Expensive Flops
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Topic: Expensive Flops
Posted By: Morgan Dollar
Subject: Expensive Flops
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:08pm
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Just doing for for tomorrows races (yeah busy day at work) and i came accross a horse called GRAVITAS in the 4th at Seymour, had a look through this 5yo Geldings form and he is a maiden after 16 unflattering starts and has even managed a FF in a trial... Has been tried over the hurdles and has a poor rating of 46... then i noticed he was purchased for a cool $1.5 mill back in 2007 at an Inglis sale... It just got me thinking of very expensive 'flops' in this unpredictable game that is horse racing!
Another that comes to mind is the regally bred DEJAVU ROCK who was bought for a lazy $3.3 million and has managed just the one win on a Sunday at Orange and at her most recent start ran a 62.6L last at Bairnsdale...
SHOOT THROUGH who is the younger brother of Alinghi, amassed $2.2 million in the ring and only just broke his maiden duck at a midweek Doomben meet to take his 11 start earnings to $15,375, so just shy of his price tag!
One more i can think of whos running at Gawler today is BAKARJE DIVA an half sister to Makybe and a full sister to Musket, bought for $1.8 million and is still a maiden (but shows promise) after 5 runs..
The ones mentioned above are all current runners and may come good but are still a fair way of justifying their prices!! They may come good however... (just to cover myself if they turn into stars
 )What other expensive under achieving horses can you think of past and present..? and have you ever had the pleasure and spare change to have a share in any...?
------------- Go The Dollar..! |
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Posted By: TOLEDO
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:10pm
| Mount Olympus, now with darren smith at Newcastle |
Posted By: Morgan Dollar
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:13pm
Good one, in my blackbook as well for some reason  ------------- Go The Dollar..! |
TOLEDO wrote:Posted By: Wortel
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:17pm
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Perfect Persausion.
Barwaardi
Lighthorseman
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Posted By: TOLEDO
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:23pm
| Wasn't Metallurgical expensive as well? |
Posted By: Morgan Dollar
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:27pm
yeah over a million, then had to be gelded.. was gonna put him in but he did put me a few hundred in front melb cup day so thought id go easy on him  ------------- Go The Dollar..! |
Posted By: Raoul Duke
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:32pm
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Good thread.
Lonhroson (5yo g, Lonhro x Palme D'or) sold for a million bucks and hasn't placed in any of his 8 starts. Won $1,780.
------------- "He is a savage horse. Absolutely savage." |
Posted By: antlowes
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:35pm
| have a look at a horse named the green monkey from the us - biggest flop ever |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:35pm
| Sun Ruler, cost $2mil and has won $18,000 back... |
Posted By: Morgan Dollar
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:38pm
$16 Million!!!
 thats crazy, but then again thats only the price of one of Cristiano Ronaldos legs Thanks Raoul as well ------------- Go The Dollar..! |
Posted By: Glenmore
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:46pm
| Recall that the Green Monkey was the centre of a bidding dual between Godolphin and Coolmore with both sides too proud (and stupid) to pull out and let the other 'win'--by the time common sense arrived on the scene a lot of damage had been done. He had supposedly breezed up in some sensational time prior to the sale--bet the vendors are still having a good laugh. |
Posted By: antlowes
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:51pm
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Was retired after 3 winless starts - stood somewhere for $5k - only needs to serve 3200 mares to get the $16m back - bet he's keen to give it a crack though :) |
Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 2:52pm
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The story of Snaafi Dancer is just as funny. Bought by Sheikh Mohammed when he was just starting out, he wanted a foundation sire for his American stud so he bought Snaafi Dancer (a son of Northern Dancer) for $10m.
Apparently, he was such a bad racehorse that they retired him to stud without ever racing. Then he had fertility problems, siring four foals in two years! Sheikh Mohammed still did alright though...
Of all the $1m+ yearlings sold in Australia, the only one to recoup their purchase price on the racetrack is Samantha Miss. ------------- http://http://www.scmp.com/author/andrew-hawkins" rel="nofollow - The Griffin |
Posted By: Morgan Dollar
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 3:17pm
Is that actuall fact..? ------------- Go The Dollar..! |
Posted By: Znatchy
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 3:22pm
| Without any facts or stats, it seems that anything Simon O'Donnell or Shane Crawford buy turn out to be slow horses. Save Bauer's lip second in the MC I suppose. |
Posted By: BLU44
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 3:43pm
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I have a vague recollection of a horse named Paint the Stars, purchased as a yearling for over $800k. It was owned by Robert Holmes a'Court,and I was surprised to find on checking that its failure at the track was in the early '80s (confirms my advanced age!), which I reckon makes it the Prince of Flops, given subsequent inflation.
PtS was apparently a bit more successful in the breeding barn |
Posted By: fritta101
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 3:52pm
| Wasn't Equivocal, one of hayes sprinters from a cpl of years ago an expensive young horse that failed to flatter also??? |
Posted By: Campaspe
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:23pm
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Colombia.
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Posted By: Marky
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:24pm
| Rockstardom. Absolute lemon. |
Posted By: Znatchy
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:27pm
| Musket. Sold for $2.5 mill and I don't think he won a Group Race. Might have snuck one in but generally raced below expectations. Not sure what his stallion fee is. |
Posted By: Wortel
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:33pm
For sure it is.
Horses like Manhattan Rain and Haradasun never went through the sales.
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Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:34pm
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Musket won a G2 in Sydney but was never good enough to take the next step so i'd say he was a flop. |
Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:38pm
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Was seventh reason the 2 mil hors at Gais?
The stable also had RacingToWin's brother. forgot the name
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Posted By: Wortel
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:40pm
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Yeah but something like Seventh Reason will get that back if he performs at stud.
Great pedigree and should have every chance. |
Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 4:53pm
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yes thats true, also singo has plenty of mares for him.
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Posted By: DiamondsAtDusk
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 5:19pm
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What about horses like Largo Lad & Von Costa De Hero? perhaps not huge purchase prices but certainly sold for a pretty penny only to do nothing there on in, what was the eurell horse that was transfered to Hayes?
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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 5:21pm
| I was going to mention Von Costa De Hero, but he won $1.15 mil and cost $2 mil, so he wasn't a disaster as others mentioned have been, and he'll be well out in front after a few stud seasons... |
Posted By: Run For Fun
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 5:23pm
Sham sale to some extent.
Trialled at Albury of all places the other day: 2nd of 4. Has either been sold (still listed under initial ownership) or down there with Cavanagh for re-education.
Would have to improve out of sight to attract decent mares other than Singo's.
------------- It's hard to soar with eagles... Cheers |
Posted By: DiamondsAtDusk
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 5:27pm
Shrewd Rhythm i think it was! ------------- We Started Nothing. |
Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 5:27pm
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Posted By: troppo75
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 5:52pm
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In February, 2004, Lago Delight was sold for a seven figure sum to a syndicate headed by David Hayes and joined the stable of Lindsay Park The entire had only one run for the Hayes’ syndicate, finishing ninth in the 2004 Group 1 Australia Stakes (1200m, Moonee Valley) before injuries ended his career. Marconi bought the horse back off the syndicate and sent him to stand at Bombora Downs, on the Mornington Peninsula. ------------- Now having passed 1000 posts I feel you are all so much the wiser for my having said... stuff! |
Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 6:16pm
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Noticed 8yr old gelding Goldtown (Sunday Silence - Bright Finish) will be at Ascot on Saturday.
$1.5m yearling and has current earnings of $280k. Hasn't won since July 09.
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Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 6:29pm
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One old-time expensive flop came to mind recently. In the fifties there was a colt by the Epsom Derby winner Pinza from an imported mare named Method which topped the Easter Yearling Sale setting a new record I think. He was bought by Frank Packer. Anyway, named Matinee Idol he was of little account but did stand at stud north of Tamworth & sired a few handy horses for Packer in the late 60s or so, but nothing approaching stakes class. One of his minor winners (in WA) was the mare Pak Bun Bay, the third dam of So You Think. |
Posted By: questions
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 6:59pm
this was crazy, it was a ready to run sale and they had clocked the horse running less than 10 seconds for 200m. he went back to stand at stud at the farm that sold him in the first place. so they sold him for $16million and got him back for nothing i remember reading once about mr prospectors brother being sold for a mint and not winning a maiden ------------- "it's not gambling if you're absolutely sure you're gonna win" Barney Stinson |
Posted By: heavygoing
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 7:41pm
But for a half head, he would have just about won his purchase price back in a single race. And not too long after he was bought.
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Posted By: heavygoing
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:21pm
| Actually that turned out to be a very expensive half stride for the owners... 2 mio yearling Golden Slipper winner vs.....Group winning, G1 placing horse..... |
Posted By: kingston
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:24pm
You're thinking of Nodoubt Deja by Redoute's Choice ex Deja Slew.
Races or raced in South Africa.
Dejavu Rock didn't go through a sale as a yearling.
Sold at a tried horse sale for $20,000 mid year.
6 starts, 2 wins and3 placings, albeit in the country.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:25pm
thats the one i was thinking of too,,,,we must be the same vintage ! dont think he did very well in the breeding barn either !!! ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Shakamaker
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:27pm
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Early 80's Paint The Stars (Luskin Star x Visit) went for a then record $750,000 from memory, and it was probably Lloyd Willams that bought him.
Biggest flop of the era, can't recall his career record though.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:29pm
ran in a kalgoorlie cup and couldnt win it either. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:32pm
it was robert holmes a court bought him,,,,,big flop,,,on the track and off it . ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Shakamaker
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:33pm
| ahhhh that's it, old Bob, thanks acacia |
Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:34pm
Someone mentioned it before you on the front page Shaka - read it all first  ------------- http://http://www.scmp.com/author/andrew-hawkins" rel="nofollow - The Griffin |
Posted By: Shakamaker
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:36pm
I need a drink mate, I read from troppo's post at top of page 2 thinking it was the original post 
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Posted By: kingoath
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:38pm
Libertarian is another that comes to mind. Sold for $2m, struggled at the Sydney midweeks and lightening my wallet along the way  Now struggling up in Queensland.
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Posted By: Shakamaker
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:39pm
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$1500 for Takeover Target should top the list.
Massive flop imo
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Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:42pm
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I think we need a like button ala Facebook on here. First post I'd like is the one above - too true, he's top of the list by panels! Hahahaha....
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Posted By: Grinnersawinner
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:46pm
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Zyzxx - Have a feeling he was the top priced lot at a yearling sale. Has only won the 4 races for $151330 in prizemoney. ------------- Still Grinning |
Posted By: scoot
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:50pm
| murpheys blu boy. 50% sold to some poor buggers for $1mill or something, got injured and never raced again. |
Posted By: jayzaa
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 8:53pm
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I thought it was Holmes acourt ?? ------------- www.keffelstein.com gotta live the dream |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 9:00pm
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dont lets forget the high priced stallions that have gone to the barn and are shooting blanks !! be a bit sad for the studs that paid a motza for these stallions,,,,only to get zero fertility. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: kingoath
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 9:10pm
Coubertin could be one of those 
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Posted By: Shakamaker
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 9:19pm
Isn't there insurance for this?
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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 9:25pm
Then we paid 50k for him at tried sale had 6 starts for nothing and fractured a sesamoid . Hard to improve one off moloney ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Tashi2
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 9:55pm
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Wasnt Mike Willesee (the tv presenter) involved in the Paint the Stars debacle?
------------- "A horse gallops with his lungs, Perseveres with his heart, And wins with his character." |
Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 10:55pm
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Here's the list of horses that have been sold for over $2m between 2006 and 2010: Nodoubt Deja - no info Sakib - 2 starts for 1 win at Scone and a third at Wyong Saperavi - 4 starts for a win at Ashburton and a third in a Listed race at Ashburton (NZ) Allied Force - 15 starts for 3 wins at Bendigo and Moonee Valley (x2), 4 minor placings Perfect Persuasion - 10 starts for a win at Kyneton and a third in the Talindert Stakes Bint El Noor - unraced Master of Design - 9 starts for 4 wins at Seymour, Ballarat, Moonee Valley and Belmont, 3 minor placings, now racing in Perth Mount Olympus - 5 starts for 1 win at Newcastle, 1 second, now gelded Time Thief - 7 starts for 2 wins, one at MV, one in the Zeditave Stakes at Caulfield, 4 minor placings including 2nd in the Caulfield Guineas, 2nd in the Guineas Prelude, 2nd in the Danehill Stakes, 3rd in the Australia Stakes, sent to Dubai for Godolphin but did not race, now retired to stud Libertarian - 21 starts for 3 wins at Kembla Grange, Warwick Farm and Ipswich, 6 minor placings, now gelded and racing out of the Gold Coast El Cairo - 20 starts for 1 win at Hawkesbury, 4 minor placings, now gelded Seventh Reason - 13 starts for 2 wins at Kembla and Canterbury, 3 minor placings, trialled at Albury two weeks ago so may be based down there now? Sun Ruler - 12 starts for 2 wins at Avondale and Te Rapa, 4 minor placings Movin' Out - 8 starts for 1 win at Newcastle, 2 minor placings Estee - 23 starts for 3 wins at Sandown, Caulfield and in the Adelaide Guineas at Morphettville, 5 placings including the Australasian Oaks and the Wakeful Stakes L'heritier - 6 starts for 1 placing, now racing in Macau Killy - unraced Metallurgical - 11 starts for 1 win at Eagle Farm, 4 placings, now gelded Shoot Through - 12 starts for 1 win at Doomben, 1 placing, now gelded Leicester Square - 9 starts for 3 wins at Scone and Muswellbrook (x2), 1 placing, now gelded Royal Battalion - unraced Very, very interesting indeed... ------------- http://http://www.scmp.com/author/andrew-hawkins" rel="nofollow - The Griffin |
Posted By: Marky
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 11:05pm
| Thanks Tony, stupid topic IMO. You can't expect to get a horse that can run with every purchase. Racing would not exist. If you can spend $2m then you are not hard up. |
Posted By: jayzaa
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 11:06pm
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Gee Andy, the mind boggles, goes to show so many of these horses are grossly overpriced ------------- www.keffelstein.com gotta live the dream |
Posted By: M.D.3
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 11:18pm
| Just goes to show you can't buy - Heart and Talent. |
Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 11:34pm
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Nodoubt Deja. 5 starts 1 win 1 second 1 third. Last start Aug 2009 |
Posted By: well_rated
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2010 at 11:44pm
| Octy's brother sold for a record at the time, Lee Freedman had it, couldn't beat the pony home in jump outs, went to stud without a start, i think stands for very little now. |
Posted By: Morgan Dollar
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 7:18am
Nice work on the stats - thanks
very interesting read thats for sure.. ------------- Go The Dollar..! |
Posted By: fritta101
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 8:14am
| Allied Force wa the one of hayes that I was thinking of, not Equivocal, Thanks Andy |
Posted By: mowie
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 8:25am
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would of thought The Comedian is a epic failure atm.... won just over 60k an went for a mint,
an is a Gelding ouch!! ------------- chris Armstrong waller, *drugs are bad mkay |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 8:31am
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Watsons Bay A 1.2 mill (fr memory)Royal academy Gelding won $128k most of his 14 wins have been in kalgoorlie ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 8:32am
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interesting list Andy.
They are all failures, I guess only Time Thief got decent black type and can recoup his initial cost.
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Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 8:40am
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What do you guys think of Rockstardom? colt by Gallilleo / Makybe Diva with Danny O'Brien.
He might get a 2000m race against his 3yo peers, but once he is 4 he has to race to at least a mile and a half to get going, but thats where the big money is nowadays.
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Posted By: Coat Puller
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 9:17am
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What was the one Bart had in the mid to late eighties.
Fortunato or something similar. Think it cost 1.5 mill. A record at the time and not that long after Paint The Stars.
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Posted By: lotto7
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 9:21am
| In my opinion one of the biggest flops would have to be Pillar Of Hercules (Dean Watt Dynamic Syndications) as a tried horse for $1.6m or $1.7m, doing buggar on the track after his purchase and then being sold at auction for less than $50k. (Hope he does well at stud for his new owners). You hear about the success of the big syndicators but they make some huge mistakes as well. What really irked me was Dynamic flogging off a relation to Pillar Of Hercules and boasting about his $1.6m price tag although they had already sold him for less than $50k! And this is allowed by the authorities. Lost any and all creditability after this stunt and makes it hard for the good syndicators. |
Posted By: Wortel
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 12:15pm
If mug punting is backing a favourite is buying a sales topper mug ownership? 
Surely everybody knows by now that you're more likely to get the next big thing for under $100k than over $1mill?
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Posted By: Campaspe
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 12:25pm
| What about Changingoftheguard? Purchased by Hayes from Aiden O'Brien, scratched from the Melbourne Cup on race morning (I think?), one run in the Autumn runs second-last, then they decide to geld him and he dies during the op. Ouch. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 12:30pm
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The op probably saved them a fortune. I'm assuming he was insured for the sum paid. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Shakamaker
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 12:36pm
| Andy, can you find out the purchase prices for all Group 1' winners this year, or at least the Spring carnival? |
Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 12:40pm
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Would like to see the stats.
I think the topliners are the ones in the 100K to 250K bracket
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Posted By: Parky
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 1:27pm
| very interesting stuff |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 1:29pm
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Andy's list pretty much goes to show the chance of winning back anywhere near your purchase price on these expensive yearlings.
I don't think horses such as GOLDTOWN, VON COSTA DE HERO and WATSON'S BAY should be referred to as flops, more so very stupid prices paid for them by people with obviously too much money.
Goldtown was showing promise early on in Sydney, as did Watson's Bay in Melbourne. And I think alot of owners woud love to have horses win as much.
Waterhouse had one called GERONIMO (1 Million purhcase), which was subsequently purchased (for about 10k) by one of Eric Musgroves clients after a few starts in sydney. Was chatting to the 'new' owner who told me she'd got a real bargain. Not really, it was so slow, Musgrove wouldn't even let it race in his name and never won a cent in prizemoney for the new owner.
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Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 4:38pm
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Probably too early yet, but Mutamayez?
Looks like he walked out of Gais stable and joined Coyle
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Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 5:03pm
Yeah I will, I'll do spring carnival first and work back. Black Caviar - $210k Wall Street - $100k Brazilian Pulse - $26k Americain - $225k (not as a yearling obviously) Sacred Choice - $40k Lion Tamer - not sold Star Witness - $150k So You Think - $110k Descarado - withdrawn from yearling sale, sold to Gai through private sale Yosei - passed in at $14.5k, reserve $15k Anacheeva - $110k More Joyous - not sold Zipping - $190k Herculian Prince - not sold Captain Sonador - $30k Secret Admirer - passed in at $38k, reserve $40k Erewhon - not sold Hay List - not sold? Response - $50k Any I've forgotten? ------------- http://http://www.scmp.com/author/andrew-hawkins" rel="nofollow - The Griffin |
Posted By: watarush
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 5:13pm
| dont really get too much in to the purchasing side of horses etc but one that comes to mind would be pillar of hercules. massive court room battles and bidding and so much hype. what did he end up going for? 1.8 mil was it? whats he won in stakes. absolute dud |
Posted By: Fairest One
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 5:16pm
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Cheers Andy interesting. ------------- Cmon Apparitions!!! |
Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 5:24pm
Mentioned by lotto7 about 10 posts up. ------------- http://http://www.scmp.com/author/andrew-hawkins" rel="nofollow - The Griffin |
Posted By: Shakamaker
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2010 at 5:28pm
| Thanks Andy |
Posted By: Skipper
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 8:05am
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Not sure if he actually went through a sale or not but I remember a very close relation (if not a full brother) to Kingston Town racing in the early-mid 80's..No doubt would have commanded a huge premium but was an abysmal flop and an absolute nutter into the bargain..I remember being at Canterbury one day where he started fav (again), was leading to the furlong, then proceeded to jump the rail, eventually crashing through it..Not sure if he ever raced again after that display
John H may be able to help with the name...Think it was 'Private' something or other.
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Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 8:38am
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Well there was Private Thoughts, a full brother to Kingston Town, couldn't call him a flop though, he won two black type races (although compared to the price, he may have been a flop). ------------- http://http://www.scmp.com/author/andrew-hawkins" rel="nofollow - The Griffin |
Posted By: Rockinconi
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 8:45am
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Horse called Prague sold for $1.2 million about 6 years ago and had a couple of runs for Hayes before being re- sold through a mixed sale for about $6000.
Has had 34 starts for 2 minor placings and $7945 in prizemoney.
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Posted By: kingoath
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 8:09pm
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Grand Jardin may have turned the corner this prep with his new trainer over in Perth. His run just now was a cracker.
------------- Kingoath's Stable - Zadon, Spalato, Able Friend, Signoff |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 8:09pm
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Are the 2 Sydney 2yo winners today considered cheapies ?
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Posted By: Apprentice Punter
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 8:45pm
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The Herald Sun did a table the other week about AFL draft position and average games played. I'd be interested to see the average prizemoney stats for horses purchased for under $10k, $10-$30K, $30k-$50k and so on. ------------- I'm a hack punter with a blog. Feel free to read it and rip on me/ give me advice/feedback/and or abuse |
Posted By: The Insider
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2010 at 8:44am
Bet the boys from Coolmore, Arrowfield, Vinery & co do not stick this list up in their barn at the sales. The high prices are and have always been total rorts and stitch ups of wealthy owners. Take a wealthy new owner, a high profile trainer and high profile stud and you get a great sale. It would be interesting to see how many of the sale toppers were purchased by rich newbies
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Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:16pm
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Race 6 at Broadmeadow on Saturday.
Expensive field fighting out for $9100 in prizemoney
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Posted By: andynr123
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2010 at 12:30pm
Oh wow, hell yeah.6-03.55 EYRES SAFETY OPTICS CLASS 2 HANDICAP (1400 METRES)Of $14000. 1st $9100, 2nd $2800, 3rd $1400, 4th $700.Starter Subsidy: $200 for non-prize earning runners.CLASS 2.BOBS Bonus available: $5,000Field Limit: 17 + 4 EM
Mount Olympus - $3m El Cairo - $2m (although sold earlier this year for $28000) And Choral probably would have gone for a high price too. ------------- http://http://www.scmp.com/author/andrew-hawkins" rel="nofollow - The Griffin |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2016 at 3:02pm
Goldtown went around in the OTT show jumping event at Equitana on the weekend. May have finally found his calling.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 12:40pm
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I saw in a previous link Gay posted that he had gone jumping. He competed at the jockey,s challenge jumping , and did OK. I forget who rode him then, but he was in the hands of a decent jumps person, so hope he has found his niche. How did he go at Equitana ?? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Apache101
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 12:56pm
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Would love to see an update on horses even fetching over $500K at sales. Especially as we are only six or so weeks from MM. The prices were ridiculous the last couple of years and you have to shake your head wondering how these owners ever hope to recoup the investment. |
Posted By: Beliskner
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 2:11pm
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There would be plenty, just look through colts, especially in years when there were hyped up 1st and 2nd year stallions who ended up being flops. Still there would be plenty of Fastnet and Redoutes flops, plenty. |
Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 2:21pm
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I have the data for this years MM if anyones wants to see it? |
Posted By: Manny G
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 8:28am
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Conformist ------------- Keep serving up the overs please |
Posted By: Hazyview
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 10:55am
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You have to remember that the sample size of horses who make 500k+ is way way smaller than the sample size of horses which make 100-200k. Overall they do well in terms of stakes percentages. An interesting one would be to look at the 500k+ horses who don't necessarily have the hollywood pedigrees - these are generally the superb physicals and I suggest they would have a very good record.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 11:13am
He is with Rachelle Lovett ( who knows her stuff ), who says he has found his calling. There is a nice vid clip on the Equitana FB about the OTTTBs jumping at equitana. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 12:24pm
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One G1 winner from 38 'Million Dollar Babies' sold at Inglis Easter between 2012-2016. ** Data from ASB.
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