Needs Further Standing in Tasmania
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Topic: Needs Further Standing in Tasmania
Posted By: vontastic
Subject: Needs Further Standing in Tasmania
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2013 at 5:43pm
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ARMIDALE STUD ANNOUNCES EXCITING NEW STALLION 2013 Armidale Stud is delighted to announce the arrival of a new sire to stand the coming stud season. A highly talented galloper who won 3 of his 5 lifetime starts, before a joint issue curtailed his career, NEEDS FURTHER won accolades from all those associated with him. His trainer Gai Waterhouse said "He's a very exciting horse in the making.... This season he was to be my Doncaster horse. That's how highly I rate his ability as a racehorse." Andrew Baddock, Gooree Stud Manager, "From birth he was always a bit of a standout. He's a lovely big strong type and I have no doubt he can make the grade as a sire." NEEDS FURTHER only raced once at 2. Based on his impressive 53/4 length barrier trial win at Randwick two weeks earlier and Blake Shinn's pre-race comment to the press.."We think he is one of our (Waterhouse stable) top two year olds", the bookmakers installed him as an odds-on-favourite at his debut. He bungled the start badly missing vital lengths, but still managed to run third to subsequent 2 yo Group 1 winner SKILLED. Highly respected Sydney racing journalist Ken Callander wrote in the following Monday's "Daily Telegraph", "Forget it ran. After being used up, it was a big effort to finish close as he did." At 3 NEEDS FURTHER came out and won 3 races in a row, culminating in the AJC Group 3 Carbine Club Stakes 1600m at headquarters. His jockey Nash Rawiller was very upbeat after the impressive win, "This is a really serious horse." His emphatic win did not go unnoticed by a number of racing experts "....his Carbine Club win was impressive. VERY impressive" Practical Punting Monthly On the same day NEEDS FURTHER won his Group 3, super mare BLACK CAVIAR clocked up another of her great wins coming from behind to beat HAY LIST. That day "NEEDS FURTHER ran home quicker than BLACK CAVIAR with a final 200m in 11.93" ANZ Bloodstock Sectional Times Weekly. There is no doubt he was fast, had great acceleration and a will to win. The three horses that finished behind NEEDS FURTHER in the Carbine Club all went on to either win or place in Group 1 races. Trainer Gai Waterhouse was confident she had a Group 1 horse in the making, but unfortunately after two unsuccessful attempts to return him to the racetrack, a niggling joint issue finished his racing career. NEEDS FURTHER is bred in the purple by Champion Sire ENCOSTA DE LAGO, from a brilliant two year old daughter of DANEHILL, CROWNED GLORY who ran a very close second to Champion Filly BELLE DE JOUR in the Group 1 Golden Slipper Stakes. His second dam is by another Champion Sire and source of speed in BLETCHINGLY, and she is a half-sister to multiple Champion Sire ZABEEL. Such is their regard for NEEDS FURTHER , breeders Gooree Stud have retained breeding rights in the stallion. Gooree also bred Leading First Season Sire NORTHERN METEOR (also by ENCOSTA DE LAGO) who has taken all before him this season with 17 individual winners, including the exciting Group 1 winner ROMANTIC TOUCH, as well as the Chris Waller trained Group 2 winner ZOUSTAR. David Whishaw from Armidale Stud commented on the new stallion acquisition. "We have been on the lookout for a replacement for our very successful sire SAVOIRE VIVRE (GB), and have been conscious that the market demands precocious types. We have been offered a number of potential stallions in the past 12 months, but this is the only horse that really got us excited, and ticked all our boxes. NEEDS FURTHER quite obviously had tons of ability, plus he has a brilliant pedigree, and is a lovely big strong horse with loads of presence. If he throws foals like himself, they will be standouts in the sale ring. NORTHERN METEOR (also by Encosta de Lago) has had the most amazing first season (and remember he didn't even race as a two year old and only had 9 lifetime starts!). " NEEDS FURTHER is expected to arrive at Armidale next week. His service fee for his first season at stud will be $3300. For further details contact, Robyn Whishaw 0419100634 David Whishaw 0407868269 Kind Regards Robyn Whishaw robyn@armidalestud.com.au Armidale Pty ltd, P O Box 318, Carrick, Tasmania 7291, AUSTRALIA Unsubscribe | Change Subscriber Options |
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Posted By: vontastic
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2013 at 5:51pm
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Robyn emailed info to myself and I decided to post here. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2013 at 6:03pm
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2013 at 7:48pm
| That's a decent price should get a few mares one would think. |
Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2013 at 7:51pm
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Agree Brad, particularly with him hailing from the immediate female family of Zabeel. ------------- It's hard to soar with eagles... Cheers |
Posted By: songline
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2013 at 12:46am
| There was a post a few months back, some one asking about a stallion to replace BREAK THE VAULT -Needs Further is probably a good replacement |
Posted By: vontastic
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2013 at 5:52pm
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$20,000 BONUS FOR BREEDING INDUSTRY NEED FURTHER CONVINCING TO BREED AT ARMIDALE THIS SEASON? ARMIDALE STUD is delighted to announce two highly attractive breeders incentive bonuses for its exciting new stallion NEEDS FURTHER who commences stud duties at Armidale this Spring. The Gooree Stud bred entire by twice Champion Sire ENCOSTA DE LAGO (sire of Champion First Season sire NORTHERN METEOR) from the Group 1 Slipper runner up and daughter of DANEHILL, CROWNED GLORY, won 3 of his 5 lifetime starts for trainer Gai Waterhouse, including an impressive win in Group 3 Carbine Club Stakes over 1600m at Randwick. David Whishaw revealed a total of $20,000 in breeders bonuses will be up for grabs, with $10,000 to be paid out to breeder of the first METROPOLITAN race winner by NEEDS FURTHER, and another $10,000 to be paid out to the breeder of the first STAKES winner by him. Whishaw commented, "The owners of NEEDS FURTHER want to reward those breeders who support him with some incentives. These bonuses are a tantalising incentive for local breeders to leave their mares here in Tasmania, as well as making it worthwhile for interstate breeders to send their mares to NEEDS FURTHER, especially when they consider we have him priced at a fee of just $3,300. We've had a bit of a look around at what other new stallions are going to stud in Australia this season and we feel for a stallion with his breeding and racetrack ability he has to be the best value for money stallion of 2013." For further details on NEEDS FURTHER and the bonus scheme please contact David or Robyn Whishaw at Armidale Stud. David 0407868269 david@armidalestud.com.au Robyn 0419100634 robyn@armidalestud.com.au |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2013 at 10:27pm
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went to Armidale Stud today as they had Needs Further and Tough Speed both on show. Needs Further is an impressive looking individual. Tough Speed too. Congratulations to Robyn and David on a well organised day. Plenty of services being booked on the day too. |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 11:10am
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Good Pedigree, had problems and had to be retired however won a group 3 in the process. I am looking for a hidden message or answer that may not exist but what do you think. I have never seen a photo of Needs Further in the traditional stance of a stallion or the way they market them today even on the studs website. Is there a hidden message there that the stallion is not that well conformed? To the untrained eye his legs don't look that good to me. I was going to send my mare to him providing she can swim across the Tasman with me in her back. Why is he not standing on the mainland have the good judges put a line through him due to his injury problems which I am am I turn linking to possible confirmation problems. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 11:35am
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Posted By: JoH
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 11:52am
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Why is he not standing on the mainland have the good judges put a line through him due to his injury problems which I am am I turn linking to possible confirmation problems. Maybe I'm missing something here too Danewinner but my guess as to why this horse is standing in Tassie is simply that Armidale felt he met their current and future breeding program, that his pedigree was a good and commercially sound fit and they put their hand in their pocket and bought him. As to any real (or imagined) conformation 'issues' ... I've never seen the horse, nor do I know the people at Armidale but IF he were to have 'issue' no horse and I do mean no horse is perfect. Also please remember that what you may see as a deal breaker someone else will see as a minor hiccup. As to how a horse is presented in photos ... some will stand in the traditional TB pose and other people may prefer a more 'arty' or action picture. If you're thinking about using any horse I would suggest you either ask for some pictures to be taken and emailed to you or (and this would be my preferred option) you go to the stud and see the horse in person. It might seem a bit old-school but if I am thinking of sending a mare anywhere I need to see where she's going and who (and how) she would be looked after ... I can't find that out via a website or telephone call. just sayin... ------------- suck it up ... Life isn't run at w.f.a. :) |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 12:55pm
I believe Armidale have a great reputation for professionalism including mares going home in better condition than they arrived. Didn't they stand Savoir Vivre? I know some members have had dealing with them & will perhaps add their opinions when they spot the thread 
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Posted By: JoH
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 1:54pm
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I believe Armidale have a great reputation for professionalism including mares going home in better condition than they arrived. Didn't they stand Savoir Vivre? To the best of my knowledge that would be a 'yes' on both counts.  ------------- suck it up ... Life isn't run at w.f.a. :) |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2014 at 3:34pm
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absolute pleasure to deal with. have worked so hard to get our older mare in foal both times. the first time they were so excited that you wouldve thought she was their mare. |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 10:41am
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I started a thread today to ask why needs further is standing in Tasmania. I read tonight my thread has been added as a comment to the Needs Further stands in Tasmania thread. My post centred around Why? Why didn't the mainland buy this horse considering pedigree and racetrack ability. I have not seen the horse in a traditional stallion pose even on studs website. As we know he had leg concerns whilst racing. What do the good judges on thisForum think. Has he been snubbed by mainland Studs due to confirmation problems? |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 10:54am
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There's no conspiracy Danewinner, and quite a few relevant issues are indeed covered in the initial thread. The bottom line is is probably two-fold imo: a. horses with two restricted metro wins and one Gp 3 win over 1600m will rarely find themselves on a genuinely commercial stud on the mainland irrespective of their breeding nor serve large or quality books; and b.it was Armidale that stumped up the cash. |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 11:20am
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Second Chance, I hear you when you say some issues were covered in the original post. This is the stallion I selected for my mare and find it hard to believe that he is not standing on the mainland therefore raised the question as to why. In my opinion a totally different subject thread as to the original where he is standing. Maybe an experienced form visitor may know something we others don't and are willing to share. As for you won't find many horses who have won a group3 at major studs Eliza Park International have announced they are standing Fighting Sun who only won a listed race. Don't get me wrong I am not disagreeing with you only suggesting maybe things are changing a little were bigger studs are starting to look for better value. Good luck to Armadale Stud if Needs Further is free of any glaring confirmation issues or problems because if he is in my opinion: He will be the one that got away! |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 12:37pm
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dont think there is too much wrong with him Danewinner. he covered 70 mares down here in his first season. this was the most covered in Tassie with Wordsmith i believe 2nd at 55 ? pretty good numbers considering how few mares are being mated in Tassie. Im not sure but approximately 450 mares are covered a year but i would think that could be down at the moment.... |
Posted By: breadnbutter
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 1:03pm
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Needs Further was advertised for months and months and not bites! For memory i reckon 60k would have bought him. In a climate where 'commercial stallions' are traded for $10's-of-millions i think that put his future prospects in relative terms. I can find some positives about him but would i breed to him???... abolutely 100% NO!!! as it would be money down the toilet!
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Posted By: breadnbutter
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 1:05pm
| Further to that... i say that knowing he will prob leave a handy horse somewhere, sometime but almost all stallions will |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 1:50pm
What I suggested was just a little different but importantly so; ie "horses with two restricted metro wins and one Gp 3 win over 1600m will rarely find themselves on a genuinely commercial stud on the mainland irrespective of their breeding nor serve large or quality books". And the comparison with Fighting Sun probably proves my point, as it's clear that people (for better or worse) are far more likely to go with a precocious, unbeaten 2yo Listed winner and an early favorite for the Slipper than the winner of a 1600m Carbine Club Stakes. ps I still see no reason whyNeeds further wouldn't be a success in Tassie. pss Fighting Sun was raced by Eliza Park International so little surprise to se them give him a chance at stud |
danewinner wrote:Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 3:01pm
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Last Saturday at Randwick, the first race on the first day of the new look Sydney Autumn Carnival, now called The Championships may have unearthed a true Championship contender for the 2014-2015 season. Remember this name - Hallowed Crown.
Bred and raced by Eduardo Cojuangco's Gooree Stud, and trained by James and Bart Cummings, the beautifully bred 2yo colt Hallowed Crown, by Steet Sense out of Danehill mare Crowned Glory, had scored impressively on debut seventeen days earlier with a comfortable 1 ¼ length victory over 1150m at Randwick/Kensington. Lining up for start number two in Saturday's $200,000 Group 3 ATC Kindergarten Stakes, the big step up from a Maiden to Black-Type company would usually find out most lightly raced horses, however, in Hallowed Crown's case, his win over the 1100m was even more exciting than his debut win. A delighted James Cummings when interviewed post-race enthused, "He's a real athlete and a real professional and he loves to absorb the race day experience. We saw that two weeks ago when he won on the Kensington track on debut. We aimed at this race ever since and even though he looks like a horse that will keep getting better over further, quality goes a long way. He wanted to attack the line. This horse will be a real carnival horse for the next few years to come I think."
Hallowed Crown's Group 3 Randwick win so early in his career would have come as little surprise to David and Robyn Whishaw of Tasmania's famed Armidale Stud. You see they stand Hallowed Crown's half-brother Needs Further (by Encosta De Lago), a horse who also rose quickly from a Maiden win at his second start to a Group 3 Randwick win at his fourth start in the AJC Carbine Club Stakes (1600m), a race in which he defeated Group 1 horses Happy Trails, Shadows in the Sun and Divorces. On retiring Gai Waterhouse stated "Needs Further was a quality colt from day one. He was a natural talent that found galloping easy. It took Group 1 winner Skilled to beat him on debut at two. At three he won the Group 3 Carbine Club, and this season he was to be my Doncaster Handicap horse. That's how highly I rate his ability as a racehorse." No one could question Gai in respect of knowing what type of horse it takes to win a Doncaster, she's won seven of them! Gai added, "He is a tremendous physical and I urge all breeders to inspect Needs Further in the flesh. Seeing is believing." Very high praise from the Australian Racing Hall of Fame inductee. It is now apparent Gai's words did not fall on deaf ears. When Armidale announced their new stallion acquisition to breeders in mid-2013 the phone rang hot. At season's end Needs Further had covered 70 mares, making him Tassie's most popular sire in 2013. Some of quality mares tested in foal to Needs Further include: · Caralowe (by Hennessy) - dam of Melbourne & Adelaide Group 3 winning 2yo Triple Asset ($267,000 earnings). · Queen's Own (by Coronation Day) - dam of one of Tasmania's best ever race mares, the $1.1 million earner Lady Lynette. · Regal Heights (by Zabeel) - dam of multiple Sydney & Melbourne Group placegetter Queenstown ($333,000 earnings). · Wexford (by Weasel Clause) - Group 3 winner of the VRC St Leger. · Oceans (by Fastnet Rock) - Sydney winner from the family of 5 times G1 winner Theseo. · Buzzing Along (by Tough Speed) - stakes placed winner of 4 Metropolitan races. · Satin Choice (by Redoute's Choice) - Melbourne winner. · Gehenna (by Ladoni) - a stakes winning 2yo who has already produced 4 Metropolitan winners in Victoria and Tasmania.
Armidale Stud's David Whishaw commented, "We are very much looking forward to the arrival of Needs Further's first foals this Spring. He's a lovely strong athletic horse, with a super temperament. If he can throw stock like himself then we will be over the moon."
The undefeated Hallowed Crown's recent Randwick successes will have done little to dampen the enthusiasm of both Armidale Stud and Needs Further's 2013 season supporters. In fact it's hard to wipe the smile off their faces at present. Roll on Spring 2014. For more information please contact Armidale Stud David Whishaw 0407 868 269 david@armidalestud.com.au Robyn Whishaw 0419 100 634 robyn@rmidalestud.com.au www.needsfurther.com.au |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 3:36pm
The new thread has again been merged with the old, which is extremely time consuming. There is no need whatsoever to create new threads, when a simple post will achieve the same result. Whilst I love the horse as a breed to race option, he's not exactly Black Caviar or Frankel & members find it far easier to access the information they're after, when it's contained in the one thread  ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 5:15pm
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Gay I'm reminded of that famous Billie Holliday song "Time on my Hands". Another reason I suspect the Whishaw's were attracted to Needs Further is the fact that he's by Encosta De Lago. They together with other Tasmanian breeders have any number of mares by Savoire Vivre, and any mating of NF with a SV mare would result in siblings Fairy King and Sadlers Wells 3 x 3, Fairy Bridge and Nureyev 4 x 4 x 5, and the proven His Majesty/Graustark cross 5 x 5. There are far worse ways of trying to breed winners. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 5:24pm
Bloody beautiful isn't it?  I've recommended a friend with a Spinning World mare head to him as she has Lalun on the dam side too . Another has Lady Gizelle (Savabeel), S'royal & Lalun, this is why I reckon he'll be so well suited to a vast number of mares . I'm still on the P plates & even I can see that 
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Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 10:15pm
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Second Chance, Not sure if Fighting Sun was favourite for the slipper I thought Earthquake was always favourite. Gay, I understand Needs Further is not Frankel or Black Caviar although I don't see the relevance either. I started a polo opposite thread and on reflection I think the thread should be left as a unique thread. Let's look at it from your angle. Thread: Frankel stands at Darley. Another Thread: Why is Frankel standing at Darley he only has three legs. Subject horse the same totally different threads. A new subject gains attention from all forum visitors if it is a major point and a polo opposite subject on the same subject matter that is why I posted in my opinion no need to link. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2014 at 11:02pm
| Gay and Second Chance after doing the studbook rounds it shows there are 25 S.V. Broodmares of which at this point 4 have gone to N.F. The two better ones being Red Willow and Si Vite..... |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 10:22am
Gay, Just did a couple of test posts. I didn't realise when you made a post it goes to the top thought it stayed in it's original position therefore not as many look at it. Next time will link to original subject as per bosses instructions.   All good then  |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 11:23am
| Anyone know roughly how much it would cost to take your mare from Victoria to Tasmania and back? |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 11:38am
I've forgotten but do know it was cheaper than expected about 5yrs ago, maybe $300  but I'm pretty sure Armidale pay one way for Vic mares & possibly others do too
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: early4lunch
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 12:43pm
| $500+ and you need to get your mare to Oaklands Junction. Multiply it by two to get back. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 1:09pm
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Is that with Vern?
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 1:25pm
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its around 500 each way. Vern Poke and Tasmanian Horse Transport do the trip. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 2:00pm
Danewinner you are really starting to p1ss me off. First you misrepresent what I suggested about the commercial value of a Gp 3 winner over 1600m. Next you quibble about my comment that Fighting Sun was one of the early Slipper favs, which he indeed was given his win in the Canonbury was well noted by bookmakers and was before Earthquake won the Blue Diamond. Those apart from other complaints to moderators etc. Imo if you want to seek peoples' opinions or advice on here you'd do well to read, listen and hopefully learn rather than take issue with virtually every response that people are kind enough to offer. |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 2:34pm
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Second Chance, If you read your own early thread you stated Fighting Sun was an early slipper favorite. Now your saying in bold he was 'one of the Slipper favorites'. Not sure how stupid you think people are but to try and get away with that old chestnut really! You are clearly saying two different things. Now if you got it wrong I suggest you are pissing yourself off. Personally I don't care if he was or wasn't just stated I didnt think he was favourite. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 3:03pm
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I said a Slipper favorite, not the Slipper favorite. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 4:10pm
Aay!!!! There's enough serious stuff to squabble over w'out disputing exactly at what stage or position in the market an early Slipper favourite was. Pedantic nuances can be pursued via PM if need be  The breeding forums rarely need moderating, as most either agree or agree to disagree, so please maintain this vein where possible. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 9:04pm
I didn't take issue merely pointed out a mistake I said I didn't think Fighting Sun was favourite for the Golden Slipper. Wow that's controversial stuff. The two stallions in question obviously didn't achieve their best on the track. Therefore when comparing the two horses as possible future stallion choices the surrounding facts become more important at least to me. If I decide to go to a stallion who was favourite for the slipper I would be satisfied to take that chance and that is taking into account that the horse didn't even run in the race. May have run stone motherless. If the horse was second or third favourite 'No Way' remembering it didn't run and all you have to go by is Gai Waterhouses account of the horse. The facts are very important nothing to do with as quibbling as you call it. |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 9:23pm
That is way better than I thought. I was thinking about 3k. That's good news thanks SD. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 9:47pm
| no probs Danewinner. i have brought mares across a few times and that has been the charge. either of the two i mentioned will deliver you mare safe and sound and she would be well looked after at Armidale. i have sent 4 mares there and they have all come back in top condition and its obvious they have been well looked after. drenching, farrier etc all done and there has never been a problem. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 10:13pm
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Danewinner going back to the original question of why he is down here. if you go back through Tasmanian stallion history you will find that there have been many good stallions. i have really only been involved properly within the industry for around 5 years but some of the other people on the site would be able to come up with examples of very good stallions down here. i am led to believe that for example there were decent offers from NSW for Sav but Armidale felt it important to keep him here to benefit the state. El Moxie i am also led to believe was snapped up and taken to the mainland. as you would be aware from time to time some pretty decent horses come from down here and do well on the mainland. we are very lucky to get the stallions at the price we do but $4400 is the maximum charged down here due to lesser prizemoney. i dont know of another capital city that races for prizemoney of $12,500 .- maybe Darwin? so you see quite often the value with the stallions can be good. if you get one good enough to make it to the mainland and you pick up a win you have done very well - Ladoni - Lady Lynette, Wealthy Lad. ($2750) . Sav - Whose your daddy, Life to the full, The Cleaner, With Decorum, ($4400). Tough Speed - Banca Mo, Black n Tuff, West Quest - Barysh Quest, Dream Pedlar ($4400)etc etc... |
Posted By: danewinner
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 11:06pm
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SD, Thanks for the info. The general consensus is that Armidale is a quality stud with good customer service which is very good to know and to know your mare will be properly looked after is invaluable to some owners. Reading your posts I gather you may be based in TAS. What appeared to be impossible may indeed be possible. Cheers. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2014 at 11:34pm
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no probs Danewinner. yes i live down here. bol with your mare... |
Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2014 at 12:26am
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Armidale brought Needs Further across to Vic for the Stallion Parade at Oaklands last August. I thought he was a most impressive horse, big and strong. A casual glance didn't indicate much wrong with him, but I didn't look closely. Just a great basic impression, I loved him. In reference of why he wasn't on the mainland - well he was sold PRIOR to Northern Meteor firing up, and at that particular point you couldn't give away an Encosta son. Oh...and Fighting Sun probably would have been Slipper favourite before he went wrong IF a market was out that early. Very impressive and very highly touted at the time. Academic now. But remember - at the time NF was son of a sire you couldn't give away stallion prospects by - and FS is a son of a freak who is dead so they don't make them any longer. Huge difference in appeal to a stallion owner. If you think Needs Further suits your mare danewinner I would go for it! ------------- www.snowshoecats.webs.com |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 6:55pm
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Well there you go. Needs Furthers 3yo half brother just makes it 4 from 4 winning the group one Golden Rose from barrier 14. did it 3 and 4 wide all the way round. pretty bloody impressive. might be time to get a mare over to Armidale..... |
Posted By: The Polar Bear Waltz
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 7:19pm
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Was up there not too long ago. Armidale is a magnificent property, and they are a credit to the breeding industry and Tasmania. Horses by their stallions have been Mel. Cup placed, won a Caulfield Cup, and may hopefully get a Cox Plate this year, as well as producing many good horses. Well worth coming over for a look danewinner, they are lovely people who look after their animals extremely well and have always been at the forefront of breeding crosses with what are considered inexpensive stallions. ------------- Our strawberries seem to go best with manure on them. |
Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 9:47pm
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Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 10:11pm
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 10:29pm
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 11:42pm
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thanks Gay... ------------- Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes... |
Posted By: Vincent
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 7:06pm
Well with duck feet his stock should "swim" in the heavy down South. However on a more serious note there'll hopefully be an understandable spike in interest in him following the Golden Rose. ------------- honi soit qui mal y pense |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 12:43am
| AS an old pollie "ranga" used to say "Please Explain" .Duck footed is a term I've never heard of |
Posted By: Vincent
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 9:09am
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Walks like Charlie Chaplin. ------------- honi soit qui mal y pense |
Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:23pm
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You there Slowdown? ------------- Jim |
Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:25pm
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You there Slowdown? ------------- Jim |
Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:27pm
R....That's better, you there Slowdown? ------------- Jim |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:30pm
| Please make your point Hogan, lest we take you for a useless contibutor. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:31pm
| Make that useless contributor. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:46pm
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give Paul a break. he is new and just learning the ropes. this place can be a bit confusing for a newbie. speaking from experience.  ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:53pm
| hi Paul. how can i help |
Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 10:21pm
Sorry slowdown new to the forum as the polite Acacia pointed out. I think I accidently sent you a message to your private messages not sure how still working on that one. ------------- Jim |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 10:09pm
| dropped our mare off today. hopefully she takes and we get a beauty |
Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2014 at 10:14pm
| Good luck Slowdown |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2014 at 6:26am
| Cheers Whitto, all going well there and fertility rate is great. I believe his numbers are going well. 70 mares last year and from what I am told above that this year. that should give him a good chance to prove his worth.... |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2014 at 8:23pm
| Sh'bourne Bel positive 18 days today. another ten days til we hear about sh'bourne kahlua..... |
Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 10:26am
  ------------- TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round. |
Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 10:28am
------------- TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round. |
Posted By: Geraldo
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 10:29am
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He always stands the same way. I'm too ignorant to know whether that is usual for horses. ------------- TBV - where it is the Silly Season all year round. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 10:35am
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just the way the handlers stand them up to pose them at their best. check out most stallion pics and they all are basically the same. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: JoH
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 11:52am
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AA is correct Geraldo that is the currently preferred way to stand TB horses for photos ... TB's want you to be able to see all legs, Arabians are stood with front legs square and either split or square (level) behind. Morgans are different again ... google some breeds and check out show pics ... many different views. FWIW, how a horse is stood up and the angle from which a pic it taken can signifcantly alter/affect how that horse looks ... slightly stretched, head high will 'assist' a poor topline, slightly sloping ground can 'assist' a horse that is rump high/low or suffers from ducks disease etc. It goes without saying the pics of Needs Further are no frills honest shots. ------------- suck it up ... Life isn't run at w.f.a. :) |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2014 at 9:33pm
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with Joh 100% on those photographic tips. now you wanna see a stand out stand up pose on a horse, check out the Tennessee Walking Horses. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2015 at 9:00pm
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Shbourne Kahlua also confirmed in foal to Needs Further. happy days. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2015 at 6:24pm
Half brother Hallowed Crown does it again. rse Form
http://www.risa.com.au/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?HorseCode=NDQ4MjIzNjIy&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDI5ODE2MjQ4NA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Recent Form
http://www.risa.com.au/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Embargoes.aspx?HorseCode=NDQ4MjIzNjIy&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDI5ODE2MjQ4NA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Embargoes
http://www.risa.com.au/FreeServices/HorseSearch_GearChanges.aspx?HorseCode=NDQ4MjIzNjIy&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDI5ODE2MjQ4NA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Gear Changes
http://www.risa.com.au/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Ratings_Flats.aspx?HorseCode=NDQ4MjIzNjIy&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDI5ODE2MjQ4NA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Ratings
http://www.risa.com.au/InteractiveForm/HorseEngagement.aspx?HorseCode=NDQ4MjIzNjIy&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDI5ODE2MjQ4NA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Noms | Wgts | Accs
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2015 at 6:25pm
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2015 at 9:19pm
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o Need to Go Further
Tara Madgwick - Wednesday, 2 September 2015
When
Armidale Stud moved to secure this lightly raced, blue-blooded, Group III
winning son of Encosta de Lago in 2013, nobody could have predicted what a coup
it would be for the Tasmanian breeding industry.The stars have aligned for http://www.needsfurther.com.au/index.php/foal-gallery/" rel="nofollow - Needs Further and what looked like a good investment by the Whishaw family, may well in fact be a great one.  In the time since his purchase, Encosta de Lago has gone from strength to strength as a sire of sires through the deeds of Northern Meteor and Manhattan Rain, while his half-brother Hallowed Crown established himself as one of the best three year-olds in the country.  Needs Further This time last year, the Bart and James Cummings trained Gooree Stud homebred Hallowed
Crown was starting his meteoric rise to the top of the tree with brilliant wins
in the Group III ATC Run to the Rose and $1million Group I Golden Rose.He returned in the autumn to win the Group I ATC Randwick Guineas and is now embarking on his first season at stud with Darley in the Hunter Valley at a fee of $33,000. Even without Hallowed Crown in the picture, Needs Further was popular in his debut year at Armidale covering 70 mares at a fee of $3,300, but last spring that number rose significantly to 88 off the back of his famous sibling. Needs Further and Hallowed Crown are from Gooree Stud’s Group III winning Golden Slipper place-getter Crowned Glory, a daughter of champion sire Danehill (USA). Her next two dams are by Bletchingly and Nureyev, with third dam Lady Giselle, gaining international fame and fortune as the dam of champion sire Zabeel. This is a premium mainland pedigree through and through, which explains the tremendous interest in Needs Further, not only from Tasmanian breeders, but also those from further afield. Well credentialed sons of Encosta de Lago have been targeted by some of the most astute studs in the country with Coolmore launching Rubick (service fee $17,600) this year and Newhaven Park getting ready to sell the first yearlings by their young sire Delago Deluxe (service fee $11,000) in 2016. Needs Further has the pedigree and race performance to be comparable with either, yet stands at a fraction of the fee. His first stunning foals last spring delighted breeders ( http://www.needsfurther.com.au/index.php/foal-gallery/" rel="nofollow - click here to see them ), so it’s now full steam ahead for Needs Further, who has the potential to make a huge impact for Tasmania and beyond. For more information on Needs Further contact David Whishaw on 0407 868269 or by email mailto:david@armidalestud.com.au" rel="nofollow - david@armidalestud.com.au ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 5:35pm
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nice two year old trial winner today by Needs Further. https://tasracing.com.au/replays/31102016-thoroughbreds-longford-trial/#race-3" rel="nofollow - https://tasracing.com.au/replays/31102016-thoroughbreds-longford-trial/#race-3 ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 6:38pm
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Posted By: Rosscoe
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 9:03pm
Very impressive mate! 🐴🐴👍👍 ------------- Current Stable - Soul Star & Adivinar + Lady Vega |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2016 at 9:34pm
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yes i reckon Armidale would be wrapped Mate. ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: Ammy42
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2016 at 11:16am
| First runner, first winner--gotta be happy with that! |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2016 at 11:24am
| Quite like the pedigrees of the other two Needs Further int he race so hopefully they can also win in the future. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2016 at 12:56pm
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:04am
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:26am
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Has Tasmania had 800m 2yo races in the past? Or is it relatively a new thing? I know i've seen a couple of them in New Zealand. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 1:10pm
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Not too many. I believe the original record was set in a trial ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 2:34pm
Makes it two starts from 2. short priced fav wins by 2 lengths. two Wordsmiths in 2nd and 3rd.
http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?HorseCode=NDMxOTg0MjgwMjY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=ODc0NzE2NDIxODA%3d" rel="nofollow - http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseAllForm.aspx?HorseCode=NDMxOTg0MjgwMjY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=ODc0NzE2NDIxODA%3d" rel="nofollow - http://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Embargoes.aspx?HorseCode=NDMxOTg0MjgwMjY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=ODc0NzE2NDIxODA%3d" rel="nofollow - http://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_GearChanges.aspx?HorseCode=NDMxOTg0MjgwMjY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=ODc0NzE2NDIxODA%3d" rel="nofollow - http://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Ratings_Flats.aspx?HorseCode=NDMxOTg0MjgwMjY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=ODc0NzE2NDIxODA%3d" rel="nofollow - http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseEngagement.aspx?HorseCode=NDMxOTg0MjgwMjY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=ODc0NzE2NDIxODA%3d" rel="nofollow - | T 1st of 5 | http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NDQyNzU3Nzg3NDI%3d#Race3" rel="nofollow - | 1st of 8 | http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NDQyNjUyNTM2MDQ%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - | 1st of 6 | http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NDQyNjUzMzEwNTg%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 6:27pm
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I'm sure Armidale never expected NF to throw 2yo winners let alone pre Xmas. Having seen him in the flesh he's a belting type so excited about what he may do as a sire ------------- It's only called gambling when you lose |
Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 6:33pm
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https://tasracing.com.au/blacker-eyes-feature-races-star-2yo-il-regalo/" rel="nofollow - https://tasracing.com.au/blacker-eyes-feature-races-star-2yo-il-regalo/ ------------- It's only called gambling when you lose |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 8:28pm
 ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 3:03am
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I'd imagine the book of mares he would've gotten would be soo strong in tassie, that he'd throw some 2yo's even if that's not his thing. It could also be a sign his going to be a boom as a sire. Question - Has a sire ever started in TAS, but moved to the mainland due to his success? Has there been any interest in bringing Wordsmith over to VIC etc? I'd assume even if there was, the Geard's would keep him anyway? They are a bit weird, content to dominate TAS racing, but never send any horses to the mainland. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:04am
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El Moxie was here then went to Victoria Beliskner. Wordy was courted by a mainland stud but the Geard's wanted to leave him here for Tassie breeding. the offer I understand was huge but the put Tassie first. they have raced a couple on the mainland for 2 seconds at the valley. I reckon you may see them over again after the carnival. I expect they would have been a little disappointed with GG double dee yesterday. finished 5th I think in the 3 year old race. they still have good performers and up and comers so overall they should pick up some good races. ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 10:50am
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Needs Further Filly Goes Two for Two
Tara Madgwick - Monday, 28 November 2016
Encosta de Lago's reputation as a sire of sires looks like being enhanced by his handsome Tasmanian based son Needs Further, whose promising filly Il Regalo made it two wins in as many starts at Hobart on Sunday. 
Needs Further She continued the good work in the open juvenile event over 900 metres, dashing away to win by two lengths as a hot favourite. A Gooree Stud homebred, Needs Further won the Group III ATC Carbine Club Stakes and is a sibling to dual Group I winner Hallowed Crown, who stands at Darley in the Hunter Valley. Il Regalo is the first winner for winning King of Kings (IRE) mare Your Call, who comes from a European family featuring dual Group I winner La Collina. Your Call was one of 70 mares covered by Needs Further in his first season, the powerful bay standing at a fee of $3,300. ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 4:50pm
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Thanks for information Slowdown. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:50pm
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no worries ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 11:58am
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Sh'Bourne Spirit confirmed 16 days in foal to Ned. continuing with her trackwork. ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 8:07am
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Congrat Shaun, well do e old boy? |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 8:31am
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thanks Goldey. ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2016 at 9:06am
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Umagold to be covered today. ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 8:58pm
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Second winner tonight. Nice win by 2 and did some work early ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 9:07pm
The winner showed huge improvement from her debut with 2 additional trials and the step up to 1100. Like a number of your mares Showdown I'm very happy our mare was served by him! ------------- It's only called gambling when you lose |