Darren Weir - Police Investigation
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Topic: Darren Weir - Police Investigation
Posted By: Pazman
Subject: Darren Weir - Police Investigation
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 12:33am
A very good season last year, winning everything from Ararat in Victoria to Snowtown in South Australia but Flemington in the Spring is a different class.
Yes, he had a G1 winner in Platelet but that was over 1200m. Anybody can do that.
The Melbourne Cup over 3200m is an assignment that many including Moody and Waterhouse have failed dismally with embarrassing attempts over the years and we put this down to a lack of ability, no not the horses they sent out but their ability to do what Cummings can do in his sleep.
Does Darren Weir have what it takes in ability to win with Puissance de Lune?
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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 12:39am
He's like a cheshire cat...fair dinkum never stops with churlish grin...lol
------------- Panspermia.
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Posted By: Ernest
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 12:41am
How do you propose to answer your question? I mean, if the horse fails to get to or fails in the race, will that be because it wasn't good enough or because Weir wasn't a good enough trainer? You can celebrate Cummings all you like but even has missed out in the 48 of the 60 years that he's been training.
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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 12:48am
Fiddlesticks wrote:
He's like a cheshire cat...fair dinkum never stops with churlish grin...lol
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I would smile too if Michelle Payne slept in my bed.
Also Paz, Weiry has already come second in the Melbourne Cup, so the man knows what's required.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 12:58am
gee if i had the fave in the cup i would be cruizin too ! and with that horse, i think he has a good,un. so good on him. i reckon he can do it.
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 12:59am
Any concerns about exposing PDL early?
Valid question for a 5/1 Cup fav.
A that price Weir has to accept responsibility.
Gee Shane Warne knocking up Liz Hurely was a suprise. Darren Weir knocking up Michelle Payne must beat that for a weight carrying record for the boys?
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Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 1:06am
Concerns that Weir is trying to mould PDL into a WFA horse from the run back. From his form OS, he is not WFA and this will compromise his stamina or the Cup. If he fails to mould hm into a WFA, then he won't win again this Spring.
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 1:07am
He definitely has what it takes to win the Cup with this horse. He has the horse to do it and he has the ability.
I agree it's a slight concern how early this horse is up and winning but, if any horse can do it, it's PDL. When fresh he can sprint/mile with the best and when he's fit, look out because he accelerates at the end of a 2500m race like the Cav at the end of 1000m!
She's Archie showed he knows what he's doing and I'd suggest he's a better trainer now than he was then.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
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Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 1:20am
She's Archie was a different kind of horse and had no weight. Brew like.
Just a worry that eventhough a prolific winner in the bush, success in the black type races have been far and few. Seems he has trouble aiming for a race and rathers winning everything in between.
I have to after some careful consideration, say no.
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 1:25am
But doesn't this horse prove he can train black type winners when he has the horse flesh? The guy hasn't exactly been blessed with good horses that looked to underachieve in his care.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:20am
Pazman wrote:
Concerns that Weir is trying to mould PDL into a WFA horse from the run back. From his form OS, he is not WFA and this will compromise his stamina or the Cup. If he fails to mould hm into a WFA, then he won't win again this Spring. |
What the bloody hell is a WFA horse.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:23am
She's Archies daughter is the best horse Darren Weir will ever train.
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Posted By: Keefy
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:27am
if you play up. that's fine.. you just have to show up.. I'd rather the grey be be kept quiet for a while.. cos I'm flying over to watch cox plate. I'm not sure Melbourne Cup is its race.
D. Weir be drinkin whiskey not lookin at this forum. too busy wid horses yo
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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 8:32am
djebel wrote:
Pazman wrote:
Concerns that Weir is trying to mould PDL into a WFA horse from the run back. From his form OS, he is not WFA and this will compromise his stamina or the Cup. If he fails to mould hm into a WFA, then he won't win again this Spring. |
What the bloody hell is a WFA horse.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING. |
Surprised it took you so long to reply. That alert button on your computer must have broken due to over-use.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 9:15am
I previously raised my concerns about Weir training PDL to win the Melbourne Cup so understand where Paz is coming from. On the positive side, I consider Weir to be a competent trainer, and he did train She's Archie to run second in the MC. However what concerns me most is that he will ask PDL to go straight from the CP to the MC without a run beyond 2040m. This means he has to get the horse fit mainly through trackwork. This is an artform. Bart can do it. Team Williams can do it. The European trainers can do it. But can Weir do it? Not saying he definitely can't, but I have my reservations. It is a huge challenge for him. By putting the mileage into PDL's legs he runs the risk of the horse not being keen enough over 2040m for the CP (like Green Moon). If he does too much he may be jaded for the MC. If he doesn't does not enough he may not be seasoned enough. Time will tell.
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Posted By: MelbourneRacing
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 9:29am
I rate Weir very highly and I think he's proven over the last 18 months that he is improving at his placement of horses at metropolitan meetings.
Forget his strike rate in the country, because he has a lot of slow horses that owners are happy to pay for, but his city strike rate has improved dramatically.
In 2012-13, Darren Weir had 264 metropolitan starters for 37 wins at a strike rate of 14, which was about the same as Moody, Snowden, Freedman and O'Brien, and better than Hayes and Price.
The standout, though, was profit on turnover.
Weir had an astonishing 21.4 per cent profit on turnover, up -12.6 on the previous season.
The only other major trainer to have a positive POT figure was Freedman, with half the figure at 10.9%.
Statistics can lie, but I think that Weir is now getting a lot smarter with his city assaults. When they go to town, they are not there for the run.
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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 9:53am
Hot2Trot wrote:
I previously raised my concerns about Weir training PDL to win the Melbourne Cup so understand where Paz is coming from. On the positive side, I consider Weir to be a competent trainer, and he did train She's Archie to run second in the MC. However what concerns me most is that he will ask PDL to go straight from the CP to the MC without a run beyond 2040m. This means he has to get the horse fit mainly through trackwork. This is an artform. Bart can do it. Team Williams can do it. The European trainers can do it. But can Weir do it? Not saying he definitely can't, but I have my reservations. It is a huge challenge for him. By putting the mileage into PDL's legs he runs the risk of the horse not being keen enough over 2040m for the CP (like Green Moon). If he does too much he may be jaded for the MC. If he doesn't does not enough he may not be seasoned enough. Time will tell. |
Bart can do it??? Are you sure? He was all about getting 10,000m into their legs before the Cup. He is no doubt a master, but he was all about racing his horses to get them fit. Any city trainer is at a disadvantage to get horses fit through trackwork alone. Lloyd has his property, Weir is luckier, he has 2. His Ballarat stable (great for hill work) and his Warrnambool beach stable. He has had a year to plan, there are no excuses.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 10:36am
Fair points Subastral. Bart won the MC with Saintly coming off the CP, but Saintly had run in the Metrop over 2400m. So You Think hadn't run below 2040m, but he only ran third in the MC. That Weir has his own property to train on is an advantage. Ditto the beach. I perhaps am more concerned about Weir overdoing it than the horse not being fit enough. I'm not a horse trainer, but I suspect overtraining is as big an issue in getting a horse in condition to win a MC as undertraining. Bart used to get them just right for the first Tuesday in November.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 10:45am
The horse trials on the CP at B'rat on Sat. with Boss on, apparently he's done a bit too well
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: Mental
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 10:50am
Considering how many horses bart has had in the cup over the years his strike rate is actually abysmal.
Weir will be fine. Great trainer who knows exactly how to peak a horse. Good luck to him.
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Posted By: Ernest
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 10:59am
For those who are worried about a horse winning in August, someone pointed out on one of the other forums that Americain, in 2010, "won on July 8, July 30, and August 22"
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Posted By: Ernest
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 11:04am
Not only that, in the same year, the runner-up (Maluckyday) won on August 24 and the third placegetter (So You Think) won on August 28 - making it a trifecta for August winners
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Posted By: RoosterCogburn
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 11:04am
Mental wrote:
Considering how many horses bart has had in the cup over the years his strike rate is actually abysmal.
Weir will be fine. Great trainer who knows exactly how to peak a horse. Good luck to him. |
Mental said something positive about a trainer, and sent well wishes!
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Posted By: Voss
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 11:31am
Pazman wrote:
She's Archie was a different kind of horse and had no weight. Brew like.
Just a worry that eventhough a prolific winner in the bush, success in the black type races have been far and few. Seems he has trouble aiming for a race and rathers winning everything in between.
I have to after some careful consideration, say no. |
Disagree.
IMO he gets every last bit of ability out of most of them.
He isn't always blessed with the quality bred stock that go through the yards of the big city trainers.
The raid he made on SA with Platelet shows how shrewd he can be.
He'll often take horses over to SA for easier races and good prize money.
Broken + Clang and Bang looked well at MV on Saturday too.
If it wasn't for the Diva we'd be sitting here all talking about how we know he can train them for the Cup because he has trained a previous winner.
I've backed up my confidence with a bit on PDL fixed. :)
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 11:46am
If you can train a second place to MD at your only go then yes, dummy, you can train the winner.
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Posted By: Hot2Trot
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 1:34pm
Yes, I query the "has trouble setting for a race" theory. He set PDL for the Bendigo Cup last spring and won it by 8 lengths. His 2nd with All Archie in the MC is further evidence.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 1:49pm
She's Archie would have won if not for a miracle Glen Boss ride on Makybe Diva.
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Posted By: princerubiton
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 2:40pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
She's Archie would have won if not for a miracle Glen Boss ride on Makybe Diva. |
I have a problem with this. The champs have no excuses, they are winners. She's Archie wouldn't have beaten her luck or no luck 100 times over.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 2:49pm
Please! Makybe Diva got a miracle run weaving a passage through the entire field and won by a length. If you don't think she was lucky to win you need to reassess the way you analyse races.
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:00pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
Please! Makybe Diva got a miracle run weaving a passage through the entire field and won by a length. If you don't think she was lucky to win you need to reassess the way you analyse races. |
You make your own luck. She had a champion jockey on board and that was the difference.
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Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:05pm
If Bart or TW was training PDL would he be shorter than the current quote 5/1?
And if the trainer is not a factor based on ability, then we might be getting overs atm?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:13pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
Please! Makybe Diva got a miracle run weaving a passage through the entire field and won by a length. If you don't think she was lucky to win you need to reassess the way you analyse races. |
Could it be said then that She's Archie needed bad luck for for Makybe Diva, for herself to be good enough to win the race ?
------------- reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:20pm
James wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
Please! Makybe Diva got a miracle run weaving a passage through the entire field and won by a length. If you don't think she was lucky to win you need to reassess the way you analyse races. |
You make your own luck. She had a champion jockey on board and that was the difference. |
Precisely! The miracle ride was the difference!
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:23pm
djebel wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
Please! Makybe Diva got a miracle run weaving a passage through the entire field and won by a length. If you don't think she was lucky to win you need to reassess the way you analyse races. |
Could it be said then that She's Archie needed bad luck for for Makybe Diva, for herself to be good enough to win the race ?
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When you come from as far back as Makybe Diva did in the 2003 Cup then you always need an element of luck to win. That's unless you are an out and out champion which she most certainly was not at that stage of her career. Rather than needing bad luck for Makybe Diva, She's Archie need Makybe Diva NOT to have extremely good luck. She was good enough to win a Melbourne Cup make no mistake about it.
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Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:31pm
Posted By: Ernest
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 3:57pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
She's Archie would have won if not for a miracle Glen Boss ride on Makybe Diva. |
Not this old chestnut! Every time she won the Melbourne Cup, somebody would come out and claim the runner-up should have won! Funny thing is, nobody ever seems to spend any time trawling through the wins of Gunsynd, Kingston Town, Tulloch, Phar Lap, or Bernborough looking for races they supposedly shouldn't have won. Just a thing that afflicts the modern champions.
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Posted By: maxamill
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 4:01pm
Divas a champ. And weir is on his way to a champ. To right he got the ability as a trainer and has that grey idling nicely picking up a few hundred extra on the way to the big ones.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 4:02pm
No, just the 2003 win. All you need to do is watch the replay to see how lucky she was to get a passage through the entire field.
Which horse should have beaten her in the others two?
This isn't the point though. The point is that She's Archie was definitely good enough to win a Melb Cup.
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Posted By: chinaguy
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 4:44pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
No, just the 2003 win. All you need to do is watch the replay to see how lucky she was to get a passage through the entire field.
Which horse should have beaten her in the others two?
This isn't the point though. The point is that She's Archie was definitely good enough to win a Melb Cup. |
No she was not good enough to win a MC only good enough to run 2nd... history shows that...
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 5:23pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
djebel wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
Please! Makybe Diva got a miracle run weaving a passage through the entire field and won by a length. If you don't think she was lucky to win you need to reassess the way you analyse races. |
Could it be said then that She's Archie needed bad luck for for Makybe Diva, for herself to be good enough to win the race ?
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When you come from as far back as Makybe Diva did in the 2003 Cup then you always need an element of luck to win. That's unless you are an out and out champion which she most certainly was not at that stage of her career. Rather than needing bad luck for Makybe Diva, She's Archie need Makybe Diva NOT to have extremely good luck. She was good enough to win a Melbourne Cup make no mistake about it. |
On the luck metre which mare had the least luck ?
------------- reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: Voss
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 6:34pm
I think the point is that Weir has the required skills to do it with PDL.
A 2nd to the Diva proves that.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2013 at 10:19pm
Wrong as usual Chinaboy. History shows she DIDN'T win a Melbourne Cup not that she wasn't good enough to win one. Plenty of horse were good enough to win a particular race but for whatever reason didn't. You'll be telling us that Kingston Town wasn't good enough either no doubt.
One thing history does show is that the majority of your posts are utter garbage. I take it you haven't been able to find any posts where I wished ill-fortune on Shamexpress?
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2013 at 2:10pm
No Moody blues over the rise and rise of trainer Darren Weir after his winning treble at Caulfield
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Peter Moody is full of praise for the form of youg trainer Peter Weir and his stable of horses.
Source: News Limited
PETER Moody, the dominant Victorian trainer of the past four years,
was genuinely excited for Darren Weir when the Ballarat trainer notched a
treble at Caulfield last Thursday.
"Hasn't Weiry had a great day. He's flying," Moody said. Moody needed to cast his mind back only six years to recall his arduous climb to the top of the mountain. The
former Queenslander built a stable capable of coming from 60 to 70
winners behind Hall of Famers Lee Freedman and David Hayes to win his
first metropolitan premiership and end a 32-year dominance of the title
by the Freedman and Hayes clans. He has fought equally as hard to
stay there, winning the past four premierships while conditioning a host
of remarkable gallopers, including Black Caviar, Typhoon Tracy,
Manighar, Lights Of Heaven, Reward For Effort, Magnus, Moment Of Change
and Brambles. Moody doubtless can see much of himself in Weir, a
country lad who has built a formidable stable and who has inched his way
towards the top of the premiership table.
Weir, who also had a double at Moonee Valley on Saturday, boasts 22 metropolitan wins for the season, five more than Moody. Moody accepts he is in a fight to retain his title. "My team has reached their level or been retired, and we have a stable in Sydney,'' he said. "We have a new batch and if they are good enough we can beat him (Weir), and if they are not he will beat us." Moody
has about 160 horses on his books while Weir, 43, has a staggering 245.
As an indication of his depth, his 22 wins have come from 18 individual
gallopers. They have another battle at Flemington tomorrow, with Moody having five runners and Weir four. Moody's prime hope may be sprinter Flamberge in the 1200m Standish Handicap. The
four-year-old has won four of 12 starts, including two at Headquarters.
He was a brilliant first-up winner over 1100m at Caulfield a month ago. Weir
will rely on country cups king Hurdy Gurdy Man in the 2800m Bagot
Handicap. The six-year-old has this year won the Hobart, Murtoa and
Hamilton Cups and finished third in the Ballarat Cup and second in the
Werribee Cup. Meanwhile, one city win behind Moody is Hayes. He
won the premiership for five consecutive years before heading to Hong
Kong in 1996 and he's a force again after establishing a new base at
Euroa. Hayes has four runners at Flemington tomorrow.
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2013 at 5:41pm
Moody should wipe the tears off his cheeks and stop being delusional by having a massive go with numbers over the last week of the year in hope of regaining the Metro premiership. Need to go back to the basics and cull his numbers.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2013 at 5:49pm
What took you so long Paz?
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2014 at 1:16am
less than one in 13 win at Weiry's, is that a good training statistic??
------------- to the victor
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2015 at 9:37am
Tlazolteotl wrote:
If you can train a second place to MD at your only go then yes, dummy, you can train the winner. |
"Country-based Darren Weir presents as the classic Aussie battler. He actually has Australia's biggest stable with an incredible 2006 starters in the past 12 months, while Chris Waller had 1733 and Gai Waterhouse 788. He excels at training for distance races. Good on you, Darren."
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2015 at 10:28am
Now do average yearling price of horses trained, Rob.
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Posted By: Heavenly Glow
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2015 at 2:28pm
This bloke is on fire. Congrats D.Weir. Hard work finally paying off, and it is great to see.
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Posted By: jayzaa
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 8:41am
Yep, hope he does a good job on the one he bought from me.
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gotta live the dream
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 12:09pm
Melbourne Cup-winning trainer Darren Weir is much more than a boy from the bush
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Darren Weir with Lucky Paddy at his Forest Lodge stables at Miners Rest. Photo: Justin McManus
Harvest time in the dry Mallee landscape is tough. There
are long hot hours walking the cracked earth, and even the recent
blessed rain means precious little now that the yellow waves of grain
are already cut and siloed. In fact, the same drops of water that
turned race tracks this week from fast to good to dead to soft to heavy
are actually a hindrance, giving succour to rapacious weeds like
bindi-eyes and paddy melons.
Strapper Stevie Payne poses for a picture while cleaning out the stables. Photo: Justin McManus
Darren Weir, trainer of Prince Of Penzance, the long-shot winner
of the Melbourne Cup, would know that. He grew up in these seas of
wheat, on a farm in tiny Berriwillock, nothing more than a blink on the
Calder Highway between the equally anonymous Culgoa and Boigbeat.
Perhaps 100 people live here, only a handful more than Weir employs
as head of the largest thoroughbred racing outfit in the state. You
can imagine then, what victory in the most prestigious race in the
country means to the town. Weir is their favourite son, a straight-up
bushy who was a horse breaker, track rider, farrier and strapper before
he became the most successful trainer in Victoria. His big brother Chris still grows wheat and barley on the family plot, 1214 hectares. Out here, that's a small farm. "Darren was always skin and bone," says Chris, sitting at the local pub. "And fussy. He'd only eat meat and spuds." When
not working the land, his childhood was spent fishing for redfin in the
reservoir and yabbies in the dam. He went birdnesting with his brother,
pinching eggs from Mickey miners and willy wagtails. He was eight when
he got his first horse, a palomino named Sonny. "Darren was scared of it at first," says his dad, Roy. "But once he got on top he was laughing. Nothing could get him off." By
the time he was 10, locals remember him standing on the rump of
full-grown horses with a whip in hand. While other teens were out racing
cars and wrecking utes, Weir was on horseback. One school
holidays, at 15, he worked for a trainer in Birchip, sleeping in a
caravan each night after days handling stallions and preparing
yearlings. He never went back to class after that. The chronology
is well told. He went to John Castleman in Mildura, then to Austy Coffey
back in Berriwillock, then to South Australia under Colin Hayes before
Terry O'Sullivan in Stawell. As a trainer he won his first race – a
maiden at Avoca – when he was 25. Now the boy from Berri' has beaten
the raiders from Europe, Japan and America, and kept the Cup in
Victoria. On Wednesday he will bring it through Berriwillock. "We're in shock," says Chris. "It's put us on the map." Berriwillock
needs this. The general store closed a few months ago. The post office
and swimming pool are all that's left. That and the pub, which is being
refurbished in time for next week. According to Ron Corbett, the
unofficial "town historian", the Golden Crown watering hole is
all-important. "The pub is the last gasp for this town," he says.
"I'm a Methodist and I don't drink, but here I am in the pub. It's one
of the few places for people to mix." The Weirs were pioneers
here, he adds, among the first to arrive when the land opened up in
1891. In 1925, Weir's grandfather was the first man in town to own a
tractor. But the population dwindles each year as farms grow larger and
more mechanised. "This win is the greatest thing," says Corbett.
"He's the boy from the bush, and he's beaten Sangster and Williams and
all their squillions." The place is buzzing. Men have been
pitching in around the clock to fix the pub for one cracker of a party.
They've knocked down walls, laid new plaster, fixed beautiful pressed
tin to the bar and new merbau skirtings to the floor. Garry
Summerhayes, chairman of the community development group, is planning
the day. There'll be a civic reception, a luncheon with barbecued meat,
hot chips, and every family will bring a salad. Hundreds will come from
all over Buloke Shire. "This has just brought people out," he
says. "They've got a smile from ear to ear. I met an architect from
Geelong yesterday about a leaking roof in the community centre, but we
spent the whole time talking about Darren Weir." And, of course,
there's the publican himself, Bobby Borlase, who stepped in to buy the
pub and restore it with new carpet, new jukebox, new pool table. Borlase
is fixing the guest rooms, too, and turning the parlour into a place to
sell milk and bread and toilet paper, so the old folks don't have to
drive into town. He hopes the pub will have a new life. He remembers it as a teenager. "The crowds would be five deep, back from the bar," he says. "More recently, half a dozen flat would be a busy night. "The
win has just given the place such a buzz, and a bit of vim," he says.
"That's why we're renaming it the Prince Of Penzance, at least for the
next year." Of course, Weir didn't come out of nowhere. Nor did he
get to where he is by knowing the gaskin from the hock and the pastern
from the fetlock. The Berriwillock locals know him as a horseman, but he is also a builder, and he has been building for some time. His
Forest Lodge facility outside Ballarat – fondly known as "Weir Town" –
is now the largest of its kind in Victoria. With another stable in
Warrnambool, his operation has a $14 million annual budget and is
constantly expanding – accumulating new horses, facilities and
employees. Seemingly everything he wins goes back into the
business, in service to the animal. Hang the cost – the price tag is
Mick Leonard's problem. Leonard, Weir's financial guru, describes
the renovation of a few horse boxes as a little example. Weir knocked
down old walls to create two boxes instead of four, so that each stall
could be twice as large. "And if he puts something new up and he
doesn't like it, he'll rip it right down again," says Leonard. "I've
seen him change designs four times. It always has to be right, and
better." Weir hired racing manager Jeremy Rogers five years ago to
help communicate with owners, realising he was "hopeless" at the
task. "But he can get horses to do things that few others can do,"
Rogers says. "That's his gift." His brain is apparently a thing to
behold – committing multiple schedules and horse flesh facts to memory.
At any moment he knows which horse is in which paddock, and what
they're eating. "He wants to know everything," Leonard says. "He misses nothing." Stories
of his generosity are legend. Leonard remembers a down-on-his-luck
country trainer who couldn't pay his feed bill, perhaps a few thousand
dollars. Weir quickly and quietly stepped in to reimburse the supplier. "Darren just wanted to get him back on his feet," says Leonard, "but he wouldn't want anyone to know." Rogers
stopped trying to pay for lunch or split the dinner bill long
ago. "I've put a $50 note in his hands so many times," he says, "but he
just drops them on the ground." Leonard says Weir engenders fierce
loyalty in all his staff – that he makes people proud of their work, as
if their contribution were integral. By the same token, if you cross
Darren Weir – if you fail him in your effort or honesty – there are no
second chances. "He's not a milksop," says Leonard. "He's no pushover." And
there's the paradox. Weir cultivates a relaxed country persona, but in
reality his practice is sophisticated and meticulous and, to an extent,
ruthless. He is a kid from the country, but he drives a pretty expensive
Jeep and keeps close watch over a slick business in a cut-throat
industry. "Darren Weir plays the boy from the bush well," says
Leonard, "but if you think that's all he is, then you'll undersell him
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 1:32pm
Bart type record already in the cup. I have him with six starters for a win, a fourth and a second.
I can see Australian Bloodstock switching from Kris Lees to him permanently now, especially after some of that group won with Dandino yesterday.
He is the one who could challenge Lee's cup record over the next twenty years!
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Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 1:50pm
2006 starters in the lat 12 months!! How many does he have in work?
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Posted By: deejays destiny
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 4:31pm
I think he has about 200 in work
140 odd at Ballarat
50 at Wangoom 10 at Yangery (McLean property)
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Posted By: Panto
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 4:51pm
Weir is a deadset freak. Love the bloke's ability to get all his horses at their top pace hitting the line. Best trainer in Australia IMO.
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Posted By: Letskeepithonest
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 9:29pm
Agreed has half the quality of the other big gun... super trainer.
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 12:08pm
He has some cracking nominations for this weekend at Sandown The ones I am keen to see are;
Puccini - ex kiwi having first start for him Lidari - first up from Moody Signoff - back from injury Lord Van Percy - back from a year off first start for Weir Master Zephyr - impressed with the first run in Aus, now joined the Weir team
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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 12:27pm
Not sure if his focus has shifted lately. He had a period 2 years ago where he was working wonders with some tried horses from other stables. Those types seem to have dried up, or not worked.
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Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 6:33pm
Fair to say Sub he's still doing that - Dandino being one of many - however off his own bat or through syndicators he has started to acquire a lot of yearlings in the last year
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 7:30pm
By the looks of it he also has a lot of new owners and syndicates sending him horses, I would think he would have close to 500 on the books (including yearlings and spelling)
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 8:02pm
Easily I'd guess Sky Dancer, he appears to be bursting at the seams having recently split up heaps of larger yards into much smaller with several new boxes & that's only at Miners Rest! He'd have no need to take on off casts unless he felt they could be viable. Loved his remark last Friday re. the chances of one in the last at Flem "She's lost a leg since she came to my stable, had really good form untill she got here" Went poorly again, mare in the last.
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Posted By: swanks
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 12:59pm
subastral wrote:
Not sure if his focus has shifted lately. He had a period 2 years ago where he was working wonders with some tried horses from other stables. Those types seem to have dried up, or not worked. |
Burning front has been pretty consistent since joining wier. He does have a few kicking around. And i love how he always just says he makes the horse happy with a change of scenery. What do the other trainers do? Stables, track, then a little paddock somewhere? Plain and bland. Like doing the same thing day in day out. No wonder i hate going to work😑
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Posted By: swanks
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 1:00pm
Gay3 wrote:
Easily I'd guess Sky Dancer, he appears to be bursting at the seams having recently split up heaps of larger yards into much smaller with several new boxes & that's only at Miners Rest! He'd have no need to take on off casts unless he felt they could be viable. Loved his remark last Friday re. the chances of one in the last at Flem "She's lost a leg since she came to my stable, had really good form untill she got here" Went poorly again, mare in the last.
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honest as the day is long👍
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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 5:12pm
Sworn Revenge wrote:
Fair to say Sub he's still doing that - Dandino being one of many - however off his own bat or through syndicators he has started to acquire a lot of yearlings in the last year |
Sorry, came out wrong. I meant more first up. They all just came out and won for him at their first start for a while. This year, he has had some really good ones come through that you thought would progress/ win fresh like Lady Sharapova, but they did diddly.
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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 7:57pm
mentioned in another thread how weir's horses look average in the coat - their parade appearance would actually turn you off if his record wasnt so good.
ive always been amazed at how strong his horses are through the line. they rarely fall in. with so many on his books, i guess he can construct a competitive stable.
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Posted By: Bi Carb
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 7:59pm
cabosanlucas wrote:
mentioned in another thread how weir's horses look average in the coat - their parade appearance would actually turn you off if his record wasnt so good.
ive always been amazed at how strong his horses are through the line. they rarely fall in. with so many on his books, i guess he can construct a competitive stable. |
Agree entirely. They look dry coated and light and little bloom. He seems have what it takes [in response to the topic header]
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Posted By: Bi Carb
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 8:03pm
That said , the management and placement of that many horses is extraordinary. How they keep track of them all and place them so well is amazing.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 11:28pm
As long as he keeps beating the International Champions, I say all power to him
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2015 at 7:41am
cabosanlucas wrote:
mentioned in another thread how weir's horses look average in the coat - their parade appearance would actually turn you off if his record wasnt so good.
ive always been amazed at how strong his horses are through the line. they rarely fall in. with so many on his books, i guess he can construct a competitive stable. |
Does that indicate that they spend too much time in most stables in preparing them like show ponies?
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2015 at 6:00pm
He sure does when he can return phone calls at 10PM!
https://www.facebook.com/geoff.neville.7?fref=ufi" rel="nofollow - Geoff Neville last
night about ten i tried to ring darren five minuites later the phone
rang he called back so i could talk to him gee you dont get that
from many busy foki do you
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2015 at 6:15pm
Interested to see what he can do with former Kiwi star, Puccini, who I note has his first start for the stable in The Eclipse on Saturday.
$26 seems skinny based on recent form, but taken, as well as $41 for Calvin Williams in the same race.
Note: Ms M Payne gets the ride on neither of them, however, Lloyd comes to the rescue and legs her up on one of his imports, Assign ... probably unders @$31, but could make a nice trifecta .
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 5:02pm
https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56" rel="nofollow - Lee Purchase added https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56/posts/10154314724927203" rel="nofollow - 2 new photos https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56/posts/10154314724927203" rel="nofollow - - - 32 mins · https://www.facebook.com/pages/Avoca-Victoria/104157279619997" rel="nofollow - Avoca, VIC · Just a couple of triallers today
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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 5:10pm
I noticed the nominations - if correct he had 43 there today.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 5:26pm
https://www.facebook.com/wendylee.potter?fref=ufi" rel="nofollow - Wendy Lee Potter Did you leave any stalls for anyone else lol?
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 5:30pm
without Weiry's support the clubs out west would go broke
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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 6:00pm
Gay, any idea what happens to the horses once they have left the Weir stable? Are they all found homes?
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 6:04pm
Gay will know better than me but I am pretty sure the girl who posted the photos Lee does all the rehoming.
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Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 8:21pm
You're right Skydancer and Lee does a fantastic job. Won't just give it to the first person whom sticks their hand up either.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 8:34pm
subastral wrote:
Gay, any idea what happens to the horses once they have left the Weir stable? Are they all found homes? |
https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56" rel="nofollow - Lee Purchase added https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56/posts/10154313291432203" rel="nofollow - 5 new photos . https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56/posts/10154313291432203" rel="nofollow - - - 20 hrs · https://www.facebook.com/pages/Miners-Rest-Victoria-Australia/109585129066721" rel="nofollow - Miners Rest, VIC · · https://www.facebook.com/feed/topics/pets?story_id=S%3A_I708002202%3A10154313291432203" rel="nofollow - Animals & Pets · https://www.facebook.com/feed/topics/parenting?story_id=S%3A_I708002202%3A10154313291432203" rel="nofollow - Parenting A very special boy for sale to only a very special home.. This 9 year old imported Galileo gelding standing around 16hh needs a beautiful semi retirement home.. He's been an absolutely amazing horse on the track winning nearly a million dollars even placing in a Melbourne cup.
He needs a big spell,to be spoilt rotten and will suit someone who'd
love to do a little adult riders, some natural horsemanship, trail
riding just basically some easy things that won't put pressure on his tired legs.. He is forward to ride but that's just the racehorse in him so he should be fine without the grain and high performance feed.. He's not a turnover proposition he's hopefully a forever friend to someone who'll appreciate his amazing career..
https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56?fref=ufi" rel="nofollow - Lee Purchase This amazing man now has a beautiful home.. Lovely paddock with 2 other retirees.. SOLD https://www.facebook.com/lee.purchase.56/posts/10154313291432203?comment_id=10154313350822203&comment_tracking=%7Btn%3AR9%7D" rel="nofollow - - 20 hrs
She posts regularly & they rarely last more than a few days & in this guys' case, only 20hrs as a retiree!
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 8:35pm
that sounds like At First Sight, glad to hear he is being looked after
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Posted By: Pardon_My_Dust
Date Posted: 31 May 2016 at 8:48pm
At First Sight didn't run a place in the Cup did it?
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 31 May 2016 at 8:59pm
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 31 May 2016 at 11:13pm
What's his name? ... no Gallileo's in the MC placings since Mahler in 2007, that I can see?
Gee, considering they win everything else o/s, it's amazing what a poor record they have out here, isn't it?
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 31 May 2016 at 11:44pm
I am still pretty sure the above horse is At First Sight, everything else adds up other than the bit about the cup.
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Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 12:14am
Not necessarily the nomenclature most here would use, but 10th is a place in the Cup... It has to be At First Sight based on the rest of the description.
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Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 12:14am
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 12:20am
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 9:34pm
That would be him djebel - - I had backed him e/w for a month leading ito that MC, and had him anchoring all of my exotics with the first 4 placegetters - had a big win on the tri in any case, but if he HAD run a place, I would have given him a home myself!!!
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Posted By: Spearmint
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 1:34am
It is At First Sight. I think what she meant to write was that it even ran 3rd in the English Derby. Which it did.
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Posted By: Spearmint
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 1:38am
Correction 2nd in the English Derby
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 1:49am
The most amazing thing about his career was that he won almost a million in prizemoney, and his only win was nondescript 2 yo maiden in Ireland, and he then raced on for almost 7 more years without a win!!!
I doubt there is one that could go close to matching that for the frustration factor!
Glad he's found a nice home, was it a bookie who bought him???
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Posted By: Pardon_My_Dust
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 8:49pm
BlackKnight wrote:
Not necessarily the nomenclature most here would use, but 10th is a place in the Cup... It has to be At First Sight based on the rest of the description. |
You learn something new every day! I saw her today & yes, it's At First Sight, he left on the float this morning for permanent retirement with others
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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 8:53pm
Treble today - Great trainer
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 9:23pm
treble and a half actually
296.5 winners for the year last season was 297.5
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 10:16pm
MK are both those figures for up to June 2 or is the 2nd what he reached for the season?
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Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 1:32am
Word of the day PMD
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 11:36am
Gay3 wrote:
MK are both those figures for up to June 2 or is the 2nd what he reached for the season?
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I can help with that,
last season his final tally Aug 1 - July 31 was 297.5
only one win off beating his last season at the moment J.Hawkes has the commonwealth record of 334 winners for the season. At this rate Weir will go very close.
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 4:35pm
Weir approaches historic markBY ADRIAN DUNN - http://www.twitter.com/@adriandunn2" rel="nofollow - @ADRIANDUNN2 19 hours ago https://www.g1x.com.au/news/racing" rel="nofollow - Horse Racing https://www.g1x.com.au/news/racing/weir-approaches-historic-mark#disqus_thread" rel="nofollow - Trainer Darren Weir. (Pic: Getty Images) Sometime before the weekend is over, maybe as early as Friday, Darren Weir will join the ‘300 club’, one of racing’s most exclusive clubs. After a quartet of winners – Praecereus, Torelli, Telopea and Stormcraft – on Thursday at Bendigo, Weir’s tally of winners this season moved to 297, one shy of his personal best set last season. And, with 21 runners, including three at Friday’s Geelong meeting, between Friday and Sunday, Weir is poised to not only set a new benchmark for himself, but to become only the third Australian trainer to reach 300 winners in a season. David Hayes was the first Australian trainer to reach the triple ton when he prepared 306 winners in 1991-92 season. Hayes’ record was eclipsed 11 years later when John Hawkes trained 334 winners. Both Hayes and Hawkes sit in Australian Racing’s Hall Of Fame. At the start of June, Weir needed to average just 21 winners in the final two months of the season to rest the title away from Hawkes. It now appears a matter of when, not if, the boy from Berriwillock, the tiny town in north-western Victoria, will set a new national training mark. Weir, whose stunning season is headlined by winning the Melbourne Cup with Prince Of Penzance, has three runners – Artie Dee Two, Maddie Moo Moo and Tenacitus – engaged on the synthetic surface at Geelong. He ramps up his assault on Saturday with 10 runners at Ladbrokes Park as well as Puccini in the G2 Eagle Farm Cup (2200m) at the re-opening of the Eagle Farm track. On Sunday, at Warrnambool and Pakenham, Weir will saddle up a further seven runners. Given the strength of the stable it would surprise if he did not train his 300th winner before the curtain falls on the weekend’s racing. Over the past five seasons, Weir has trained a stunning 1206 winners. Brad Rawiller, an integral part of Weir’s success, also moved to within one win of his 10th successive season where he has ridden a century of winners. Rawiller rode three of Weir’s winners - Praecereus, Telopea and Stormcraft - at Bendigo to push his season’s tally to 99. He has four rides at Geelong – Artie Dee Two and Tenacitus – for Weir and six rides at Ladbrokes Park with five Kenedna, Zandarral, Wish Come True, Something To Share and Sooboog for Weir.
ARTIE DEE TWO HAS SINCE WON THE FIRST AT GEELONG TODAY
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 6:01pm
Weir backs 'Boog to break bogeyHe's got 15 runners country-wide on Saturday and trainer https://www.racing.com/trainers/darren-weir" rel="nofollow - Darren Weir has pin-pointed his best chance, although he might excuse punters for not following him in on this occasion. https://www.racing.com/horses/sooboog" rel="nofollow - Sooboog has been tough to catch, but clearly has more talent than two wins from 12 starts suggests - and Weir is backing in the former https://www.racing.com/trainers/john-hawkes" rel="nofollow - Hawkes Racing galloper to pull out his best in the https://www.racing.com/form/2016-06-04/ladbrokes-park-hillside/race/8/" rel="nofollow - Ladbrokes Cash In Handicap (1300m) https://www.racing.com/form/2016-06-04/ladbrokes-park-hillside" rel="nofollow - at Sandown . Outside factors have played their part, but Sooboog's past seven starts have followed a yo-yo pattern - with runner-up results in the https://www.racing.com/form/2016-03-12/flemington/race/3/results" rel="nofollow - Listed Moomba Plate and https://www.racing.com/form/2016-05-07/morphettville/race/5/results" rel="nofollow - Group 2 Euclase Stakes interwoven with midfield finishes, most recently in the https://www.racing.com/form/2016-05-21/morphettville/race/7/results" rel="nofollow - Group 1 Goodwood . Weir did chuckle when putting his weight behind Sooboog as his best - acknowledging he hasn't been a punter-friendly horse - but he did turn the Snitzel colt's form around in his first start for the stable with a flashing-lights run in the Euclase. "He's definitely my best chance tomorrow, for sure," Weir told Racing.com's Racing Ahead on RSN 927. "He's drawn a little awkward [in barrier 12], but we'll know how the track's racing by then. "He definitely should've finished closer in The Goodwood, for sure. He just didn't have much luck. "He hasn't gone backwards, he's in the same order so hopefully that's good enough. "I'm a bit keen to ride him pretty quiet anyway, so I think he'll be hitting the line well." Sooboog is a https://crownbet.com.au/racing/horse-racing/sandown/20160604/race-8-304219-14863741" rel="nofollow - $4.40 chance with CrownBet . Weir has three runners entered in Stakes races at Eagle Farm, and with the predicted downpours set to hound the revamped track, he said https://www.racing.com/horses/shades-of-bella" rel="nofollow - Shades Of Bella (Listed Juanmo Stakes) is the only one of his trio with wet form. https://www.racing.com/horses/puccini-nz" rel="nofollow - Puccini is in the Group 2 Eagle Farm Cup (2200m), while G1 winner https://www.racing.com/horses/stratum-star" rel="nofollow - Stratum Star will look to get back into some form in the Group 2 QTC Cup (1300m). "Went terrible his first run up here [in Brisbane]," Weir said of the https://www.racing.com/form/2015-09-26/caulfield/race/8/results" rel="nofollow - Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes winner. "He certainly has improved a lot since then. He looks great. I saw him have a gallop yesterday morning, and he really stretched out really good. "The wet ground's a concern, I don't think he's going as well as he can go, but he's certainly improved a hell of a lot on his past few runs."
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 8:26pm
Can anyone refresh my memory? Wasn't there an "episode" a few years back @ Warrnambool where the stewards had issues with some of weirs horses in relation to a trainers bonus? I seem to recall they scratched a few of them under unusual circumstances
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