Domesday
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Topic: Domesday
Posted By: Run For Fun
Subject: Domesday
Date Posted: 03 May 2008 at 7:06pm
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Have we posted much on this fellow?
Now that he's with darley and coming down my way would appreciate any thoughts on his performances, pedigree, stallion potential etc. ------------- It's hard to soar with eagles... Cheers |
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Posted By: Apollo
Date Posted: 08 May 2008 at 4:31am
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Domesday was a nice 2yo, won his first two and was just about the run of the race in Stratum's Golden Slipper. Didn't win again but almost without exception was competitive in his races.
Descends tail female from Best In Show through Monroe, so there is a lot to like about his pedigree. However his dam In The Past is a 3/4 to Xaar, who has been very disappointing at stud here, and she has struggled to get another good horse, although Darley did pay $1.2m for her Redoute's Choice colt.
I personally like Red Ransom sons, but they are unproven so I guess we take our chances. With Domesday, Charge Forward, Face Value and Noble Red all at stud now he will get his chance to be a "sire of sires".
Domesday covered 83 mares in '06 for 61 live foals and only 48 mares last season (EI affected I presume). He has 4 weanlings on offer at Magic Millions and just the one in Melbourne. Stood both seasons for $11k and it will be interesting to see what he will stand for this season.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 1:16am
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Going very nicely and seems good value this year. I wonder if he's the next cheapie that goes on to be a superstar.
Already a Group 1 and Group 3 placegetter and two other stakes performers from his first crop, and from rather moderate mares served at Darley Cootamundra.
Nice style of horse and from a ripper family, I'm sending one to him and believe he is a great asset for Victoria.
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Posted By: Dahlia
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 1:25am
| I like Domesday, very impressed with him at last year's stallion parade. Smart move getting in, I hear he is booked out? |
Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 4:24pm
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He will be the next cheapie to go on to be a superstar.
He is this years value stallion
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Posted By: BAZZ
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 6:12pm
| i ilke domesday but i think this years value stallion is danzero. proven good sire and cheap compared to others with equivalent record |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 08 May 2010 at 7:09pm
More expensive than domesday and did he even have any 2yo stakes performers this season.
At this stage of his career i think domesday is out performing lonhro, early days though i know.
Oh and i am not saying danzero isnt extremely good value, just i dont think he's as good a value as domesday.
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BAZZ wrote:Posted By: Bottom Line
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 9:08pm
And are you like others told to send a mare to another stallion of theirs to get this service?
I will agree that he is an asset to Victoria. It remains to be seen if it's great or not though.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 May 2010 at 10:04pm
Nope, we booked a mare back in January and got a call back after the fees were released. We're not sending any others to their stallions this year, it was a very straight forward deal. |
Posted By: vontastic
Date Posted: 10 May 2010 at 1:52am
| if there is a negative with Domesday is he won't have many runners in next few seasons served only 48 mares in second season for 32 live foals followed by 71 in third year. Can't fault him at the moment has 6 city class horses from only 17 runners. Definately well priced this year. |
Posted By: progeny test
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2011 at 6:41am
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The $1500 weanling (Nextanix) comes 2nd in the listed Country cup, so now a blacktype horse. DOMESDAY is tracking just behind Encosta De Lago and Fastnet Rock on his stallion figures. And did it the hard way ! Congratulations to all those that had faith in him. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 7:03am
| My domesday colt is from the same family they both tail to anjudy through royal progeny so im hoping there are some big wins in store for nextanix :) |
Posted By: maxamill
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 2:40am
| funny you mention domesday and encosta in the same , i hear there is a encosta out of the same domes mum , now that may need some watching trained buy moody , |
Posted By: Heroic
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2014 at 5:18pm
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Australian stallions ranked by 2013/14 Stakes performed juveniles
Domesday has covered 499 mares in his four seasons at Northwood Park including 43 Darley mares, so he has tremendous numbers coming through and the mare quality has improved each year.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 12:17am
| Gai has a handy one in Mr boomsday |
Posted By: progeny test
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 9:16am
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Don't know which way to swing on this horse. I have a foal due in November so, I'll have to find out the hard way. |
Posted By: Rosscoe
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 9:48pm
I'm biased but I like him a lot! Just hoping ours shows more improvement when he tackles preparation number two in about a month's time. (Aboutogobang) ... ------------- Current Stable - Soul Star & Adivinar + Lady Vega |
Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2014 at 10:24pm
| I am surprised he is so high. I may have to rethink about him. |
Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 11:50am
Don't worry you'll get in for a fair discount. |
Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 8:10am
| Not listed on Darley's stallion roster this year. Has he relocated? |
Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 8:53am
Only covered 46 mares last year so probably moved on.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 2:06pm
| Anyone know where to? |
Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:13pm
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Just another Darley flop. ------------- You're either Einstein or Frankenstein in this game. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:28pm
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Hopefully Qld Just another flop ? He has had two g1 winners, more than most will get,and has around 3.3% SW to runners, not awesome but above the average He sits 38 on sires list darleys top priced stallion sits on 37. |
Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:36pm
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11 stakeswinners - not too shabby. Not too dissimilar to Street Boss yet they are still shuttling him no doubt as Street Cry is no longer. However Domesday is another whose fee doubled on the back of something, something only to be brought back to reality within a couple of years. That in itself indicates "failure" as opposed to keeping the fee steady. ------------- “The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence. ” ― V.C. King |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:48pm
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Has done ok however Flight is correct. They doubled his fee on the back of two Gp1 winners, the forgettable Dr Doom and Pressday, which came back to bite them.
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Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:51pm
| Not only did he have his fee rise on the back of good results but at the same time his mares were actively approved/disapproved by Darley mgmt who showed their ignorance by destroying his career from that foal crop on. I hold Domesday up as the best example I have seen in recent years of stud mismanagement. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 5:56pm
| Wow, didn't know that. |
Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 6:13pm
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Yes I must admit my flop comment was directed more at Darley management of him and others. I was knocked back one year when he was white hot. 2 years later they were offering free noms to another if you booked to Domesday. I am pretty much over Darley and have been for some time. They do not look after breeders interests! Denman was much the same story and now they have sacked Sepoy as far as their own mares are concerned. ------------- You're either Einstein or Frankenstein in this game. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2016 at 6:17pm
The highlighted text being pretty much what I said elsewhere. They're not on my shopping list this year. |
Posted By: spinninghill
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2016 at 10:47pm
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Does anyone know where he's moving to? ------------- www.adrenalinethoroughbreds.com.au |
Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2016 at 11:27am
| Looks like the last cover he did was on the 20th December so it wouldn't appear so, but I guess that doesn't prove anything. |
Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2016 at 11:33am
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OK I had the wrong horse - Domesday is sold to QLD. ------------- www.snowshoecats.webs.com |
Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2016 at 6:32pm
| Nice win for Daysee Doom at Canterbury today. Now 2 for 2. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 01 May 2016 at 12:27pm
| Another stakes winner at caufield yesterday and still no news of where he is going |
Posted By: Sharkie
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:53am
| He has been purchased by Aquis Farm which is situated at Canungra on the Gold Coast and will stand for $8800 |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:29pm
| Bit overpriced omo. |
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:32pm
| bradjm will be happy , I would hazard to guess. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 7:37pm
Reckon you're right Goldey. 
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 8:23pm
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Oh yeah 8.8k for a stallion that has produced two g1 winners isn't bad when compared to the other stallions up here Hre at 9.9k good value too |
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 9:48pm
| Wonder if they deal, certainly will consider Domesday for our mare . |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 10:25pm
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Fair enough Goldey. He is worth 4.5k tops. You don't stand the Darley Roster and end up in Queensland if you are a success. Two Group 1 winners reckon he may have been mated with many nice mares. His winners to runners would not even be 60%. |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 10:30pm
| Reckon Brad will be all over that - waiting at the gate |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 11:20pm
Haha He is 35 on general sires list this season and 19 on 3yos he's had 5 SW this season (4. 3yos) Find me a 4.5k stallion with figures like that |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 11:25pm
| Winners to runners? |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 27 May 2016 at 11:35pm
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Just over 56% Sebring is just over 57% as an example and the stands for 77k Have a look at the horses above him on sires table and see what they stand for. As for mare quality he mainly received gelati and wasn't supported by darley, despite this he is still above horses like commands northern meteor star witness written tycoon medaglia Doro magnus etc etc on 3yo sires list The closest stallion to him in qwld on general sires list is show a heart at 44 with 1 SW this season and most of his race in qld. |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:14am
Street Boss was 8k last year. |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:16am
| Oamaru Force very underated. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:26pm
So he's not 4.5k he's below Domesday on general sires list, I know that's not fair as Street boss doesn't have as many on the ground. So let's look at 3yos, yep below Domesday again and 1sw to domesdays 5 this season |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 28 May 2016 at 10:27pm
| Oh and he's 27.5k this year |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 29 May 2016 at 10:46pm
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Brad, The stats and circumstances show that Doomsday is exactly that! But hey keep banging on about him if that makes you happy. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 6:46am
| You say he's a 4.5k stallion the stats don't back that up. |
Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 30 May 2016 at 8:43am
Absolutely right Brad  I love this stallion.
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Posted By: Mogwai
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 12:55pm
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Daraabah and bradjm I also agree he should do well in QLD. He is a beautiful stallion. A real black beauty with a white star on his forehead!
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 8:35pm
Generally studs will knock off 3 or 4k off the price listed. Therefore his listinv price should be about 7 - 8k. |
Posted By: Mogwai
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 8:51pm
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Anyone sending their mares to Domesday this year? I am thinking of sending my Commands mare to him this year. Or Denman? Can't make up my mind.
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Posted By: Rosscoe
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 10:10pm
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A value stallion Domesday! Hopefully he'll still be a valued asset in Qld. For those interested my former above average racehorse 'Aboutogobang' is about to be tested for another prep. I do not have any interest in the horse now but it will be interesting to see if he makes it back and can reproduce some of his previous solid form. ------------- Current Stable - Soul Star & Adivinar + Lady Vega |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:48am
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Is aurelius still around
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Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:51am
| Right here Chief. |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:56am
What happened did he get a Winner. |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:09am
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Oh Ok Ruthven, Good Stuff. He would be a great physical match for my mare however running at 59.2% Winners to Runners no way too much risk. His problem at the moment is there is too much difference between his best and his worst. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:35am
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Much like most stallions then. I'm not on top of it these days but I think most of his better performers dams carry a male line of sir ivor |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:39am
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My mare has Sir Ivor. Maybe he can do a Written Tycoon and re-invent himself after being discarded as a commercial failure. |
Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:45am
| The ones I've seen have been beautiful types but a bit mad. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:46am
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He's good for Qld His chances of becoming commercial were next to zero from the day he went to stud and stood for 5k, good breed to race option though. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:46am
I've had two and they were the sweetest boys you'd ever deal with. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 11:13am
You sound like a typical mother  ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:02pm
He stood at Darley, had his chance, they certainly tried to push him when I spoke with them. Red Ransom - Not so handsome. (Was his Anchor) |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 2:55pm
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Boom , another good one. Out of a mare who was 22 at the time of foaling. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 3:51pm
Saw him last week. Golly he looked fat and happy  He keeps getting a winner . ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2017 at 8:34pm
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Bradjm I sent my mare to him last year but unfortunately she missed at the end of the season after losing her LCA foal. She just wasn't interested so definitely not his fault. But I will be sending her back to him this year as he is on fire. He had a huge book of mares at Aquis last year as I think everyone in QLD saw the value. And then in the past two months his horses are winning group races again. |
Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 12:01pm
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He really is looking the goods this year. I have a mare in foal to him (extremely late due date though) and two booked for this coming season. The problem is finding a mare that suits him - I have very little Danehill blood in my broodmare band.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 12:05pm
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I just realised I might have implied he had trouble getting mares in foal in a timely manner, which is not so. My mare was going to foal late in 2016 and indeed she foaled so late that she could not go to Holy Roman Emperor as intended, but I thought Domesday was worth sending her to, even though she was running so late. She will be given the coming year off to catch up with the season.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 3:11pm
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I don't think you need danehill blood, sir ivor appears to have some impact. Royal symphony interestingly is 3 X 5 the minstrel |
Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 3:50pm
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Domesday, for interest, has had four SW out of Danehill line mares. Arcadia Dream - Redoute's Choice Five To Midnight - Fastnet Rock Italy - Flying Spur Sunset Rock - Fastnet Rock Two of his three G1 winners have been out of Sir Tristram line mares.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 8:43pm
| 3 of those 4 danehill line mares also carry sir ivor through sir tristram |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 8:45pm
| And the other sir ivor through show lady |
Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 5:43pm
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One of the two mares I am sending has Sir Ivor through Sovereign Red in the 2nd dam (Show A Heart - Sovereign Red). The other mare works better according to True Nicks (A++) and Goldmine (20/20) and in particular my gut re conformation and overall pedigree pattern. She is by Clang from a Just Awesome mare. I thought the cross would be good but I was surprised at how good the computer programs thought it was. Against that her athletic good looks work well with Domesday. Only perceived problem might be the temperament; putting Domesday with a Clang mare. The mare herself has an obliging temperament so I hope that transfers to the foal.
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Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 8:39pm
| This is exactly the reason I am sending my Commands mare to him. Danehill crosses work well with him. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 10:42pm
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Is Domesday supposed to be bad tempered ? Or does that come from Clang ? Having seen both Domesday, and Clangalang, they both were very quiet and laid back , so wondering why temperament crops up for you, Mumtaz ?? Of course I am not deep into breeding and all the various foibles . ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 10:52pm
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I'm not one for nicking because it only involves half of the mares pedigree However danehill mares 11 starters 8 winners no stakes winners aei 1.07 Octagonal mares 16 starters 13 winners 2 SW aei 2.28 Commands 14 starters 9 winners 0 SW aei 0.64 That's what nicking throws up |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 10:57pm
| True Nicks must be working off red ransom over bellotto to get an A++ rating |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 11:31pm
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I wonder if he had been called something else if his fate would have been different at Darley and he may of got better mares??? I am not superstitious but sending my mare to Domesday!! |
Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 12:37pm
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No I'm not trying to insult Domesday's temperament. I am thinking of Anabel's statement about his progeny being "a bit mad" and the fact that at last year's Open Day he had more energy and enthusiasm than the other stallions - so he could throw high energy foals. With regards to Clang I always kept my ear open about him as I could never work out why he was so uncommercial given his progeny's racing statistics. One opposition stud master said it was because many were mad, and it was hard to keep the weight on them as they were always on the move. Since then I have heard trainers confirm this. My mare is easy to handle but she is the least lazy horse in her paddock - which is fine as the goal is to breed race horses not riding school hacks.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 12:54pm
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Thanks for the insight Mumtaz . Interesting. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:29pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:30pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:30pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 8:42pm
| On fire :) |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 8:58pm
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 9:47pm
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As a broodmare sire in Aus he has 3 starters. 2 winners 1 stakes winner Sitting at no.22 |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 9:57pm
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58.3% W/R is very poor. 3.6% SW/R is ok. |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 2:07am
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Compare his stats to written Tycoon who stands for 10 times his service fee Especially when it gets to group winners 2.4% vs domesdays 2.3% Or Artie 1.8% Maybe star witness 1.4% So you think 0.9% Magnus 1.7% He compares favourably considering the service fees they have stood at. |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 5:27am
Agree with that - maybe the low W/R % is due to the mares he received? Either way - when they do get to the track & have ability they do well. |
Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 7:47am
Trapeze Artist is an example of the Snitzel-Red Ransom cross in Chance Bye, Arbeitsam, Payroll etc Domesday has great prospects as a broodmare sire IMHO.
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Posted By: Lopartega
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 10:30am
| I think if Domesday served 20+ mares by Al Maher each breeding season he would become a top sire statistically. IMO this would become a very successful nick |
Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 12:49pm
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Mare was serviced by Domesday last week. Now fingers crossed she gets a positive + sign. He is doing so well at the moment and I am hoping the run of winners continues. |
Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 1:33pm
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Best of luck Julie B. I think Domesday is great value (given my very limited budget). I have a mare due to foal to him this year and I have 2 mares going to Aquis for cover by him next week. I could not be happier with his recent performance, not least as a broodmare sire. I have also found Aquis good to deal with. There are so many stallions standing for so much more than cannot compete with his recent stats.
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Posted By: Julie Bee
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 3:45pm
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Mumtaz I completely agree with you. As a breeder who has to pay agistment costs, I am always on the look out for a commercial stallion in QLD at a reasonable price. I went and saw Domesday and Benfica a few months after they had arrived at Aquis and I was impressed by both of these Darley selloffs (so to speak) I also agree that Aquis are great to deal with and so was Sun Stud for that matter. But Domesday has that wow factor about him when you see him in the flesh and he is also a proven sire of stakes winners. And VALUE FOR MONEY! That is the most important thing for me as I only have one mare and work 2 jobs just to keep her happy.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 6:48pm
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I saw Domesday twice last year, on the Open Day and a later visit. He struck me as the most impressive stallion in carriage etc, but that could have included his maturity compared to the off the track baby stallions. Benfica has impressed me enough that I bought a mare in foal to him who should foal in the next week or so. I had also intended to send a mare to Sweet Orange this year, but he is no longer available for stud duties. Aquis was incredibly good with alternative options, but as the mare crosses poorly with Benfica, is not particularly commercial and I am not going to over capitalise with her (and I have too many costs this year) she is going to Sun Stud to visit Jabali who I have a lifetime nomination deal for. I am sending several mares to him, and I have used Sun Stud/Eliza Park for a few years and they have also been good which was a major reason why I bought into Jabali. I also loved his physique and 2- 3 YO racing performance. But he is unproven and will be a lucky stallion if he performs as well as Domesday. |