Hinchinbrook
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Topic: Hinchinbrook
Posted By: kingston
Subject: Hinchinbrook
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 12:05pm
| To Yarraman Park - $16,500.00 incl GST. |
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Posted By: ianb
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 12:06pm
| haven't they been watching the sale results....way too high |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 1:08pm
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Yep plenty of proven stallions in that range, but he's not on his lonesome. However he's first season he'll have hype being a half to snitzel so buyers will probably go for his stock. Wonder what type if stallion you'd get in the us for that price ATM. |
Posted By: BAZZ
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 2:04pm
| yarraman bred the horse and will support him with some very good mares i assume, so i wouldnt be surprised to see him with some easter yearlings and selling well. |
Posted By: BJF
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 2:53pm
| Overpriced IMO he should of been somewhere around the $8K. He is the same price as Magic Albert who has sired 3 Gr 1 winners.... |
Posted By: Mr Bean
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 3:05pm
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To put this horse in perspective he won two races as a 2yo. In the Canonbury he defeated Corvidae, Run For Wilson and Manahara, in the Skyline he beat Brightexpectations and Pressday.
He was not capable of winning any race, not even a metro or listed race as a 3yo and then broke down.
Those mentioning his "champion" 1/2 brother Snitzel fail to mention that from two full crops Snitzel has yet to produce a Group 1 winner. In boom times this horse would be excy at $12,000. At $16,000 he is one of the most inappropriately priced stallions in the country. This is sheer Hunter Valley arrogance
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Posted By: kingston
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 3:37pm
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As far as 1st season sire sons of Fastnet Rock go, I'd prefer Rothesay to Hinchinbrook if they were the same price.
With Hinchinbrook standing a more than 35% higher fee than Rothesay, it's a no brainer.
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Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2011 at 11:30am
| Agree with bjf. I expected him to be in the $8-$10k range. Price set seems extremely high compared to proven and/or better performed stallions. |
Posted By: Sequi
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2011 at 1:10pm
| $16500 they are fair dinkum dreaming. Completely and totally the most overpriced stallion in Oz. |
Posted By: Rosscoe
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2011 at 4:39pm
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When they don't get the bookings they'll work it out!
------------- Current Stable - Soul Star & Adivinar + Lady Vega |
Posted By: reng
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2011 at 5:24pm
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Full Race Record for HINCHINBROOK (AUS) 2007 Bay colt
(in Australia)
------------- The problem with Opportunity is that it wears overalls and looks like work. |
Posted By: kingston
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 12:17am
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According to John Holloway's column in today's SMH, the shares in Hinchinbrook were $65,000 and were snapped up like hotcakes. Two serves in the first 3 years and one annually thereafter.
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Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 10:15am
What that says to me is that the breeders have at least a couple of decent mares and at $10k a pop they may have a good chance of getting something back before the progeny hit the track. They most probably are breeders who can no longer justify paying overs for service fees and feel that this is more cost effective.
Providing their mare is good enough and he stamps his progeny then they may be able to make a dollar or two.
As for the horse, I followed his career from the beginning and thought he could make a top class galloper but he never showed any flashes of brilliance and was a bit of a disappointment. Nice type but don't see him as "upgrade" material.
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kingston wrote:Posted By: ilalastud
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 10:30am
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Bloody steep price per share. If you work on the the horse being OK for the first three years, and thereafter, a possible dud, you are getting five services for $65,000 ( + GST?) putting the services at $13,000 each (+GST?). Probably safer to ask for a discount and not buy the share. |
Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 10:47am
I agree ilala but I can see how some people's thought processes may work in this instance. They are probably going broke paying $30-$50k for a poke and getting $30-$50k for their yearlings so the $13k looks a bargain by comparison. If they realise $30-$50k for these yearlings then at least they have a bit of a return. Until the market returns to "normal" or whatever they think is going to happen.......
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Posted By: troppo75
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 12:09pm
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Honestly though with such variety in stallions out there in the market who is going to race to buy a Hinchinbrook? As was mentioned recently to me All American is priced similarly and at least won a Gr1. ------------- Now having passed 1000 posts I feel you are all so much the wiser for my having said... stuff! |
Posted By: kingston
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 12:15pm
Slight correction to the arithmetic. 6 serves for $65,000 in the first 3 years, so around $11,000 each. Still, the point is a valid one.
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Posted By: Danewin
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 1:13pm
| Would he be one of those type of stallions that you were better off going into a foal-share arrangement with the stud? Especially considering his price, etc. |
Posted By: mouse
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 10:55pm
| gee ilala you seem to be down on all hunter valley studs at the moment |
Posted By: ilalastud
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 9:26am
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I'm not sure how you are getting that Mouse? I don't think there is much joy out there for breeders, but I don't think that is the fault of the studs. The stallions worth going to are in the Hunter. The market is shot at present. It will recover in time. I don't think I am alone in feeling that overall service fees are too high. But as breeders we've let that happen. The breeding industry has to change its outlook now that the avenue for profit from selling yearlings and mares is seriously restricted.
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Posted By: mouse
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 8:23pm
| didn't you start classic endevour at 16,500? |
Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 9:30pm
Well at least he was indestructable and won four at Gp 3 level. ------------- It's hard to soar with eagles... Cheers |
Posted By: shiner
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 10:39pm
which probably poses the question of" How much value do people put on G1 placings" ie is it better to win 4 GP3's or win 1 GP3 and place in GP1 races. ------------- Horse breeding is like religion, if you don't really believe in what you are doing it is purely social |
Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 2:04pm
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Of course there are Group 1's and there are Group 1's. A close 2nd at WFA behind Black Caviar or Whobegotyou would far outweigh something like a 3yo G3 at Morphetville.
Sometimes you need to look beyond the actual results and judge the ability.
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Posted By: Biggles
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 2:46pm
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Don't forget pedigree and type as well. ------------- Flying High |
Posted By: Ringlock
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2011 at 8:47pm
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Hinchinbrook looked absolutely fantastic at the Yarraman Park stallion parade. At $16,500 he's priced pretty realistically and will have a first class book of mares. Compare him to Star Witness at twice the price! Personally, I prefer Hinchinbrook's stablemate I Am Invincible, who was the standout stallion of the weekend for me, but I wouldn't question anyone who's made the decision to use Hinchinbrook. He'll do well. And the Mitchells have made the very strong point this year that not only do they believe they have priced their stallions attractively (Magic Albert & Trotamondo being the other two) but they are keeping 90% of their mares at home this year to support these four. |
Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 11:54am
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Agree he is too high, but it shows how tough racing can be and how important trouble free campaigns are. The desperation to get him to the Golden Rose gave him no favours. With some luck here and there he probably would have been a Group 1 winner. Wasn't far away in the Slipper and ran some good placings at G1 level.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 1:18pm
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It's just typical of the risk free stallion standing approach Get your money back in the first 3 years and then who gives a gelati if he produces the goods. |
Posted By: Ringlock
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2012 at 9:48am
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Yarraman Park have closed the book for Hinchinbrook (Fastnet Rock), with the Group Three winner capped at 120 mares. Hinchinbrook covered 119 mares last season, with his first foals due on the ground in the coming months. Another Yarraman Park-based stallion, Magic Albert (Zeditave), is also close to having a full book for the 2012 covering season. - from ANZ Bloodstock news |
Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2012 at 11:12am
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Just read that article. Its no real surprise given the boom on his sire and 3/4 brother (Snitzel). People would look at him as a lower cost alternative. Don't think he was up to either of these on ability though. By stallion standards his racetrack performances are just passable. Obviously he's getting every opportunity to be a success at stud. Only time will tell now.
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Posted By: Ringlock
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2015 at 7:10pm
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Interesting to look back on this thread after Press Statement wins the Caulfield Guineas and cements Hinchinbrook's place as a stallion! Does anyone still think $16,500 was too high a fee? His yearlings have sold well and now he has the racetrack performances to back that value. Will his fee go up next year? |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2015 at 12:00am
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Probably... and the naysayers would have a valid case to declare it as undeserved. Bloke's got a grand total of two stakes winners, off an already high base. Dollar is low, so the internationals will be buying... but where will the dollar be in two years? If it stays low, they'll increase (I would).
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Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2015 at 12:29am
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What did people think of Octagonal as a stallion when Lonhro came around soo early? |
Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2015 at 7:23am
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If you take press statement out the rest of his runners have learnt 180k this season Hard to judge a stallion so early but he has produced a g1 winner, although Domesday also produced one out of the same mare. 38 runners in total for 13 winners and 2 sw, not shabby but a long way to go before getting excited |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2015 at 11:58am
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2015 at 12:03pm
| ^^ Racing in the first at Sale today. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2015 at 12:17pm
Thanks Dizzy for the clarification  Need to be a mind reader to interpret some of djebels' posts  ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Nostradamus II
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2015 at 1:35pm
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Winner of the 4th race at Arawa Park (Rotorua) yesterday 1400m Maiden 3yo 1:25.22 Dead track. Love that Sir Tristram/Twig Moss on both sides. PURA SEDA (AUS) B. 1999 Wnr 1 win f:5 r:5 w:4 Intertwined B. 1992 Wnr 3 wins f:12 r:9 w:6 SW:1 Twining B. 1984 GW 6 wins f:9 r:6 w:6 Sunny Shine (2012) - G - 4-c
------------- https://sites.google.com/site/cosmosthoroughbredpedigrees/" rel="nofollow - https://sites.google.com/site/cosmosthoroughbredpedigrees/ |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2015 at 1:51pm
Sorry, ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Ringlock
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2015 at 8:03am
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http://breednet.com.au/news/117980/Gosford-Double-for-Hinchinbrook |
Posted By: Rosscoe
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 8:18am
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Stallions Fees 2016 Hinchinbrook - $38,500 (up from $16500) - 2015 .... ------------- Current Stable - Soul Star & Adivinar + Lady Vega |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 9:37am
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he certainly has performed well. it appears you have to be lucky and send when prices are down and just hope. ------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: niki
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 10:56am
Yes, it appears that this is the strategy one needs to adopt hmm  |
Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 12:50pm
True however works both ways. Those that went to Sepoy in his 2nd and 3rd years would be concerned and those that went to Pierro last season and that will this one will be crossing fingers! |
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 1:05pm
| 3rd year is a risk but. Choose wisely and it can be a bonanza. |
Posted By: whitt0
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 1:16pm
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I expected & would have been comfortable with a price rise as he deserves it. Just didnt expect it to be that high & believe it is too high.
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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2016 at 2:32pm
| I would of thought maybe 27500-33000 would of been fair, he has been doing a good job. If Press Statement actually went to Royal Ascot and won it could be fair enough. |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 11:32am
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Some stallions look great when first and second year sires however look a bit ordinary and have their work cut out when thrown in amongst the seasoned stallions. It is only early of course. 44th on the General Sires Table Hinchinbrook (by Fastnet Rock) 31 4 4 12.9% $137,295 |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 12:21pm
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He is good Aurelipus. Will definitely climb the ladder
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 2:34pm
| His female line wouldn't be called ,not current or under performing . |
Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 11:12pm
Derryn ran well on the weekend. Surprised the name hung around for so long.  ------------- “The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence. ” ― V.C. King |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 11:19pm
| I think Hinchenbrook might struggle to survive as a long term stallion. |
Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 8:58pm
Just saw that he died after breaking a hind leg  RIP fella |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 9:01pm
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Hinchinbrook Dead Tara Madgwick - Monday July 16 At
the height of his powers and with a full book of mares to cover this spring,
Yarraman Park's Hinchinbrook has died tragically today as the result of a
broken hind leg. Hinchinbrook "We are devastated as you can imagine," said Harry Mitchell. "He's been a special horse for us and we believed in him from the start. He wasn't an easy horse to get going as he was not the most fertile, but he kept proving himself and getting that good horse. "It just breaks your heart, but it's something that happens. It happened to Northern Meteor and it happened to Scat Daddy, as sad as it is, you just have to regroup and move on." A three-quarter brother to champion sire Snitzel, Hinchinbrook was a top class two year-old that trained on at three to numerous Group I placings and retired at a fee of $16,500. By champion sire Fastnet Rock, he was the Champion First Season Sire of 2014/2015 defeating Beneteau and Star Witness and his first crop included outstanding colt Press Statement, a dual Group I winner of over $1million in prizemoney. Hinchinbrook enjoyed a steady rise to sustained commercial success and was fully booked for this spring at a fee of $55,000 after covering books of 148 and 129 mares in his past two seasons at fees of $38,500 and $44,000. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 9:16pm
| Sad news indeed. |
Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 2:14am
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That's a big loss. very sad news. ------------- www.snowshoecats.webs.com |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 2:05pm
Yarraman Park Stud's Hinchinbrook dies following exercise accidentSon of Fastnet Rock broke a leg on a walker at Hunter Valley farmYarraman Park Stud has been dealt a huge blow on the eve of the new southern hemisphere breeding season with the sudden and freak death of their top-class stallion Hinchinbrook. The son of Fastnet Rock would have been entering his eighth year at stud but died after suffering a broken hind leg while on the walking machine at the Hunter Valley farm on Monday. “We are devastated as you can imagine,” Yarraman Park Stud principal Harry Mitchell said. “He’s been a special horse for us and we believed in him from the start. He wasn’t an easy horse to get going as he was not the most fertile, but he kept proving himself and getting that good horse. “It just breaks your heart, but it’s something that happens. “It happened to Northern Meteor and it happened to Scat Daddy. As sad as it is, you have to regroup and move on.” https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/yarraman-park-stud-s-hinchinbrook-dies-following-exercise-accident/339191" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/yarraman-park-stud-s-hinchinbrook-dies-following-exercise-accident/339191 ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 2:41pm
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How the hell does that happen ?? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 2:47pm
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Unbelievable. For $8-10m in revenue, you'd reckon they could find someone to walk him around for a bit.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 3:08pm
They were walking Danehill around for a bit, letting him have a pick, when he pulled/reared/fell,,,whatever he did,,and died as a result of that. Unless you are there to actually see it with your own eyes, you are always thinking "how the hell did that happen " ?? Or at least, I am. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 4:04pm
Either way, it's incredibly sad for all involved - not least the owners of the 150-odd mares he was due to serve.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 2:57pm
Has an Oaks prospect.
------------- reductio ad absurdum |