So You Think $66,000 !!!!!
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Topic: So You Think $66,000 !!!!!
Posted By: AussieOi
Subject: So You Think $66,000 !!!!!
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 9:59am
Are they DREAMING!!!!!?????? Coolmore Australia Fees for 2012 Stallion 2012 Fee 2011 Fee Choisir $27,500 ($33,000) Duke Of Marmalade $22,000 ($22,000) Dylan Thomas $13,750 ($19,800) Encosta de Lago $82,500 ($110,000) Excellent Art $8,800 ($11,000) Fastnet Rock $220,000 ($132,000) Haradasun $16,500 ($22,000) Henrythenavigator $22,000 ($27,500) High Chaparral $77,000 ($99,000) Lookin At Lucky $22,000 ($33,000) Musir $16,500 (NEW) Oratorio $11,000 ($11,000) So You Think $66,000 (NEW) Spinning World $5,500 ($6,600) Uncle Mo $24,200 (NEW) Zoffany $11,000 (NEW)
All fees include GST
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 10:18am
What price did you expect? In comparison to the way most most first season sires are priced at I think it's probably about right. Manhattan Rain's first season was 44 from memory, so SYT at 66 is reasonable.
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Posted By: AussieOi
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 10:29am
Lol, 44k would have been more reasonable. Hes gone from a stallion everyone raved about to a dud on his past few performances. Not worthy of the 66k at all.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 10:54am
Hang on, how has he become a dud?? He's run credibly overseas, picked up Group 1's and put in some really sound efforts in some of the world's best races with questionable tactics from trainer and jockeys.
He is a spectacular looker, and you cannot take away his achievements here in Australia prior to his departure. The horse would have emulated Kingston Town and won three consequtive Cox Plate's had he stayed here, nothing is more sure than that. Might have even won 4 straight if he ket going into this spring.
I think the horse will be absolutely inundated at 66K, just imagine how popular his first crop will be.
I generally don't like first season sires standing at more than 30K, but this is a very special horse and the market will support him strongly at that figure.
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Posted By: Fastnetrock
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 11:05am
He will be the first 1 booked out so fee is right IMO
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Posted By: BSB Raiderman
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 11:10am
I'd rather pay $66k for SYT than $11k for Oratorio
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Posted By: AussieOi
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 11:56am
Seriously? The races where he should have won, but didnt, wether it was bad race tatics or just he couldnt do it, puts a dampner on him more than his highlight wins. And yes he MAY have won a 3rd cox plate, but he didnt, so you cant take that into the equasion
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 12:29pm
It doesn't put a dampner at all, well certainly not to southern hemisphere breeders.
The only thing to my mind that puts a dampner commercially is his 3rd placing in the Melbourne Cup and that dampner is only because there are a lot of idiots out there who cannot accept the versatility of high class horses and want to label everything.
This horse has just about everything you look for in a stallion. He was an outstanding 3yo, was effective at a mile, had a great turn of foot, proved himself at WFA at 3,4,5 and is just about the best looking horse you will ever see.
He has a presence about him that you only see very rarely. Whether he makes a champion stallion or not is another question but I can assure you he will be super popular, certainly the most popular first season sire available in Australasia in 2012.
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Posted By: vontastic
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 1:17pm
Interesting to see what Coolmore Ireland set his 2013 fee at
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 1:25pm
What horse's from oz have performed at his level internationally ever...?
I don't think it's too high on his performances, he's been terribly placed by O'Brien, Dubai was pathetic placement, as was the breeders, he's a turf horse ffs, his breeding on mums side is wonderful, 60k is about right, I'd send a mare to him, possibly a mare with stamina actually.
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Posted By: AussieOi
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 1:52pm
vontastic wrote:
Interesting to see what Coolmore Ireland set his 2013 fee at |
I bet its half what he is now. They are capitalising on Australias *love* for him, not on his achievements.
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Posted By: AussieOi
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 1:53pm
Quezacotl wrote:
What horse's from oz have performed at his level internationally ever...?
I don't think it's too high on his performances, he's been terribly placed by O'Brien, Dubai was pathetic placement, as was the breeders, he's a turf horse ffs, his breeding on mums side is wonderful, 60k is about right, I'd send a mare to him, possibly a mare with stamina actually. |
So because hes from Oz (well NZ really isnt he?) they get to ask more? If he was a european horse, there is no way hed be above 44k
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Posted By: Slim Pickens
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 1:59pm
Quezacotl wrote:
What horse's from oz have performed at his level internationally ever...?
I don't think it's too high on his performances, he's been terribly placed by O'Brien, Dubai was pathetic placement, as was the breeders, he's a turf horse ffs, his breeding on mums side is wonderful, 60k is about right, I'd send a mare to him, possibly a mare with stamina actually. |
Phar Lap, Sailor's Guide, Balmerino and Strawberry Road, and it's debatable if any of them performed with more consistency at the highest level than SYT. Best thing u have ever seen beaten in an arc, course record time, not a horse passed him in the run and made ground on the winner.
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 2:19pm
Eight Group 1 wins, three overseas. Darley staff will surely get knocked over in the rush for his services.
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Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 2:21pm
Duke of Marmalade & Dylan Thomas would have won those cox plates
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 2:34pm
One for the regulars here.
I was once told that a successful stallion almost always has a dam that had plenty of ancestors who had been able to produce stallions.
Having a look at SYT's dam there doesn't seem to be many stallions coming from it. Is that a concern for his stud success? In other words will it stop him from becoming a top-line stallion and relegate him to a run-of-the-mill stallion?
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Posted By: Slim Pickens
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 2:36pm
Gee Gee wrote:
Duke of Marmalade & Dylan Thomas would have won those cox plates |
and they proably would have beaten KT, Dulcify, Sunline and M&P as well, so your point is??????
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 2:40pm
kavg wrote:
One for the regulars here.
I was once told that a successful stallion almost always has a dam that had plenty of ancestors who had been able to produce stallions.
Having a look at SYT's dam there doesn't seem to be many stallions coming from it. Is that a concern for his stud success? In other words will it stop him from becoming a top-line stallion and relegate him to a run-of-the-mill stallion?
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So You Thinks family has been in Australasia since the mid 1850s, would it have had many high class racing males retire to stud ?
I will have a look.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:00pm
Doesn't look like it Djebel, but that is part of my question. Looking at his tail female it is quite heavily biased to producing female progeny (although Triassic is 50:50). The only stallion I could find of any note was Turf Ruler but I'm not sure how successful he was-studbook shows he had 7 stakeswinners from 207 live foals in australia. Perhaps it is a female line like the Denise's Joy family that has produced a number of stakeswinners with the majority being female and only a few stallions with average results.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:02pm
Turf Ruler sired 7 stakes winner, one group 2 winner.
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:09pm
If you analyse the progeny of the direct female family, going back 6 generations, you'll find that they've produced about 80% females up until Triassic.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:13pm
kavg wrote:
Doesn't look like it Djebel, but that is part of my question. Looking at his tail female it is quite heavily biased to producing female progeny (although Triassic is 50:50). The only stallion I could find of any note was Turf Ruler but I'm not sure how successful he was-studbook shows he had 7 stakeswinners from 207 live foals in australia. Perhaps it is a female line like the Denise's Joy family that has produced a number of stakeswinners with the majority being female and only a few stallions with average results.
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Thorn Park is from the Denise's Joy family
Champion sire of NZ 2011-12
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:14pm
Run For Fun wrote:
Eight Group 1 wins, three overseas. Darley staff will surely get knocked over in the rush for his services. |
What tha??
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:17pm
...er, Coolmore.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:34pm
That's about what I saw RFF. Does this predominance of the tail female producing females signify a negative to SYT's chances of being a success? I don't know either way just thought i'd put it out there to see what others think.
Soothsayer-Thorn Park is doing well but hasn't become a High chaparral or Fastnet Rock although it is early and he is showing some positive signs. I do like Thorn Park as a racehorse, a specimen and as a stallion if I had a suitable mare. When I say average, I don't mean ordinary, I mean 'not superb'-such as warranting a $66,000 service fee. (Thorn Park's fee is $22000NZ-a bargain!)
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Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 4:28pm
Brings up the old argument. SYT for $66k or High Chap for $77k.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 4:31pm
That probably sums it up very succinctly Lordy.
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 5:22pm
We really are being harsh on SYT here I reckon, he is a "world class galloper".. who could have performed so much better here, continued winning and would have way less less dud runs if he had of been placed by Bart here, he would be unbeaten but for his Melbourne Cup I reckon...he is a serious talent, don't forget that, I love him and think his talent will be passed on somewhere somehow, talent like that doesn't just disappear into the ether.
Tewll me, how much more is his service now that he went to Europe, as opposed to if he stayed here and won another 2 cox plates and multiple other WFA races like the BMW etc...?
Has Europe increased his fee or reduced it..I say it's ruined it my self.
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Posted By: Biggles
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 5:38pm
What's happened to Starspangledbanner?
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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 5:46pm
Biggles wrote:
What's happened to Starspangledbanner? |
Fertility issues I believe.
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Posted By: Fremz
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 7:05pm
Question to everyone.... do you think his overseas haunts have increased, decreased or had little to no effect on his Australian service fee.
I personally believe the latter. I remember before he went overseas I thought he'd be set somewhere around the 70k mark such was the hype around the horse.
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Posted By: EverydayImShufflin
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 7:13pm
I do think $66k is overs, I'm surprised by the number of people defending his fee. You have to remember that we're not in the 'good times' any more - when we could take any kind of correct enough colt to the sales an be almost certain of making money. Stud farms (not all, but many) still believe we are still in those days!
Yes, he won two cox plates - the first of which was dominated by two front running three year olds. Suggesting it was hardly a stellar field and he ran the race to suit. Whobegotyou was the only other runner in he field who held genuine group one credentials and he failed to stay strongly.
The second Cox Plate? He was a $1.50 favourite..... again, he didn't have to beat much, bar More Joyous who was unable to see out the distance on that occassion.
There was much talk about his performances overseas, and the riding instructions given. Shoulda, woulda, coulda in my opinion. He just wasn't quite up to the european stayers - which is by no means a negative, but $66k........?
His sire is $77k this year and I'd imagine they will deal on him more aggressively than So You Think. I know which price is more appealing to me.
I'm by no means saying he's going to be a failure, or that he was a poor racehorse. He certainly wasn't and I hope he won't be a failure but I think he's overs at that price. $55k down to $45k-$50k would have been much more realistic in these tough times.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 7:14pm
Fremz wrote:
Question to everyone.... do you think his overseas haunts have increased, decreased or had little to no effect on his Australian service fee.
I personally believe the latter. I remember before he went overseas I thought he'd be set somewhere around the 70k mark such was the hype around the horse. |
I reckon had he won the Prince Of Wales + The Arc he would be standing at 100,000+ so in effect what he achieved has probably saved Aussie breeders 25,000 or so maybe even more.
I doubt the races that he won in Europe have added to what he would have stood for had he raced exclusively in Australia.
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 7:19pm
Europe added nothing to his appeal, he was poorly trained and placed by O'Brien.
He was the horse on everyone's lips here before Dato became greedy and sold him off.
He's been slaughtered by jockeys and trainers and now everyone bags the horse, the races he won in irlenad were so crap that you could of sent benchmark 58ers from here and won them..pathetic.
He will make a lovely stallion and I would not hesitate to send mares to him if I could afford it.
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Posted By: ianb
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 7:54pm
Posted By: Fremz
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 10:05pm
I agree with Quez, I think he will be a star stallion. He's going to appeal to a lot of mares in this country. I believe he is going to have the rare ability to create sprinters right through to stayers, depending on what he is mated with.
The Sadlers Wells line has proven to cross well with Danehill/Danzig line mares, So You Think probably has as much brilliance than any stallion through that line in the world today, and you'd be hard pressed to find one as good looking.
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 11:02am
He certainly is a handsome type, such regal looks and muscular build, he has to throw some magificent types for sure, and being black he will put out blacks too with the right mares...gotta love a black horse with a white blaze...sharp..!!
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 11:06am
Just on service fees..
If he stands for 66k and his first crop won't be seen for 3 years, what chances are there that his fee will drop before the first crop races..?
I'm just thinking that if you wanted to send a mare to him but not pay 66k wait till right before his first crop race and gamble they will be good runners and pop your mare into him right before then...if his books are small, then a reduction in fee would ensue or no..?
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Posted By: don
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 2:59pm
The question I always ask myself is "what would his fee be if he turns out to be really successful -say in the top 10 Australian sires?'
In a lot of cases a really successful stallion ends up with a lesser fee than his initial price.
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Posted By: carche
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 3:58pm
Quezacotl wrote:
Just on service fees..
If he stands for 66k and his first crop won't be seen for 3 years, what chances are there that his fee will drop before the first crop races..?
I'm just thinking that if you wanted to send a mare to him but not pay 66k wait till right before his first crop race and gamble they will be good runners and pop your mare into him right before then...if his books are small, then a reduction in fee would ensue or no..?
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Take a look at Lonhro. Started on $66K. By 2009 it had dropped to $33K, up to $88K in 2010, down to $77K in 2011, now skyrocketed to $110K this season.
It might be, as in the case with Lonhro & Woodlands/Darley, that a large percentage of the early mares he serves will be those owned by Coolmore who may retain a portion of his yearlings to race under their banner (look at Fastnet Rock and Atlantic Jewel as an example). I could be wrong of course.
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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 4:29pm
Quezacotl wrote:
Just on service fees..
If he stands for 66k and his first crop won't be seen for 3 years, what chances are there that his fee will drop before the first crop races..?
I'm just thinking that if you wanted to send a mare to him but not pay 66k wait till right before his first crop race and gamble they will be good runners and pop your mare into him right before then...if his books are small, then a reduction in fee would ensue or no..?
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They probably won't drop his advertised price, but would most likely negotiate a reduced fee to try and fill that 4th year book (also generally works that way in the 3rd year too). Different though when you start talking about these 'superstar' horses when they go to stud, as they generally have little trouble filling them regardless. Sea the Stars has had no trouble filling his book 3 years in a row without a drop in fee. I tend to try and operate on sending mares to stallions in their 3rd or 4th year due to my reduced budget. I think you have more to work with than that of a 1st or 2nd year sire, so while it is still a punt you can take some of the guess work out.
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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 4:33pm
carche wrote:
Quezacotl wrote:
Just on service fees..
If he stands for 66k and his first crop won't be seen for 3 years, what chances are there that his fee will drop before the first crop races..?
I'm just thinking that if you wanted to send a mare to him but not pay 66k wait till right before his first crop race and gamble they will be good runners and pop your mare into him right before then...if his books are small, then a reduction in fee would ensue or no..?
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Take a look at Lonhro. Started on $66K. By 2009 it had dropped to $33K, up to $88K in 2010, down to $77K in 2011, now skyrocketed to $110K this season.
It might be, as in the case with Lonhro & Woodlands/Darley, that a large percentage of the early mares he serves will be those owned by Coolmore who may retain a portion of his yearlings to race under their banner (look at Fastnet Rock and Atlantic Jewel as an example). I could be wrong of course. |
In Australia everything is for sale. They do go and then buy a selected few at the sales, and keep horses to race who don't meet the reserve.
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 4:38pm
MichaelM wrote:
Quezacotl wrote:
Just on service fees..
If he stands for 66k and his first crop won't be seen for 3 years, what chances are there that his fee will drop before the first crop races..?
I'm just thinking that if you wanted to send a mare to him but not pay 66k wait till right before his first crop race and gamble they will be good runners and pop your mare into him right before then...if his books are small, then a reduction in fee would ensue or no..?
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They probably won't drop his advertised price, but would most likely negotiate a reduced fee to try and fill that 4th year book (also generally works that way in the 3rd year too). Different though when you start talking about these 'superstar' horses when they go to stud, as they generally have little trouble filling them regardless. Sea the Stars has had no trouble filling his book 3 years in a row without a drop in fee. I tend to try and operate on sending mares to stallions in their 3rd or 4th year due to my reduced budget. I think you have more to work with than that of a 1st or 2nd year sire, so while it is still a punt you can take some of the guess work out. |
Yeah this is what I getting at, it's gamble cause their progeny could be duds or superstars! but it's that third year where you find a crossroads in the stallions career and pricing, and it's here where you might just snag a bargain if he takes off the next few following years..Lonhro is a great example.
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Posted By: Sullenberger
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 9:23pm
Fastnetrock wrote:
He will be the first 1 booked out so fee is right IMO |
Fastnet,fastnet,fastnet ! You will bê the first booked out , u super shagger !
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Posted By: carche
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 8:55am
Thanks MichaelM for providing your insight knowledge into the breeding game. This section of the forum is usually out of bounds for me as I've not a clue, but I've gained a greater appreciation thanks to our members who live and breath it and contribute their wealth of knowledge. Many thanks.
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Posted By: Wortel
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 11:20am
You need to start quality horses off on a high fee to prevent garbage mares bringing the stats down.
I think 66k is very fair and could've been 6 figures given his dual hemisphere G1 performances.
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 11:25am
carche wrote:
Thanks MichaelM for providing your insight knowledge into the breeding game. This section of the forum is usually out of bounds for me as I've not a clue, but I've gained a greater appreciation thanks to our members who live and breath it and contribute their wealth of knowledge. Many thanks. |
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 1:57pm
MichaelM wrote:
Biggles wrote:
What's happened to Starspangledbanner? |
Fertility issues I believe. |
I heard the "fertility issues" thing too re SSB - I
gather it was mentioned on TVN, but with no detail. Anyone know any more? He stood his first season in the UK in 2011,
with apparently a book of 64 mares (but I don't know how many live foals), then
came south for an understandably bigger book of 116 mares, of which only 7 have
so far appeared in the Stud Book as "missed". So if there are indeed "fertility issues",
there must be a lot of missed mares not yet returned as such, because that
looks like a pretty good percentage so far!
But doesn't that show up within the first 6 weeks or so?
Also, did the "fertility issues" thing apply in
the northern hemisphere as well? Odd, if so, because the northern season begins
in February, so you'd think they'd have found out there was a problem long before
he began here in September?
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 2:15pm
As you suggest Amateur the only returns thus far will be in respect of those who've missed or slipped, however generally speaking the majority of breeders don't ususally return mares that've missed until later in the year. Or in more than the odd case don't return them at all. So in reality the returns to date don't actually prove much at all just yet. The point about NH covers is well made, so over to others who might know a bit more.
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Posted By: Fastnetrock
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 4:07pm
Click on the mares name and you will find most mares got covered by another stallion so wont come up as missed. Had issues in Ireland then came here and got smashed with 116 mares which is a lot considering they took him out of service half way thru season. Then went back to Ireland for more.
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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 4:43pm
Aha! Thanks - I didn't think to check out the individual mares. But won't they still show in his stallion fertility stats, even if they don't end up "missed" on their own page? Or will they just disappear into the inevitable gap referred to by RFF between number served and number of mare returns? And you're right, he did indeed go back up north. He's up on the Coolmore Ireland site for the 2012 season with a 2012 fee of 10k in Euros, but his "stud record" tab on the site is just a one-page ad about what a wonderful racehorse he was, and nothing about numbers of 2012 foals or new covers. Still, if they're prepared to put him out again up north, he can't have been a complete flop up there, so I suspect you're right: he did OK up there, but they overdid it with the book size down here. So no trip south this year at least - not until he's recovered his strength and the dust has settled on an apparently less-than-glorious first season. And by next year they'll probably have some pretty baby-photos from the north to show us what nice foals he can make (given half a chance...!).
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 5:05pm
Can't they check fertily before a stallion is sold off to stud to perform duties..?
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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 5:48pm
I remembered this thread which covered most of the discussion around Starspangledbanner and his fertility issues and why they don't test for fertility pre-purchase. http://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/starspangledbanner_topic35393_post595051.html?KW=starspangledbanner#595051" rel="nofollow - http://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/starspangledbanner_topic35393_post595051.html?KW=starspangledbanner#595051
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 5:56pm
Should know the answer to this but don't. How do you identify which mares a stallion covers in a particular season? Any help appreciated.
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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 5:58pm
Go to the stallion on the studbook website, click on fertility statistics then click on the year in question.
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Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 6:52pm
MichaelM wrote:
Go to the stallion on the studbook website, click on fertility statistics then click on the year in question. |
Marvelous stuff. Thanks MichaelM.
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Posted By: EverydayImShufflin
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 8:20am
Coolmore already starting to push him, and deal......... even they know he'll be tough work at 66k!
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 9:39am
Are they just going to retire Starspangled Banner or work on him like they did with Foreplay. Mind you I think Foreplay had better fertility than Starspangle Banner appeared to have.
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Posted By: Quezacotl
Date Posted: 04 May 2012 at 9:54am
Geld him and put him back into work..LOL..!!
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Posted By: Munga Rangi
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2012 at 4:50pm
Out of curiosity, what sort of mares do my learned friends think will be the best match for SYT??
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2014 at 6:13am
http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/366/" rel="nofollow - 366 | F | So You Think (NZ) | Baby Blue Eyes (IRE) | Ballingara Racing Stables | Withdrawn | | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/422/" rel="nofollow - 422 | F | So You Think (NZ) | Gilt Free (IRE) | Eclipse Bloodstock | Withdrawn | | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/529/" rel="nofollow - 529 | C | So You Think (NZ) | Rose Parade (GB) | Woodford Stud | Anglia Bloodstock Ltd | €48,000 | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/530/" rel="nofollow - 530 | F | So You Think (NZ) | Roselyn (GB) | Jockey Hall Stud | Rathasker Stud | €14,500 | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/533/" rel="nofollow - 533 | C | So You Think (NZ) | Ruby Suesday (GB) | Railstown Stud | Withdrawn | | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/622/" rel="nofollow - 622 | F | So You Think (NZ) | Bravada (GER) | Killourney Mor Farm | Emerald Bloodstock | €16,000 | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/799/" rel="nofollow - 799 | F | So You Think (NZ) | Snippets (IRE) | River Downs Stud | Withdrawn | | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/854/" rel="nofollow - 854 | C | So You Think (NZ) | Bali Breeze (IRE) | Ballybin Stud | Withdrawn | | http://goffs.com/sales-results/sales/november-foal-sale-2014/858/" rel="nofollow - 858 | C | So You Think (NZ) | Bolero Again (IRE) | The Premier Consignment | John P McGovern | €8,000 |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2014 at 6:14am
So You Think (NZ) 2006 | | | | Life Number: NZ00252271 | bay or brown stallion | Date of Birth: 10/11/2006 |
| Microchip Number: N/A | | DNA Typed: Y |
| | by High Chaparral (IRE) 1998 | Contact: Coolmore Australia |
| from Triassic (NZ) 1990 | | Ph: 02 65764200 |
| bred by M J Moran & Piper Farm Ltd | 2014 advertised service fee: $55000 |
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Stallion Fertility Statistics | Season | Mares Covered | Mares Returned | Missed | Slipped | Dead Foals | Live Foals | Fertility Percent | Service Fee | http://www.studbook.org.au/Horse.aspx?hid=941953&pagetype=STALPROD&season=2014" rel="nofollow - 2013 | 206 | 159 | 21 | 8 | 2 | 128 | (3) | 86.8% | $66000 | http://www.studbook.org.au/Horse.aspx?hid=941953&pagetype=STALPROD&season=2013" rel="nofollow - 2012 | 168 | 162 | 22 | 9 | 3 | 128 | (4) | 86.4% | $66000 | Total | 374 | 321 | 43 | 17 | 5 | 256 | (7) |
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2014 at 8:06am
I really like him....BUT can see his service at $25k in a few years.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2014 at 8:16am
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 3:20pm
So how did he go at Easter ?
He had a beautiful grey filly out of Figure Of Eight sell for just $55.000.
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 4:33pm
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Entries |
Sold |
PassedIn |
Withdrawn |
Aggregate |
Avg Price |
Top Price |
So You Think (NZ) |
32 |
26 |
5 |
1 |
$4,253,000 |
$163,577 |
$610,000 |
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 4:41pm
Family of Dancing Brave and inbred to Sadler's Wells. Maybe people thought it would be too stout for Australia. But your right a very interesting pedigree. There was a nice grey Redoute's filly also.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 5:02pm
furious wrote:
Family of Dancing Brave and inbred to Sadler's Wells. Maybe people thought it would be too stout for Australia. But your right a very interesting pedigree. There was a nice grey Redoute's filly also. |
Wish I was more disciplined I'd buy her just for her potential breeding career anything on track a bonus.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 11:16am
Isn't this exciting.
Warwick Farm race 1
TOO FAST FOR LOVE (AUS) | Bay filly 2013 | |
So You Think Bay 2006 | High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Delsy | 1975 1972 | 1-l 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Koblenza | 1976 1966 | 2-o 1-n | Triassic Bay 1990 | Tights Bay 1981 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Dancealot Bay 1971 | Round Table Music Please | 1954 1963 | 2-f 16-g | Astral Row Brown 1979 | Long Row Brown 1970 | Linacre Front Row | 1960 1965 | 15-a 42> | Pak Bun Bay Bay 1970 | Matinee Idol Philipolo | 1956 1960 | 13-e 13-a | Vecchia Roma Brown 2004 | Testa Rossa Bay 1996 | Perugino Bay or brown 1991 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Bo Dapper Bay 1985 | Sir Dapper Bay 1980 | Vain Sikri | 1966 1967 | A10 C25 | Bodega Bay 1973 | Without Fear Salon | 1967 1964 | 4-c 1-w | Mirror Image Brown 1996 | Rustic Amber Bay 1983 | Thatching Bay 1975 | Thatch Abella | 1970 1968 | 5-h 5-h | Forever Amber Chestnut 1969 | Bold Lad Ambergris | 1964 1958 | 2-e 22> | Comroyale Chestnut 1983 | Comeram Chestnut 1973 | Amber Rama Comely | 1967 1966 | 1-h 9-f | Royal Plate Bay 1975 | Lunchtime Decree | 1970 1968 | 7-f A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m,5m x 5m | | Fairy Bridge | 4m x 4m |
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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 11:24am
She was just lovely as a yearling - hope she goes as well as looked then. (I have backed her today, so probably too much weight on her now)
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 4:12pm
Why is Fastnet Rock so much more than Encosta?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 4:29pm
Encosta is retired. At his peak he stood for $300k plus, FR's highest advertised fee was/is $275k.
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Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 7:40pm
I thought FR was/is private? Which to me is code for ridiculously large.
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 7:41pm
It is - not worth the price IMO
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2015 at 9:12am
Has an interesting chance in the next at Ellerslie to get off the mark.
Its an interesting race. We pigeon hole the Kiwis as being patient yet there is a gelded son of Pour Moi in the race as well. Nothing patient about that in my opinion.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2015 at 9:13am
GOLD RUSH (NZ) 2013 Brown filly by So You Think - Gold Rocks, by Oratorio
| SO YOU THINK (NZ) B. or Br. 2006 GW 14 wins f:49 r:1 | | High Chaparral B. 1999 GW 10 wins f:1590 r:1234 w:722 SW:75 | | Sadler's Wells B. 1981 GW 6 wins f:2140 r:1678 w:1082 SW:291 | | Northern Dancer | 2 | 1 | Fairy Bridge | 5 | | Kasora B. 1993 NR f:14 r:12 w:9 SW:2 | | Darshaan | 13 | | Kozana | 1 | | Triassic B. 1990 GW 3 wins f:9 r:9 w:8 SW:1 | | Tights B. 1981 GW 9 wins f:276 r:231 w:148 SW:18 | | Nijinsky | 8 | | Dancealot | 16 | | Astral Row Br. 1979 SP 6 wins f:4 r:4 w:3 SW:1 | | Long Row | 42 | | Pak Bun Bay | 13 | | GOLD ROCKS (AUS) Br. 2006 GW 4 wins f:2 r:1 w:1 SW:1 | | Oratorio B. 2001 GW 4 wins f:421 r:318 w:179 SW:12 | | Stravinsky B. 1996 GW 3 wins f:1397 r:1195 w:869 SW:74 | 1 | Nureyev | 5 | | Fire the Groom | 3 | | Express a Smile B. 1995 NR f:10 r:10 w:7 SW:4 | | Success Express | 17 | | Hold That Smile | 3 | | Alozie Ch. 1998 NP f:7 r:6 w:3 SW:1 | | Luskin Star Ch. 1974 GW 13 wins f:876 r:750 w:512 SW:31 | | Kaoru Star | 31 | | Promising | 2 | | Lilnaju Princess Ch. 1990 Pld f:2 r:2 w:1 | | Zeditave | 1 | | Madame Monet | 13
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2015 at 9:23am
very green - looks a bit early for it. BUT nice run.
I think this boy is going to be an absolute star
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Posted By: Nostradamus II
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2015 at 11:24am
"Has an interesting chance in the next at Ellerslie to get off the mark.
Its an interesting race. We pigeon hole the Kiwis as being patient yet there is a gelded son of Pour Moi in the race as well. Nothing patient about that in my opinion."
Sacred Elixir well supported and fought gallantly with winner O'Rachael who was slow away and was also a certainty beaten last start. $2.25 fixed odds on O'Rachael very nice thank you. Looked the two to beat.
http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/44539/2/Race-Detail.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzracing.co.nz/RaceInfo/44539/2/Race-Detail.aspx
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Posted By: Nostradamus II
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2015 at 11:29am
Full siblings Thatch and Special along with 3/4 sister Scruff as granddam of Northern Meteor
O'Rachael (2013) - F - 23-b by Northern Meteor out of Guessed by Snippetson to 8 generationsNorthern Meteor 2005 | Encosta De Lago 1993 | Fairy King 1982 | Northern Dancer 1961 | Nearctic 1954 | Nearco 1935 | Pharos 1920 | Phalaris Scapa Flow | 1913 - 1-i 1914 - 13-e | Nogara 1928 | Havresac II Catnip | 1915 - 8-h 1910 - 4-r | Lady Angela 1944 | Hyperion 1930 | Gainsborough Selene | 1915 - 2-n 1919 - 6-e | Sister Sarah 1930 | Abbots Trace Sarita | 1917 - 4-j 1924 - 14-c | Natalma 1957 | Native Dancer 1950 | Polynesian 1942 | Unbreakable Black Polly | 1935 - 4-i 1936 - 14-a | Geisha 1943 | Discovery Miyako | 1931 - 23-b 1935 - 5-f | Almahmoud 1947 | Mahmoud 1933 | Blenheim Mah Mahal | 1927 - 1-e 1928 - 9-c | Arbitrator 1937 | Peace Chance Mother Goose | 1931 - 10-d 1922 - 2-d | Fairy Bridge 1975 | Bold Reason 1968 | Hail To Reason 1958 | Turn-To 1951 | Royal Charger Source Sucree | 1942 - 9-c 1940 - 1-w | Nothirdchance 1948 | Blue Swords Galla Colors | 1940 - 7 1943 - 4-n | Lalun 1952 | Djeddah 1945 | Djebel Djezima | 1937 - 5-j 1933 - 13-c | Be Faithful 1942 | Bimelech Bloodroot | 1937 - 1-x 1932 - 19-b | Special 1969 | Forli 1963 | Aristophanes 1948 | Hyperion Commotion | 1930 - 6-e 1938 - 9-c | Trevisa 1951 | Advocate Veneta | 1940 - 4-k 1940 - 3-b | Thong 1964 | Nantallah 1953 | Nasrullah Shimmer | 1940 - 9-c 1945 - 6 | Rough Shod 1944 | Gold Bridge Dalmary | 1929 - 22-d 1931 - 5-h | Shoal Creek 1988 | Star Way 1977 | Star Appeal 1970 | Appiani 1963 | Herbager 1956 | Vandale Flagette | 1943 - 3-c 1951 - 16-c | Angela Rucellai 1954 | Rockefella Aristareta | 1941 - 7-a 1947 - 4-f | Sterna 1960 | Neckar 1948 | Ticino Nixe | 1939 - 20-b 1941 - 4-r | Stammesart 1944 | Alchimist Stammesfahne | 1930 - 9-h 1929 - 5-d | New Way 1970 | Klairon 1952 | Clarion 1944 | Djebel Columba | 1937 - 5-j 1930 - 1-n | Kalmia 1931 | Kantar Sweet Lavender | 1925 - 3-n 1923 - 1-w | New Move 1958 | Umberto 1951 | Umidwar Shello | 1931 - 3-e 1944 - 2-f | New Moon 1940 | Solfo Selene | 1934 - 4-l 1919 - 6-e | Rolls 1984 | Mr Prospector 1970 | Raise A Native 1961 | Native Dancer 1950 | Polynesian Geisha | 1942 - 14-a 1943 - 5-f | Raise You 1946 | Case Ace Lady Glory | 1934 - 1-k 1934 - 8-f | Gold Digger 1962 | Nashua 1952 | Nasrullah Segula | 1940 - 9-c 1942 - 3-m | Sequence 1946 | Count Fleet Miss Dogwood | 1940 - 6 1939 - 13-c | Grand Luxe 1974 | Sir Ivor 1965 | Sir Gaylord 1959 | Turn-To Somethingroyal | 1951 - 1-w 1952 - 2-s | Attica 1953 | Mr Trouble Athenia | 1947 - 13-b 1943 - 8-g | Fanfreluche 1967 | Northern Dancer 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 - 14-c 1957 - 2-d | Ciboulette 1961 | Chop Chop Windy Answer | 1940 - 2-a 1955 - 4-g | Explosive 1990 | Fappiano 1977 | Mr Prospector 1970 | Raise A Native 1961 | Native Dancer 1950 | Polynesian 1942 | Unbreakable Black Polly | 1935 - 4-i 1936 - 14-a | Geisha 1943 | Discovery Miyako | 1931 - 23-b 1935 - 5-f | Raise You 1946 | Case Ace 1934 | Teddy Sweetheart | 1913 - 2-n 1920 - 1-k | Lady Glory 1934 | American Flag Beloved | 1922 - 7 1927 - 8-f | Gold Digger 1962 | Nashua 1952 | Nasrullah 1940 | Nearco Mumtaz Begum | 1935 - 4-r 1932 - 9-c | Segula 1942 | Johnstown Sekhmet | 1936 - 17-b 1929 - 3-m | Sequence 1946 | Count Fleet 1940 | Reigh Count Quickly | 1925 - 2-d 1930 - 6 | Miss Dogwood 1939 | Bull Dog Myrtlewood | 1927 - 16-a 1932 - 13-c | Killaloe 1970 | Dr Fager 1964 | Rough 'n Tumble 1948 | Free For All 1942 | Questionnaire Panay | 1927 - 2-o 1934 - 1-l | Roused 1943 | Bull Dog Rude Awakening | 1927 - 16-a 1936 - 1-o | Aspidistra 1954 | Better Self 1945 | Bimelech Bee Mac | 1937 - 1-x 1941 - 20 | Tilly Rose 1948 | Bull Brier Tilly Kate | 1938 - 4-m 1935 - 1-r | Grand Splendor 1962 | Correlation 1951 | Free America 1945 | Blenheim Columbiana | 1927 - 1-e 1933 - 8-f | Braydore 1935 | Roidore Bray Beauty | 1922 - 16-b 1928 - 9-e | Cequillo 1956 | Princequillo 1940 | Prince Rose Cosquilla | 1928 - 10-c 1933 - 1-b | Boldness 1948 | Mahmoud Hostility | 1933 - 9-c 1936 - 16-a | Scuff 1979 | Forli 1963 | Aristophanes 1948 | Hyperion 1930 | Gainsborough 1915 | Bayardo Rosedrop | 1906 - 10-a 1907 - 2-n | Selene 1919 | Chaucer Serenissima | 1900 - 1-g 1913 - 6-e | Commotion 1938 | Mieuxce 1933 | Massine L'Olivete | 1920 - 12 1925 - 7-d | Riot 1929 | Colorado Lady Juror | 1923 - 3-l 1919 - 9-c | Trevisa 1951 | Advocate 1940 | Fair Trial 1932 | Fairway Lady Juror | 1925 - 13-e 1919 - 9-c | Guiding Star 1928 | Papyrus Ocean Light | 1920 - 16-f 1917 - 4-k | Veneta 1940 | Foxglove 1935 | Foxhunter Staylace | 1929 - 1-l 1928 - 3-d | Dogaresa 1923 | Your Majesty Casiopea | 1905 - 22-d 1906 - 3-b | Moccasin 1963 | Nantallah 1953 | Nasrullah 1940 | Nearco 1935 | Pharos Nogara | 1920 - 13-e 1928 - 4-r | Mumtaz Begum 1932 | Blenheim Mumtaz Mahal | 1927 - 1-e 1921 - 9-c | Shimmer 1945 | Flares 1933 | Gallant Fox Flambino | 1927 - 4-n 1924 - 17-b | Broad Ripple 1934 | Stimulus Hocus Pocus | 1922 - 12 1928 - 6 | Rough Shod 1944 | Gold Bridge 1929 | Golden Boss 1920 | The Boss Golden Hen | 1910 - 24 1901 - 19 | Flying Diadem 1923 | Diadumenos Flying Bridge | 1910 - 2-n 1911 - 22-d | Dalmary 1931 | Blandford 1919 | Swynford Blanche | 1907 - 1-g 1912 - 3-o | Simon's Shoes 1914 | Simon Square Goody Two Shoes | 1904 - 4-n 1899 - 5-h | Guessed 2007 | Snippetson 2001 | Snippets 1984 | Lunchtime 1970 | Silly Season 1962 | Tom Fool 1949 | Menow 1935 | Pharamond II Alcibiades | 1925 - 6-e 1927 - 8-g | Gaga 1942 | Bull Dog Alpoise | 1927 - 16-a 1937 - 3-j | Double Deal II 1946 | Straight Deal 1940 | Solario Good Deal | 1922 - 26 1932 - 1-t | Nonats 1937 | King Salmon Whitebait | 1930 - 1-e 1931 - 1-g | Great Occasion 1965 | Hornbeam 1953 | Hyperion 1930 | Gainsborough Selene | 1915 - 2-n 1919 - 6-e | Thicket 1947 | Nasrullah Thorn Wood | 1940 - 9-c 1942 - 1-p | Golden Wedding 1959 | Sunny Brae 1948 | Torbido (dup) Sun Petal | 1941 - 16-h 1942 - 3-i | Flighty Falls 1952 | Falls Of Clyde Swarm | 1944 - 8-c 1941 - 7-f | Easy Date 1977 | Grand Chaudiere 1968 | Northern Dancer 1961 | Nearctic 1954 | Nearco Lady Angela | 1935 - 4-r 1944 - 14-c | Natalma 1957 | Native Dancer Almahmoud | 1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d | Lachine 1960 | Grey Sovereign 1948 | Nasrullah Kong | 1940 - 9-c 1933 - 6-f | Loved One 1947 | Vigorous Sama | 1941 - 8-a 1927 - 19-b | Scampering 1971 | Misty Day 1958 | Nasrullah 1940 | Nearco Mumtaz Begum | 1935 - 4-r 1932 - 9-c | Grey Flight 1945 | Mahmoud Planetoid | 1933 - 9-c 1934 - 5-f | Scamper Away 1966 | Hitting Away 1958 | Ambiorix Striking | 1946 - 1-w 1947 - 1-x | Omelet Souffle 1953 | Eight Thirty Miel | 1936 - 11-b 1942 - 20-a | Snowdrift 1994 | Polish Precedent 1986 | Danzig 1977 | Northern Dancer 1961 | Nearctic 1954 | Nearco Lady Angela | 1935 - 4-r 1944 - 14-c | Natalma 1957 | Native Dancer Almahmoud | 1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d | Pas De Nom 1968 | Admiral's Voyage 1959 | Crafty Admiral Olympia Lou | 1948 - 8-c 1952 - 4-n | Petitioner 1952 | Petition Steady Aim | 1944 - 16-h 1943 - 7-a | Past Example 1976 | Buckpasser 1963 | Tom Fool 1949 | Menow Gaga | 1935 - 8-g 1942 - 3-j | Busanda 1947 | War Admiral Businesslike | 1934 - 11-b 1939 - 1-x | Bold Example 1969 | Bold Lad 1962 | Bold Ruler Misty Morn | 1954 - 8-d 1952 - 5-f | Lady Be Good 1956 | Better Self Past Eight | 1945 - 20 1945 - 8-h | Snowtop 1983 | Thatching 1975 | Thatch 1970 | Forli 1963 | Aristophanes Trevisa | 1948 - 9-c 1951 - 3-b | Thong 1964 | Nantallah Rough Shod | 1953 - 6 1944 - 5-h | Abella 1968 | Abernant 1946 | Owen Tudor Rustom Mahal | 1938 - 10-b 1934 - 9-c | Darrica 1958 | Darius Erica Fragrans | 1951 - 1-t 1946 - 5-h | Icing 1973 | Prince Tenderfoot 1967 | Blue Prince 1951 | Princequillo Blue Denim | 1940 - 1-b 1940 - 16-c | La Tendresse 1959 | Grey Sovereign Isetta | 1948 - 6-f 1943 - 8-c | Cake 1967 | Never Say Die 1951 | Nasrullah Singing Grass | 1940 - 9-c 1944 - 1-n | La Marseillaise 1952 | Alycidon Ballisland | 1945 - 1-w 1946 - 13-e | Brilliantdeduction 1989 | Capote 1984 | Seattle Slew 1974 | Bold Reasoning 1968 | Boldnesian 1963 | Bold Ruler 1954 | Nasrullah Miss Disco | 1940 - 9-c 1944 - 8-d | Alanesian 1954 | Polynesian Alablue | 1942 - 14-a 1945 - 4-m | Reason To Earn 1963 | Hail To Reason 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 - 1-w 1948 - 4-n | Sailing Home 1948 | Wait A Bit Marching Home | 1939 - 4-r 1932 - 1-k | My Charmer 1969 | Poker 1963 | Round Table 1954 | Princequillo Knight's Daughter | 1940 - 1-b 1941 - 2-f | Glamour 1953 | Nasrullah Striking | 1940 - 9-c 1947 - 1-x | Fair Charmer 1959 | Jet Action 1951 | Jet Pilot Busher | 1944 - 13-c 1942 - 1-x | Myrtle Charm 1946 | Alsab Crepe Myrtle | 1939 - 27-a 1938 - 13-c | Too Bald 1964 | Bald Eagle 1955 | Nasrullah 1940 | Nearco 1935 | Pharos Nogara | 1920 - 13-e 1928 - 4-r | Mumtaz Begum 1932 | Blenheim Mumtaz Mahal | 1927 - 1-e 1921 - 9-c | Siama 1947 | Tiger 1935 | Bull Dog Starless Moment | 1927 - 16-a 1928 - 13-c | China Face 1940 | Display Sweepilla | 1923 - 2-u 1931 - 4-m | Hidden Talent 1956 | Dark Star 1950 | Royal Gem II 1942 | Dhoti French Gem | 1936 - 2-d 1935 - 1-c | Isolde 1938 | Bull Dog Fiji | 1927 - 16-a 1931 - 3-n | Dangerous Dame 1951 | Nasrullah 1940 | Nearco Mumtaz Begum | 1935 - 4-r 1932 - 9-c | Lady Kells 1944 | His Highness Anyway | 1936 - 2 1935 - 21-a | My Dear Plum 1969 | Royal Intent 1964 | Intentionally 1956 | Intent 1948 | War Relic 1938 | Man O' War Friar's Carse | 1917 - 4-c 1923 - 1-o | Liz F 1933 | Bubbling Over Weno | 1923 - 8-h 1922 - 8-c | My Recipe 1947 | Discovery 1931 | Display Ariadne | 1923 - 2-u 1926 - 23-b | Perlette 1934 | Percentage Escarpolette | 1923 - 18-a 1917 - 5-j | Flying Princess 1959 | Princequillo 1940 | Prince Rose 1928 | Rose Prince Indolence | 1919 - 11-e 1920 - 10-c | Cosquilla 1933 | Papyrus Quick Thought | 1920 - 16-f 1918 - 1-b | Wings O' Morn 1950 | Alsab 1939 | Good Goods Winds Chant | 1931 - 2-o 1931 - 27-a | Good Morning 1940 | Sir Gallahad III Morning | 1920 - 16-a 1934 - 9 | Gobbler's Image 1958 | Gobbler 1956 | Bolingbroke 1937 | Equipoise 1928 | Pennant Swinging | 1911 - 8-c 1922 - 5-j | Wayabout 1929 | Fair Play Damaris II | 1905 - 9-e 1914 - 1-m | Pet 1938 | Pharamond II 1925 | Phalaris Selene | 1913 - 1-i 1919 - 6-e | Helen's Babe 1923 | Brown Prince Helen Barbee | 1914 - 3-i 1908 - 13 | Play Eda 1945 | Chance Play 1923 | Fair Play 1905 | Hastings Fairy Gold | 1893 - 21-a 1896 - 9-e | Quelle Chance 1917 | Ethelbert Qu'elle Est Belle II | 1896 - 23-a 1909 - 3-c | Sun Edah 1929 | Sun Briar 1915 | Sundridge Sweet Briar | 1898 - 2-g 1908 - 8-c | Edwina 1917 | Celt Lady Godiva | 1905 - 1-g 1899 - 23-b | TesioPower
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2016 at 8:53am
Has his 1st 2yo runner in Europe tonight in the first 2yo race of the season. Cosy CLub, Not a good name for a colt.
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2016 at 7:51pm
So You Think he is worth 66k.
Me no think.
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 5:31am
When a stallion is offered for private sale that is a sign that the stud has either reduced his fee because he is on the wane or they have no confidence in the price they are asking imo.
Either way when you see this method of selling which is opposite to the market in general;
Buyer Beware!
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Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 8:59am
When was he listed as private? Was dropped to $49,500 in 2015 - not surprising given Australia's appetite for speed horses and first season sires.
I for one think he's going pretty well so far. Four runners, one group 2 winner (Gold Rush), one listed place getter (Conscious at her first start). For a stallion that should be siring better three year olds, seems pretty good to me!
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 9:04am
Cosy Club ran a fair race on debut - Result - http://www.racingpost.com/horses/result_home.sd?race_id=646359&r_date=2016-03-20&popup=yes#results_top_tabs=re_&results_bottom_tabs=ANALYSIS" rel="nofollow - http://www.racingpost.com/horses/result_home.sd?race_id=646359&r_date=2016-03-20&popup=yes#results_top_tabs=re_&results_bottom_tabs=ANALYSIS
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 12:11pm
I would not sack him Aure - he is going to be very good. Agree re: price
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 4:51pm
Definitely not sacking him as a sire, Comments re: private fee were about Fastnet Rock.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2016 at 12:12pm
BETCHA THINKING (AUS) | Bay colt 2013 | |
So You Think Bay 2006 | High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Delsy | 1975 1972 | 1-l 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Koblenza | 1976 1966 | 2-o 1-n | Triassic Bay 1990 | Tights Bay 1981 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Dancealot Bay 1971 | Round Table Music Please | 1954 1963 | 2-f 16-g | Astral Row Brown 1979 | Long Row Brown 1970 | Linacre Front Row | 1960 1965 | 15-a 42> | Pak Bun Bay Bay 1970 | Matinee Idol Philipolo | 1956 1960 | 13-e 13-a | We Betcha Brown 2006 | Encosta de Lago Bay 1993 | Fairy King Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Shoal Creek Chestnut 1988 | Star Way Chestnut 1977 | Star Appeal New Way | 1970 1970 | 5-d 6-e | Rolls Chestnut 1984 | Mr Prospector Grand Luxe | 1970 1974 | 13-c 4-g | Wager Bay 2001 | Flying Spur Bay 1992 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Razyana | 1977 1981 | 7-a 2-d | Rolls Chestnut 1984 | Mr Prospector Grand Luxe | 1970 1974 | 13-c 4-g | Occasional Gain Chestnut 1991 | Lunchtime Chestnut 1970 | Silly Season Great Occasion | 1962 1965 | 1-g 7-f | Marks Gain Bay 1986 | Biscay Golden Band | 1965 1975 | 2-o 14-c |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m,5m x 4m | | Fairy Bridge | 4m x 4m | | Rolls | x 4f,4m |
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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2016 at 12:27pm
Above racing Hawkesbury R5 today.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2016 at 2:05pm
So You Think is going to be a super stallion, Its a shame those in charge of training his youngsters in Australia will not be up to the same level.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2016 at 11:01am
This fully is about to jump in New Zealand, she has already won over 1000m but really took her time to win the race. Really she should be stepping up in trip not staying at 1000m.
Be interesting to see how she goes.
LA DIOSA (NZ) | Bay filly 2013 | |
So You Think Bay 2006 | High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Delsy | 1975 1972 | 1-l 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Koblenza | 1976 1966 | 2-o 1-n | Triassic Bay 1990 | Tights Bay 1981 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Dancealot Bay 1971 | Round Table Music Please | 1954 1963 | 2-f 16-g | Astral Row Brown 1979 | Long Row Brown 1970 | Linacre Front Row | 1960 1965 | 15-a 42> | Pak Bun Bay Bay 1970 | Matinee Idol Philipolo | 1956 1960 | 13-e 13-a | Star Affair Bay 1998 | Star Way Chestnut 1977 | Star Appeal Bay 1970 | Appiani Bay 1963 | Herbager Angela Rucellai | 1956 1954 | 16-c 4-f | Sterna Brown 1960 | Neckar Stammesart | 1948 1944 | 4-r 5-d | New Way Chestnut 1970 | Klairon Bay 1952 | Clarion Kalmia | 1944 1931 | 1-n 1-w | New Move Bay 1958 | Umberto New Moon | 1951 1940 | 2-f 6-e | The Grin Brown 1992 | Grosvenor Bay 1979 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | My Tricia Brown 1974 | Hermes Gay Poss | 1963 1966 | 11-d 8> | The Dimple Bay 1977 | Noble Bijou Bay 1971 | Vaguely Noble Priceless Gem | 1965 1963 | 1-d 1-s | The Pixie Chestnut 1968 | Mellay The Kurd | 1961 1961 | 2-i 2-b |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m,5m x |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2016 at 11:22am
That filly should be winning any Oaks in Australasia. She is outstanding.
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Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2016 at 8:18am
djebel wrote:
That filly should be winning any Oaks in Australasia. She is outstanding.
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Getting a little carried away there
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 1:09pm
Australian trainers are seriously useless.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 1:12pm
Why would So You Too deserve to be gelded ?
He is yet to run in a suitable race.
And what the kiss are they doing with Conscious ?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 1:35pm
djebel wrote:
And what the kiss are they doing with Conscious? |
Bred totally along sprinting lines on the dam side, so suspect they might have the 1000 gns as a likely target.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 1:37pm
Make that ...predominantly along sprinting lines....
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 1:44pm
Second Chance wrote:
djebel wrote:
And what the kiss are they doing with Conscious? |
Bred totally along sprinting lines on the dam side, so suspect they might have the 1000 gns as a likely target. |
And she will be butchered by the time she gets there.
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Posted By: subastral
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 1:55pm
Think he can win Black Type today in Adelaide with Smart as you Think
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 2:06pm
djebel wrote:
Second Chance wrote:
djebel wrote:
And what the kiss are they doing with Conscious? |
Bred totally along sprinting lines on the dam side, so suspect they might have the 1000 gns as a likely target. |
And she will be butchered by the time she gets there. |
Only one more run before the 1000 gns. Why would she be butchered?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 2:09pm
subastral wrote:
Think he can win Black Type today in Adelaide with Smart as you Think |
Yes I think you are correct although it is a tough race - a lot of unexposed horses so certainly an exciting race to watch.
I doo like the way they have campaigned her so far.
The rest all seem to be being asked too much over too short.
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