How I lost faith in religion
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Topic: How I lost faith in religion
Posted By: RED HUNTER
Subject: How I lost faith in religion
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 11:48am
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I was born an Anglican and as you all know it is a rather lazy religion.
As a child I always respected the CATHOLICS. They seemed so holy and if I married a Catholic I would have happily converted. I can't believe the blind faith still shown today. Catholics can't use condoms,have sexual feelings for extended others yet those that preach are so unreliably trusted now. Do the priests use condoms when they prey on the little? The Catholics today and other religions have become a base for easy income and sexual deviants. MONEY AND SEX AND POWER I keep wondering if GOD truly existed would he allow leaders within a CHURCH abuse children. .................and that it why I've lost my faith. I will plod along as best as I can and avoid the potential paedophiles. I don't hold religious leaders in high regard. As dirty a name as telling somebody you did make a living out of gambling. Last night on ABC they stated the Royal Commission will have cases for Catholic Leader indiscretions six times more than all the the other religions put together. |
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Posted By: jayzaa
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 12:08pm
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I lost it when the priest backhanded me for throwing the basketball the wrong way. Called me stupid, which is probably true, but I had never played the game before. ------------- www.keffelstein.com gotta live the dream |
Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 12:18pm
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Red Hunter, its okay to lose faith in a Pope, or a Priest. They are merely men, dressed up in a uniform. But dont lose faith in Jesus. Son of God. And dont lose faith in God. He is almighty. Keep your faith in God and the power of prayer. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 12:26pm
I am agnostic. The fact or idea that she sits back and does nothing while evil prospers, if she does exist she can stick it where the sun does not shine in mere mortals. Tell her to get of her ass and clean the place up. She needs to prove herself. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
BROOKE wrote:Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 7:35pm
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Part of our greatest test, is to forgive evil and let love conquer. "our enemies are throwing sticks, we shall throw back bread" |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 7:46pm
And the right wing religious fanatics are the first to condemn asylum seekers. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 7:55pm
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 8:04pm
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 8:44pm
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 9:09pm
love conquers all. just ask the hippies of my generation .  love man !  didnt you practice free love then, oneonesit ????  who needs priests if we do the right thing by all our fellow men and women ? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: mowie
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 10:18pm
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god has been showed up not to be real, they can trace our dna millions of years ago, more people belive in karma an weight loss products then god, so come to the dark side red its a great place,like eatting meat on good friday,swearing nonstop, or you could join AA an oneonesit god a tree  ------------- chris Armstrong waller, *drugs are bad mkay |
Posted By: ElmuhWabbit
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 10:36pm
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I have never lost faith in religion, I never had any. There is not one creditable piece of scientific evidence to support the theory of a God like being. That is correct, it is nought but a theory. I on the other hand am real, who do you think provides all those choccy eggs once a year? One day not so long ago I was building a new Warren for my thousands of kiddies when a bible basher fronted up, as they do. He starts right out with "Jesus was a carpenter", to which I swiftly replied "well he must have been a bloody union rep because he has not shown up on the job for over 2,000 years". Mr Basher left without another word. ------------- Due to increased costs in egg making easter is cancelled. |
Posted By: Repent
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2013 at 11:15pm
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 12:25am
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“ Religion has done love a great service by making it a sin. ” — Anatole France |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 1:35am
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Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 2:20am
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 4:46pm
| He who truly seeks, shall find. True religion is not a dabble for dilettantes. It is a secret that simply cannot be revealed by any device, other than that of genuine, unselfish love. As the man said, "he that exaltheth himself shall be abased, but he who abaseth himself, shall be exalted" By intellect, never. As the great German mystic Meister Eckhart taught......" Do not imagine that your reason can grow to knowledge of God " The mere fact of existence is proof of God, as for "scientific proof", science has nothing at all to offer about this matter.........unless you count that poor wretch Hawking, who posits that the all consists of exact equal amounts of "positive" and "negative" energy, which cancel one another out, therefore "existence", er, doesn't exist ! In which case, I don't know why he bothers ! |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 5:36pm
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 5:56pm
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Thanks for the recommendation RH.........will have a look........cheers ! ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 6:23pm
That could well be true.
What is Gods (if she exists) motivation for the suffering of children and animals that have NO choices ?
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 6:34pm
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It is impossible to imagine a world in which there is no suffering of creatures, except if there is no life at all. Pain and suffering and fear evolved as an impetus or spur, to move away from threatening situations, in the interests of preserving life. If we never felt pain, physical or psychological, or experienced fear, we would not be alive for long. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 6:53pm
| you talk crap |
Posted By: HUSSLER
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 6:54pm
| After the 50th beating (not around the ring) by the Christian Brothers I lost interest |
Posted By: Repent
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 6:57pm
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Posted By: Munga Rangi
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:02pm
I can fully understand why people are turned right off any sort of religious following.Especially in the Catholic Church.My father went to probably one of the most prestigious Catholic boys schools in Sydney. Of Irish Catholic stock, he had little say in it.He told me as an old man, that the Brothers at that school were terribly violent. He told me about a boy sitting next him in class who was caught talking in a lesson. He said the Brother backhanded the boy so hard that he broke the little boys jaw. Awful stuff.... Then apart from that, there's the child abuse issue, we all know how big that is. I hope this new Pope can set a better example than the ones previous. ------------- Caveat emptor |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:03pm
 It isn't what you want to hear, no doubt. But this world where there is only joy, but no despair, where there is only gain, but never loss, is simply a repudiation of common sense, without heat there is no cold, without light there is no darkness, they are simply the two sides of the coin, and there are no coins with one side, you want to rid the world of suffering, you have also to rid of joy and pleasure, there is no way to abolish one without abolishing both.
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:05pm
| "Kill them all and let God sort them out" ........ sounds like your reckoning on life ....... |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:05pm
| and you still talk crap |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:06pm
| It is a failing of intelligence to associate the divine with the clergy, the priests may claim to represent God, but they cannot produce a letter of introduction. It is far better to cut out the middleman, imo. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:11pm
| So you have a direct link ? |
Posted By: Munga Rangi
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:13pm
Agree with you Max. ------------- Caveat emptor |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:14pm
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:14pm
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Do you both talk to God directly ?
Do you hear His voice in your head ??
Does He tell you what to do ???
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:16pm
| Do you expect to go to Heaven ....... a place supposedly where there is no sufferring ?? |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:18pm
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a fine song from a few years ago .....
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Posted By: Munga Rangi
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:20pm
No, I haven't had a chat recently, but I wish he'd tell me who is going to win The Slipper tomorrow  ------------- Caveat emptor |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:32pm
| A lot of people struggle, imo, to separate conceptions of God from the phenomenon of organized religion. The best that probably can be said is that organized religion is an attempt to render in rational terms, that which is clearly not rational, that is, something that can be explained by a relationship between various elements, it is very clear to me that the Riddle of Existence, aka God, is never going to be "explained" by such contrivances. There is a compulsive urge in humans to understand the how and why of it all, but that line of enquiry has yielded absolutely nothing, in regard to the ultimate question. How could it ? As long as we have a need to have things explained in terms meaningful to us, the conundrum continues to trouble, far better to abolish any ambitions to "understand" God, or what God may be. The dawn will come when you truly admit you know nothing of it, and do not believe you can ever "know", in the way you know how and why, e.g., a loaf of bread rises. |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:34pm
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The universe is 13.77 billion years old..........the earth a mere 4.54 billion..........homo sapiens (us) have been around for approx 200,000 yrs...........& jesus arrived 2,000yrs ago..........mmmmm......just let me think about that for a while ! ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:34pm
What is Gods motivation for cancers in Children ?
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:36pm
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I feel for you Max...or is it George Pell... ??? ------------- Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes... |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:37pm
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:39pm
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:40pm
I don't , I actively dislike organised religion and its smugness, preaching, hypocrisy,bullying and certainty. Doesn't stop me from being an agnostic, that is acknowledging the possible existence of "god" or some sort of all encompassing spirit. For all the logical scientific arguments debunking god it always comes back to the question how did it all start, where did that first amoeba come from. ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:43pm
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The people who are talking about Jesus, and animals going to heaven are completely on the wrong track. These things are religion's interpretation and as such are a load of garbage as the mystery of god is unfathomable. Doesn't mean there isn't or couldn't be a god of some sort. ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:45pm
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:46pm
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Dinosaurs lived on the planet 925 times longer than humans have (up until now) ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:47pm
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:54pm
| Where did God come from? |
Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 7:55pm
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An obvious next question, but that is where I give up, my head hurts
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:01pm
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:05pm
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Why is the human race so arrogant to think they matter more than any other living or non-living thing in the magnificent universe ? If we were invaded by aliens would we still believe we were Gods chosen ones ? ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:15pm
| There is a great deal of illusion in our perceptions, the young can be excused for failing to recognize that, those of us with more more experience, less so. What seemed earth-shattering as a child can be looked back upon with mirth in adulthood, maybe that is indicative of how we would see our adult behaviours if we could "grow" into a greater maturity than most achieve. |
Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:15pm
A disciplined Socratic thought process does not preclude curiosity and clear mindedness does not prevent you from being teachable. In fact it makes you more open than the closed minded zealot who has already decided to shut his mind down on the subject
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:18pm
ditto... going to watch the footy...please God, don't let Manly win again... ------------- Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes... |
Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:24pm
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I might believe in God if Souths ever win the premiership again...
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:32pm
I think you are condemned to agnosticism, at least forever
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:39pm
From the mind of man ............ an evil and mischevious man to boot
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:46pm
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 9:29pm
very likely... God is obviously a Manly supporter.... ------------- Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes... |
Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 9:33pm
That has never been in doubt
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Posted By: JoH
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 9:42pm
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very likely... God is obviously a Manly supporter.... that may be but at the moment she's bl--dy well moonlighting in the Richmond forward line.  (not happy Jan) ------------- suck it up ... Life isn't run at w.f.a. :) |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 10:23pm
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 11:05pm
| Don't know about that either, 1-1, I know nuffink............but if you know you know nuffink, you know somefink........or somefink like that. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 11:08pm
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Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 11:55pm
| How comically true |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 9:32pm
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What hope for the rest of us then?  Crocodile 'jumped out of the lake' to kill pastor during mass baptism in EthiopiaUpdated
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Nearby fishermen were unable to save the pastor. - (Reuters)
A baptism in Ethiopia has gone horribly wrong, with a crocodile attacking and killing the pastor during a waterside service. Eighty people were gathered at Lake Abaya while Docho Eshetem, the Protestant clergyman, conducted a mass baptism in the shallow water. "He baptised the first person and he passed on to another one," a local resident told the BBC. "All of a sudden, a crocodile jumped out of the lake and grabbed the pastor." According to The Telegraph, members of the congregation looked on in horror as fishermen attempted to rescue the pastor. Despite their efforts to block the crocodile with their nets, by the time they reached Mr Eshetem he was already dead. Lake Abaya is well known for having a large crocodile population. The Lonely Planet warns the crocodiles can be aggressive towards people and animals because the lake has few fish. Reports say it was likely a Nile crocodile that killed the pastor, as the species is thought to be responsible for more than 300 attacks on humans every year in Africa. The reptiles can grow to be up to six metres long and weigh as much as one tonne. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 9:49pm
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 10:03pm
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If you are true believer why would you be ever be afraid of dying ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2018 at 10:06pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |