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Topic: Japanese Racing
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Japanese Racing
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 2:06am
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 2:07am
THE OKA SHO (JAPANESE 1000 GUINEAS)(G1)
April 8, 2012, 1600m, Turf |
INT F&M DSN, Special Weight, 3-Year-Olds, Open Class, Value of race: 207,900,000 Yen |
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1st |
2nd |
3rd |
4th |
5th |
total |
Added Money (Yen) |
89,000,000 |
36,000,000 |
22,000,000 |
13,000,000 |
8,900,000 |
168,900,000 |
Stakes Money (Yen) |
27,300,000 |
7,800,000 |
3,900,000 |
0 |
0 |
39,000,000 |
Total (Yen) |
116,300,000 |
43,800,000 |
25,900,000 |
13,000,000 |
8,900,000 |
207,900,000 |
Bk |
Hs |
Horse |
Sex Age |
Weight (Kg) |
Sire Dam |
Dam's sire Dam's dam |
Jockey Trainer |
Owner Breeder |
1 |
1 |
Dame du Lac(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Symboli Kris S Fairy Tail Time |
Fairy King Minnie Hauk |
Futoshi Komaki Masazo Ryoke |
Genichiro Sakakibara Shimoyashiki Bokujo |
1 |
2 |
Epice Arome(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Daiwa Major Ratafia |
Cozzene Sakura Fabulous |
Suguru Hamanaka Sei Ishizaka |
Katsumi Yoshida Northern Farm |
2 |
3 |
Omega Heartland(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Agnes Tachyon Omega Island |
El Condor Pasa Irish Dance |
Syu Ishibashi Noriyuki Hori |
Reiko Hara Shadai Farm |
2 |
4 |
Sunshine(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Heart's Cry Baldwina |
Pistolet Bleu Balioka |
Mirco Demuro Kenichi Fujioka |
Yoichi Aoyama Shadai Farm |
3 |
5 |
Para la Salud(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Deep Impact Tanta Suerte |
Stuka Trapial |
Hiroshi Kitamura Sakae Kunieda |
G1 Racing Co. Ltd. Shadai Corporation Inc. |
3 |
6 |
Eishin Kincsem(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Fuji Kiseki Archaique Lady |
Mr. Greeley No More Ironing |
Yuga Kawada Tomokazu Takano |
Toyomitsu Hirai Umeda Bokujo |
4 |
7 |
Meisho Suzanna(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Agnes Digital Green Olive |
Sunday Silence Meishosky |
Yutaka Take Yogelatiada Takahashi |
Yogelatiaka Matsumoto Hokusei Murata Bokujo |
4 |
8 |
Meine Epona(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
King Kamehameha Lady Bellona |
Sunday Silence Shinko Lovely |
Hayato Yoshida Makoto Saito |
K.Thoroughbred Club Ruffian Shinkoh Farm |
5 |
9 |
Ichiokuno Hoshi(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Zenno Rob Roy Lady Ying |
Kendor Super Vite |
Hironobu Tanabe Eiichi Yano |
Keiko Kobayashi Shadai Farm |
5 |
10 |
Gentildonna(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Deep Impact Donna Blini |
Bertolini Cal Norma's Lady |
Yasunari Iwata Sei Ishizaka |
Sunday Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing |
6 |
11 |
I'm Yours(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Falbrav Cecile Blues |
El Condor Pasa Cecil Cut |
Nicola Pinna Takahisa Tezuka |
Your Story Northern Farm |
6 |
12 |
Prenotato(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Jungle Pocket Sexy Coconuts |
Dance in the Dark Coco Passion |
Katsumi Ando Mitsunori Makiura |
Silk Co.Ltd Matsuda Bokujo |
7 |
13 |
Sound of Heart(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Agnes Tachyon Shimmei Minerva |
Caerleon Hujjab |
Masami Matsuoka Yasuhisa Matsuyama |
Turf Sport Taihei Stud Farm Co. Ltd |
7 |
14 |
Tosen Benizakura(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Daiwa Major Tosen Brilliant |
White Muzzle Pulsate |
Akihide Tsumura Isamu Shibasaki |
Takaya Shimakawa Takaya Shimakawa |
7 |
15 |
Verxina(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Deep Impact Halwa Sweet |
Machiavellian Halwa Song |
Hiroyuki Uchida Yasuo Tomomichi |
Kazuhiro Sasaki Northern Racing |
8 |
16 |
Fine Choice(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Admire Moon Affrettata |
Taiki Shuttle China Breeze |
Kenichi Ikezoe Masazo Ryoke |
Junzo Miyakawa Tomita Bokujo |
8 |
17 |
Joie de Vivre(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Deep Impact Biwa Heidi |
Caerleon Aghsan |
Yuichi Fukunaga Hiroyoshi Matsuda |
Sunday Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing |
8 |
18 |
Arafune(JPN) |
F3 |
55.0 |
Kurofune Silence Mambo |
Sunday Silence Asaka Mambo |
Genki Maruyama Yutaka Takahashi |
U.Araki Farm Araki Farm |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 2:08am
http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120408.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120408.pdf
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 2:13am
2000m 2000 Guineas. http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120415.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120415.pdf
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Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 8:10pm
What did people think of the winner Gold Ship?
Was last for 1400m of it, seemed to make up 10 lengths up the inside on the turn then just did what he liked. World Ace raced exceptionally well to run on for 2nd after covering many more lengths than the winner, with World Ace's jockey took the long root & Gold Ship's the short one after they were last & 2nd last with 800m to go.
Gold Ship also bred on the same Stay Gold/Mejiro McQueen cross as Orfevre, should be a great Tokyo Yushun.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 8:12pm
Strange race, The majority of the field fanned very wide. Not sure what to make of it.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 9:51am
I don't know anything about Japanese racing, was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the form for this one is like? First up in Aus tomorrow for Weir at Geelong over 1400
| TAP THAT (JPN)4yo Grey Horse D.O.B: 11-Apr-2012 by TAPIT (USA) from ART PRINCESS (USA) http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/PedigreeSearch.aspx?horseName=Tap+That&sireName=Tapit&damName=Art+Princess" rel="nofollow - 5x Pedigree Report
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Status | Active |
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Owner’s Details (updated nightly) | Waratah Thoroughbreds |
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Stewards Embargoes | None on record |
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Emergency Vaccination Record | http://www.studbook.org.au/horse.aspx?hid=1115529&pagetype=VCCN" rel="nofollow - (Click here for more details) |
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Last Gear Change* | None on record. |
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Trainer | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MTIyMjcwNjA%3d&trainername=Mr+Darren+Weir" rel="nofollow - Mr Darren Weir (Wangoom) |
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Racing Colours | White, Red Waratah, Diagonal Halved Sleeves, White Cap, Red Waratah |
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Career | Summary: 7-2:1:0 Prizemoney: $386,410 Min/Max-Dist-Win: 1600/1700 1st Up: 5:1-1-0 2nd Up: 2:1-0-0 Track: 0:0-0-0 Dist: 1:0-0-0 Track/Dist: 0:0-0-0 Firm: 1:0-0-0 Good: 5:2-1-0 Soft: 0:0-0-0 Heavy: 0:0-0-0 Synthetic: 0:0-0-0 |
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Note: NSW & WA Gear Changes may be incomplete http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Recent Form http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseAllForm.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - All Form http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Embargoes.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Embargoes http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_GearChanges.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Gear Changes http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Ratings_Flats.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Ratings http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseEngagement.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Noms | Wgts | Accs |
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1st of 9 | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY4NTgzMA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - SAPO 31Aug14 1700m Good 2Y MDN-SW $142,979 ($74,691) http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MjA4NDU0NjE3MTA%3d" rel="nofollow - Yasutoshi Ikee 54kg Barrier 3 2nd http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIyNzY4MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3MzkzMzcyMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Okhotsk (USA) 54kg 1:48.00, 2.5L $2.50 | 1st of 14 | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTcxMjA5MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - TOKD 18Oct14 1600m Good 2Y-ALW $203,799 ($107,704) http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga 55kg Barrier 14 2nd http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIyODY5MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3OTM2MzQ4MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Devastation (JPN) 55kg 1:39.50, 0.5L $2.10 | 2nd of 14 | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY4Nzg1MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - KAWA 17Dec14 1609m Good NISAI YUSHUN Listed $634,870 ($130,708) http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga 55kg Barrier 9 1st http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIyOTcwMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk0NTg0MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Dear Domus (JPN) 55kg, 3rd http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMDcxMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk0NTg0MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Taisei Lavish (JPN) 55kg 1:45.30, 0.5L $2.50 | 6th of 16 | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTcxNDExMA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - TOKD 22Feb15 1400m Fast HYACINTH STKS Listed $354,858 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga 57kg Barrier 9 1st http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMTcyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3OTM5MDc1MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Golden Barows (USA) 56kg 1:37.10, 7.5L $9.50 | 5th of 10 | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY4OTg3MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - MEYD 28Mar15 1900m Good UAE DERBY Group 2 $2,443,556 ($73,307) http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=ODA3MDU5Njkw" rel="nofollow - Joao Moreira 55kg Barrier 6 1st http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3MzM3MjQxMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk1MzkyMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Mubtaahij (IRE) 55kg 1:58.35, 10.8L $26 | 14th of 14 | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTcxNTEyMA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - TOKD 21Jun15 1600m Good UNICORN STKS Group 3 $672,423 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga 56kg Barrier 14 1st http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMjczMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3OTQwMjg3MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Nonkono Yume (JPN) 56kg 1:35.90, 11.8L $28 | 14th of 14 | http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY5MTg5MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - HSN. 13Sep15 1800m Firm OPN-ALW $358,026 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MjA4MjU3NzE3NjA%3d" rel="nofollow - Keita Tosaki 54kg Barrier 1 1st http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMzc0MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk1ODk3MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Remain Silent (JPN) 55kg 1:46.20, 12.5L $37 |
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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 8:47pm
No idea about the answer to your Q Shawy, but this particular horse was in the early noms for The Championships, particulary Sydney Cup and the QE
Weir must have a big opinion of him because he doesn't nominate them for big races for no reason.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2016 at 11:20am
All its form is on dirt.
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Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 8:55pm
Joao rode 6 winners at Sapporo yesterday
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Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 12:18am
Looking through the form of a former Japanese horse racing in Australia, and i noticed there was a race where the track conditions is called 'Wet Fast', and the next run was on a 'soft' track so it's definitely different from that, and on Racing Australia the type doesn't fall into any category, including 'synthetic', even though the actual race which was labelled 'Wet Fast' was on the 'Tokyo Dirt' course.
What exactly is 'Wet Fast'?
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 10:24am
Beliskner wrote:
Looking through the form of a former Japanese horse racing in Australia, and i noticed there was a race where the track conditions is called 'Wet Fast', and the next run was on a 'soft' track so it's definitely different from that, and on Racing Australia the type doesn't fall into any category, including 'synthetic', even though the actual race which was labelled 'Wet Fast' was on the 'Tokyo Dirt' course.
What exactly is 'Wet Fast'?
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We have this in the US as a track condition.
The definition from Equibase is as follows:
Dirt Conditions:
FT - Fast - Completely dry and at optimal efficiency.
WF - Wet Fast - Occurs immediately after a heavy rain; track has
surface water on it, but the base is still solid, accounting for times
similar to (or even faster than) a fast track.
SY - Sloppy - As the track continues to accumulate moisture, the
base is still solid but water is beginning to seep into the base;
https://www.equibase.com/newfan/page4-1.cfm" rel="nofollow - https://www.equibase.com/newfan/page4-1.cfm
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 3:24pm
How Japan has emerged as a giant of horse breedingBetting profitsThere's another secret to Japan's horse racing success, though, and that lies with the fans. The
public are only allowed to bet on a few sports and horse racing is one
of them; 2016 was the first time punters could put money on foreign
races.
The betting industry, meanwhile, has also boomed, and it was estimated that Japan wagered $22.5 billion in 2015.
"Deep Impact is more famous than any other stallion at the moment I think."
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/15/sport/japan-horse-breeding-betting-winning-post/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/15/sport/japan-horse-breeding-betting-winning-post/index.html
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 2:13pm
The first 2yo race of the season in Japan, it was run over 1600m
Daiwa Major (JPN) Chestnut 2001 | Sunday Silence Brown 1986 | Halo Bay or brown 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Cosmah Bay 1953 | Cosmic Bomb Almahmoud | 1944 1947 | 14-f 2-d | Wishing Well Bay 1975 | Understanding Chestnut 1963 | Promised Land Pretty Ways | 1954 1953 | 14-b 1-g | Mountain Flower Bay 1964 | Montparnasse Edelweiss | 1956 1959 | 19> 3-e | Scarlet Bouquet Chestnut 1988 | Northern Taste Chestnut 1971 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Lady Victoria Bay 1962 | Victoria Park Lady Angela | 1957 1944 | 10-c 14-c | Scarlet Ink Chestnut 1971 | Crimson Satan Chestnut 1959 | Spy Song Papila | 1943 1943 | 2-o 26> | Consentida Bay 1962 | Beau Max La Menina | 1947 1958 | 20> 4-d | Mystique (GER) Bay 2009 | Monsun Bay or brown 1990 | Konigsstuhl Brown 1976 | Dschingis Khan Brown 1961 | Tamerlane Donna Diana | 1952 1956 | 1-e 6-e | Konigskronung Brown 1965 | Tiepoletto Kronung | 1956 1957 | 2-c 5-h | Mosella Bay 1985 | Surumu Chestnut 1974 | Literat Surama | 1965 1970 | 7-b 19> | Monasia Bay 1979 | Authi Monacensia | 1970 1969 | 14-b 8-a | Montfleur Bay 2002 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Mackie Bay or brown 1993 | Summer Squall Bay 1987 | Storm Bird Weekend Surprise | 1978 1980 | 4-j 3-l | Glowing Tribute Bay 1973 | Graustark Admiring | 1963 1962 | 4-d 1-s |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 4m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 6:45pm
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 6:50pm
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 6:55pm
Japanese Star or Pakistan Star ?
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 7:44pm
Nanako Fujita
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 7:45pm
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 7:47pm
Stunning girl ! The poor pony looks like he is going out to a P.C. fancy dress day
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 7:52pm
Dont know who the horse is, a friend sent it to me laughing about the ear muffs.
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Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 9:29pm
Any forumites ever attended a Japanese racing meeting? Going on holiday there mid Sep and looking to head to Hanshin for their G2 St Leger. If anyone has I'll be interested in their feedback and and advices on attending/punt etc. Thanks in advance
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 9:09am
Saturnalia, I'd love to know the price of this one today, should just win
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 8:04pm
Super smart horse Saturnalia
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 12:10pm
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 12:20pm
They never seem to wear knee boots anymore , even "our girl" never wore them , always surprised me, we would never be allowed to do that with our champs, and we had a few .
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 2:35pm
djebel wrote:
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What a good looker
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 2:42pm
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 4:42pm
Who is the animal with the leggings on djebel, Saturnalia?
It reminds me of Lonhro's three-times stakes-winning brother Niello: all up front but lacking behind.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 5:00pm
Both pictures are Saturnalia.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 5:10pm
Thanks.
Who was it said pictures don't lie?
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 8:42pm
Hello, Saturnalia is from the same damline ss "Overshare" common ancestor is "Kirov Premiere". The Sire Lord Kanaloa traces to "Somethingroyal", dam of the HB's Secretariat/Sir Gaylord. regards, Ticino
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 May 2019 at 5:19pm
Failed to stay.
SATURNALIA (JPN) | Bay or brown colt 2016 | |
Lord Kanaloa Bay 2008 | King Kamehameha Bay 2001 | Kingmambo Bay 1990 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Miesque Bay 1984 | Nureyev Pasadoble | 1977 1979 | 5-h 20> | Manfath Brown 1991 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Mill Princess | 1975 1977 | 8-f 8-c | Pilot Bird Bay 1983 | Blakeney The Dancer | 1966 1977 | 20-c 22-d | Lady Blossom Bay 1996 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | Terlingua Chestnut 1976 | Secretariat Crimson Saint | 1970 1969 | 2-s 8-c | Saratoga Dew Bay 1989 | Cormorant Bay 1974 | His Majesty Song Sparrow | 1968 1967 | 4-d 5-j | Super Luna Bay 1982 | In Reality Alada | 1964 1976 | 21-a 2-s | Cesario Bay or brown 2002 | Special Week Bay or brown 1995 | Sunday Silence Brown 1986 | Halo Bay or brown 1969 | Hail to Reason Cosmah | 1958 1953 | 4-n 2-d | Wishing Well Bay 1975 | Understanding Mountain Flower | 1963 1964 | 1-g 3-e | Campaign Girl Bay 1987 | Maruzensky Bay 1974 | Nijinsky Shill | 1967 1970 | 8-f 5-g | Lady Shiraoki Bay 1978 | Saint Crespin Miss Ashiyagawa | 1956 1964 | 22-a 3-l | Kirov Premiere Bay 1990 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Querida Bay or brown 1975 | Habitat Bay 1966 | Sir Gaylord Little Hut | 1959 1952 | 2-s 4-r | Principia Brown 1970 | Le Fabuleux Pia | 1961 1964 | 13-c 16-a |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 4m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 May 2019 at 5:25pm
Stayed completely. Looking at his form HOW did he start such long odds ?
ROGER BAROWS (JPN) | Bay colt 2016 | |
Deep Impact Bay 2002 | Sunday Silence Brown 1986 | Halo Bay or brown 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Cosmah Bay 1953 | Cosmic Bomb Almahmoud | 1944 1947 | 14-f 2-d | Wishing Well Bay 1975 | Understanding Chestnut 1963 | Promised Land Pretty Ways | 1954 1953 | 14-b 1-g | Mountain Flower Bay 1964 | Montparnasse Edelweiss | 1956 1959 | 19> 3-e | Wind in Her Hair Bay 1991 | Alzao Bay 1980 | Lyphard Bay 1969 | Northern Dancer Goofed | 1961 1960 | 2-d 17-b | Lady Rebecca Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Pocahontas | 1965 1955 | 8-g 9-h | Burghclere Bay 1977 | Busted Bay 1963 | Crepello Sans le Sou | 1954 1957 | 16-d 2-s | Highclere Bay 1971 | Queen's Hussar Highlight | 1960 1958 | 19-c 2-f | Little Book Bay 2008 | Librettist Bay 2002 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Pas de Nom Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage Petitioner | 1959 1952 | 4-n 7-a | Mysterial Bay or brown 1994 | Alleged Bay 1974 | Hoist the Flag Princess Pout | 1968 1966 | 5-i 2-s | Mysteries Chestnut 1986 | Seattle Slew Phydilla | 1974 1978 | 13-c 6-b | Cal Norma's Lady Chestnut 1988 | Lyphard's Special Bay 1980 | Lyphard Bay 1969 | Northern Dancer Goofed | 1961 1960 | 2-d 17-b | My Bupers Bay or brown 1967 | Bupers Princess Revoked | 1961 1959 | 1-s 6-a | June Darling Bay 1983 | Junius Bay 1976 | Raja Baba Solid Thought | 1968 1957 | 3-l 3-n | Beau Darling Chestnut 1966 | Darling Boy Fair Astronomer | 1958 1960 | 1-n 16-f |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 4m,5m | | Lyphard | 4m x 4m |
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 30 May 2019 at 9:51pm
Hello, Velox (by Just a Way) the 3rd placed runner in the "Japanese Derby" has a German breeding background. His dam Selkis (by Monsun) is from the "Schwarzgold Family" via a lesser strain. When you check 'Just a Way' ped you will see, he has some Aussie Connections. best regards, Ticino
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2019 at 7:34pm
READ
http://newspaper.racingpost.com/html5/reader/get_clipping.aspx?edid=4f6f30bb-ba11-441a-b6aa-a3960fe6d794&pnum=6&time=20191204101933366" rel="nofollow - http://newspaper.racingpost.com/html5/reader/get_clipping.aspx?edid=4f6f30bb-ba11-441a-b6aa-a3960fe6d794&pnum=6&time=20191204101933366
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 8:39am
I'm looking forward to the G1 Arima Kinen (2500m) today. The race features the Japan Cup winner Suave Richard, Cox Plate winner Lys Gracieux and Almond Eye.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 8:59am
The race feature the last 3 Japan Cup winners.
Great race.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 9:39am
I think Lys Gracieux can beat Almond today.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 1:34pm
kavg wrote:
I think Lys Gracieux can beat Almond today. |
Distance (2500m) shouldn't be a problem. Lys Gracieux ran 2nd in the Hong Kong Vase at 2400m in December 2018.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 1:42pm
Will be interesting how the Cox Plate form holds up in Japan. The Mackinnon (won by Magic Wand) and Cox Plate (Magic Wand ran 4th) held up in Hong Kong when Magic Wand ran 2nd in the Hong Kong Cup.
It will be interesting if the Cox Plate form (winner - Lys Gracieux) can hold up in Japan.
It should be a good race.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 3:30pm
Where are you now Jamal. Weak era for Japanese racing?
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 3:41pm
kavg wrote:
Where are you now Jamal.Weak era for Japanese racing? |
Where on this forum have I said that Japense racing is in a weak era? I am interested to know so please point the dialogue out to me.
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Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 3:53pm
Lane gave her the perfect ride. Saturnalia and Almond Eye were 3 deep the trip, LG was sitting nicely on the fence saving herself for her trademark finish. Great ride, great mare, well done.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 4:02pm
Agree saintly , certainly franked the form of her 2 wins here, just wondering if Almond Eye may have a blood problem, having pulled up a bit wobbly in Dubai after a run.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 4:09pm
Cox Plate win , mixed her with other CC winner.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 4:23pm
Jamal wrote:
kavg wrote:
Where are you now Jamal.Weak era for Japanese racing? |
Where on this forum have I said that Japense racing is in a weak era? I am interested to know so please point the dialogue out to me. |
It's basically by extension.
Castlevecchio is a champion.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 4:34pm
Cox plate form was franked, was it not?
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 4:48pm
A champion? How?
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 4:53pm
So right djebel. We can only hope he takes natural improvement of summer and the QE is over unless Lys G comes back. And also hope trainer and owners keep their heads on and stay cool.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 4:54pm
Jamal. What level do you rate Australian racing at the 2000 to 2400 m range?
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 5:20pm
kavg wrote:
Jamal. What level do you rate Australian racing at the 2000 to 2400 m range? |
Pretty shallow. I still stand by this comment. Great that the Cox Plate and MacKinnon has held up in Japan and Hong Kong but the fact remains that 2jd and 3rd tier horses from overseas can still come to Australia and win G1s. Even at 3200m.as well.
This year.was good...nowni has to happen more consistently.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 5:22pm
kavg wrote:
So right djebel. We can only hope he takes natural improvement of summer and the QE is over unless Lys G comes back. And also hope trainer and owners keep their heads on and stay cool. |
Kav - Australian Cup into the QE Stakes...Would be ideal races for him.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 5:37pm
Rw Guineas/Rh Guineas into QE would be better IMO. Although AJC Derby may come into calculations.
But you need to be fair in your assessment of Australian racing. It is clear now that Magic Wand and Lys G are world class and are NOT 2nd or 3rd tier. We had plenty of horses who finished close to and around both of them. Two of the ones that finished within 1.3 len of Magic Wand in Mckinnon-Hartnell and Life Less ordinary who are both in the veteran age group. They were repeatedly handed trouncings by Winx when they were more youthful and closer to their prime.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:21pm
What Magic Wand has done in the last 12 months is phenomenal.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:44pm
Short and sweet, you have summed her up djebel, the way she walked around the yard in honkers with her ears pricked and not a hair out of place , she looked the perfect racehorse, very unlucky not to win the event too, Lys. G. according to reports was her last run today fwiw.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 10:41pm
kavg wrote:
Rw Guineas/Rh Guineas into QE would be better IMO. Although AJC Derby may come into calculations.
But you need to be fair in your assessment of Australian racing. It is clear now that Magic Wand and Lys G are world class and are NOT 2nd or 3rd tier. We had plenty of horses who finished close to and around both of them. Two of the ones that finished within 1.3 len of Magic Wand in Mckinnon-Hartnell and Life Less ordinary who are both in the veteran age group. They were repeatedly handed trouncings by Winx when they were more youthful and closer to their prime. |
I never said Lys G and Magic Wand were not world class
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 10:46pm
And it happens time and time again when it comes to 2000m to 3200m racing in Australia...2nd and third tier horses from outside Australia do win G1s in Australia, this is why I am critical of Aussie racing at those distances in the past 5 o 6 years and people on this forum can knock me but I'll keep standing by this theory, however - Kav - you mentioned Lys G and Magic Wand...they are world class for sure...I agree.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:50am
Jamal you are undermining yourself. The one's coming are world class the one's just beaten are 2nd rate? Sure we have lost our supreme thoroughbred in Winx going to stud. So there is always a changing of the guard and patience is a virture. But despite everything (AUS) stood up for itself over the spring and hopefully will go a place better in the Autumn. We have to wait and see.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 2:23pm
furious wrote:
Jamal you are undermining yourself. The one's coming are world class the one's just beaten are 2nd rate? Sure we have lost our supreme thoroughbred in Winx going to stud. So there is always a changing of the guard and patience is a virture. But despite everything (AUS) stood up for itself over the spring and hopefully will go a place better in the Autumn. We have to wait and see.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;"> |
Australia stood up for itself over the spring? No it did not - internationally trained horses won 2 of the majors, plus the Caulfield Stakes and average Euros won the Moonee Valley Cup and the Hotham Handicap. Sorry I can not agree with your comment that Australia stood up for itself over the spring carnival.
Yes I agree..Lys G is world class but you know as well as I do that 2nd/3rd tier horses from overseas come to Australia and win G1s. Some even stay here and race on. Manighar, Glass Harmonium and Harlem (list goes on) to name a few. They wouldn't be winning G1 races in Australia during the period of the late 80s to 90s through to roughly 2010. Seriously....as I have said before...When it comes to 2000m to 3200m racing...we are in a weak era of Aussie racing...no depth at all. It used to he good but now it's not. There was qualoty in numbers....not so much now and has been for 5 or 6 years. Take Winx out (even during her reign) and it's pretty thin. Australia is obssessed with speed
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 2:47pm
Every nation is obsessed with speed. It is the number one function of the racing horse - SPEED.
Where Australia kisss up and YOU and your crony refuse to take note is the development of middle distant and stamina horses.
Watch 95% of the imported stayers will revert to Australian standard once our trainers have started influencing their performance.
You can almost guarantee if Almond Eye was with Waller she'd be too fast to be tried over 2400m, The same can be said for Lys Gracieux.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:06pm
Strange you should say that about Almond Eye djebel, jockey advised a switch back to 2000 Lemaire) as she failed to comeback under him and 2500 was asking too much? he also stated she didn't handle tight corners ( go figure) , the time LysG ran 2-30 -00 with a nice pacemaker ( who punctured on the corner, Job done!) was 1 sec. outside race record, averaging 12 secs for 200 mts. very close to what we average here although the mare may have equalled it if ridden out, don't bring Waller into it imo most of his imports are very average, I did say most lol,
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:16pm
Lemaire himself might have been at fault with the ride there. He was posted 3 wide and tried to move forward and this probably fired her up, although I thought she settled quite nicely when you could get a good look at them.
If they were looking for excuses for her, and there were a few, She travelled deep and moved into the race like a good thing but when the pressure went on there was nothing there. My thoughts were the virus that ruled her out of Hong Kong probably left her under the weather for that last up hill 400 or so metres after the wide trip.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:23pm
Watch the way it all opens up for Lane as they come around the bend into the straight.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:34pm
So do you think the ride by Lane was perhaps not as good?
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:35pm
djebel wrote:
Every nation is obsessed with speed. It is the number one function of the racing horse - SPEED.
Where Australia kisss up and YOU and your crony refuse to take note is the development of middle distant and stamina horses.
Watch 95% of the imported stayers will revert to Australian standard once our trainers have started influencing their performance.Â
You can almost guarantee if Almond Eye was with Waller she'd be too fast to be tried over 2400m, The same can be said for Lys Gracieux.
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Another foolish comment. I am well aware about our trainers and their lack of developing middle distance/staying horses.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:37pm
djebel wrote:
Lemaire himself might have been at fault with the ride there. He was posted 3 wide and tried to move forward and this probably fired her up, although I thought she settled quite nicely when you could get a good look at them.
If they were looking for excuses for her, and there were a few, She travelled deep and moved into the race like a good thing but when the pressure went on there was nothing there. My thoughts were the virus that ruled her out of Hong Kong probably left her under the weather for that last up hill 400 or so metres after the wide trip.
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Spot on here......the ride wasn't the best. 3 wide for most of the trip didn't help.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:40pm
Carioca wrote:
Strange you should say that about Almond Eye djebel, jockey advised a switch back to 2000 Lemaire) as she failed to comeback under him and 2500 was asking too much? he also stated she didn't handle tight corners ( go figure) , the time LysG ran 2-30 -00 with a nice pacemaker ( who punctured on the corner, Job done!) was 1 sec. outside race record, averaging 12 secs for 200 mts. very close to what we average here although the mare may have equalled it if ridden out, don't bring Waller into it imo most of his imports are very average, I did say most lol, |
So 2500m was too far yet she won at 2400m last year in the Japan Cup. Maybe being 3 wide didn't help?
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:40pm
I don't call that opening up Djebel. He managed to get down a lane between the first 1/2 and second 1/2 of the field but had to go right to the outside to run for the winning post.
She didn't even show sweat between her hind legs so a superior run all around. Just in a purple patch that's for sure.
Jamel you didn't read my post well. I said we have lost our superior mare in Winx and are now in a period which has to find a next class runners. She saw most of her crew off to stud before she retired. Now a three year old ran a very good second (much closer than anything yesterday got to her) and even Te Akau Shark did better than those runners!
They ran well and can improve they didn't just get walked over. That's what I'm saying.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:45pm
And like Djebel said. Speed is very important. The rest of the world can win 2400m Derby's and Oaks with horses out of our speed horses who can barely win over 1200m let alone 1400m.
Maybe it's because we train on our race tracks. I don't know.
Back at the end of the 1800's we were sending superior stayers out to England which help with their breeding or stayers. Now we send sprinters. Then they send decendents back for our Melbourne Cup - go figure.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:45pm
furious wrote:
I don't call that opening up Djebel. He managed to get down a lane between the first 1/2 and second 1/2 of the field but had to go right to the outside to run for the winning post.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">
She didn't even show sweat between her hind legs so a superior run all around. Just in a purple patch that's for sure.
Jamel you didn't read my post well. I said we have lost our superior mare in Winx and are now in a period which has to find a next class runners. She saw most of her crew off to stud before she retired. Now a three year old ran a very good second (much closer than anything yesterday got to her) and even Te Akau Shark did better than those runners!
They ran well and can improve they didn't just get walked over. That's what I'm saying. |
And I'm saying there has been a lack of depth in 2000m to 3200m racing for the past 5 or 6 years - even before the champion Winx was on the scene.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 3:49pm
Jamal wrote:
djebel wrote:
Every nation is obsessed with speed. It is the number one function of the racing horse - SPEED.
Where Australia kisss up and YOU and your crony refuse to take note is the development of middle distant and stamina horses.
Watch 95% of the imported stayers will revert to Australian standard once our trainers have started influencing their performance.
You can almost guarantee if Almond Eye was with Waller she'd be too fast to be tried over 2400m, The same can be said for Lys Gracieux.
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Another foolish comment. I am well aware about our trainers and their lack of developing middle distance/staying horses. |
You say it is a foolish comment yet I doubt you even know what I meant.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:04pm
You are a fool for even assuming that.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:11pm
I am a fool for engaging with you and that clown.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:13pm
No not at all. You just get worked up when people have a different point of view. I'd hate to see you in parliament as a politician...you'd get worked up over any issue
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:13pm
djebel wrote:
I am a fool for engaging with you and that clown. |
But no - you are not a fool.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:18pm
djebel wrote:
kiss right off.
People always have different point of view to me.
It is just you and your tag team mate who piss me right off.
YOU and HIM are absolute dills.
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Again if you annoyed at people's different point of view then that is your problem....not my problem...not anyone else's problem...But YOUR problem. Understand? Why grt worked up over peoples different opinion(s). Historically you and I have got along well - let's keep it that way shall we...and again.. do not get worked up. Just calm down.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:25pm
Jamal wrote:
Carioca wrote:
Strange you should say that about Almond Eye djebel, jockey advised a switch back to 2000 Lemaire) as she failed to comeback under him and 2500 was asking too much? he also stated she didn't handle tight corners ( go figure) , the time LysG ran 2-30 -00 with a nice pacemaker ( who punctured on the corner, Job done!) was 1 sec. outside race record, averaging 12 secs for 200 mts. very close to what we average here although the mare may have equalled it if ridden out, don't bring Waller into it imo most of his imports are very average, I did say most lol, |
So 2500m was too far yet she won at 2400m last year in the Japan Cup. Maybe being 3 wide didn't help? | Have a chat with Lemaire he might enlighten more than me , I'm just quoting fwiw.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:31pm
Have a chat with Lemaire he might enlighten more than me , I'm just quoting fwiw.[/QUOTE]
Yeah all good I'm not doubting you mate
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:39pm
Jamal,you have beeon a mission to diminish Winx for years and even when facts refute your claims you harp on. Maybe you are upset she is better than Rogan Josh or anything that has come out of WA.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:44pm
I have said plenty of times that Winx is a champion.
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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 7:45pm
I see Lys Gracieux just won the Japanese Grp 1 by 5 lengths smashing Almond Eye in the process. It doesn't make the 2019 Cox plate form look too bad even in a weak year. Just goes to show how good Winx was as she would have beaten Castlevechio by panels.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 7:57pm
Well said rancher.
Pretty sure that the win by Lys G will be and should be rated highest of the year.
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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 7:58pm
Also given LG just won the biggest race in Japan by 5 lengths beating Almond Eye she should be rated the best horse in the world IMO. Screw those Euros that can't do much on the world stage on good flat tracks but keep on getting stupidly high ratings
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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 8:07pm
kavg you beat me to it. Totally agree. She absolutely smashed them in Japan's biggest Grp 1.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 9:03pm
Red Rancher wrote:
Also given LG just won the biggest race in Japan by 5 lengths beating Almond Eye she should be rated the best horse in the world IMO. Screw those Euros that can't do much on the world stage on good flat tracks but keep on getting stupidly high ratings |
Red Rancher- How many Euros have won G1s on flat tracks in Australia? I think you'll find plenty have.
"Screw those Euros that can't do much on the world stage on good flat tracks" that comment is plain wrong.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 11:44am
The fact is that if Enable or Crystal ocean or magical had done exactly what Lys G did on Sunday it would be the highest rated performance of the year. I await to see what all the international ratings agencies do.Whether they rate accordingly or continue to be a biased laughing stock. And I am not for one second denigrating the magnificent Enable has done or her friends from Europe.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 12:48pm
kavg wrote:
The fact is that if Enable or Crystal ocean or magical had done exactly what Lys G did on Sunday it would be the highest rated performance of the year. I await to see what all the international ratings agencies do.Whether they rate accordingly or continue to be a biased laughing stock. And I am not for one second denigrating the magnificent Enable has done or her friends from Europe. |
I personallynthink Timeform should give the performance around the mark of 127 to 129.
In regards to the OR (Official Rating) in which Longines do the ratings and these ratings decide "best horses in the world etc" usually they are a few pounds lower then Timeform due to different methods I think. So I am guessing 125 to 126 at least.
It was a great win. Won easily.
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Posted By: Formerly Kincsem
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 8:02pm
She beat the best horses from the strongest racing jurisdiction on the planet by 5L. If she gets 127 (whobegotyou) to 129 (Ocean Park), then the UK ruse roles on. Must be circa 131+ to be taken seriously.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 9:01pm
Agree FK. Simple mathematics.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 10:01pm
The Japanese handicapper gave 129. They are the ones that downgrade them.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 8:59am
The colonies and the 'foreigners' pander and toe the line to appease the masters.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 9:38am
Not really. Our horses are well and truly overly and wrongly rated. Greg Carpenter punches above his weight at these shindigs.
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:30pm
G1 WS Cox Plate winner Lys Gracieux has been named Japan's 2019 Horse of the Year in a landslide, garnering 271 of the 274 votes from Japanese racing journalists!
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 6:34pm
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/cox-plate-winner-lys-gracieux-two-points-off-the-top-of-the-world-20200123" rel="nofollow - https://www.racenet.com.au/news/cox-plate-winner-lys-gracieux-two-points-off-the-top-of-the-world-20200123
Here is confirmation of the joke that is the international ratings. Lys Gracieux for devastatingly winning the arima kinen rates the same as Baataash for winning the nunthorpe.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 11:19am
TOKYO 11R | THE TOKYO YUSHUN (JAPANESE DERBY)(G1) |
May 31, 2020, 2400m, Turf, Post time 15:40 | INT C&F DSN, Special Weight, 3-Year-Olds, Open Class, Value of race: 418,140,000 Yen |
| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | total | Added Money (Yen) | 200,000,000 | 80,000,000 | 50,000,000 | 30,000,000 | 20,000,000 | 380,000,000 | Stakes Money (Yen) | 26,698,000 | 7,628,000 | 3,814,000 | 0 | 0 | 38,140,000 | Total (Yen) | 226,698,000 | 87,628,000 | 53,814,000 | 30,000,000 | 20,000,000 | 418,140,000 |
| Bk | Hs | Horse | Sex Age | Weight (Kg) | Sire Dam | Dam's sire Dam's dam | Jockey Trainer | Owner Breeder | Win Fav | Win Odds | 1 | 1 | Satono Impresa(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Deep Impact Sahpresa | Sahm Sorpresa | Ryusei Sakai Yogelatio Yahagi | Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd. Shadai Farm |
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| 1 | 2 | Al Jannah(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Deep Impact Condo Commando | Tiz Wonderful Yearly Report | Suguru Hamanaka Yasutoshi Ikee | Katsumi Yoshida Northern Farm |
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| 2 | 3 | Wakea(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Heart's Cry Cherry Collect | Oratorio Holy Moon | Christophe Lemaire Takahisa Tezuka | Yukihiro Ochiai Northern Racing |
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| 2 | 4 | L'Excellence(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Deep Impact Xcellence | Champs Elysees Xanadu Bliss | Shu Ishibashi Manabu Ikezoe | Silk Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing |
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| 3 | 5 | Contrail(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Deep Impact Rhodochrosite | Unbridled's Song Folklore | Yuichi Fukunaga Yogelatio Yahagi | Shinji Maeda North Hills Co . Ltd. |
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| 3 | 6 | Weltreisende(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Dream Journey Mandela | Acatenango Mandellicht | Kenichi Ikezoe Yasutoshi Ikee | Sunday Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing |
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| 4 | 7 | Black Hole(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Gold Ship Viva Bouquet | King Kamehameha Blue Ridge River | Yukito Ishikawa Ikuo Aizawa | Seichi Serizawa Seiichi Serizawa |
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| 4 | 8 | Bitterender(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Orfevre Bitter Sweet | Afleet Alex Moonlight Gardens | Akihide Tsumura Ikuo Aizawa | K.Hidaka Breeders Union Sakurai Bokujo |
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| 5 | 9 | Darlington Hall(GB) | C3 | 57.0 | New Approach Miss Kenton | Pivotal Do The Honours | Mirco Demuro Tetsuya Kimura | Godolphin Canning Bloodstock Ltd |
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| 5 | 10 | Cortesia(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Symboli Kris S Ciel et Mer | Jungle Pocket Ponderosa | Kohei Matsuyama Takashi Suzuki | Koji Maeda North Hills Co . Ltd. |
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| 6 | 11 | Galore Creek(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Kinshasa no Kiseki Gold Relic | Kingmambo Gold Bust | Yuga Kawada Hiroyuki Uehara | Yukio Mizukami Kasamatsu Bokujo |
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| 6 | 12 | Salios(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Heart's Cry Salomina | Lomitas Saldentigerin | Damian Lane Noriyuki Hori | Silk Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing |
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| 7 | 13 | Deep Bond(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Kizuna Zephyranthes | King Halo Mogami Hime | Ryuji Wada Ryuji Okubo | Shinji Maeda Murata Bokujo |
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| 7 | 14 | My Rhapsody(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Heart's Cry Teddy's Promise | Salt Lake Braids and Beads | Norihiro Yokoyama Yasuo Tomomichi | Kieffers Co. Ltd. Northern Racing |
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| 7 | 15 | Satono Flag(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Deep Impact Balada Sale | Not For Sale La Balada | Yutaka Take Sakae Kunieda | Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd. Northern Farm |
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| 8 | 16 | Man of Spirit(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Rulership Sunday Smile | Sunday Silence Sensation | Yuichi Kitamura Takashi Saito | Hoshino Racing Northern Farm |
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| 8 | 17 | Valcos(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Novellist Land's Edge | Dance in the Dark Wind In Her Hair | Kosei Miura Yasuo Tomomichi | Kazuhiro Sasaki Northern Farm |
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| 8 | 18 | Win Carnelian(JPN) | C3 | 57.0 | Screen Hero Cosmo Crystal | Meiner Love Christian Name | Hironobu Tanabe Yuichi Shikato | Win Co. Ltd. Cosmo View Farm |
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 11:46am
Five starters by Deep Impact, three by Heart's Cry, and altogether no less than thirteen of eighteen from the Sunday Silence sire line.
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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 31 May 2020 at 4:47pm
Contrail is very very good
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 31 May 2020 at 5:03pm
Thanks djebel Jamal Horlicks.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 31 May 2020 at 9:52pm
TOKYO 11R | THE TOKYO YUSHUN (JAPANESE DERBY)(G1) |
May 31, 2020, 2400m, Turf Firm, Cloudy, Post time 15:40 | INT C&F DSN, Special Weight, 3-Year-Olds, Open Class, Value of race: 418,140,000 Yen |
| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | total | Added Money (Yen) | 200,000,000 | 80,000,000 | 50,000,000 | 30,000,000 | 20,000,000 | 380,000,000 | Stakes Money (Yen) | 26,698,000 | 7,628,000 | 3,814,000 | 0 | 0 | 38,140,000 | Total (Yen) | 226,698,000 | 87,628,000 | 53,814,000 | 30,000,000 | 20,000,000 | 418,140,000 |
FP | Horse | Sire Dam | Dam's sire Dam's dam | Jockey Trainer | Owner Breeder | 1st | Contrail(JPN) | Deep Impact Rhodochrosite | Unbridled's Song Folklore | Yuichi Fukunaga Yogelatio Yahagi | Shinji Maeda North Hills Co . Ltd. | 2nd | Salios(JPN) | Heart's Cry Salomina | Lomitas Saldentigerin | Damian Lane Noriyuki Hori | Silk Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing | 3rd | Weltreisende(JPN) | Dream Journey Mandela | Acatenango Mandellicht | Kenichi Ikezoe Yasutoshi Ikee | Sunday Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing | 4th | Satono Impresa(JPN) | Deep Impact Sahpresa | Sahm Sorpresa | Ryusei Sakai Yogelatio Yahagi | Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd. Shadai Farm | 5th | Deep Bond(JPN) | Kizuna Zephyranthes | King Halo Mogami Hime | Ryuji Wada Ryuji Okubo | Shinji Maeda Murata Bokujo | 6th | Galore Creek(JPN) | Kinshasa no Kiseki Gold Relic | Kingmambo Gold Bust | Yuga Kawada Hiroyuki Uehara | Yukio Mizukami Kasamatsu Bokujo | 7th | Black Hole(JPN) | Gold Ship Viva Bouquet | King Kamehameha Blue Ridge River | Yukito Ishikawa Ikuo Aizawa | Seichi Serizawa Seiichi Serizawa | 8th | Wakea(JPN) | Heart's Cry Cherry Collect | Oratorio Holy Moon | Christophe Lemaire Takahisa Tezuka | Yukihiro Ochiai Northern Racing | 9th | My Rhapsody(JPN) | Heart's Cry Teddy's Promise | Salt Lake Braids and Beads | Norihiro Yokoyama Yasuo Tomomichi | Kieffers Co. Ltd. Northern Racing | 10th | Bitterender(JPN) | Orfevre Bitter Sweet | Afleet Alex Moonlight Gardens | Akihide Tsumura Ikuo Aizawa | K.Hidaka Breeders Union Sakurai Bokujo | 11th | Satono Flag(JPN) | Deep Impact Balada Sale | Not For Sale La Balada | Yutaka Take Sakae Kunieda | Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd. Northern Farm | 12th | Cortesia(JPN) | Symboli Kris S Ciel et Mer | Jungle Pocket Ponderosa | Kohei Matsuyama Takashi Suzuki | Koji Maeda North Hills Co . Ltd. | 13th | Darlington Hall(GB) | New Approach Miss Kenton | Pivotal Do The Honours | Mirco Demuro Tetsuya Kimura | Godolphin Canning Bloodstock Ltd | 14th | Valcos(JPN) | Novellist Land's Edge | Dance in the Dark Wind In Her Hair | Kosei Miura Yasuo Tomomichi | Kazuhiro Sasaki Northern Farm | 15th | L'Excellence(JPN) | Deep Impact Xcellence | Champs Elysees Xanadu Bliss | Shu Ishibashi Manabu Ikezoe | Silk Racing Co. Ltd. Northern Racing | 16th | Man of Spirit(JPN) | Rulership Sunday Smile | Sunday Silence Sensation | Yuichi Kitamura Takashi Saito | Hoshino Racing Northern Farm | 17th | Win Carnelian(JPN) | Screen Hero Cosmo Crystal | Meiner Love Christian Name | Hironobu Tanabe Yuichi Shikato | Win Co. Ltd. Cosmo View Farm | 18th | Al Jannah(JPN) | Deep Impact Condo Commando | Tiz Wonderful Yearly Report | Suguru Hamanaka Yasutoshi Ikee | Katsumi Yoshida Northern Farm |
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