see part of Telstra’s existing copper network maintained, in what is termed a ‘fibre to the node’ deployment. The model has been extensively and successfully deployed in countries such as the UK, but proponents of Labor’s policy have highlighted the fact that it offers limited speed boosts over currently available broadband in Australia (up to 100Mbps as a top-end limit), compared with Labor’s NBN, which will offer enhanced levels of reliability and speeds up to 1Gbps, coupled with significantly enhanced upload speeds.

Industry experts have consistently stated that they believe Labor’s NBN policy to be highly technically superior to the Coalition’s more modest vision, and having the potential to deliver Australia superior long-term outcomes in terms of service delivery and boosting Australia’s economy through productivity gains. In addition, questions have been raised about the extent to whether it’s possible to deploy the FTTN technology the Coalition is focused on in Australia and whether it will perform as the Coalition has claimed.


Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 5:19pm
Memo to Question"s: No you don't find more wrong with the budget as you have the PEFO. If you think the LNP can state its worse than we thought then you should be mad as hell as they knew ALL beforehand. To not do so is to pander to party politics at the expense of the nation and honest Govt.
Macca, do you also post on the ABC website?
I wonder as they have a macca just like you! Ignorant of the facts , delusional and maybe in love with Mr Abbott. lol just jokes ....



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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 5:21pm
MC41 can I add that the NBN is rolled gold when it comes to military apps and security.
Its brilliant and , heaven forbid, if we are invaded the first thing attacked is communications....and its very difficult to target.
Let alone medical, education, life support, infrastructure apps. No lets get to a surplus instead eh'..


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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 5:29pm

Hockey may delay bad budget news

PUBLISHED: 15 HOURS 3 MINUTES AGO | UPDATE: 1 HOUR 55 MINUTES AGO

PHILLIP COOREY AND JOHN KEHOE

The incoming Abbott government is considering delaying until late January the mid-year budget update to avoid hurting confidence over the Christmas shopping season.

Treasury briefings over the past week have driven home to the new ­government the risks to the economy. The economic forecasts and predictions contained in August’s Pre-Election Economic and Fiscal Outlook are already obsolete, the new government has been told.

On election night, incoming Treasurer Joe Hockey urged Australians to spend big over Christmas. Since then, reports showed a rebound in consumer and business confidence during the election campaign.

There are fears inside the Coalition, however, that if the Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook, normally released before Christmas, shows a further deterioration in the government’s finances and a slower economic outlook, confidence over the crucial period for retailers could be hurt.

Furthermore, there have been several recent economic updates, each more downbeat than the other, and the government would like a break in the bad economic news, which started with the May 14 budget. It was followed by the Labor government’s economic statement in early August, just before it called the election, and the pre-election ­economic outlook 10 days into the ­campaign.

Senior sources said Treasury would like to release the Mid-Year-Economic and Fiscal Outlook (MYEFO) in November but the new government is pushing back. Under the rules it does not have to release the outlook until the end of ­January and this option is under consideration. If the MYEFO is delayed, it would contradict a commitment Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott gave in his speech to the Liberal Party election campaign launch when he promised a MYEFO within 100 days of being elected. “The true state of Labor’s books will be revealed,’’ he said.

HOCKEY SUSPECTS MORE CUTS

Former treasurer Wayne Swan said if Mr Hockey delayed the release of the MYEFO until after Christmas, it would be unprecedented and a sign of “swingeing” budget cuts to come.

“In Joe Hockey’s own words, why won’t he release the true state of the books? What has he got to hide?” Mr Swan said. “Why is he hiding till everyone’s on holiday? It’s because more cuts will be the Coalition’s late Christmas present to Australia.’’

In the days since the September 7 election, the Coalition has been preparing for an about-face on the economy. On Saturday, the AFR Weekend revealed the new government was looking at boosting infrastructure spending over the next 12 to 18 months to fill a larger than expected growth gap as the resources investment boom ends.

“We are going to have to spend some money because the gap in capital investment with the end of the mining boom is far more dramatic than expected,’’ a government source said.

Mr Abbott has described himself as the “infrastructure prime minister” and promised to plunder the foreign aid budget by $4.5 billion to fast-track large projects, such as Sydney’s WestConnex motorway, which will extend the M4 freeway to Sydney Airport. This money could now be increased.

Economists have welcomed the Coalition’s shift in priorities but question how much the government can plug the growth gap.

“It’s the Keating-esque objective to reach surplus over time,’’ Deloitte Access Economics’ Chris Richardson said. Mr Richardson said the Reserve Bank of Australia would shoulder most of the responsibility to stimulate the economy through low interest rates.

“The period of maximum danger is between now and the end of 2015.

“Across that time, we will see the wind-down in spending on mega-mining projects. The shrinking by 2.5 per cent to 3 per cent as a share of the economy almost takes one year of economic growth away over three years.’’

Bank of America’s chief Australia economist, Saul Eslake, told investors in New York the Coalition’s new position on budget policy was encouraging.

“I think that is appropriate given what I consider to be a challenging outlook for the Australian economy over the next few years,” he said.

“The right thing to do in that context is to boost infrastructure spending.”

MISLEADING THE PEOPLE, SAYS LABOR

The Labor opposition was less forgiving, given it endured years of taunts while in government about being un­able to return the budget to surplus.

Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen said the Coalition’s about-face on the economy amounted to misleading the people and made a mockery of its pre-election claims of a budget emergency.

“We allegedly had a budget emergency, allegedly we had a budget crisis that needed to be fixed,’’ he said.

“Now we see on the front page of the Financial Review, Mr Hockey talking about the need to stimulate the economy and spend more money and ‘we’re going to have a great Christmas’, he said, ‘spend up big’. So we had one view before the election and miraculously after the election a different view.”

Deputy Prime Minister-elect Julie Bishop said on Sunday “the budget is certainly in a parlous state’’ and “you will see some significant announcements’’ from Mr Hockey after the ­government was sworn in, most likely on Tuesday. The most recent budget trajectory, as contained in PEFO, forecasts a return to surplus in 2016-17.



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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 5:33pm
The Misogynist appoints 1 female, Julie (balls of steel) Bishop to his front bench.
Obviously believes the female of the species is good for breeding and not much else


Posted By: Voss
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by Bagman Bagman wrote:

MC41 can I add that the NBN is rolled gold when it comes to military apps and security.
Its brilliant and , heaven forbid, if we are invaded the first thing attacked is communications....and its very difficult to target.
Let alone medical, education, life support, infrastructure apps. No lets get to a surplus instead eh'..


Pretty much all of that should be available under the LNP's NBN plan.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

The Misogynist appoints 1 female, Julie (balls of steel) Bishop to his front bench.
Obviously believes the female of the species is good for breeding and not much else

Are there many to choose from?


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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 5:50pm
Voss, no it wont.
The world is leaping ahead in terms of technology. For instance the Indonesians aren't that far behind us in the mil tech stakes. The nodes are then targets for insurgents.
'pretty much' doesn't future proof anything.
That's the BIG issue now. Do we want to settle for 'pretty much' or do we want to get the job done ,properly, the first time?

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:00pm
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

The Misogynist appoints 1 female, Julie (balls of steel) Bishop to his front bench.
Obviously believes the female of the species is good for breeding and not much else

Are there many to choose from?

No because the Lib party pre selects so few women. Only 1 in 5 were women at this election.


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Posted By: Voss
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:08pm
To use an example of yours from a while ago Bagman - why wouldn't a surgeon in Melbourne be able to operate a robot in Sydney?




Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:10pm

Tony Abbott's Cabinet and outer ministry

Date

September 16, 2013 - 3:40PM

 

Cabinet - 19 members, including the prime minister

Tony Abbott (NSW) - Prime Minister

Warren Truss (Qld) - Deputy Prime Minister; Infrastructure and Regional Development, Leader of the Nationals

Julie Bishop (WA) - Foreign Affairs; Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party

Eric Abetz (Tas) - Employment; assisting the Prime Minister on the Public Service; Leader of the Government in the Senate

George Brandis (Qld)- Attorney-General; Arts; Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate

Joe Hockey (NSW) - Treasurer

Barnaby Joyce (NSW) - Agriculture

Christopher Pyne (SA) - Education; Leader of the House

Nigel Scullion (NT) - Indigenous Affairs

Ian Macfarlane (Qld) - Industry

Kevin Andrews (Vic) - Social Services

Malcolm Turnbull (NSW) - Communications

Peter Dutton (Qld) - Health; Sport'

Bruce Billson (Vic) - Small Business

Andrew Robb (Vic) - Trade and Investment

David Johnston (WA) - Defence

Greg Hunt (Vic) - Environment

Scott Morrison (NSW) - Immigration and Border Protection

Mathias Cormann (WA) - Finance

Outer ministry - 11 members

Mitch Fifield - Assistant Minister for Social Services; Manager of Government Business in the Senate

Luke Hartsuyker - Assistant Minister for Employment; Deputy Leader of the House

Fiona Nash - Assistant Minister for Health; Deputy Leader of the Nationals in the Senate

Michael Ronaldson - Veterans' Affairs; Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC; Special Minister of State

Sussan Ley - Assistant Minister for Education

Marise Payne - Human Services

Michael Keenan - Justice

Stuart Robert - Assistant Minister for Defence

Michaelia Cash - Assistant Minister for Immigration and Border Protection; Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Women

Jamie Briggs - Assistant Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development

Arthur Sinodinos - Assistant Treasurer

Parliamentary secretaries - 12 members

Richard Colbeck - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Agriculture

Bob Baldwin - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Industry

Brett Mason - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Foreign Affairs

Steven Ciobo - Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasurer

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Social Services

Simon Birmingham - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for the Environment

Scott Ryan - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Education

Darren Chester - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Defence

Paul Fletcher - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Communications

Josh Frydenberg - Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister

Alan Tudge - Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minster

Michael McCormack - Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Finance

Total ministry: 30 members (excluding parliamentary secretaries)

AAP



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Posted By: Voss
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by Voss Voss wrote:

To use an example of yours from a while ago Bagman - why wouldn't a surgeon in Melbourne be able to operate a robot in Sydney?




Under the LNP NBN I mean.


Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by Voss Voss wrote:

Originally posted by Voss Voss wrote:

To use an example of yours from a while ago Bagman - why wouldn't a surgeon in Melbourne be able to operate a robot in Sydney?




Under the LNP NBN I mean.

Mediocrity is the aspiration of this govt, not only in communications. We will retreat behind our borders and switch the lights off under this PM. 


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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:22pm
Excellent point Voss..... when it comes to operations having a dedicated line, fibre, leaves NO overuse issues eg max load for the noad. The boffins call it band width shaping.
You see fibre to router is OK as routers can currently handle 92 terabits per second the copper cannot.
So if we do that ,then we get down to the 'who needs it and who doesnt' type situation. Do we link all public hospitals?? Defence organisations?? IF we do it right the first time we can have 4000 (Im being facetious) surgeons in Melb operating on Sydney patients.
A thousand defence members using 3D apps whilst training etc etc the options if we do it whole will future proof our nation.


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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:24pm
Dammit NODE. I think a noad lives in the bottom of Brookes garden along with the fairy conspiratorial union.

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Posted By: Voss
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by Bagman Bagman wrote:

Excellent point Voss..... when it comes to operations having a dedicated line, fibre, leaves NO overuse issues eg max load for the noad. The boffins call it band width shaping.
You see fibre to router is OK as routers can currently handle 92 terabits per second the copper cannot.
So if we do that ,then we get down to the 'who needs it and who doesnt' type situation. Do we link all public hospitals?? Defence organisations?? IF we do it right the first time we can have 4000 (Im being facetious) surgeons in Melb operating on Sydney patients.
A thousand defence members using 3D apps whilst training etc etc the options if we do it whole will future proof our nation.


I was under the impression all medical facilities, education facilities, business centres, industrial parks, Government and military buildings would be getting FTTP - exactly the same as Labor's plan.

I'm quite sure this is correct.

The difference is FTTP v FTTN to domestic users.

Labor was going FTTP to ~95% of the population.

LNP was going FTTP to ~25% of the population and FTTN to ~70% of the population.

So the surgeon in Melbourne can control the robot in Sydney using the LNP's NBN - unless you're saying the surgeon is directing the robot from his ensuite toilet at home instead of from a medical facility?




Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:56pm
No they don't list any Hospitals or defence organisations as priorities or WILL be fibre. (LNP website policies NBN)
They reckon we'll have 25mbps by 2016 and 50mbps by 2019. They also state that the bandwidth crunch is real (LNP website NBN policy) and it needs to be addressed.
You'll also find that some fibre has already been rolled out and the LNP like most politicians would are claiming the amount already rolled out as part of that 25% you state.
If you like I can send you the link to the policy and what Ive just stated.
Or I could finish by saying I don't want a surgeon in his dunny playing with my vital organs.
I will finish by saying you cannot win the argument using only technology -ie fibre , fibre to node- as those that are in power have NEVER said their option is as good as the real thing.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 6:59pm
They have only ever argued this on cost.

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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 7:15pm
Wisely browndog. The LNP openly admit theirs isn't the same or even close , its a matter of surplus before all.


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Posted By: JoH
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 8:07pm
As well as who he has put into the Inner Sanctum it should also be noted that the
ministries for:
Science,
Climate change,
Multicultural affairs,
Citizenship,
International Development,
Youth,
Disability,
Housing and Homelessness are now gone. 

Yes good ol'
(roads not rail) Infrastructure Tony is correct ... there's no need for any official interest in Science, just take us back towards the 1950's and as the rest don't exist or are of minor (vote winning) importance lets just scrap them too.  Unhappy

Anyone ready to set a book on when that "overwhelming majority" of people who voted this clown in have started denying same?









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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 8:14pm
Yes JoH, and it seems we don't want tourists eitherOuch Maybe the conservative dullards don't differentiate between tourists and asylum seekers, just keep em all out

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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 9:49pm
Why are conservatives dullards?
Just a different set of beliefs but held just as strong as yours. Sure some think of weird ways to do things but so does the left.
PS never resort to name calling...even if your right ;)

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 10:03pm
I am not saying all conservatives are, I actually voted conservative this time. It is just this leader and his hand picked low hanging fruit cabinet that give the others a bad name

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 10:26am

Tony Abbott's male-heavy cabinet is a disappointment to Tony Abbott

The prime minister elect has talented women 'knocking on the door', but he has more pressing priorities than letting them in

  • , political editor
  • http://www.theguardian.com/" rel="nofollow - theguardian.com , 
  • http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/16/tony-abbott-cabinet-disappointment#start-of-comments" rel="nofollow -
    Tony Abbott
    The cabinet under an Abbott government will have many long-serving men. Photograph: Julian Smith/AAP

    When  http://www.theguardian.com/world/tony-abbott" rel="nofollow - Tony Abbott  says he is "disappointed" there aren't more women in his cabinet, what can he mean?

    It can't be that he's disappointed with the selection process, because he did it.

    It can't be that he's disappointed with the fact there are so many long-serving men there, because it was his decision not to move any of them on.

    It can't be because he hasn't any sufficiently talented women MPs, because quite clearly he has.

    And when he says there are "binders full" of women "knocking on the door" of the cabinet, and the ministry (OK, he didn't say the bit about binders), it's not clear what he means either, because of his 12 parliamentary secretaries – traditionally a kind of ministerial training ground – only one is a woman and she's there because she's been demoted.

    Two women who had been parliamentary secretaries have been promoted into the outer ministry – Nationals senator Fiona Nash and Liberal senator Michaelia Cash.

    The truth is that for Abbott, stability and continuity and experience rated as a higher priority than more ministerial representation for women, even when one of only two female cabinet members stood aside because she was likely to lose her seat. He'd always signalled that the cabinet would not change much, and he kept his word. And he wasn't prepared to make many changes in the outer ministry either.

    He may have been "disappointed" with the outcome. But not enough to risk the internal destabilisation and possible upheaval and "off-message" ructions of doing anything about it. There are obviously capable women "knocking on the door", it's just not clear when Abbott might run the risk of opening it.



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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 11:51am
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Posted By: waggamick
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 12:14pm
Mainly semantics.
All of those 'ministries' have been absorbed into larger ministries and responsibility for the portfolio is, as was the case under Labor, allocated to Junior Ministers.
Having them all as separate ministries was more a matter of form than substance trying to imply that each area was 'really important'.
I much prefer Super Ministries where a degree of synergy may be realised.

Ministry of The Status Of Women....please.....
Ministry of Youth....window dressing........

Every election is a boon for Stationary Suppliers.


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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 12:53pm

https://twitter.com/latikambourke" rel="nofollow - - ‏ - latikambourke https://twitter.com/latikambourke/status/379763132844896256" rel="nofollow -

Wow.Lib  https://twitter.com/DennisJensenMP" rel="nofollow - - DennisJensenMP just unloaded on PM-elect Tony Abbott's frontbench + lack of specific Science Ministry

 

Liberal MP Dennis Jensen 'I'm somewhat confused with what's happened with the science portfolio..will make it a schizophrenic policy area.'

 

'something that to me is strange, we've got a minister for sport for God's sake but we don't have a minister for science.'

Jensen on https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 says its not too late for PM-elect Tony Abbott to name a Science Ministry ahead of swearing in Wed.

Lib MP Dennis Jensen on https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 ranks PM-elect Tony Abbott's decision not to have a Science Ministry 'pretty low.'

Lib MP Dennis Jensen on Tony Abbott's Paid Parental Leave scheme says the $5.5b cost is too high.

Lib MP Dennis Jensen tells https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 PM-elect Tony Abbott hasn't selected his frontbench entirely on merit 'that's political reality.'

Lib MP Dennis Jensen tells https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 Abbot'ts $5.5b Paid parental Leave scheme is an idea 'someone had' which hasn't been 'thought through'

Lib MP Dennis Jensen tells https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 PM-elect Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme should be sent to the Productivity Commission.



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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 1:00pm

 

Lib MP Dennis Jensen on whether he'd vote for PM-elect Tony Abbott's paid parental leave policy 'I'd have to wait and see.'

Lib Dennis Jensen says Productivity Commission should see if Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme actually makes sense re cost/benefits.

Lib MP Dennis Jensen on https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 'it's fair to say I have problems with it' [Tony Abbott's $5.5b paid parental leave scheme].

Dennis Jensen says Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme 'whacks seniors' by denying them franking credits and his constituency hates it.

Liberal MP Dennis Jensen tells https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 the Coalition should aim to get back to surplus 'as soon as possible.'

Liberal MP Dennis Jensen on whether Direct Action could be cut for savings 'potentially.'

On whether Direct Action is economically sustainable, Liberal MP Dennis Jensen tells https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 'elements of it will be.'



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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 1:01pm
Real Liberals want their party back. I think Dennis Jenson wont be the last to unload on Abbott

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-17/liberal-jensen-attacks-schizophrenic-handling-of/4962424" rel="nofollow - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-17/liberal-jensen-attacks-schizophrenic-handling-of/4962424


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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 1:18pm
Don't know what the fuss is about. Abbott has plenty of girls in his ministry.


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

 

Lib MP Dennis Jensen on whether he'd vote for PM-elect Tony Abbott's paid parental leave policy 'I'd have to wait and see.'

Lib Dennis Jensen says Productivity Commission should see if Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme actually makes sense re cost/benefits.

Lib MP Dennis Jensen on https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 'it's fair to say I have problems with it' [Tony Abbott's $5.5b paid parental leave scheme].

Dennis Jensen says Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme 'whacks seniors' by denying them franking credits and his constituency hates it.

Liberal MP Dennis Jensen tells https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 the Coalition should aim to get back to surplus 'as soon as possible.'

Liberal MP Dennis Jensen on whether Direct Action could be cut for savings 'potentially.'

On whether Direct Action is economically sustainable, Liberal MP Dennis Jensen tells https://twitter.com/ABCNews24" rel="nofollow - - ABCNews24 'elements of it will be.'



The same berk wanted to be Science Minister and backed up his credentials by using Christopher Monckton as a reference. They have more than the national average of fruit cakes in their parliamentary party, you can add another.


Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 1:55pm


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:03pm
I thought the people sacked Sophie .     You can't blame Abbott.
He stuck with his originals where possible and too risky to add more Ladies or we might be up for P.P.L.
Did he have any with the credentials and experience to consider.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:12pm
No women of calibre in the LNP maxie??

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

No women of calibre in the LNP maxie??


lol BD >   Your a dry one.
I got outed from the sewer site again for saying Tony Abbott didn't have a deviate tap to turn on.
Harsh on us proud misogynists aye.

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:27pm
LOL

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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:35pm
Didn't know you had a sense of humour macca.... love the PPL.lol.
Did he have any woman with credentials or experience?
No. But he has one with sex appeal! boom tish.
Why is it that the LNP struggle to find women with the above yet field female candidates?? Why does the Qld LNP have bugger all women on the bench?


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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:44pm
Peter Costello's hand picked successor in Higgins, a Liberal safe seat and "leadership seat", Kelly O'Dwyer, touted by conservatives as potentially a future woman PM can't even get a run in Abbott's run-on team. In fact she isn't rated in the top 42 by Abbott. I think Mr Jenson may have a point about there not being merit appointments

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:46pm
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.     A lot of men didn't make it to the front bench either.
Had Miss " Sex Appeal" been promoted,   Just imagine the tongues wagging.     
Re that sense of humour , not often,     I haven't had a good laugh since me Mum got a tit caught in the wringer.

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Posted By: waggamick
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 3:51pm
Could be that women prepared to take on a representative role are more interested in 'social issues' and as a result find the Left side of politics more accommodating to their interests.


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 5:09pm
Jokes aside ,   We are reaching a point where the gender issues are more important than running the Country.
People like Ita Buttrose , Gillard , Shorten, Bowen etc. don't choose who is on the front bench for the NLP.    
At the same time it would be good to see more Women take on a Political role, however most don't and the probable reason is , Ladies don't deserve the dog eat dog environment of front line politics.
None of them choose to fight Anthony Mundine or Play front row for Souths NRL team either.
Abbotts front bench had 3 ladies going into the Election.   Sophie was turfed by the people and another will be The Speaker.
Labor is the opposition today so their delusion that Womens presence wins votes didn't work..        . We must be heartbroken to lose Gillard , Wong , Roxen etc,
    

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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 5:18pm
So by your reckoning the woman are useless and shouldn't be taken seriously.
This is one that cannot be spun away and will haunt Mr Abbott in years to come.
For mine its not a matter of not ready yet , Mr Abbott has to deal with public perception. This is a weak point that will fester (its already begun) and will be a target for ridicule in the future.
Its just a nonsense that WILL hurt the LNP whenever a decision needs to be made that in any way shape or form affect the fairer sex.
Its one of the dumbest political decisions Ive ever seen.
Its bold...

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 5:20pm
Might as well discuss these sort of issue as Tony has still not set out a clear policy agenda to discuss, and he has no intention of doing so any time soon. Slow and methodical, he says. 

That is code for 'We have to work out how to unspin our pre election scare campaign so it doesn't come back to bite us' It will take us a while


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 5:54pm
Bagman...    Be sincere and name what women you would have put onto the front bench.    Who you would have demoted and why.
I have written to Ita Buttrose to demand she fights for more slaughter Ladies in out Abattoirs too.

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Posted By: waggamick
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Bagman...    Be sincere and name what women you would have put onto the front bench.    Who you would have demoted and why.
I have written to Ita Buttrose to demand she fights for more slaughter Ladies in out Abattoirs too.


Elle McPherson, Delta Goodrem, Sarah Murdoch,Jennifer Hawkins, Natalie Imbruglia, Megan Gale.

Question Time ratings would go through the roof.

I present their qualifications:
http://agvulpes.hubpages.com/hub/Australias-most-Beautiful-Women-by-Ag


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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 6:30pm
Its a matter for Mr Abbott my friend.... but lets just say he has, IMHO, humped the bunk on this one.
If you don't confuse experience for aptitude then I think you'd see a few women on the bench...

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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 6:31pm
Natalie Imbruglia??
Other than that I agree

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 6:54pm
Elle McPherson, Delta Goodrem, Sarah Murdoch,Jennifer Hawkins, Natalie Imbruglia, Megan Gale.
   Waggermick.     I kid you not ,     You would win by 140 seats with That front bench.
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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 6:55pm
Question time would be on at prime time baby.
Oh and Leigh Sales to be speaker...... bbbrrrrr

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Posted By: JoH
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 9:49pm
OK .. I'll leave aside the intensely parochial, partriarchal and generally female unfriendly attitudes that still exist within the old boy's clubs that are the Liberal, National and to a lesser extent Labor Parties and ask a question of you largely white, middle-class guys who talk as if by Divine Right you're entitlted (Boer-like) to your position of dominance ...

You men and boys who with very few exceptions have never and (hopefully) will never know what discrimination feels like ...  
I belong to the largest section of this country's population, to its numerical majority but I have never been represented (proportionally) by my own kind at any level of government. 

Before you laugh off my comments or turn away from my comment and resort to more persnal jibes  ...  honestly try and take a look at it from my side. 
How well represented would you feel if every male MP (party is irrelevant) was replaced by a female MP or a green spotted Martian for that matter? 
The point is that when you look at / listen to Parliament that understand what it is like to not feel represented by the beings sitting there.

I understand some people don't want to share their toys, their sandpit or their decision making and I even understand that some people like our PM elect, honestly think they are doing the best for all concerned, it's just that they (and quite a few of you guys) simply just don't get it.


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Posted By: Bagman
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 10:06pm
Yeah, OK.
Sorry if WE offended you with our jibes. I really am.
We were locked in a debate that was very blokey. Kinda like three blokes in a pub AWAY from woman. The women in our lives count amongst that.
I agree with you.
Julia Gillard was, imho, a woman of vision and principal. The amount of great initiatives she presided over will forever set her apart from Rudd and Howard. I showed the misogynist speech to my girls (I have 6 one granddaughter 5 daughters) 2 of whom watched along with my wife jaws agape. It was one for the books. I haven't heard a speech THAT inspired in an age.
The rest of your post is as thought provoking as it is legit. To have ONE female member on the front bench , is shameful. Its also political suicide......
I think that is the positive you can take away.... if there is one.
Great post....
PS please don't tell my wife about the front bench thing ;)

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 10:56am
Barak Obama is sending an openly gay ambassador to Australia with his partner. B.O. clearly has a wicked sense of humor LOLLOL


John Berry to be next US ambassador to Australia

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John Berry will replace Jeffrey Bleich as US ambassador to Australia.

US PRESIDENT Barack Obama has nominated public administrator John Berry as the next US ambassador to Australia.

Mr Berry, who must be confirmed by the US Senate before he can take up the appointment, will be the first openly gay US ambassador to serve in a Group of 20 nation.

The 54-year-old former head of the Office of Personnel Management - which oversees the US public service - will replace Jeffrey Bleich.

A date has yet to be set on when Mr Bleich steps down from his Canberra role.

If Mr Berry's appointment is confirmed, he would join David Huebner the current US Ambassador to New Zealand and Samoa, as another openly gay diplomat in the region.

Australian Marriage Equality national secretary Jay Allen told New Ltd that he welcomed the appointment and had written to Mr Berry to formally congratulate him on the nomination.

Mr Allen said he met Mr Berry in Washington in March and found him to be "very approachable" and a strong advocate for gay marriage.

Mr Berry hails from Maryland and studied at the University of Maryland and Syracuse University.

In a moving video posted in November 2010 as part of the global http://www.itgetsbetter.org/" rel="nofollow -  It Gets Better campaign , Mr Berry said he was lucky to have never been bullied about his sexuality, but he added he did fear the reactions of those he loved.

"I was afraid of who I was. I was afraid God wouldn't love me, my parents wouldn't love me. I was afraid I couldn't be successful in politics. But now I know, God does love me, more than I could ever have imagined," he said.

He said when he came out to his father, a marine who went to mass daily, his Dad asked that his partner not come to the family home, but time changed him.

"Ten years later when my partner was dying from AIDS, my Dad held him in his arms and told him 'I love you like my own son'. Things do get better."

"You can be whatever you want, you can love whomever you want, but only if your first love yourself," Mr Berry said at the end of the video.

He has previously held posts in the US Treasury Department, the Smithsonian Institution, and the US Department of the Interior.

He lives in Washington DC with his partner of sixteen years Curtis Yee.



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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:18am
Jo H..     have you thought of sitting for Parliament or do you need a Man to fill in the application.
   By the will of Mother nature,   Women can't compete with Man in most areas your nose is out of joint over.    Come back when Ladies don't have to have the equaliser of protectionism.    As in Ladies events.
As stated ,    we need slaughter women in our Abattoirs , NO applicants.

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:23am
Gee BD ..     The Yanks would probably invade if we sent Bob Brown over there.   He wouldn't get a passport.
   China will be pleased.

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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:24am
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Jo H..     have you thought of sitting for Parliament or do you need a Man to fill in the application.
   By the will of Mother nature,   Women can't compete with Man in most areas your nose is out of joint over.    Come back when Ladies don't have to have the equaliser of protectionism.    As in Ladies events.
As stated ,    we need slaughter women in our Abattoirs , NO applicants.


are you talking about physical pursuits as your stupid reference to abattoirs seems to indicate, what an old goose you really are.


Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:27am
Abbottoir is a social media tag for Abbott govt. Max is on the ballLOL

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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:28am
It is where good policy goes to be slaughtered

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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:32am
Okay my mistake, Embarrassed still interested to know which areas he refers to as men beng better than women.

One area women are better is getting the majority of assets in divorce settlements, I think that is the root of poor old Max's problems with the fairer sex Cry


Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:33am
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It’s official. Women are smarter than men.

For the first time in history, western women are scoring higher than men on IQ tests, according to Professor James Flynn, a widely recognized authority on intelligence quotient testing.

Both genders’ IQ scores have improved over the past century, yet women’s scores typically lagged four or five points behind, Flynn told the Star.

But in the last few years, women’s scores have risen faster and surpassed the men’s results by about one point, according to data Flynn compiled from testing agencies and academics in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Estonia, Argentina and Israel.

“Where women had a full opportunity to embrace modernity, women now either equal or slightly surpass men,” said Flynn, emeritus professor of psychology and philosophy at New Zealand’s University of Otago. He spoke to the Star by phone from Oxford, England.

Israel was the only exception to Flynn’s research, which will be published as the book Are we getting smarter? in September. Israeli women remained two points behind men (98 points versus the average man’s 100), “entirely due to the Orthodox women who are cloistered from the world.”

Canadian men weren’t studied, but — sorry, gentlemen — the trend likely holds here, too. Since Canada’s educational profile is in line with other developed countries, it is “fair to say” that if a man’s IQ score was 100, his female counterpart would score 101. (Although little data exists for the developing world, it appears women’s scores are also rising in Turkey, Brazil and Kenya.)

Women are also more likely to qualify for post-secondary education than men with the same IQ, according to Flynn’s findings. Among high school students, females with an IQ of 100 scored As and Bs, whereas males with the same IQ received Bs and Cs. Perhaps girls are more conscientious, or boys simply have trouble adapting to formal education, Flynn suggested.

“Not only are women as bright as men, but they’re surpassing them academically because of certain character traits.”

Flynn garnered his data from standardization samples for the Raven’s Progressive Matrices IQ test. His subjects ranged in age from 10 to 30-years-old.

There is little evidence to explain why women seem to have won this battle of the sexes, but potential theories include: Women were historically disadvantaged and have since caught up; multi-tasking between family and work boosts women’s smarts; or, women are inherently more intelligent.

Before women feel too self-satisfied, it must be noted that IQ tests aren’t without controversy. These tests measure and reward the kind of intelligence valued by university-attending types in developed nations, and neglect cultural intelligence that might be equally prized in different settings.

And while British men and women may have about the “same competence for the modern world,” Flynn found the men had better spatial skills while women excelled verbally — he suggested women are better suited to be lawyers than London taxi drivers.

That tidbit might resonate with the mayor of German town Triberg. As a publicity stunt, he designated two hard-to-maneuver parking spaces in the town parking garage as “men only” — he told the http://www.thelocal.de/society/20120707-43617.html" rel="nofollow - local paper that “men are, as a rule, a little better at such challenges.”

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 11:40am
.BD..      They cluttered up the Police Forces to a point they are ineffective.     Physical,    perlease . back seat maybe.
Tony has the answer. He understands the brain compares with the brawn.
   

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by JoH JoH wrote:

OK .. I'll leave aside the intensely parochial, partriarchal and generally female unfriendly attitudes that still exist within the old boy's clubs that are the Liberal, National and to a lesser extent Labor Parties and ask a question of you largely white, middle-class guys who talk as if by Divine Right you're entitlted (Boer-like) to your position of dominance ...

You men and boys who with very few exceptions have never and (hopefully) will never know what discrimination feels like ...  
I belong to the largest section of this country's population, to its numerical majority but I have never been represented (proportionally) by my own kind at any level of government. 

Before you laugh off my comments or turn away from my comment and resort to more persnal jibes  ...  honestly try and take a look at it from my side. 
How well represented would you feel if every male MP (party is irrelevant) was replaced by a female MP or a green spotted Martian for that matter? 
The point is that when you look at / listen to Parliament that understand what it is like to not feel represented by the beings sitting there.

I understand some people don't want to share their toys, their sandpit or their decision making and I even understand that some people like our PM elect, honestly think they are doing the best for all concerned, it's just that they (and quite a few of you guys) simply just don't get it.


http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/2307.html" rel="nofollow - "Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do. "







 Good on you JoH...well said...until someone has experienced discrimination they really don't understand how unjust it is...the Boy's Club has successfully managed to dissuade any woman from aspiring to the PM's job for heaven knows how long...and we are so un-represented in both sides of politics it's laughable...(except it really isn't funny)

 Mirabella conceded in the last hour...but at least the independent is a woman...

 

 


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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 1:22pm
OMG!!!Shocked Abbott slipped a 'Stop The Boats' into his swearing in ceremony Is there nothing that isn't political to this clown 

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Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 1:27pm
This has been so refreshing to watch these people be sworn in.
I feel like the circus of the past is over.
Finally a bunch of upstanding family orientated people with good values, religious values, are commanding our nation.
You can even tell in the way they conduct themselves during this process. The room is full of Jesus believers and they actually act normal. Clap


Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 1:30pm
Brooke, what do you think about the only woman in the cabinet living in sin? 

How very un-catholic of her. 

This joint is going to be a zoo, no doubtOuch


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Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by BROOKE BROOKE wrote:

This has been so refreshing to watch these people be sworn in.
I feel like the circus of the past is over.
Finally a bunch of upstanding family orientated people with good values, religious values, are commanding our nation.
You can even tell in the way they conduct themselves during this process. The room is full of Jesus believers and they actually act normal. Clap


Apart from Malcom Turn-BULL
P#ss him off.
Note he didnt hold the Bible while he made his vow. Left it on the table. MmmmmmmThumbs Down


Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Brooke, what do you think about the only woman in the cabinet living in sin? 

How very un-catholic of her. 


He who is without sin may cast the first stone



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