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Topic: Japanese Racing
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Japanese Racing
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 4:06am
Hanshin Daishoten (G2)

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 4:07am

THE OKA SHO (JAPANESE 1000 GUINEAS)(G1)


April 8, 2012, 1600m, Turf
INT F&M DSN, Special Weight, 3-Year-Olds, Open Class, Value of race: 207,900,000 Yen


1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th total
Added Money (Yen) 89,000,000 36,000,000 22,000,000 13,000,000 8,900,000 168,900,000
Stakes Money (Yen) 27,300,000 7,800,000 3,900,000 0 0 39,000,000
Total (Yen) 116,300,000 43,800,000 25,900,000 13,000,000 8,900,000 207,900,000

Bk Hs Horse Sex
Age
Weight
(Kg)
Sire
Dam
Dam's sire
Dam's dam
Jockey
Trainer
Owner
Breeder
1 1 Dame du Lac(JPN)
F3
55.0 Symboli Kris S
Fairy Tail Time
Fairy King
Minnie Hauk
Futoshi Komaki
Masazo Ryoke
Genichiro Sakakibara
Shimoyashiki Bokujo
1 2 Epice Arome(JPN)
F3
55.0 Daiwa Major
Ratafia
Cozzene
Sakura Fabulous
Suguru Hamanaka
Sei Ishizaka
Katsumi Yoshida
Northern Farm
2 3 Omega Heartland(JPN)
F3
55.0 Agnes Tachyon
Omega Island
El Condor Pasa
Irish Dance
Syu Ishibashi
Noriyuki Hori
Reiko Hara
Shadai Farm
2 4 Sunshine(JPN)
F3
55.0 Heart's Cry
Baldwina
Pistolet Bleu
Balioka
Mirco Demuro
Kenichi Fujioka
Yoichi Aoyama
Shadai Farm
3 5 Para la Salud(JPN)
F3
55.0 Deep Impact
Tanta Suerte
Stuka
Trapial
Hiroshi Kitamura
Sakae Kunieda
G1 Racing Co. Ltd.
Shadai Corporation Inc.
3 6 Eishin Kincsem(JPN)
F3
55.0 Fuji Kiseki
Archaique Lady
Mr. Greeley
No More Ironing
Yuga Kawada
Tomokazu Takano
Toyomitsu Hirai
Umeda Bokujo
4 7 Meisho Suzanna(JPN)
F3
55.0 Agnes Digital
Green Olive
Sunday Silence
Meishosky
Yutaka Take
Yogelatiada Takahashi
Yogelatiaka Matsumoto
Hokusei Murata Bokujo
4 8 Meine Epona(JPN)
F3
55.0 King Kamehameha
Lady Bellona
Sunday Silence
Shinko Lovely
Hayato Yoshida
Makoto Saito
K.Thoroughbred Club Ruffian
Shinkoh Farm
5 9 Ichiokuno Hoshi(JPN)
F3
55.0 Zenno Rob Roy
Lady Ying
Kendor
Super Vite
Hironobu Tanabe
Eiichi Yano
Keiko Kobayashi
Shadai Farm
5 10 Gentildonna(JPN)
F3
55.0 Deep Impact
Donna Blini
Bertolini
Cal Norma's Lady
Yasunari Iwata
Sei Ishizaka
Sunday Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing
6 11 I'm Yours(JPN)
F3
55.0 Falbrav
Cecile Blues
El Condor Pasa
Cecil Cut
Nicola Pinna
Takahisa Tezuka
Your Story
Northern Farm
6 12 Prenotato(JPN)
F3
55.0 Jungle Pocket
Sexy Coconuts
Dance in the Dark
Coco Passion
Katsumi Ando
Mitsunori Makiura
Silk Co.Ltd
Matsuda Bokujo
7 13 Sound of Heart(JPN)
F3
55.0 Agnes Tachyon
Shimmei Minerva
Caerleon
Hujjab
Masami Matsuoka
Yasuhisa Matsuyama
Turf Sport
Taihei Stud Farm Co. Ltd
7 14 Tosen Benizakura(JPN)
F3
55.0 Daiwa Major
Tosen Brilliant
White Muzzle
Pulsate
Akihide Tsumura
Isamu Shibasaki
Takaya Shimakawa
Takaya Shimakawa
7 15 Verxina(JPN)
F3
55.0 Deep Impact
Halwa Sweet
Machiavellian
Halwa Song
Hiroyuki Uchida
Yasuo Tomomichi
Kazuhiro Sasaki
Northern Racing
8 16 Fine Choice(JPN)
F3
55.0 Admire Moon
Affrettata
Taiki Shuttle
China Breeze
Kenichi Ikezoe
Masazo Ryoke
Junzo Miyakawa
Tomita Bokujo
8 17 Joie de Vivre(JPN)
F3
55.0 Deep Impact
Biwa Heidi
Caerleon
Aghsan
Yuichi Fukunaga
Hiroyoshi Matsuda
Sunday Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing
8 18 Arafune(JPN)
F3
55.0 Kurofune
Silence Mambo
Sunday Silence
Asaka Mambo
Genki Maruyama
Yutaka Takahashi
U.Araki Farm
Araki Farm


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2012 at 4:08am
http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120408.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120408.pdf

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 4:13am
2000m 2000 Guineas.
http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120415.pdf" rel="nofollow -
http://japanracing.jp/_pdf/information/jra-race-programme/2012/120415.pdf


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Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 10:10pm
What did people think of the winner Gold Ship?

Was last for 1400m of it, seemed to make up 10 lengths up the inside on the turn then just did what he liked. World Ace raced exceptionally well to run on for 2nd after covering many more lengths than the winner, with World Ace's jockey took the long root & Gold Ship's the short one after they were last & 2nd last with 800m to go.

Gold Ship also bred on the same Stay Gold/Mejiro McQueen cross as Orfevre, should be a great Tokyo Yushun.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 10:12pm
Strange race, The majority of the field fanned very wide. Not sure what to make of it.

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 11:51am
I don't know anything about Japanese racing, was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the form for this one is like? First up in Aus tomorrow for Weir at Geelong over 1400




TAP THAT (JPN)

4yo Grey Horse
D.O.B: 11-Apr-2012
by TAPIT (USA)  from ART PRINCESS (USA)
http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/PedigreeSearch.aspx?horseName=Tap+That&sireName=Tapit&damName=Art+Princess" rel="nofollow - 5x Pedigree Report  

StatusActive
Owner’s Details (updated nightly)Waratah Thoroughbreds
Stewards EmbargoesNone on record
Emergency Vaccination Record http://www.studbook.org.au/horse.aspx?hid=1115529&pagetype=VCCN" rel="nofollow - (Click here for more details)
Last Gear Change*None on record.
Trainer http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MTIyMjcwNjA%3d&trainername=Mr+Darren+Weir" rel="nofollow - Mr Darren Weir  (Wangoom)
Racing ColoursWhite, Red Waratah, Diagonal Halved Sleeves, White Cap, Red Waratah
CareerSummary: 7-2:1:0    Prizemoney: $386,410     
Min/Max-Dist-Win: 1600/1700     1st Up: 5:1-1-0    2nd Up: 2:1-0-0     
Track: 0:0-0-0    Dist: 1:0-0-0    Track/Dist: 0:0-0-0 
Firm: 1:0-0-0     Good: 5:2-1-0     Soft: 0:0-0-0     Heavy: 0:0-0-0    Synthetic: 0:0-0-0
Note: NSW & WA Gear Changes may be incomplete 

http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Recent Form
http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseAllForm.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - All Form
http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Embargoes.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Embargoes
http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_GearChanges.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Gear Changes
http://racingaustralia.horse/FreeServices/HorseSearch_Ratings_Flats.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Ratings
http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseEngagement.aspx?HorseCode=NTA3NjE5MTMyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTk2MzczMzgzMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Noms | Wgts | Accs
 
1st of 9 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY4NTgzMA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - SAPO 31Aug14  1700m Good 2Y MDN-SW $142,979 ($74,691)  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MjA4NDU0NjE3MTA%3d" rel="nofollow - Yasutoshi Ikee  54kg Barrier 3 
2nd  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIyNzY4MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3MzkzMzcyMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Okhotsk (USA)  54kg 1:48.00, 2.5L $2.50
1st of 14 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTcxMjA5MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - TOKD 18Oct14  1600m Good 2Y-ALW $203,799 ($107,704)  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga  55kg Barrier 14 
2nd  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIyODY5MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3OTM2MzQ4MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Devastation (JPN)  55kg 1:39.50, 0.5L $2.10
2nd of 14 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY4Nzg1MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - KAWA 17Dec14  1609m Good NISAI YUSHUN Listed $634,870 ($130,708)  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga  55kg Barrier 9 
1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIyOTcwMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk0NTg0MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Dear Domus (JPN)  55kg, 3rd  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMDcxMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk0NTg0MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Taisei Lavish (JPN)  55kg 1:45.30, 0.5L $2.50
6th of 16 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTcxNDExMA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - TOKD 22Feb15  1400m Fast HYACINTH STKS Listed $354,858  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga  57kg Barrier 9 
1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMTcyMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3OTM5MDc1MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Golden Barows (USA)  56kg 1:37.10, 7.5L $9.50
5th of 10 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY4OTg3MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - MEYD 28Mar15  1900m Good UAE DERBY Group 2 $2,443,556 ($73,307)  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=ODA3MDU5Njkw" rel="nofollow - Joao Moreira  55kg Barrier 6 
1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3MzM3MjQxMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk1MzkyMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Mubtaahij (IRE)  55kg 1:58.35, 10.8L $26
14th of 14 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTcxNTEyMA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - TOKD 21Jun15  1600m Good UNICORN STKS Group 3 $672,423  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NTU1ODQzNDAw" rel="nofollow - Yuichi Fukunaga  56kg Barrier 14 
1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMjczMA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3OTQwMjg3MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Nonkono Yume (JPN)  56kg 1:35.90, 11.8L $28
14th of 14 http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=NTE5MTY5MTg5MA%3d%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - HSN. 13Sep15  1800m Firm OPN-ALW $358,026  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MjA4MjU3NzE3NjA%3d" rel="nofollow - Keita Tosaki  54kg Barrier 1 
1st  http://racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTA3NjIzMzc0MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=OTg3Mzk1ODk3MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Remain Silent (JPN)  55kg 1:46.20, 12.5L $37


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Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 10:47pm
No idea about the answer to your Q Shawy, but this particular horse was in the early noms for The Championships, particulary Sydney Cup and the QE

Weir must have a big opinion of him because he doesn't nominate them for big races for no reason.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2016 at 1:20pm
All its form is on dirt.




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Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2016 at 10:55pm
Joao rode 6 winners at Sapporo yesterday

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Those who know don't tell, Those who tell don't know


Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 2:18am
Looking through the form of a former Japanese horse racing in Australia, and i noticed there was a race where the track conditions is called 'Wet Fast', and the next run was on a 'soft' track so it's definitely different from that, and on Racing Australia the type doesn't fall into any category, including 'synthetic', even though the actual race which was labelled 'Wet Fast' was on the 'Tokyo Dirt' course.

What exactly is 'Wet Fast'?


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Beliskner Beliskner wrote:

Looking through the form of a former Japanese horse racing in Australia, and i noticed there was a race where the track conditions is called 'Wet Fast', and the next run was on a 'soft' track so it's definitely different from that, and on Racing Australia the type doesn't fall into any category, including 'synthetic', even though the actual race which was labelled 'Wet Fast' was on the 'Tokyo Dirt' course.

What exactly is 'Wet Fast'?


We have this in the US as a track condition.

The definition from Equibase is as follows:

Dirt Conditions:
FT - Fast - Completely dry and at optimal efficiency.
WF - Wet Fast - Occurs immediately after a heavy rain; track has surface water on it, but the base is still solid, accounting for times similar to (or even faster than) a fast track.
SY - Sloppy - As the track continues to accumulate moisture, the base is still solid but water is beginning to seep into the base;

https://www.equibase.com/newfan/page4-1.cfm" rel="nofollow - https://www.equibase.com/newfan/page4-1.cfm


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 5:24pm

How Japan has emerged as a giant of horse breeding

Betting profits

There's another secret to Japan's horse racing success, though, and that lies with the fans.
The public are only allowed to bet on a few sports and horse racing is one of them; 2016 was the first time punters could put money on foreign races.

The betting industry, meanwhile, has also boomed, and it was estimated that Japan wagered $22.5 billion in 2015.

"Deep Impact is more famous than any other stallion at the moment I think."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/15/sport/japan-horse-breeding-betting-winning-post/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/15/sport/japan-horse-breeding-betting-winning-post/index.html


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 4:13pm
The first 2yo race of the season in Japan, it was run over 1600m

Unnamed  
Daiwa Major (JPN)
Chestnut 2001
Sunday Silence
Brown 1986
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb
Almahmoud
1944
1947
14-f
2-d
Wishing Well
Bay 1975
Understanding
Chestnut 1963
Promised Land
Pretty Ways
1954
1953
14-b
1-g
Mountain Flower
Bay 1964
Montparnasse
Edelweiss
1956
1959
19>
3-e
Scarlet Bouquet
Chestnut 1988
Northern Taste
Chestnut 1971
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Lady Victoria
Bay 1962
Victoria Park
Lady Angela
1957
1944
10-c
14-c
Scarlet Ink
Chestnut 1971
Crimson Satan
Chestnut 1959
Spy Song
Papila
1943
1943
2-o
26>
Consentida
Bay 1962
Beau Max
La Menina
1947
1958
20>
4-d
Mystique (GER)
Bay 2009
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Montfleur
Bay 2002
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Mackie
Bay or brown 1993
Summer Squall
Bay 1987
Storm Bird
Weekend Surprise
1978
1980
4-j
3-l
Glowing Tribute
Bay 1973
Graustark
Admiring
1963
1962
4-d
1-s
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 4m


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 8:45pm


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 8:50pm


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 8:55pm
Japanese Star or Pakistan Star ? Smile

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 9:44pm
Nanako Fujita

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 9:45pm


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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 9:47pm
Stunning girl  !
The poor pony looks like he is going out to a P.C. fancy dress day LOL


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animals before people.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 9:52pm
Dont know who the horse is, a friend sent it to me laughing about the ear muffs.

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Posted By: Sworn Revenge
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 11:29pm
Any forumites ever attended a Japanese racing meeting? Going on holiday there mid Sep and looking to head to Hanshin for their G2 St Leger. If anyone has I'll be interested in their feedback and and advices on attending/punt etc. Thanks in advance

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It's only called gambling when you lose


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 11:09am
Saturnalia, I'd love to know the price of this one today, should just win

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EAD


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 10:04pm
Super smart horse Saturnalia

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 2:10pm


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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 2:20pm
They never seem to wear knee boots anymore , even "our girl" never wore them , always surprised me, we would never be allowed to do that with our champs, and we had a few .


Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:




What a good looker


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 4:42pm


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 6:42pm
Who is the animal with the leggings on djebel, Saturnalia?

It reminds me of Lonhro's three-times stakes-winning brother Niello: all up front but lacking behind.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 7:00pm
Both pictures are Saturnalia. 

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 7:10pm
Thanks.  Thumbs Up

Who was it said pictures don't lie?  


Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 10:42pm
Hello,
Saturnalia is from the same damline ss "Overshare" common ancestor is "Kirov Premiere".
The Sire Lord Kanaloa traces to "Somethingroyal", dam of the HB's Secretariat/Sir Gaylord.
 
regards, Ticino


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 May 2019 at 7:19pm
Failed to stay.

SATURNALIA (JPN)Bay or brown colt 2016 
Lord Kanaloa
Bay 2008
King Kamehameha
Bay 2001
Kingmambo
Bay 1990
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Miesque
Bay 1984
Nureyev
Pasadoble
1977
1979
5-h
20>
Manfath
Brown 1991
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Mill Princess
1975
1977
8-f
8-c
Pilot Bird
Bay 1983
Blakeney
The Dancer
1966
1977
20-c
22-d
Lady Blossom
Bay 1996
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
Terlingua
Chestnut 1976
Secretariat
Crimson Saint
1970
1969
2-s
8-c
Saratoga Dew
Bay 1989
Cormorant
Bay 1974
His Majesty
Song Sparrow
1968
1967
4-d
5-j
Super Luna
Bay 1982
In Reality
Alada
1964
1976
21-a
2-s
Cesario
Bay or brown 2002
Special Week
Bay or brown 1995
Sunday Silence
Brown 1986
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Cosmah
1958
1953
4-n
2-d
Wishing Well
Bay 1975
Understanding
Mountain Flower
1963
1964
1-g
3-e
Campaign Girl
Bay 1987
Maruzensky
Bay 1974
Nijinsky
Shill
1967
1970
8-f
5-g
Lady Shiraoki
Bay 1978
Saint Crespin
Miss Ashiyagawa
1956
1964
22-a
3-l
Kirov Premiere
Bay 1990
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Querida
Bay or brown 1975
Habitat
Bay 1966
Sir Gaylord
Little Hut
1959
1952
2-s
4-r
Principia
Brown 1970
Le Fabuleux
Pia
1961
1964
13-c
16-a
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 4m


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 May 2019 at 7:25pm
Stayed completely. Looking at his form HOW did he start such long odds ?

ROGER BAROWS (JPN)Bay colt 2016 
Deep Impact
Bay 2002
Sunday Silence
Brown 1986
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb
Almahmoud
1944
1947
14-f
2-d
Wishing Well
Bay 1975
Understanding
Chestnut 1963
Promised Land
Pretty Ways
1954
1953
14-b
1-g
Mountain Flower
Bay 1964
Montparnasse
Edelweiss
1956
1959
19>
3-e
Wind in Her Hair
Bay 1991
Alzao
Bay 1980
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
Lady Rebecca
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Pocahontas
1965
1955
8-g
9-h
Burghclere
Bay 1977
Busted
Bay 1963
Crepello
Sans le Sou
1954
1957
16-d
2-s
Highclere
Bay 1971
Queen's Hussar
Highlight
1960
1958
19-c
2-f
Little Book
Bay 2008
Librettist
Bay 2002
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Mysterial
Bay or brown 1994
Alleged
Bay 1974
Hoist the Flag
Princess Pout
1968
1966
5-i
2-s
Mysteries
Chestnut 1986
Seattle Slew
Phydilla
1974
1978
13-c
6-b
Cal Norma's Lady
Chestnut 1988
Lyphard's Special
Bay 1980
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
My Bupers
Bay or brown 1967
Bupers
Princess Revoked
1961
1959
1-s
6-a
June Darling
Bay 1983
Junius
Bay 1976
Raja Baba
Solid Thought
1968
1957
3-l
3-n
Beau Darling
Chestnut 1966
Darling Boy
Fair Astronomer
1958
1960
1-n
16-f
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 4m,5m Lyphard4m x 4m


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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 30 May 2019 at 11:51pm
Hello,
Velox (by Just a Way) the 3rd placed runner in the "Japanese Derby" has a German breeding background. His dam Selkis (by Monsun) is from the "Schwarzgold Family" via a lesser strain.
When you check 'Just a Way' ped you will see, he has some Aussie Connections.
 
best regards, Ticino


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2019 at 9:34pm
READ

http://newspaper.racingpost.com/html5/reader/get_clipping.aspx?edid=4f6f30bb-ba11-441a-b6aa-a3960fe6d794&pnum=6&time=20191204101933366" rel="nofollow - http://newspaper.racingpost.com/html5/reader/get_clipping.aspx?edid=4f6f30bb-ba11-441a-b6aa-a3960fe6d794&pnum=6&time=20191204101933366


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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 10:39am
I'm looking forward to the G1 Arima Kinen (2500m) today. The race features the Japan Cup winner Suave Richard, Cox Plate winner Lys Gracieux and Almond Eye.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 10:59am
The race feature the last 3 Japan Cup winners.

Great race.


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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 11:39am
I think Lys Gracieux can beat Almond today.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

I think Lys Gracieux can beat Almond today.


Distance (2500m) shouldn't be a problem. Lys Gracieux ran 2nd in the Hong Kong Vase at 2400m in December 2018.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 3:42pm
Will be interesting how the Cox Plate form holds up in Japan. The Mackinnon (won by Magic Wand) and Cox Plate (Magic Wand ran 4th) held up in Hong Kong when Magic Wand ran 2nd in the Hong Kong Cup.

It will be interesting if the Cox Plate form (winner - Lys Gracieux) can hold up in Japan.

It should be a good race.

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 5:30pm
Where are you now Jamal.
Weak era for Japanese racing?


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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

Where are you now Jamal.
Weak era for Japanese racing?


Where on this forum have I said that Japense racing is in a weak era? I am interested to know so please point the dialogue out to me.

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Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 5:53pm
Lane gave her the perfect ride. Saturnalia and Almond Eye were 3 deep the trip, LG was sitting nicely on the fence saving herself for her trademark finish. Great ride, great mare, well done.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:02pm
Agree saintly , certainly franked the form of her 2 wins here, just wondering if Almond Eye may have a blood problem, having pulled up a bit wobbly in Dubai after a run.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:09pm

Cox Plate win , mixed her with other CC winner.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

Where are you now Jamal.
Weak era for Japanese racing?


Where on this forum have I said that Japense racing is in a weak era? I am interested to know so please point the dialogue out to me.


It's basically by extension.


Castlevecchio is a champion.



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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:34pm

Cox plate form was franked, was it not?


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

Where are you now Jamal.
Weak era for Japanese racing?


Where on this forum have I said that Japense racing is in a weak era? I am interested to know so please point the dialogue out to me.


It's basically by extension.


Castlevecchio is a champion.



A champion? How?

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:53pm
So right djebel. We can only hope he takes natural improvement of summer and the QE is over unless Lys G comes back. And also hope trainer and owners keep their heads on and stay cool.

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 6:54pm
Jamal. What level do you rate Australian racing at the 2000 to 2400 m range?

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

Jamal. What level do you rate Australian racing at the 2000 to 2400 m range?


Pretty shallow. I still stand by this comment. Great that the Cox Plate and MacKinnon has held up in Japan and Hong Kong but the fact remains that 2jd and 3rd tier horses from overseas can still come to Australia and win G1s. Even at 3200m.as well.

This year.was good...nowni has to happen more consistently.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

So right djebel. We can only hope he takes natural improvement of summer and the QE is over unless Lys G comes back. And also hope trainer and owners keep their heads on and stay cool.


Kav - Australian Cup into the QE Stakes...Would be ideal races for him.

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 7:37pm
Rw Guineas/Rh Guineas into QE would be better IMO. Although AJC Derby may come into calculations.

But you need to be fair in your assessment of Australian racing. It is clear now that Magic Wand and Lys G are world class and are NOT 2nd or 3rd tier. We had plenty of horses who finished close to and around both of them. Two of the ones that finished within 1.3 len of Magic Wand in Mckinnon-Hartnell and Life Less ordinary who are both in the veteran age group. They were repeatedly handed trouncings by Winx when they were more youthful and closer to their prime.


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 8:21pm
What Magic Wand has done in the last 12 months is phenomenal.

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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 8:44pm
Short and sweet, you have summed her up djebel, the way she walked around the yard in honkers with her ears pricked and not a hair out of place , she looked the perfect racehorse, very unlucky not to win the event too, Lys. G. according to reports was her last run today fwiw.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 12:41am
Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

Rw Guineas/Rh Guineas into QE would be better IMO. Although AJC Derby may come into calculations.

But you need to be fair in your assessment of Australian racing. It is clear now that Magic Wand and Lys G are world class and are NOT 2nd or 3rd tier. We had plenty of horses who finished close to and around both of them. Two of the ones that finished within 1.3 len of Magic Wand in Mckinnon-Hartnell and Life Less ordinary who are both in the veteran age group. They were repeatedly handed trouncings by Winx when they were more youthful and closer to their prime.


I never said Lys G and Magic Wand were not world class

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 12:46am
And it happens time and time again when it comes to 2000m to 3200m racing in Australia...2nd and third tier horses from outside Australia do win G1s in Australia, this is why I am critical of Aussie racing at those distances in the past 5 o 6 years and people on this forum can knock me but I'll keep standing by this theory, however - Kav - you mentioned Lys G and Magic Wand...they are world class for sure...I agree.

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 8:50am
Jamal you are undermining yourself.  The one's coming are world class the one's just beaten are 2nd rate?  Sure we have lost our supreme thoroughbred in Winx going to stud.  So there is always a changing of the guard and patience is a virture.  But despite everything (AUS) stood up for itself over the spring and hopefully will go a place better in the Autumn.  We have to wait and see.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Jamal you are undermining yourself.  The one's coming are world class the one's just beaten are 2nd rate?  Sure we have lost our supreme thoroughbred in Winx going to stud.  So there is always a changing of the guard and patience is a virture.  But despite everything (AUS) stood up for itself over the spring and hopefully will go a place better in the Autumn.  We have to wait and see.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">


Australia stood up for itself over the spring? No it did not - internationally trained horses won 2 of the majors, plus the Caulfield Stakes and average Euros won the Moonee Valley Cup and the Hotham Handicap. Sorry I can not agree with your comment that Australia stood up for itself over the spring carnival.

Yes I agree..Lys G is world class but you know as well as I do that 2nd/3rd tier horses from overseas come to Australia and win G1s. Some even stay here and race on. Manighar, Glass Harmonium and Harlem (list goes on) to name a few. They wouldn't be winning G1 races in Australia during the period of the late 80s to 90s through to roughly 2010. Seriously....as I have said before...When it comes to 2000m to 3200m racing...we are in a weak era of Aussie racing...no depth at all. It used to he good but now it's not. There was qualoty in numbers....not so much now and has been for 5 or 6 years. Take Winx out (even during her reign) and it's pretty thin. Australia is obssessed with speed

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 4:47pm
Every nation is obsessed with speed. It is the number one function of the racing horse - SPEED.

Where Australia kisss up and YOU and your crony refuse to take note is the development of middle distant and stamina horses.

Watch 95% of the imported stayers will revert to Australian standard once our trainers have started influencing their performance. 

You can almost guarantee if Almond Eye was with Waller she'd be too fast to be tried over 2400m, The same can be said for Lys Gracieux.




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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:06pm
Strange you should say that about Almond Eye djebel, jockey advised a switch back to 2000 Lemaire) as she failed to comeback under him and 2500 was asking too much? he also stated she didn't handle tight corners ( go figure) , the time LysG ran 2-30 -00 with a nice pacemaker ( who punctured on the corner, Job done!) was 1 sec. outside race record, averaging 12 secs for 200 mts. very close to what we average here although the mare may have equalled it if ridden out, don't bring Waller into it imo most of his imports are very average, I did say most lol,


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:16pm
Lemaire himself might have been at fault with the ride there. He was posted 3 wide and tried to move forward and this probably fired her up, although I thought she settled quite nicely when you could get a good look at them.

If they were looking for excuses for her, and there were a few, She travelled deep and moved into the race like a good thing but when the pressure went on there was nothing there. My thoughts were the virus that ruled her out of Hong Kong probably left her under the weather for that last up hill 400 or so metres after the wide trip.




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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:23pm
Watch the way it all opens up for Lane as they come around the bend into the straight.




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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:34pm
So do you think the ride by Lane was perhaps not as good?

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Every nation is obsessed with speed. It is the number one function of the racing horse - SPEED.

Where Australia kisss up and YOU and your crony refuse to take note is the development of middle distant and stamina horses.

Watch 95% of the imported stayers will revert to Australian standard once our trainers have started influencing their performance. 

You can almost guarantee if Almond Eye was with Waller she'd be too fast to be tried over 2400m, The same can be said for Lys Gracieux.




Another foolish comment. I am well aware about our trainers and their lack of developing middle distance/staying horses.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Lemaire himself might have been at fault with the ride there. He was posted 3 wide and tried to move forward and this probably fired her up, although I thought she settled quite nicely when you could get a good look at them.

If they were looking for excuses for her, and there were a few, She travelled deep and moved into the race like a good thing but when the pressure went on there was nothing there. My thoughts were the virus that ruled her out of Hong Kong probably left her under the weather for that last up hill 400 or so metres after the wide trip.




Spot on here......the ride wasn't the best. 3 wide for most of the trip didn't help.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Strange you should say that about Almond Eye djebel, jockey advised a switch back to 2000 Lemaire) as she failed to comeback under him and 2500 was asking too much? he also stated she didn't handle tight corners ( go figure) , the time LysG ran 2-30 -00 with a nice pacemaker ( who punctured on the corner, Job done!) was 1 sec. outside race record, averaging 12 secs for 200 mts. very close to what we average here although the mare may have equalled it if ridden out, don't bring Waller into it imo most of his imports are very average, I did say most lol,



So 2500m was too far yet she won at 2400m last year in the Japan Cup. Maybe being 3 wide didn't help?

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:40pm
I don't call that opening up Djebel.  He managed to get down a lane between the first 1/2 and second 1/2 of the field but had to go right to the outside to run for the winning post.

She didn't even show sweat between her hind legs so a superior run all around.  Just in a purple patch that's for sure.

Jamel you didn't read my post well.  I said we have lost our superior mare in Winx and are now in a period which has to find a next class runners.  She saw most of her crew off to stud before she retired.  Now a three year old ran a very good second (much closer than anything yesterday got to her) and even Te Akau Shark did better than those runners!

They ran well and can improve they didn't just get walked over.  That's what I'm saying.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:45pm
And like Djebel said.  Speed is very important.  The rest of the world can win 2400m Derby's and Oaks with horses out of our speed horses who can barely win over 1200m let alone 1400m. 

Maybe it's because we train on our race tracks.  I don't know.

Back at the end of the 1800's we were sending superior stayers out to England which help with their breeding or stayers.  Now we send sprinters. Then they send decendents back for our Melbourne Cup - go figure.




Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

I don't call that opening up Djebel.  He managed to get down a lane between the first 1/2 and second 1/2 of the field but had to go right to the outside to run for the winning post.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">

She didn't even show sweat between her hind legs so a superior run all around.  Just in a purple patch that's for sure.

Jamel you didn't read my post well.  I said we have lost our superior mare in Winx and are now in a period which has to find a next class runners.  She saw most of her crew off to stud before she retired.  Now a three year old ran a very good second (much closer than anything yesterday got to her) and even Te Akau Shark did better than those runners!

They ran well and can improve they didn't just get walked over.  That's what I'm saying.


And I'm saying there has been a lack of depth in 2000m to 3200m racing for the past 5 or 6 years - even before the champion Winx was on the scene.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Every nation is obsessed with speed. It is the number one function of the racing horse - SPEED.

Where Australia kisss up and YOU and your crony refuse to take note is the development of middle distant and stamina horses.

Watch 95% of the imported stayers will revert to Australian standard once our trainers have started influencing their performance. 

You can almost guarantee if Almond Eye was with Waller she'd be too fast to be tried over 2400m, The same can be said for Lys Gracieux.




Another foolish comment. I am well aware about our trainers and their lack of developing middle distance/staying horses.

You say it is a foolish comment yet I doubt you even know what I meant.




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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:04pm
You are a fool for even assuming that.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:11pm
I am a fool for engaging with you and that clown.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:13pm
No not at all. You just get worked up when people have a different point of view. I'd hate to see you in parliament as a politician...you'd get worked up over any issue

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:13pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I am a fool for engaging with you and that clown.


But no - you are not a fool.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:18pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

kiss right off.

People always have different point of view to me.

It is just you and your tag team mate who piss me right off.

YOU and HIM are absolute dills.



Again if you annoyed at people's different point of view then that is your problem....not my problem...not anyone else's problem...But YOUR problem. Understand? Why grt worked up over peoples different opinion(s). Historically you and I have got along well - let's keep it that way shall we...and again.. do not get worked up. Just calm down.

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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:25pm
Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Strange you should say that about Almond Eye djebel, jockey advised a switch back to 2000 Lemaire) as she failed to comeback under him and 2500 was asking too much? he also stated she didn't handle tight corners ( go figure) , the time LysG ran 2-30 -00 with a nice pacemaker ( who punctured on the corner, Job done!) was 1 sec. outside race record, averaging 12 secs for 200 mts. very close to what we average here although the mare may have equalled it if ridden out, don't bring Waller into it imo most of his imports are very average, I did say most lol,



So 2500m was too far yet she won at 2400m last year in the Japan Cup. Maybe being 3 wide didn't help?

Have a chat with Lemaire he might enlighten more than me , I'm just quoting fwiw.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 6:31pm
Have a chat with Lemaire he might enlighten more than me , I'm just quoting fwiw.[/QUOTE]

Yeah all good I'm not doubting you mate

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 8:39pm
Jamal,you have beeon a mission to diminish Winx for years and even when facts refute your claims you harp on.
Maybe you are upset she is better than Rogan Josh or anything that has come out of WA.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 8:44pm
I have said plenty of times that Winx is a champion.

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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 9:45pm
I see Lys Gracieux just won the Japanese Grp 1 by 5 lengths smashing Almond Eye in the process. It doesn't make the 2019 Cox plate form look too bad even in a weak year. Just goes to show how good Winx was as she would have beaten Castlevechio by panels.


Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 9:57pm
Well said rancher.

Pretty sure that the win by Lys G will be and should be rated highest of the year.

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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 9:58pm
Also given LG just won the biggest race in Japan by 5 lengths beating Almond Eye she should be rated the best horse in the world IMO. Screw those Euros that can't do much on the world stage on good flat tracks but keep on getting stupidly high ratings


Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 10:07pm
kavg you beat me to it. Totally agree. She absolutely smashed them in Japan's biggest Grp 1.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by Red Rancher Red Rancher wrote:

Also given LG just won the biggest race in Japan by 5 lengths beating Almond Eye she should be rated the best horse in the world IMO. Screw those Euros that can't do much on the world stage on good flat tracks but keep on getting stupidly high ratings


Red Rancher- How many Euros have won G1s on flat tracks in Australia? I think you'll find plenty have.

"Screw those Euros that can't do much on the world stage on good flat tracks" that comment is plain wrong.

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 1:44pm
The fact is that if Enable or Crystal ocean or magical had done exactly what Lys G did on Sunday it would be the highest rated performance of the year.
I await to see what all the international ratings agencies do.Whether they rate accordingly or continue to be a biased laughing stock. And I am not for one second denigrating the magnificent Enable has done or her friends from Europe.

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

The fact is that if Enable or Crystal ocean or magical had done exactly what Lys G did on Sunday it would be the highest rated performance of the year.
I await to see what all the international ratings agencies do.Whether they rate accordingly or continue to be a biased laughing stock. And I am not for one second denigrating the magnificent Enable has done or her friends from Europe.


I personallynthink Timeform should give the performance around the mark of 127 to 129.

In regards to the OR (Official Rating) in which Longines do the ratings and these ratings decide "best horses in the world etc" usually they are a few pounds lower then Timeform due to different methods I think. So I am guessing 125 to 126 at least.

It was a great win. Won easily.

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Posted By: Formerly Kincsem
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 10:02pm
She beat the best horses from the strongest racing jurisdiction on the planet by 5L. If she gets 127 (whobegotyou) to 129 (Ocean Park), then the UK ruse roles on. Must be circa 131+ to be taken seriously.


Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 11:01pm
Agree FK. Simple mathematics.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 12:01am
The Japanese handicapper gave 129. They are the ones that downgrade them.

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 10:59am
The colonies and the 'foreigners' pander and toe the line to appease the masters. 



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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 11:38am
Not really. Our horses are well and truly overly and wrongly rated. Greg Carpenter punches above his weight at these shindigs.

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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 11:30pm
G1 WS Cox Plate winner Lys Gracieux has been named Japan's 2019 Horse of the Year in a landslide, garnering 271 of the 274 votes from Japanese racing journalists!


Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 8:34pm
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/cox-plate-winner-lys-gracieux-two-points-off-the-top-of-the-world-20200123" rel="nofollow - https://www.racenet.com.au/news/cox-plate-winner-lys-gracieux-two-points-off-the-top-of-the-world-20200123

Here is confirmation of the joke that is the international ratings. Lys Gracieux for devastatingly winning the arima kinen rates the same as Baataash for winning the nunthorpe.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 1:19pm

TOKYO 11R

THE TOKYO YUSHUN (JAPANESE DERBY)(G1)


May 31, 2020, 2400m, Turf, Post time 15:40
INT C&F DSN, Special Weight, 3-Year-Olds, Open Class, Value of race: 418,140,000 Yen


1st2nd3rd4th5thtotal
Added Money (Yen)200,000,00080,000,00050,000,00030,000,00020,000,000380,000,000
Stakes Money (Yen)26,698,0007,628,0003,814,0000038,140,000
Total (Yen)226,698,00087,628,00053,814,00030,000,00020,000,000418,140,000

BkHsHorseSex
Age
Weight
(Kg)
Sire
Dam
Dam's sire
Dam's dam
Jockey
Trainer
Owner
Breeder
Win
Fav
Win
Odds
11Satono Impresa(JPN)
C3
57.0Deep Impact
Sahpresa
Sahm
Sorpresa
Ryusei Sakai
Yogelatio Yahagi
Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd.
Shadai Farm


12Al Jannah(JPN)
C3
57.0Deep Impact
Condo Commando
Tiz Wonderful
Yearly Report
Suguru Hamanaka
Yasutoshi Ikee
Katsumi Yoshida
Northern Farm


23Wakea(JPN)
C3
57.0Heart's Cry
Cherry Collect
Oratorio
Holy Moon
Christophe Lemaire
Takahisa Tezuka
Yukihiro Ochiai
Northern Racing


24L'Excellence(JPN)
C3
57.0Deep Impact
Xcellence
Champs Elysees
Xanadu Bliss
Shu Ishibashi
Manabu Ikezoe
Silk Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing


35Contrail(JPN)
C3
57.0Deep Impact
Rhodochrosite
Unbridled's Song
Folklore
Yuichi Fukunaga
Yogelatio Yahagi
Shinji Maeda
North Hills Co . Ltd.


36Weltreisende(JPN)
C3
57.0Dream Journey
Mandela
Acatenango
Mandellicht
Kenichi Ikezoe
Yasutoshi Ikee
Sunday Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing


47Black Hole(JPN)
C3
57.0Gold Ship
Viva Bouquet
King Kamehameha
Blue Ridge River
Yukito Ishikawa
Ikuo Aizawa
Seichi Serizawa
Seiichi Serizawa


48Bitterender(JPN)
C3
57.0Orfevre
Bitter Sweet
Afleet Alex
Moonlight Gardens
Akihide Tsumura
Ikuo Aizawa
K.Hidaka Breeders Union
Sakurai Bokujo


59Darlington Hall(GB)
C3
57.0New Approach
Miss Kenton
Pivotal
Do The Honours
Mirco Demuro
Tetsuya Kimura
Godolphin
Canning Bloodstock Ltd


510Cortesia(JPN)
C3
57.0Symboli Kris S
Ciel et Mer
Jungle Pocket
Ponderosa
Kohei Matsuyama
Takashi Suzuki
Koji Maeda
North Hills Co . Ltd.


611Galore Creek(JPN)
C3
57.0Kinshasa no Kiseki
Gold Relic
Kingmambo
Gold Bust
Yuga Kawada
Hiroyuki Uehara
Yukio Mizukami
Kasamatsu Bokujo


612Salios(JPN)
C3
57.0Heart's Cry
Salomina
Lomitas
Saldentigerin
Damian Lane
Noriyuki Hori
Silk Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing


713Deep Bond(JPN)
C3
57.0Kizuna
Zephyranthes
King Halo
Mogami Hime
Ryuji Wada
Ryuji Okubo
Shinji Maeda
Murata Bokujo


714My Rhapsody(JPN)
C3
57.0Heart's Cry
Teddy's Promise
Salt Lake
Braids and Beads
Norihiro Yokoyama
Yasuo Tomomichi
Kieffers Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing


715Satono Flag(JPN)
C3
57.0Deep Impact
Balada Sale
Not For Sale
La Balada
Yutaka Take
Sakae Kunieda
Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd.
Northern Farm


816Man of Spirit(JPN)
C3
57.0Rulership
Sunday Smile
Sunday Silence
Sensation
Yuichi Kitamura
Takashi Saito
Hoshino Racing
Northern Farm


817Valcos(JPN)
C3
57.0Novellist
Land's Edge
Dance in the Dark
Wind In Her Hair
Kosei Miura
Yasuo Tomomichi
Kazuhiro Sasaki
Northern Farm


818Win Carnelian(JPN)
C3
57.0Screen Hero
Cosmo Crystal
Meiner Love
Christian Name
Hironobu Tanabe
Yuichi Shikato
Win Co. Ltd.
Cosmo View Farm




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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 1:46pm
Five starters by Deep Impact, three by Heart's Cry, and altogether no less than thirteen of eighteen from the Sunday Silence sire line.


Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 31 May 2020 at 6:47pm
Contrail is very very good


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 31 May 2020 at 7:03pm
Thanks djebel Jamal Horlicks.Wink  Thumbs Up


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 31 May 2020 at 11:52pm

TOKYO 11R

THE TOKYO YUSHUN (JAPANESE DERBY)(G1)


May 31, 2020, 2400m, Turf Firm, Cloudy, Post time 15:40
INT C&F DSN, Special Weight, 3-Year-Olds, Open Class, Value of race: 418,140,000 Yen


1st2nd3rd4th5thtotal
Added Money (Yen)200,000,00080,000,00050,000,00030,000,00020,000,000380,000,000
Stakes Money (Yen)26,698,0007,628,0003,814,0000038,140,000
Total (Yen)226,698,00087,628,00053,814,00030,000,00020,000,000418,140,000

Official
FPBkHsHorseSex
Age
Weight
(Kg)
Finish
(1/10s)
MarginWin
Fav
Win
Odds
1st35Contrail(JPN)
C3
57.02:24.1
11.4
2nd612Salios(JPN)
C3
57.02:24.6324.4
3rd36Weltreisende(JPN)
C3
57.02:24.91 3/41066.4
4th11Satono Impresa(JPN)
C3
57.02:24.9HD963.4
5th713Deep Bond(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.01/2861.6
6th611Galore Creek(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.0NS751.6
7th47Black Hole(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.0NS17211.2
8th23Wakea(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.13/4312.8
9th714My Rhapsody(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.2NK1187.7
10th48Bitterender(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.2HD1391.2
11th715Satono Flag(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.31/2416.5
12th510Cortesia(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.43/414131.5
13th59Darlington Hall(GB)
C3
57.02:25.51/2530.3
14th817Valcos(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.5HD646.4
15th24L'Excellence(JPN)
C3
57.02:25.71 1/418213.5
16th816Man of Spirit(JPN)
C3
57.02:26.01 3/416179.7
17th818Win Carnelian(JPN)
C3
57.02:26.21 1/415141.0
18th12Al Jannah(JPN)
C3
57.02:26.33/41288.8

FPHorseSire
Dam
Dam's sire
Dam's dam
Jockey
Trainer
Owner
Breeder
1stContrail(JPN)Deep Impact
Rhodochrosite
Unbridled's Song
Folklore
Yuichi Fukunaga
Yogelatio Yahagi
Shinji Maeda
North Hills Co . Ltd.
2ndSalios(JPN)Heart's Cry
Salomina
Lomitas
Saldentigerin
Damian Lane
Noriyuki Hori
Silk Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing
3rdWeltreisende(JPN)Dream Journey
Mandela
Acatenango
Mandellicht
Kenichi Ikezoe
Yasutoshi Ikee
Sunday Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing
4thSatono Impresa(JPN)Deep Impact
Sahpresa
Sahm
Sorpresa
Ryusei Sakai
Yogelatio Yahagi
Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd.
Shadai Farm
5thDeep Bond(JPN)Kizuna
Zephyranthes
King Halo
Mogami Hime
Ryuji Wada
Ryuji Okubo
Shinji Maeda
Murata Bokujo
6thGalore Creek(JPN)Kinshasa no Kiseki
Gold Relic
Kingmambo
Gold Bust
Yuga Kawada
Hiroyuki Uehara
Yukio Mizukami
Kasamatsu Bokujo
7thBlack Hole(JPN)Gold Ship
Viva Bouquet
King Kamehameha
Blue Ridge River
Yukito Ishikawa
Ikuo Aizawa
Seichi Serizawa
Seiichi Serizawa
8thWakea(JPN)Heart's Cry
Cherry Collect
Oratorio
Holy Moon
Christophe Lemaire
Takahisa Tezuka
Yukihiro Ochiai
Northern Racing
9thMy Rhapsody(JPN)Heart's Cry
Teddy's Promise
Salt Lake
Braids and Beads
Norihiro Yokoyama
Yasuo Tomomichi
Kieffers Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing
10thBitterender(JPN)Orfevre
Bitter Sweet
Afleet Alex
Moonlight Gardens
Akihide Tsumura
Ikuo Aizawa
K.Hidaka Breeders Union
Sakurai Bokujo
11thSatono Flag(JPN)Deep Impact
Balada Sale
Not For Sale
La Balada
Yutaka Take
Sakae Kunieda
Satomi Horse Company Co. Ltd.
Northern Farm
12thCortesia(JPN)Symboli Kris S
Ciel et Mer
Jungle Pocket
Ponderosa
Kohei Matsuyama
Takashi Suzuki
Koji Maeda
North Hills Co . Ltd.
13thDarlington Hall(GB)New Approach
Miss Kenton
Pivotal
Do The Honours
Mirco Demuro
Tetsuya Kimura
Godolphin
Canning Bloodstock Ltd
14thValcos(JPN)Novellist
Land's Edge
Dance in the Dark
Wind In Her Hair
Kosei Miura
Yasuo Tomomichi
Kazuhiro Sasaki
Northern Farm
15thL'Excellence(JPN)Deep Impact
Xcellence
Champs Elysees
Xanadu Bliss
Shu Ishibashi
Manabu Ikezoe
Silk Racing Co. Ltd.
Northern Racing
16thMan of Spirit(JPN)Rulership
Sunday Smile
Sunday Silence
Sensation
Yuichi Kitamura
Takashi Saito
Hoshino Racing
Northern Farm
17thWin Carnelian(JPN)Screen Hero
Cosmo Crystal
Meiner Love
Christian Name
Hironobu Tanabe
Yuichi Shikato
Win Co. Ltd.
Cosmo View Farm
18thAl Jannah(JPN)Deep Impact
Condo Commando
Tiz Wonderful
Yearly Report
Suguru Hamanaka
Yasutoshi Ikee
Katsumi Yoshida
Northern Farm


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