Domesday
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Topic: Domesday
Posted By: Run For Fun
Subject: Domesday
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 7:06pm
Have we posted much on this fellow?
Now that he's with darley and coming down my way would appreciate any thoughts on his performances, pedigree, stallion potential etc.
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Posted By: Apollo
Date Posted: 08 May 2008 at 4:31am
Domesday was a nice 2yo, won his first two and was just about the run of the race in Stratum's Golden Slipper. Didn't win again but almost without exception was competitive in his races.
Descends tail female from Best In Show through Monroe, so there is a lot to like about his pedigree. However his dam In The Past is a 3/4 to Xaar, who has been very disappointing at stud here, and she has struggled to get another good horse, although Darley did pay $1.2m for her Redoute's Choice colt.
I personally like Red Ransom sons, but they are unproven so I guess we take our chances. With Domesday, Charge Forward, Face Value and Noble Red all at stud now he will get his chance to be a "sire of sires".
Domesday covered 83 mares in '06 for 61 live foals and only 48 mares last season (EI affected I presume). He has 4 weanlings on offer at Magic Millions and just the one in Melbourne. Stood both seasons for $11k and it will be interesting to see what he will stand for this season.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 1:16am
Going very nicely and seems good value this year. I wonder if he's the next cheapie that goes on to be a superstar.
Already a Group 1 and Group 3 placegetter and two other stakes performers from his first crop, and from rather moderate mares served at Darley Cootamundra.
Nice style of horse and from a ripper family, I'm sending one to him and believe he is a great asset for Victoria.
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Posted By: Dahlia
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 1:25am
I like Domesday, very impressed with him at last year's stallion parade. Smart move getting in, I hear he is booked out?
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Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 4:24pm
He will be the next cheapie to go on to be a superstar.
He is this years value stallion
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Posted By: BAZZ
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 6:12pm
i ilke domesday but i think this years value stallion is danzero. proven good sire and cheap compared to others with equivalent record
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 7:09pm
BAZZ wrote:
i ilke domesday but i think this years value stallion is danzero. proven good sire and cheap compared to others with equivalent record |
More expensive than domesday and did he even have any 2yo stakes performers this season.
At this stage of his career i think domesday is out performing lonhro, early days though i know.
Oh and i am not saying danzero isnt extremely good value, just i dont think he's as good a value as domesday.
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Posted By: Bottom Line
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 9:08pm
soothsayer wrote:
Going very nicely and seems good value this year. I wonder if he's the next cheapie that goes on to be a superstar.
Already a Group 1 and Group 3 placegetter and two other stakes performers from his first crop, and from rather moderate mares served at Darley Cootamundra.
Nice style of horse and from a ripper family, I'm sending one to him and believe he is a great asset for Victoria. |
And are you like others told to send a mare to another stallion of theirs to get this service?
I will agree that he is an asset to Victoria. It remains to be seen if it's great or not though.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:04pm
Bottom Line wrote:
soothsayer wrote:
Going very nicely and seems good value this year. I wonder if he's the next cheapie that goes on to be a superstar.
Already a Group 1 and Group 3 placegetter and two other stakes performers from his first crop, and from rather moderate mares served at Darley Cootamundra.
Nice style of horse and from a ripper family, I'm sending one to him and believe he is a great asset for Victoria. |
And are you like others told to send a mare to another stallion of theirs to get this service?
I will agree that he is an asset to Victoria. It remains to be seen if it's great or not though. |
Nope, we booked a mare back in January and got a call back after the fees were released. We're not sending any others to their stallions this year, it was a very straight forward deal.
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Posted By: vontastic
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 1:52am
if there is a negative with Domesday is he won't have many runners in next few seasons served only 48 mares in second season for 32 live foals followed by 71 in third year.
Can't fault him at the moment has 6 city class horses from only 17 runners.
Definately well priced this year.
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Posted By: progeny test
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2011 at 6:41am
The $1500 weanling (Nextanix) comes 2nd in the listed Country cup, so now a blacktype horse.
DOMESDAY is tracking just behind Encosta De Lago and Fastnet Rock on his stallion figures. And did it the hard way !
Congratulations to all those that had faith in him.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 7:03am
My domesday colt is from the same family they both tail to anjudy through royal progeny so im hoping there are some big wins in store for nextanix :)
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Posted By: maxamill
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 2:40am
funny you mention domesday and encosta in the same , i hear there is a encosta out of the same domes mum , now that may need some watching trained buy moody ,
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Posted By: Heroic
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 5:18pm
Australian stallions ranked by 2013/14 Stakes performed juveniles
Stallion |
Stakes performing 2YOs in 2013/14 |
Snitzel |
8 |
Fastnet Rock |
7 |
DOMESDAY |
6 |
I Am Invincible |
6 |
More Than Ready |
6 |
Exceed And Excel |
5 |
Not A Single Doubt |
5 |
Denman |
4 |
Street Cry |
4 |
Sebring |
4 |
Choisir |
4 |
Northern Meteor |
4 |
Domesday has covered 499 mares in his four seasons at Northwood Park including 43 Darley mares, so he has tremendous numbers coming through and the mare quality has improved each year.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 12:17am
Gai has a handy one in Mr boomsday
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Posted By: progeny test
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 9:16am
Don't know which way to swing on this horse. I have a foal due in November so, I'll have to find out the hard way.
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Posted By: Rosscoe
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 9:48pm
progeny test wrote:
Don't know which way to swing on this horse. I have a foal due in November so, I'll have to find out the hard way.
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I'm biased but I like him a lot!
Just hoping ours shows more improvement when he tackles preparation number two in about a month's time. (Aboutogobang) ...
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Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 10:24pm
I am surprised he is so high. I may have to rethink about him.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 11:50am
whitt0 wrote:
I am surprised he is so high. I may have to rethink about him. |
Don't worry you'll get in for a fair discount.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 8:10am
Not listed on Darley's stallion roster this year. Has he relocated?
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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 8:53am
Daraabah wrote:
Not listed on Darley's stallion roster this year. Has he relocated? |
Only covered 46 mares last year so probably moved on.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 2:06pm
Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:13pm
Just another Darley flop.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:28pm
Hopefully Qld
Just another flop ? He has had two g1 winners, more than most will get,and has around 3.3% SW to runners, not awesome but above the average
He sits 38 on sires list darleys top priced stallion sits on 37.
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Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:36pm
11 stakeswinners - not too shabby. Not too dissimilar to Street Boss yet they are still shuttling him no doubt as Street Cry is no longer.
However Domesday is another whose fee doubled on the back of something, something only to be brought back to reality within a couple of years. That in itself indicates "failure" as opposed to keeping the fee steady.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:48pm
Has done ok however Flight is correct.
They doubled his fee on the back of two Gp1 winners, the forgettable Dr Doom and Pressday, which came back to bite them.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:51pm
Not only did he have his fee rise on the back of good results but at the same time his mares were actively approved/disapproved by Darley mgmt who showed their ignorance by destroying his career from that foal crop on. I hold Domesday up as the best example I have seen in recent years of stud mismanagement.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:56pm
Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 6:13pm
Yes I must admit my flop comment was directed more at Darley management of him and others. I was knocked back one year when he was white hot. 2 years later they were offering free noms to another if you booked to Domesday. I am pretty much over Darley and have been for some time. They do not look after breeders interests! Denman was much the same story and now they have sacked Sepoy as far as their own mares are concerned.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 6:17pm
lulu wrote:
Yes I must admit my flop comment was directed more at Darley management of him and others.... I was knocked back one year when he was white hot. 2 years later they were offering free noms to another if you booked to Domesday. I am pretty much over Darley and have been for some time. They do not look after breeders interests! Denman was much the same story and now they have sacked Sepoy as far as their own mares are concerned. |
The highlighted text being pretty much what I said elsewhere. They're not on my shopping list this year.
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Posted By: spinninghill
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2016 at 10:47pm
Does anyone know where he's moving to?
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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2016 at 11:27am
Looks like the last cover he did was on the 20th December so it wouldn't appear so, but I guess that doesn't prove anything.
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Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2016 at 11:33am
OK I had the wrong horse - Domesday is sold to QLD.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2016 at 6:32pm
Nice win for Daysee Doom at Canterbury today. Now 2 for 2.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 01 May 2016 at 12:27pm
Another stakes winner at caufield yesterday and still no news of where he is going
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Posted By: Sharkie
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:53am
He has been purchased by Aquis Farm which is situated at Canungra on the Gold Coast and will stand for $8800
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:29pm
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:32pm
bradjm will be happy , I would hazard to guess.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:37pm
Reckon you're right Goldey.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:23pm
Oh yeah
8.8k for a stallion that has produced two g1 winners isn't bad when compared to the other stallions up here
Hre at 9.9k good value too
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:48pm
Wonder if they deal, certainly will consider Domesday for our mare .
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 10:25pm
Fair enough Goldey.
He is worth 4.5k tops.
You don't stand the Darley Roster and end up in Queensland if you are a success.
Two Group 1 winners reckon he may have been mated with many nice mares.
His winners to runners would not even be 60%.
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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 10:30pm
Reckon Brad will be all over that - waiting at the gate
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 11:20pm
Aurelius wrote:
Fair enough Goldey.
He is worth 4.5k tops.
You don't stand the Darley Roster and end up in Queensland if you are a success.
Two Group 1 winners reckon he may have been mated with many nice mares.
His winners to runners would not even be 60%. |
Haha
He is 35 on general sires list this season and 19 on 3yos he's had 5 SW this season (4. 3yos)
Find me a 4.5k stallion with figures like that
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 11:25pm
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 11:35pm
Just over 56% Sebring is just over 57% as an example and the stands for 77k
Have a look at the horses above him on sires table and see what they stand for.
As for mare quality he mainly received gelati and wasn't supported by darley, despite this he is still above horses like commands northern meteor star witness written tycoon medaglia Doro magnus etc etc on 3yo sires list
The closest stallion to him in qwld on general sires list is show a heart at 44 with 1 SW this season and most of his race in qld.
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:14am
bradjm wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
Fair enough Goldey.
He is worth 4.5k tops.
You don't stand the Darley Roster and end up in Queensland if you are a success.
Two Group 1 winners reckon he may have been mated with many nice mares.
His winners to runners would not even be 60%. |
Haha
He is 35 on general sires list this season and 19 on 3yos he's had 5 SW this season (4. 3yos)
Find me a 4.5k stallion with figures like that |
Street Boss was 8k last year.
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:16am
Oamaru Force very underated.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:26pm
Aurelius wrote:
bradjm wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
Fair enough Goldey.
He is worth 4.5k tops.
You don't stand the Darley Roster and end up in Queensland if you are a success.
Two Group 1 winners reckon he may have been mated with many nice mares.
His winners to runners would not even be 60%. |
Haha
He is 35 on general sires list this season and 19 on 3yos he's had 5 SW this season (4. 3yos)
Find me a 4.5k stallion with figures like that |
Street Boss was 8k last year. |
So he's not 4.5k he's below Domesday on general sires list, I know that's not fair as Street boss doesn't have as many on the ground.
So let's look at 3yos, yep below Domesday again and 1sw to domesdays 5 this season
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:27pm
Oh and he's 27.5k this year
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 29 May 2016 at 10:46pm
Brad,
The stats and circumstances show that Doomsday is exactly that!
But hey keep banging on about him if that makes you happy.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 6:46am
You say he's a 4.5k stallion the stats don't back that up.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 8:43am
Absolutely right Brad I love this stallion.
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Posted By: Mogwai
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 12:55pm
Daraabah and bradjm I also agree he should do well in QLD.
He is a beautiful stallion. A real black beauty with a white star on his forehead!
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 8:35pm
bradjm wrote:
You say he's a 4.5k stallion the stats don't back that up. |
Generally studs will knock off 3 or 4k off the price listed.
Therefore his listinv price should be about 7 - 8k.
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Posted By: Mogwai
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 8:51pm
Anyone sending their mares to Domesday this year? I am thinking of sending my Commands mare to him this year. Or Denman? Can't make up my mind.
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Posted By: Rosscoe
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 10:10pm
A value stallion Domesday!
Hopefully he'll still be a valued asset in Qld.
For those interested my former above average racehorse 'Aboutogobang' is about to be tested for another prep. I do not have any interest in the horse now but it will be interesting to see if he makes it back and can reproduce some of his previous solid form.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:48am
Is aurelius still around
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:51am
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:56am
bradjm wrote:
Is aurelius still around |
What happened did he get a Winner.
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:09am
Oh Ok Ruthven, Good Stuff.
He would be a great physical match for my mare however running at 59.2% Winners to Runners no way too much risk.
His problem at the moment is there is too much difference between his best and his worst.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:35am
Much like most stallions then.
I'm not on top of it these days but I think most of his better performers dams carry a male line of sir ivor
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:39am
My mare has Sir Ivor.
Maybe he can do a Written Tycoon and re-invent himself after being discarded as a commercial failure.
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Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:45am
The ones I've seen have been beautiful types but a bit mad.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:46am
He's good for Qld
His chances of becoming commercial were next to zero from the day he went to stud and stood for 5k, good breed to race option though.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:46am
anabel wrote:
The ones I've seen have been beautiful types but a bit mad. |
I've had two and they were the sweetest boys you'd ever deal with.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 11:13am
bradjm wrote:
anabel wrote:
The ones I've seen have been beautiful types but a bit mad. |
I've had two and they were the sweetest boys you'd ever deal with. |
You sound like a typical mother
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:02pm
bradjm wrote:
He's good for Qld
His chances of becoming commercial were next to zero from the day he went to stud and stood for 5k, good breed to race option though. |
He stood at Darley, had his chance, they certainly tried to push him when I spoke with them.
Red Ransom - Not so handsome. (Was his Anchor)
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 2:55pm
Boom , another good one.
Out of a mare who was 22 at the time of foaling.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 3:51pm
Saw him last week. Golly he looked fat and happy He keeps getting a winner .
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Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2017 at 8:34pm
Bradjm I sent my mare to him last year but unfortunately she missed at the end of the season after losing her LCA foal. She just wasn't interested so definitely not his fault. But I will be sending her back to him this year as he is on fire. He had a huge book of mares at Aquis last year as I think everyone in QLD saw the value. And then in the past two months his horses are winning group races again.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 12:01pm
He really is looking the goods this year.
I have a mare in foal to him (extremely late due date though) and two booked for this coming season. The problem is finding a mare that suits him - I have very little Danehill blood in my broodmare band.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 12:05pm
I just realised I might have implied he had trouble getting mares in foal in a timely manner, which is not so.
My mare was going to foal late in 2016 and indeed she foaled so late that she could not go to Holy Roman Emperor as intended, but I thought Domesday was worth sending her to, even though she was running so late. She will be given the coming year off to catch up with the season.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 3:11pm
I don't think you need danehill blood, sir ivor appears to have some impact.
Royal symphony interestingly is 3 X 5 the minstrel
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 3:50pm
Domesday, for interest, has had four SW out of Danehill line mares.
Arcadia Dream - Redoute's Choice Five To Midnight - Fastnet Rock Italy - Flying Spur Sunset Rock - Fastnet Rock
Two of his three G1 winners have been out of Sir Tristram line mares.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 8:43pm
3 of those 4 danehill line mares also carry sir ivor through sir tristram
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 8:45pm
And the other sir ivor through show lady
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 5:43pm
One of the two mares I am sending has Sir Ivor through Sovereign Red in the 2nd dam (Show A Heart - Sovereign Red). The other mare works better according to True Nicks (A++) and Goldmine (20/20) and in particular my gut re conformation and overall pedigree pattern. She is by Clang from a Just Awesome mare.
I thought the cross would be good but I was surprised at how good the computer programs thought it was. Against that her athletic good looks work well with Domesday. Only perceived problem might be the temperament; putting Domesday with a Clang mare. The mare herself has an obliging temperament so I hope that transfers to the foal.
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Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 8:39pm
This is exactly the reason I am sending my Commands mare to him. Danehill crosses work well with him.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 10:42pm
Is Domesday supposed to be bad tempered ? Or does that come from Clang ? Having seen both Domesday, and Clangalang, they both were very quiet and laid back , so wondering why temperament crops up for you, Mumtaz ?? Of course I am not deep into breeding and all the various foibles .
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 10:52pm
I'm not one for nicking because it only involves half of the mares pedigree
However danehill mares 11 starters 8 winners no stakes winners aei 1.07
Octagonal mares 16 starters 13 winners 2 SW aei 2.28
Commands 14 starters 9 winners 0 SW aei 0.64
That's what nicking throws up
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 10:57pm
True Nicks must be working off red ransom over bellotto to get an A++ rating
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 11:31pm
I wonder if he had been called something else if his fate would have been different at Darley and he may of got better mares???
I am not superstitious but sending my mare to Domesday!!
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 12:37pm
No I'm not trying to insult Domesday's temperament. I am thinking of Anabel's statement about his progeny being "a bit mad" and the fact that at last year's Open Day he had more energy and enthusiasm than the other stallions - so he could throw high energy foals.
With regards to Clang I always kept my ear open about him as I could never work out why he was so uncommercial given his progeny's racing statistics. One opposition stud master said it was because many were mad, and it was hard to keep the weight on them as they were always on the move. Since then I have heard trainers confirm this. My mare is easy to handle but she is the least lazy horse in her paddock - which is fine as the goal is to breed race horses not riding school hacks.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 12:54pm
Thanks for the insight Mumtaz . Interesting.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:29pm
ROYAL SYMPHONY (AUS) | Bay or brown colt 2014 | |
Domesday Brown 2002 | Red Ransom Bay 1987 | Roberto Bay 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Bramalea Bay or brown 1959 | Nashua Rarelea | 1952 1949 | 3-m 12-c | Arabia Bay 1977 | Damascus Bay 1964 | Sword Dancer Kerala | 1956 1958 | 1-o 8-h | Christmas Wind Bay 1967 | Nearctic Bally Free | 1954 1960 | 14-c 6-b | In the Past Bay 1997 | Zafonic Bay 1990 | Gone West Bay 1984 | Mr Prospector Secrettame | 1970 1978 | 13-c 2-f | Zaizafon Chestnut 1982 | The Minstrel Mofida | 1974 1974 | 8-f 9-e | Victoriana Bay 1987 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | Monroe Bay 1977 | Sir Ivor Best in Show | 1965 1965 | 8-g 8-f | Naturalist Brown 1992 | Palace Music Chestnut 1981 | The Minstrel Chestnut 1974 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fleur Bay 1964 | Victoria Park Flaming Page | 1957 1959 | 10-c 8-f | Come My Prince Grey 1972 | Prince John Chestnut 1953 | Princequillo Not Afraid | 1940 1948 | 1-b 14-f | Come Hither Look Grey 1962 | Turn-To Mumtaz | 1951 1954 | 1-w 13-b | Tessuti Bay 1987 | Sackford Bay 1980 | Stop the Music Bay 1970 | Hail to Reason Bebopper | 1958 1962 | 4-n 11-g | Bon Fille Chestnut 1962 | Ben Lomond En Casserole | 1954 1952 | 10-d 20> | Souba Bay 1970 | Taine Chestnut 1957 | Vandale Tauchere | 1943 1948 | 3-c 1-m | Serge de Nimes Bay 1960 | Arctic Prince Blue Denim | 1948 1940 | 10-c 16-c |
| Ancestor duplications: | Turn-To | 5m x 5f | | Hail to Reason | 4m x 5m | | Nearctic | 5f x 5m | | | | The Minstrel | 5f x 3m | | Northern Dancer | 5m x 4m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:30pm
DAYSEE DOOM (AUS) | Bay or brown filly 2012 | |
Domesday Brown 2002 | Red Ransom Bay 1987 | Roberto Bay 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Bramalea Bay or brown 1959 | Nashua Rarelea | 1952 1949 | 3-m 12-c | Arabia Bay 1977 | Damascus Bay 1964 | Sword Dancer Kerala | 1956 1958 | 1-o 8-h | Christmas Wind Bay 1967 | Nearctic Bally Free | 1954 1960 | 14-c 6-b | In the Past Bay 1997 | Zafonic Bay 1990 | Gone West Bay 1984 | Mr Prospector Secrettame | 1970 1978 | 13-c 2-f | Zaizafon Chestnut 1982 | The Minstrel Mofida | 1974 1974 | 8-f 9-e | Victoriana Bay 1987 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | Monroe Bay 1977 | Sir Ivor Best in Show | 1965 1965 | 8-g 8-f | See a Victory Bay 2004 | Mister C Brown 1983 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Pas de Nom Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage Petitioner | 1959 1952 | 4-n 7-a | Honey Deb Bay or brown 1967 | Herbager Bay 1956 | Vandale Flagette | 1943 1951 | 3-c 16-c | Smart Deb Bay 1960 | Dedicate Demree | 1952 1950 | 23-b 9-f | Danish Victory Bay 1999 | Vettori Bay 1992 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Coup de Folie | 1970 1982 | 13-c 2-d | Air Distingue Bay 1980 | Sir Ivor Euryanthe | 1965 1975 | 8-g 5-g | Eliza Dane Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Razyana | 1977 1981 | 7-a 2-d | Formal Invitation Bay 1979 | Be My Guest Promise Side | 1974 1974 | 8-c 25> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Nearctic | 5f x 5m | | Mr Prospector | 5m x 5m | | Northern Dancer | 5m x 4m | | | | Sir Ivor | 5f x 5f | | Danzig | x 3m,5m | | | | |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:30pm
TRAPEZE ARTIST (AUS) | Bay or brown colt 2014 | |
Snitzel Bay 2002 | Redoute's Choice Bay 1996 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Shantha's Choice Bay 1992 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Jesmond Lass | 1970 1975 | 7-a 14> | Dancing Show Bay 1983 | Nijinsky Show Lady | 1967 1976 | 8-f 8-f | Snippets' Lass Bay 1993 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Chestnut 1970 | Silly Season Great Occasion | 1962 1965 | 1-g 7-f | Easy Date Bay 1977 | Grand Chaudiere Scampering | 1968 1970 | 19-b 20-a | Snow Finch Bay 1984 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | A Realgirl Bay 1976 | In Reality Secret Verdict | 1964 1966 | 21-a 2-c | Treppes Brown 2007 | Domesday Brown 2002 | Red Ransom Bay 1987 | Roberto Bay 1969 | Hail to Reason Bramalea | 1958 1959 | 4-n 12-c | Arabia Bay 1977 | Damascus Christmas Wind | 1964 1967 | 8-h 6-b | In the Past Bay 1997 | Zafonic Bay 1990 | Gone West Zaizafon | 1984 1982 | 2-f 9-e | Victoriana Bay 1987 | Storm Bird Monroe | 1978 1977 | 4-j 8-f | Traipse Brown 1989 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Chestnut 1965 | Star Kingdom Magic Symbol | 1946 1956 | 1-g 2-o | Coogee Bay 1959 | Relic Last Judgement | 1945 1948 | 8-f 7-a | Elegant Walk Chestnut 1979 | Le Cordonnier Bay 1963 | Saint Crespin Selindra | 1956 1955 | 22-a 2-n | Fairy Walk Chestnut 1968 | Minor Portion Lilting | 1961 1960 | 3-i 2-r |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m,5m x | | Bletchingly | 5m x 3f | | Storm Bird | 4f x 5f |
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 8:42pm
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 8:58pm
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 9:47pm
As a broodmare sire in Aus he has 3 starters. 2 winners 1 stakes winner
Sitting at no.22
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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 9:57pm
58.3% W/R is very poor.
3.6% SW/R is ok.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 2:07am
Compare his stats to written Tycoon who stands for 10 times his service fee
Especially when it gets to group winners 2.4% vs domesdays 2.3%
Or Artie 1.8%
Maybe star witness 1.4%
So you think 0.9%
Magnus 1.7%
He compares favourably considering the service fees they have stood at.
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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 5:27am
bradjm wrote:
Compare his stats to written Tycoon who stands for 10 times his service fee
Especially when it gets to group winners 2.4% vs domesdays 2.3%
Or Artie 1.8%
Maybe star witness 1.4%
So you think 0.9%
Magnus 1.7%
He compares favourably considering the service fees they have stood at. |
Agree with that - maybe the low W/R % is due to the mares he received?
Either way - when they do get to the track & have ability they do well.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 7:47am
bradjm wrote:
As a broodmare sire in Aus he has 3 starters. 2 winners 1 stakes winner
Sitting at no.22 | \
Trapeze Artist is an example of the Snitzel-Red Ransom cross in Chance Bye, Arbeitsam, Payroll etc Domesday has great prospects as a broodmare sire IMHO.
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Posted By: Lopartega
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 10:30am
I think if Domesday served 20+ mares by Al Maher each breeding season he would become a top sire statistically. IMO this would become a very successful nick
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Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 12:49pm
Mare was serviced by Domesday last week. Now fingers crossed she gets a positive + sign. He is doing so well at the moment and I am hoping the run of winners continues.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 1:33pm
Best of luck Julie B.
I think Domesday is great value (given my very limited budget). I have a mare due to foal to him this year and I have 2 mares going to Aquis for cover by him next week. I could not be happier with his recent performance, not least as a broodmare sire. I have also found Aquis good to deal with.
There are so many stallions standing for so much more than cannot compete with his recent stats.
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Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 3:45pm
Mumtaz I completely agree with you. As a breeder who has to pay agistment costs, I am always on the look out for a commercial stallion in QLD at a reasonable price.
I went and saw Domesday and Benfica a few months after they had arrived at Aquis and I was impressed by both of these Darley selloffs (so to speak) I also agree that Aquis are great to deal with and so was Sun Stud for that matter. But Domesday has that wow factor about him when you see him in the flesh and he is also a proven sire of stakes winners. And VALUE FOR MONEY! That is the most important thing for me as I only have one mare and work 2 jobs just to keep her happy.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 6:48pm
I saw Domesday twice last year, on the Open Day and a later visit. He struck me as the most impressive stallion in carriage etc, but that could have included his maturity compared to the off the track baby stallions. Benfica has impressed me enough that I bought a mare in foal to him who should foal in the next week or so.
I had also intended to send a mare to Sweet Orange this year, but he is no longer available for stud duties. Aquis was incredibly good with alternative options, but as the mare crosses poorly with Benfica, is not particularly commercial and I am not going to over capitalise with her (and I have too many costs this year) she is going to Sun Stud to visit Jabali who I have a lifetime nomination deal for. I am sending several mares to him, and I have used Sun Stud/Eliza Park for a few years and they have also been good which was a major reason why I bought into Jabali. I also loved his physique and 2- 3 YO racing performance. But he is unproven and will be a lucky stallion if he performs as well as Domesday.
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