Anthony Cummings!
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Topic: Anthony Cummings!
Posted By: Hot2Trot
Subject: Anthony Cummings!
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 3:51am
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Is Anthony on fire or what! I just have the feeling he is a trainer to follow in the big races at the moment. I wouldn't have said it at any time over the last 10+ years. He's never been a favourite trainer of mine. I don't know what he's doing different, but his horses are going better for sure. Road to Rock? When trainers start winning big races with unexpected horses I really take notice. I know RTW didn't fire, but Black Piranha is a very good horse, and Onemorenomore's no slouch either.
Over the years I have found one of the best systems is to follow these 'form' trainers. Not willing to speculate here why they suddnely improve. But I say, if you can't beat them, join them.
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Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 9:37am
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yes good effort. turfontein last week. now RtR. Red Lord did well to.
Finally some of Barts skill is getting passed on
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Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 10:04am
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Huey Lewis and the News?
Wow...he has improved most of his horses by four to five lengths.
And all of these horses were being pre-tained while he was having a hip replacement.
Not sure what to think.....
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Posted By: Daz
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 11:42am
| I dont like him, his horses run like crap or champions from one start to the next. |
Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2009 at 1:01pm
Don't be stupid - Anthony deserves all the credit he gets - a top G1 trainer and man in his own right. All those top 3yo Patanicks such as Trusting, Onmorenomore etc he picked for Tinkler with a gentlement's agreement to train them - so you could imagine the current stock he would have had to train. Anthony Cummings is the man who you would first to help you select say a nice yearling or a buffet restaurant.
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Daz wrote:Posted By: Benhro
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2009 at 11:14am
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His Daddy's horses do that too. Do you hate him aswell? hahaha But i know what your saying you'll back em do your arsethen watch them come out a fortnight later and make the others look second rate! I can't catch them! |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2009 at 11:34am
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That's because they don't like them winning as faves.
I'll give him one thing...he can pick a yearling. Proven time and time again. Picked Might and Power amongst a long list of others. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2009 at 1:12pm
On TVN yesterday he said he has given up the punt
 but the real reason as to why we have had two blow outs for the new season's G1s is that it is a level playing field now with the current EPO audit. So you can throw out last years form. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2009 at 10:52am
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Like father like son!
Viewed, Sirmione, Swick, Turffontein .. now throw in Road to Rock. Very erratic form.
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Posted By: D.OLIVER 2
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2009 at 11:23am
Very very true, most people forget that when money is involved greed, drugs and ego play a major part in Australian horse racing, hopefully this whole epo saga will put everyone on a level playing field, but unfortunately most see this as a fantasy. Everyone in Sydney racing circles knows that jockeys and trainers take TURNS in winning races, you see it so many times....jockeys run hot then nothing for weeks or even months, same goes for trainers as we have seen recently with A cummings, not knocking the bloke, we all know he is a brilliant trainer, after all he learnt from best trainer after TJ Smith in the last 40 years. Sydney racing is as corrupt as hell and anybody who is anybody knows this and we all know who the main culprit is...one Bill Waterhouse, the mastermind of the whole bloody scam, obviously it is Anthonys turn and i hope he continues winning these big races, but when the wheel turns and his horses start to slow down, remember this....the puppet masters are pulling his strings and it will be time for someone else, just remember what happened to poor Rick hore-lacy when he floated Redoutes choice up to Sydney for the golden slipper, he was TOLD to turn the f@#K around and go home...thats Sydney racing for you!!! ------------- I just won the Melbourne cup... |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2009 at 6:25pm
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Does the word Trenbolone ring bells for anyone? . Chemists are always ahead of analysts & like a tea leaf sieve, the odd one'll get thru'. I'm not pointing any fingers but the mix of humans & money will always turn up the odd cheat. New positives, miniscule amounts, have turned up in the US, to derivatives of a herbal plant known to dilate respiratory vessels & so it will go on.
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: OLAH
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2009 at 7:25pm
| What a load of sh*t! your telling me that the Sheik is going to be intimidated by someone like Waterhouse and his Goons... maybe it was dicussed that he can win the golden rose with Denman while sitting back smoking some opium through those wicked Bongs the Arabs use. The Cummings empire was build not bought! i could see RTR building up to a nice win from his previous start, i thought it may have been once he hit 2000m but the fast run mile was enough for him. they may have the masking agents avaliable im not disputing that and there is plenty new HELPERS being developed. but the rubbish about taking turns is...well rubbish! |
Posted By: OLAH
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2009 at 7:28pm
| on a different note... did anyone see SWARM at his last start? he should have won that, but ended up on his nose at the start, flew home and got second... if you look through the form previous to that start it shows just how the cummings boys roll. |
Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2009 at 9:55pm
Didn't think of that.
Lets see how Patanick go with out AC assist in selecting their juveniles.
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Posted By: Romano
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2009 at 2:51am
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You really dont think Patinack with people with experience like Mick Price and John Thompson cant pick out stand out yearlings...pleeeeze!
In fact they may find that the yearlings wont cost as much this time round
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 12:55pm
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He has a 2yo running a 1500m maiden at Newcastle that is about to jump. He is very poorly placed in regards to WFA. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 12:59pm
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And it wins easily.............. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: JoanFerguson
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2017 at 12:50pm
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An application from Anthony & Edward Cummings for a Trainer Partnership to train at Royal Randwick has been approved. The Partnership will commence from today (Tuesday, 7 March 2017). New Training Partnership (A. & E. Cummings) Please note, in race fields originally released for the meeting to be held at Warwick Farm tomorrow (8th March), the following horses were declared in original publications as being trained by Anthony Cummings:- Race 2, No 4 – Go Daddy Go Go Daddy Go will now race for both gentlemen under the Partnership. No Doubt has been withdrawn from its engagement. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 5:06pm
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Is there a town stable going worse than these guys? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 5:36pm
| Can't think of one at this point but john Sargent not having a lot of joy lately, Peter Rohbl, what's happened to him, Nikki Bourke in Melb. gone so quiet too, it's a tough gig. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 6:24pm
Robl hasn’t had a runner since mid Jan, maybe Bill Mitchell isn’t “helping” any more. Sargent is either winning an Oaks or a Nowra maiden  ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Bi Carb
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 8:49pm
That 'level playing field' doesn't suit everyone
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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 9:57pm
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John Sargent never travels well - has one of the worst strike rates as a city trainer in the country! Lucky if he gets 12% W/R. Anthony & Ed also in a lull
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 10:02pm
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Posted By: horseshoe
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 2:26pm
------------- Those who know don't tell, Those who tell don't know |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 2:54pm
| Just for curiosities sake I will watch, thanks horseshoe. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 2:24pm
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Rumours doing the rounds they could be closing down. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 2:43pm
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If what I am hearing is true you really have to wonder about our racing press and how the hell this has been kept quiet ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Straight Connector
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 3:12pm
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Everything to do with this stable is just strange. I am positive any horse in his stable that is successful, is so, in spite of him. He never gives his horses a chance to steadily progress through the grades. |
Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 3:31pm
| He has owed everyone for years. |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 5:12pm
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Would that mean, Edward joins his brother at the blue army? Maybe as the Melbourne foreman. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 5:18pm
| His nickname is deadwood. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 6:16pm
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Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 6:36pm
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Anthony and Edward Cummings Past 12 Months Stats Record Win% Place% $ROI 246:20-30-26 8.1% 30.9% -56.5% Win 8.1% Place 30.9% Anthony and Edward Cummings Season Stats Record Win% Place% $ROI 201:13-30-22 6.5% 32.3% -67.1% |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 6:44pm
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How much prize money have they earned for that period ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 7:10pm
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 7:31pm
Perhaps needs a chest-full of trenbolone to improve his training performance.
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Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 8:01pm
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Has a list of debtors and creditors longer than the phone book ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 24 May 2018 at 9:46pm
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His horses all win at once... or not at all... what could that mean? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Atreus
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 1:09am
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If it is true that Anthony Cummings is quitting then he is just getting to the front of the queue in the great trainer exodus Would be tough to survive as a middle to lower tier trainer on the Sydney and Melbourne circuits at the moment as these trainers are not training enough winners. Plenty more trainers to quit over the next few years I expect
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 10:54am
| If I'm correct, the AJC had a performance criteria in place, so many winners or vacate Randwick stables........does anyone know if ATC are the same? Didn't Bob Thomson and Grahame Begg have to leave due to insufficient winners, or failing to meet the stringent AJC rules......why would G Begg who was an institution at headquarters be treated different to AC? or am I on the wrong track here....so to speak. |
Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 7:34pm
| So how does E.O’Rourke, who no one has ever heard of have stables at Randwick, has he had 1 winner in town? |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 7:45pm
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Experienced overseas where he was born, and spent time with major stables in Oz. Was foreman for Michael Freedman, and took over his stable complex when Freedman went overseas. Most of his horses are 2yo's or even younger, and has a full stable of them, it's a bit rough to single him out in this context.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:05pm
| And has an association with Coolemoore, now that would be a Big help, certain there was a time when to train at Randwick and Flemington you had to have a No.1 license, not sure though. |
Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:27pm
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[QUOTE=Second Chance] Experienced overseas where he was born, and spent time with major stables in Oz. Was foreman for Michael Freedman, and took over his stable complex when Freedman went overseas. Most of his horses are 2yo's or even younger, and has a full stable of them, it's a bit rough to single him out in this context. [/QUOTESo how did this guy who has never held a trainers license gain a prestigious stable at Randwick? If he has a stable full of 2yo’s, surely some of them would have raced? |
Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:28pm
So a job for the boys? |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:28pm
Is he just a seat warmer for Freedman? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:52pm
Haha, can't help you out their mate, nice to have big clients don't you think? |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:55pm
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If he can fill a stable he's entitled. Extensive experience in England and Ireland. Further experience as foreman or assistant foreman with three of Sydney's top trainers, not counting Freedman. Just one of any number of trainers trainers at Randwick however some of you have chosen to target him, the new bloke on the block, rather than a host of under performers at the track. Give him time. Get a life. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:59pm
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7 winners from last 50 = O'Rourke & 36 Stable Returns. Pretty good stats in anyones' book tho' all pretty short. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 9:01pm
| I couldn't give a fried egg if he trained on the moon , not interested really fwiw. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 9:03pm
| Good stats, my post ref. to SC, |
Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 9:58pm
No Carioca, I trained at Flemington and I did not hold a No1 Trainer's licence, back in the olden days.....80's.....not sure now though.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 11:02pm
No doubt you are correct Bonjour, although I didn't state it there was a time in my youth 50s lol that there was a difference in the No1 and No2 license categories in what they could do or where they could do it, my time was at Randwick though , cheers. |