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Topic: Problem gamblers
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Subject: Problem gamblers
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 7:47pm
My jaundiced, cynical assumption is that bookies love problem gamblers. Do bookies ever close accounts for excessive losing?



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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 7:50pm
Good point , sporting bet once told me I never got any free bets as they are kept for losers

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Posted By: Wallabie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 7:52pm
Quick to ban when your winning, quite happy to have your business when your losing! Scum of the earth!


Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 7:59pm
That's why I keep getting them then noccy

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Posted By: Racing Carrot
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 8:01pm
One rang up about 5 years ago, asked why i hadn't had a bet with them in nearly a year.  Said I was at Uni on a student allowance getting $150 a week.  Was expecting reply of "oh ok".  Instead got offered  $3000 credit over the phone without even asking for it.


Posted By: StateTheObvious
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 8:05pm
LOL Carrot. They must have had some data to say the 3k was viable for them. 


Posted By: WarriSymbol
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 8:10pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

My jaundiced, cynical assumption is that bookies love problem gamblers. Do bookies ever close accounts for excessive losing?
Do donut shops ever ban fat people?


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 8:13pm
I don't imagine donut shops offer credit, send gifts and other inducements to big losers to restart the habit.

But heroin dealers probably do.


Posted By: layer
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 8:51pm
Nobody forces people to gamble, when bookies put up a market punters decide if they want to bet or not.i have always been against credit gambling because 99% get into trouble they cant handle and go bankrupt or families are broken and worst of all they end up in jail after turning to selling dope to fund their gambling.
There was a team of regular young blokes in their 30s in the early 80s from Newtown who were punting in 100s and when winning 1000s then they got into drug supplying and became 20/30k punters overnight and every single one of them finished in jail all because they could not control their punting.
Its a ruthless game when your not a winner and you MUST learn to punt with ONLY what you can afford to lose


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Posted By: StateTheObvious
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 8:51pm
Donut shops have loyalty cards. Buy five get the sixth one free etc. 

Not sure too many heroin dealers actually give credit to end users given the client base have a habit of dropping dead or being thrown in jail. 


Posted By: Dr Bob
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Good point , sporting bet once told me I never got any free bets as they are kept for losers


Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 9:02pm
Prob the most sensible thing you've said layer...only gamble what you can afford to lose

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Posted By: racinglover
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 9:04pm
Of course at the end of the day it's your own responsibility. But you can't deny it can be very difficult for some people not become addicted.

I really think giving people credit to bet with should be illegal.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 9:12pm
Society is awash with people stealing from family and friends to gamble. I used to think it was an adrenalin rush thing, but that may be trivialising it. Yet another ugly side is what happens to people who can't pay bookies or loan sharks, I dare say not all methods of debt recovery involve the civil courts.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 9:49pm
LOL
Originally posted by WarriSymbol WarriSymbol wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

My jaundiced, cynical assumption is that bookies love problem gamblers. Do bookies ever close accounts for excessive losing?
Do donut shops ever ban fat people?
         Clap


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by Racing Carrot Racing Carrot wrote:

One rang up about 5 years ago, asked why i hadn't had a bet with them in nearly a year.  Said I was at Uni on a student allowance getting $150 a week.  Was expecting reply of "oh ok".  Instead got offered  $3000 credit over the phone without even asking for it.

  Sportsbet rang me about six weeks ago, asking why I wasn't betting with them anymore...I told them I always take a couple of months off at least once a year to refresh my thinking and prove to myself I am not addicted to it...there was a pronounced silence from their end...then he asked would I like to deposit some money...I said "when I'm good and ready.."...he then proceeded to re-check all my details...

 talk about snoopy...

 wasn't offered any credit but was inundated with free bet offers for the next four weeks...

 made them happy...back in the saddle...

 

 


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2012 at 9:54pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Society is awash with people stealing from family and friends to gamble. I used to think it was an adrenalin rush thing, but that may be trivialising it. Yet another ugly side is what happens to people who can't pay bookies or loan sharks, I dare say not all methods of debt recovery involve the civil courts.
 
 Very complex Mr Manewer .      Every family experiences members who have a problem of compulsive personality of some kind .
        Almost impossible to help most .
 take away the tab they find a poker machine or online poker / casino.
 Take away the alcohol they drink paint /metho/ or snort.
What is the answer ...      It certainly isn't to stop James Packer from investing 10 billion in Australia and sending him offshore.


Posted By: layer
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:19pm
If a corporate rings you asking why your not betting tell them you have a better booking so F$#%k off

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Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:25pm
nah take their free bets..win and then leave with their cash. Repeat step 1 in 6 months time....

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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Good point , sporting bet once told me I never got any free bets as they are kept for losers


I have been with IAS for a year now, and never got anything for free until yesterday, when they gave me a free $6 bet to be placed on sports...seriously $6 whopping dollars. I honestly didn't know the significance of this!!


Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:44pm
Fact 1. People that bet with Internet coporates are losing punters.
Fact 2. 0.7% of the population bets with a reckless addition.



Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:46pm
Have a binge two weeks betting went from Friday arvo to Monday morning.


Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:47pm
Had.


Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:50pm
Lol sportsbet just rang me, asking me to come back. $500 free bet offer. Considering.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Lol sportsbet just rang me, asking me to come back. $500 free bet offer. Considering.
"Baby come back, any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Baby come back, you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you"
LOL





Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Lol sportsbet just rang me, asking me to come back. $500 free bet offer. Considering.
From a relaibal source .      Copy + Paste
 
   I have just had some very strong mail that in play betting will be legalised in Australia very early in the New Year on the condition Julia is not replaced as PM before then.

But my mail is the deal is done.

Good news.


Posted By: Crash
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Lol sportsbet just rang me, asking me to come back. $500 free bet offer. Considering.


Wow you must of lost a lot there to be offered a $500 free bet.


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Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Lol sportsbet just rang me, asking me to come back. $500 free bet offer. Considering.
Free to take it and have the 500 on your cup trifecta.


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Fact 1. People that bet with Internet coporates are losing punters.
Fact 2. 0.7% of the population bets with a reckless addition.

Not if they can lay off on the tote for an earn.


Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 5:01pm
Seen those Crown casino ads on TV, with the doorman opening the door welcomining you to enter and goes on about how many people they employ, how many apppentiships they develope etc...
Campaign is all part of packers son trying to get another license in Sydney.

but how many lifes do they destroy?




Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 5:06pm
I am sickened by the pokie & casino menace. News story the other day that some suburban hotels in Brisbane are clearing $4 million per annum from pokies. Incredible.


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Fact 1. People that bet with Internet coporates are losing punters.
Fact 2. 0.7% of the population bets with a reckless addition.

 
I BET WITH INTERNET CORPORATES AND I AM NOT A LOSING PUNTER!!!!.....FACT!!!!!!
 
allan


Posted By: norisk
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 5:47pm
I knew there had to be oneWink


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by norisk norisk wrote:

I knew there had to be oneWink
 
i am sure there are quite a number!!!.
 
 
allan


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 5:57pm
Your The Master AL .   You prove it time and time again .     I get my money back today .
u scratched Blue Boy.        Spoilsport.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 6:03pm
Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Seen those Crown casino ads on TV, with the doorman opening the door welcomining you to enter and goes on about how many people they employ, how many apppentiships they develope etc...
Campaign is all part of packers son trying to get another license in Sydney.

but how many lifes do they destroy?


                     they provide a massive Tourist attraction and entertainment for the masses .
    The lives destroyed would be destroyed at a different address if the Casino wasn't there .
          A clever forumite said yesterday that MacDonalds destrosy fat ladies too .


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Society is awash with people stealing from family and friends to gamble. I used to think it was an adrenalin rush thing, but that may be trivialising it. Yet another ugly side is what happens to people who can't pay bookies or loan sharks, I dare say not all methods of debt recovery involve the civil courts.


Stealing from your friends and family was an adrenalin rush, or the gambling??


Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Lol sportsbet just rang me, asking me to come back. $500 free bet offer. Considering.
From a relaibal source .      Copy + Paste
 
   I have just had some very strong mail that in play betting will be legalised in Australia very early in the New Year on the condition Julia is not replaced as PM before then.

But my mail is the deal is done.

Good news.

Macca, this confuses me. Can't we already bet in running on races. I know I have, if I missed a price before jump, I'll take it straight after jumping. Or is this 'illegal'. Somebody else, who should know, said to me that he thought betting in-play wasn't allowed in Aus, and I replied-no it must have changed because you can do it.


Posted By: racinglover
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 6:10pm
Maybe he means online betting in-play for sports events.

You currently have to ring up to bet on live sport.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Society is awash with people stealing from family and friends to gamble. I used to think it was an adrenalin rush thing, but that may be trivialising it. Yet another ugly side is what happens to people who can't pay bookies or loan sharks, I dare say not all methods of debt recovery involve the civil courts.


Stealing from your friends and family was an adrenalin rush, or the gambling??
The 'hook' that keeps people gambling being the adrenalin surge. I doubt too many people derive pleasure from the act of theft.


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Your The Master AL .   You prove it time and time again .     I get my money back today .
u scratched Blue Boy.        Spoilsport.
 
you got your money back!!!Ouch
 
 
i had one BIG bet today and got one winner!! Big smileWink
 
 
allan


Posted By: shadow role
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Society is awash with people stealing from family and friends to gamble. I used to think it was an adrenalin rush thing, but that may be trivialising it. Yet another ugly side is what happens to people who can't pay bookies or loan sharks, I dare say not all methods of debt recovery involve the civil courts.
 
Big Bill reckoned Packer and Murdoch both stiffed him...not as if they've got a 'touch of the shorts'(in that era)Tongue


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Your The Master AL .   You prove it time and time again .     I get my money back today .
u scratched Blue Boy.        Spoilsport.
 
you got your money back!!!Ouch
 
 
i had one BIG bet today and got one winner!! Big smileWink
 
 
allan
   I didn't know ...  wasnt Blue Boy yours R4.  scr
      I'm having a little  Sky Raider in the Bendigo Cup tomorrow at odds .
Haven't done much form yet .
 Whats yr special al.???


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 7:36pm
yes maccamax...one BIG bet today!!
 
 
unusual again.... 2 bets tonight and just one bet all weekend!!.
thats the way the ball bounces!!
allan
26/10/2012 8:30: Caloundra 4 1 Chief Bright Star DTFW maxidiv
26/10/2012 9:15: M.Vall(N) 6 7 Sea Siren GRP4 took $5-50 for 1/2 and other 1/2 maxi
27/10/2012 4:30: Moonee Valley 7 6 Ambidexter GRP4 ????
30/10/2012 1:15: Taree 1 8 Peninsula Princess DLSPL will be maxidiv      
 
no BIG bets for me for the next 2 days!!!    
 
 
allan                         


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Your The Master AL .   You prove it time and time again .     I get my money back today .
u scratched Blue Boy.        Spoilsport.
 
you got your money back!!!Ouch
 
 
i had one BIG bet today and got one winner!! Big smileWink
 
 
allan
   I didn't know ...  wasnt Blue Boy yours R4.  scr
      I'm having a little  Sky Raider in the Bendigo Cup tomorrow at odds .
Haven't done much form yet .
 Whats yr special al.???
 
yes maccamax Sky Raider top rated...but as it is a 5 year old...needs to be a pretty special 5 year old for me to be betting on it!!! could well win...but i will not be on it.
 
allan


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 7:53pm
Al   ..      I missed yr later winner ...Damn ...   had other things on the mind .
  What you say there is just so right ..         The little considerations people give to the big factors ..
   The Handicapper and age catches up with most horses early in life ..   Try telling those things and you get trolled .
   You do a great job and feel proud .       So much you could teach newbies .
  I do a few for a business site ..goes very well over the years . Plenty of appreciation there . 
      


Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 8:06pm
What do you lik in the Big Cup then Allan?? I'm guessing it willl be 5 years or older???

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Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

What do you lik in the Big Cup then Allan?? I'm guessing it willl be 5 years or older???
 
Hi Phantom,
 
now how do I explain this (not very well i guess) ?? i do not look at how horses perform, i do not look at videos, i do not have a black book, i have no early interest in cox plates, caulfield cups, melb cups etc. i have no interest in what the internationals are doing. i simply use my systems on raceday morning and if something comes up i bet on it!!
 
but seeing that it is a group one race...yes i can have a bet in the big one...but it would be rare!!! horse needs to be 4 or 5 years old.....with other qualifying rules of course!! 4 year olds are fine but 5 year olds have a couple of extra qualifying rules to satisfy before i will back it. i only back 5 year olds in group races only...at no other time do i even contemplate backing a 5 year old. i would be lucky to bet on 15.... 5 year olds a year!!!
 
 
allan
 
allan


Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 8:31pm
Thanks mate very interesting. I'm guessing Black Caviar could have taken up half of your 15 bets then this year Wink

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Posted By: Group 1 Selections
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

What do you lik in the Big Cup then Allan?? I'm guessing it willl be 5 years or older???
 
Hi Phantom,
 
now how do I explain this (not very well i guess) ?? i do not look at how horses perform, i do not look at videos, i do not have a black book, i have no early interest in cox plates, caulfield cups, melb cups etc. i have no interest in what the internationals are doing. i simply use my systems on raceday morning and if something comes up i bet on it!!
 
but seeing that it is a group one race...yes i can have a bet in the big one...but it would be rare!!! horse needs to be 4 or 5 years old.....with other qualifying rules of course!! 4 year olds are fine but 5 year olds have a couple of extra qualifying rules to satisfy before i will back it. i only back 5 year olds in group races only...at no other time do i even contemplate backing a 5 year old. i would be lucky to bet on 15.... 5 year olds a year!!!
 
 
allan
 
allan
 
I take age into account with my ratings, only ever bet on 7yr olds in Group Races and never bet on anything older than 7. Not quite as severe as Al's but can see how it can get rid of a few.


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

Thanks mate very interesting. I'm guessing Black Caviar could have taken up half of your 15 bets then this year Wink
 
 
BC did not qualify ONCE!!! as a 5 year oldWinkWinkWinkWinkWink..... so now you know one of the "extra" rules.
 
allan


Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 8:36pm
You discriminate against the females...I'm guessing you may discriminate against boys still with their toys too....

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Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

You discriminate against the females...I'm guessing you may discriminate against boys still with their toys too....
 
nope just the girlies in the big races.
 
but not worried about any other females in any of the other races.
 
allan


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

You discriminate against the females...I'm guessing you may discriminate against boys still with their toys too....
 
nope just the girlies in the big races.
 
but not worried about any other females in any of the other races.
 
allan
          Careful on the female discrimination AL ..    lol  We will think politics.
    Good for you that some very Major factors are available to those who wish to learn .
 The Epsom should have told a few stories in support of yr thinking al.
 and oHHH yeah .. The Cox Plate ....  The Metrop .    Manikato   ..  Wow Al   You've taught some more in 5 minutes than most learn in a lifetime .
   Actually showing how much the Forum has to offer,  serious people who wish to benefit
 from one another ...  Great stuff.


Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:28pm
Dont forget the 6 Group 1's Black Caviar she won as a 5 year old...Wink

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Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Group 1 Selections Group 1 Selections wrote:

Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

What do you lik in the Big Cup then Allan?? I'm guessing it willl be 5 years or older???
 
Hi Phantom,
 
now how do I explain this (not very well i guess) ?? i do not look at how horses perform, i do not look at videos, i do not have a black book, i have no early interest in cox plates, caulfield cups, melb cups etc. i have no interest in what the internationals are doing. i simply use my systems on raceday morning and if something comes up i bet on it!!
 
but seeing that it is a group one race...yes i can have a bet in the big one...but it would be rare!!! horse needs to be 4 or 5 years old.....with other qualifying rules of course!! 4 year olds are fine but 5 year olds have a couple of extra qualifying rules to satisfy before i will back it. i only back 5 year olds in group races only...at no other time do i even contemplate backing a 5 year old. i would be lucky to bet on 15.... 5 year olds a year!!!
 
 
allan
 
allan
 
I take age into account with my ratings, only ever bet on 7yr olds in Group Races and never bet on anything older than 7. Not quite as severe as Al's but can see how it can get rid of a few.


hi,

are you saying that you ONLY back & year olds???? in group races????..... or UP TO 7 year olds??

allan


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:41pm
hi,

lets try again.....

are you saying that you ONLY back 7 year olds???? in group races????..... or UP TO 7 year olds??

allan


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

Dont forget the 6 Group 1's Black Caviar she won as a 5 year old...Wink
 
 and the C.C Dunaden won ....  Always some common sense used   together with the fifty other variables I expect .       The Point not relayed,  is the age factor is most noticeable  the lower the class of races and thats probably a wild guess [say]  toward 95%   of races run .
    As we know , Al is a very successful punter .  There will always be the if's the but's and the "what ifs "
 One thing is , that won't stop Al from continueing on his winning way.
 Only the doubters have something to lose ...   Most are used to that .


Posted By: Platinum
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:44pm
Gee this thread turned into a figjam thread pretty quick


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by Platinum Platinum wrote:

Gee this thread turned into a figjam thread pretty quick
 
Well, Big Al winning has always been Big Al's favourite subject.


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

Originally posted by Pazman Pazman wrote:

Fact 1. People that bet with Internet coporates are losing punters.
Fact 2. 0.7% of the population bets with a reckless addition.

 
I BET WITH INTERNET CORPORATES AND I AM NOT A LOSING PUNTER!!!!.....FACT!!!!!!
 
allan

platinum, all i posted was the fact was that NOT ALL people that bet with internet corporates are losing punters. i believe that pazmans statement is nowhere near the truth.


allan


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 9:55pm
Can you think of a better subject than a successful person educating some new and inexperienced forumites .       Usually the trolls have destroyed anything worthwhile by now .
    I could read stories from people like Al all night .        Some should do themselves a favour and take note .      Their Bank account may benefit too.
   No one is being forced to read anything or denigrate the contribution.


Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 10:05pm
Macca, happy to have a discussion with people, just choose not to have discussions with those that type in extra large capitals, and different colours etc. I don't need anyone shouting at me as to how good they are. I especially don't think I can learn anything from a guy that admits he does no form, watches no replays, and all he does is use a computer system that he paid for. Sorry, but that isn't for me.


Posted By: Group 1 Selections
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 10:14pm
Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

hi,

lets try again.....

are you saying that you ONLY back 7 year olds???? in group races????..... or UP TO 7 year olds??

allan
 
No up to 7yr olds, my records show that horses older then 7 win less than 10% of races in Metro. You probably run off the same sort of thing as 4-5yr olds would win a fair percentage. I also take into account winning% as winners keep winning and no matter how good they look running flashy 3rds and 4ths losers keep losing.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2012 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Macca, happy to have a discussion with people, just choose not to have discussions with those that type in extra large capitals, and different colours etc. I don't need anyone shouting at me as to how good they are. I especially don't think I can learn anything from a guy that admits he does no form, watches no replays, and all he does is use a computer system that he paid for. Sorry, but that isn't for me.
 
   Thats another subject and i understand .     To each our own and I don't think Al has ever claimed originality about anything .      Just he is together , prepared to try and help etc .
   lol   Actually I have never interested myself in breeding , couldnt care what their by or out of .
  Others use breeding in their choices  , big time .
   We are all different ...     This age thing isn't new . I think it was James I made mentioned  it to awhile back .    Plenty of variables .      I like to see them discussed.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 12:11am
I back 10 year olds if i think they are the horse to beat

I back horses who are trying to win a double for example even if it has not been done in 800 years or coming from some a lead up race which has never produced a winner for a particular race. 

Rules of racing are KISS keep it simple stupid! 




Posted By: HUSSLER
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 5:28am
Originally posted by Group 1 Selections Group 1 Selections wrote:


Originally posted by bigal bigal wrote:

<div style="text-align: left;">hi,<div style="text-align: left;">
<div style="text-align: left;">lets try again.....<div style="text-align: left;">
<div style="text-align: left;">are you saying that you ONLY back 7 year olds???? in group races????..... or UP TO 7 year olds??<div style="text-align: left;">
<div style="text-align: left;">allan


 
No up to 7yr olds, my records show that horses older then 7 win less than 10% of races in Metro. You probably run off the same sort of thing as 4-5yr olds would win a fair percentage. I also take into account winning% as winners keep winning and no matter how good they look running flashy 3rds and 4ths losers keep losing.



What % of horses in metro races are older than 7

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Posted By: Group 1 Selections
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 5:31am
Originally posted by HUSSLER HUSSLER wrote:

Originally posted by Group 1 Selections Group 1 Selections wrote:


[QUOTE=bigal]<div style="text-align: left;">hi,<div style="text-align: left;">
<div style="text-align: left;">lets try again.....<div style="text-align: left;">
<div style="text-align: left;">are you saying that you ONLY back 7 year olds???? in group races????..... or UP TO 7 year olds??<div style="text-align: left;">
<div style="text-align: left;">allan


 
No up to 7yr olds, my records show that horses older then 7 win less than 10% of races in Metro. You probably run off the same sort of thing as 4-5yr olds would win a fair percentage. I also take into account winning% as winners keep winning and no matter how good they look running flashy 3rds and 4ths losers keep losing.



What % of horses in metro races are older than 7 [/QUOTE

Of course there is fewer hussler, but that stat is runners to winner's not just winners overall


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 7:02am
Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Macca, happy to have a discussion with people, just choose not to have discussions with those that type in extra large capitals, and different colours etc. I don't need anyone shouting at me as to how good they are. I especially don't think I can learn anything from a guy that admits he does no form, watches no replays, and all he does is use a computer system that he paid for. Sorry, but that isn't for me.

Subby,

i don't know if you know about GTX from the ratings bureau. but basically with GTX you get a blank canvass as far as systems go. you have to work on it to get any winning edge. i actually spent about 2,500 hours working on systems to get to where i am now. so now i simply sit back, run the systems in the morning and back them. the extremely hard work to get my winners was done in 2004!!!!. i have been backing my GTX selections since april 2005. but i "work" on systems still virtually every day i have a look. 
i have seen about 20 others try GTX and 18 of them have gone no-where and have given up, now that is a pretty bad attrition rate.

sorry if my capitals and my colours also upset you, i will try to limit same.


allan


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 7:19am
What percentage of MC winners in the last 20 years have been 4yos?


Posted By: norisk
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 7:28am
bigal, serious question if you please - which corp(s) do you win with that have not limited or banned you?


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 7:29am
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

What percentage of MC winners in the last 20 years have been 4yos?

exactly my point....it is rare for me to have a bet in the melbourne cup as i mainly back 2 to 4 year olds across the board.

i can certainly tell you how many have won in the last 20 years ethereal, might and power, saintly and subzero, efficient and shocking.


allan


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 7:33am
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

What percentage of MC winners in the last 20 years have been 4yos?
       The penny doesn't drop aye ...     What has the M>C got to do with an average overall on racing .
  FYI ..    4 and 5 year olds win most CUPS ...        6+7 a few ...   older 0.
 What Al  does in working out his Systems is no different to what the rest of us do .  each week .
 He has been smart enough to record it to computer and saves weekly repeats of form study.
       Where Al deserves credit is =    He has been kind enough to try and help others and paid the price in the past .      Give credit.
      Maybe the Village will improve big time from now on regarding trolling , abuse and the like . All are on notice and consequences deeper than most would think . We have all been told .
     We may see the day when people willing to help others can do it without the dog pack backlash.


Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:01am
I would never use GTX,couldn't afford it anyway Stern Smile,but I find bigal's explanation of his modus operandi to be a fascinating read,keep it coming.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I would never use GTX,couldn't afford it anyway Stern Smile,but I find bigal's explanation of his modus operandi to be a fascinating read,keep it coming.
 
Well put whale and with the main variables being disclosed you wouldn't need a GTX.
   Like you ,  I love to read productive input .      I appreciate the people kind enough to be helping .
 Also like you .... Keep it coming      Big smile


Posted By: James
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:29am
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Macca, happy to have a discussion with people, just choose not to have discussions with those that type in extra large capitals, and different colours etc. I don't need anyone shouting at me as to how good they are. I especially don't think I can learn anything from a guy that admits he does no form, watches no replays, and all he does is use a computer system that he paid for. Sorry, but that isn't for me.
 
   Thats another subject and i understand .     To each our own and I don't think Al has ever claimed originality about anything .     
 Just he is together , prepared to try and help etc .
   lol   Actually I have never interested myself in breeding , couldnt care what their by or out of .
  Others use breeding in their choices  , big time .
   We are all different ...     This age thing isn't new . I think it was James I made mentioned  it to awhile back .    Plenty of variables .      I like to see them discussed.
 Yes along with some other extremely helpful advice. Cheers Macca.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:40am
Thank you James .      Nice of you .
   Many people need the foundations and from there they make their own way.    No one is trying to claim they know everything.   I am still learning after a lifetime of trying.     I may add , this Forum is a great University if it is allowed to function properly.


Posted By: Group 1 Selections
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:45am
I am actually running a spreadsheet at the moment on every Saturday metro winner with details on every aspect of the of the horse (including age, # of starts, winning % ect), its previous runs, position in running, weight ect. I don't have any great plan what I will do with the info just want to see it it throws out some common variables.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:49am
"unusual again.... 2 bets tonight and just one bet all weekend!!."

How many races were considered to get the 3 betting races, Big Al?


Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 8:52am
Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I would never use GTX,couldn't afford it anyway Stern Smile,but I find bigal's explanation of his modus operandi to be a fascinating read,keep it coming.



Afford....???
Fascinating..???

Enter your own parameters into your own data base and it's done...thats all any analyst does, why would anyone have to buy an expensive program when you have a million freeware data base's out there on line is anyone's guess...

I bet new and tweaked parameters need ro be entered into regularly if you are to stay on top, there is NO such thing as a set and forget winning system....what is so fascinating...? The data ?



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 9:10am
Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I would never use GTX,couldn't afford it anyway Stern Smile,but I find bigal's explanation of his modus operandi to be a fascinating read,keep it coming.



Afford....???
Fascinating..???

Enter your own parameters into your own data base and it's done...thats all any analyst does, why would anyone have to buy an expensive program when you have a million freeware data base's out there on line is anyone's guess...

I bet new and tweaked parameters need ro be entered into regularly if you are to stay on top, there is NO such thing as a set and forget winning system....what is so fascinating...? The data ?

That depends on how much time you want to spend entering data into the free data base engine. If it going to involve a lot a time, that would rule that option out for most people, and there are of lot of race meeting results and parameters.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 9:20am
exactly Max Manewer..    We live in the world of fast pace and short cuts .  My  early days of expensive video [ came later ]  Index cards and pay a lady to update and prepare the fields cards when the Sporsman came off the press at Surrey Hills . 2 hr round train trip to get it .    lol , how the world has changed .
     Don't watch the races ,   get to a position where they pull up .     Make notes of how they "blew" up .
 Fitness guide for the future .       Clock the sectionals from the $60 video replay for 2 meetings .
     You young uns" have got an easy world . lol
 One thing I can assure you of .   Todays variables and the WFA scale have stood the test of time .


Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 9:25am
Some thongs will always remain solid criteria, but thee are also many new that need to be accounted for and....there would be many that need to be dumped after time also...

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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 9:42am
Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I would never use GTX,couldn't afford it anyway Stern Smile,but I find bigal's explanation of his modus operandi to be a fascinating read,keep it coming.



Afford....???
Fascinating..???

Enter your own parameters into your own data base and it's done...thats all any analyst does, why would anyone have to buy an expensive program when you have a million freeware data base's out there on line is anyone's guess...

I bet new and tweaked parameters need ro be entered into regularly if you are to stay on top, there is NO such thing as a set and forget winning system....what is so fascinating...? The data ?


That's fine,he has proved himself to be a successful punter,you are the opposite,so I think I will continue listening to what he says


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 10:18am
  fascinating reading, especially Big Al's contribution....just highlights the different way some of us view racing and punting...

 I couldn't just use a computer system...spoils the fun and too restrictive...

 I'll back a horse of any age...as you all know....

 on Monday on Can of Worms they broached the subject of advertising betting sites...

 even as a long-time punter I think it's wrong...

 


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Posted By: norisk
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 10:23am
Originally posted by norisk norisk wrote:

bigal, serious question if you please - which corp(s) do you win with that have not limited or banned you?

no?

mkay...


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

"unusual again.... 2 bets tonight and just one bet all weekend!!."

How many races were considered to get the 3 betting races, Big Al?

all races every day are considered a betting proposition!!...

so yes just 3 bets in 3 days for my big bets...then a 4th on the tuesday. 3 of them won. so i would rather be backing 4 horses and back winners than back 50 horses and still only get 3 winners!!. (unless they were 50-1 winners)

allan


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by norisk norisk wrote:

Originally posted by norisk norisk wrote:

bigal, serious question if you please - which corp(s) do you win with that have not limited or banned you?

no?

mkay...

sorry no risk, i did not see your initial post.

now....the only one that does not have some sort of restriction on me is Unibet, but i have only been betting there again in the last month or so.
 centrebet is quite good but sometimes they will not take a full bet from me.

sportingbet now allow me to bet with them without restriction, although i have not tested the water in a big way as i have only placed $250 bets with them and all have been accepted.

allan


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I would never use GTX,couldn't afford it anyway Stern Smile,but I find bigal's explanation of his modus operandi to be a fascinating read,keep it coming.



Afford....???
Fascinating..???

Enter your own parameters into your own data base and it's done...thats all any analyst does, why would anyone have to buy an expensive program when you have a million freeware data base's out there on line is anyone's guess...

I bet new and tweaked parameters need ro be entered into regularly if you are to stay on top, there is NO such thing as a set and forget winning system....what is so fascinating...? The data ?


i run 7 systems, and i have not changed them since april 2005!!!!! they ARE set and forget!!!!

i had one system that was "too simple" in it's rules, tried to tweak it, but chucked the system out!!


allan


Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 1:30pm
Congratulations on resisting the temptation to post in your usual girly bold text.



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Posted By: norisk
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 1:44pm
Thanks Allan, I had issues with some corps a couple years ago & swore off them, maybe will give one you mention a go.


Posted By: bigal
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Congratulations on resisting the temptation to post in your usual girly bold text.

 
little digs like this will not get you banned, but it also will not get me to bite either Big smileWink
 
 
allan


Posted By: Crash
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Some thongs will always remain solid criteria, but thee are also many new that need to be accounted for and....there would be many that need to be dumped after time also...


You still wearing them Quez LOL LOL LOL


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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2012 at 5:32pm
Originally posted by Crash Crash wrote:

Originally posted by Quezacotl Quezacotl wrote:

Some thongs will always remain solid criteria, but thee are also many new that need to be accounted for and....there would be many that need to be dumped after time also...


You still wearing them Quez LOL LOL LOL


Most unattractive Ouch






Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2012 at 6:57am

 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL

 can see where Quez keeps his winnings...Embarrassed

 


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