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    Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 7:54pm
If the GCTC losers the Magic Millions race meeting the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the current committee, a couple of newly elected committee man/woman were out to derail the new Track perposal from day one and also suggested that they would turn the committee room into a function room and said they did not need a committee room. but with there election they said they were going to do alteration to upgrade the facility to fix this issue with hosting MM and to date they have put in a NEW Directors Lounge (Committee Room) one small bar and two big ceiling fan and all this was done at a large cost to the Turf Club ( they did not get value for money) and the main point they have not acted before now to secure this race meeting. This Club was once the best provincial club in Australia and now under this committee's leadership will be lucky to survive.AngryConfusedShocked   
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why does the gold coast need a metro track?
 
they are flat out getting 5000 people to there saturday meetings as it is, and the track is walking distance from surfers. how many people do you think are going to go out the back of nowhere to go to the races, when they can sit in the pub or at home?
 
they are never going to get metro meetings, as eagle farm is being upgraded and doomben was promised it would keep metro meetings if it merged with eagle farm. and having metro meetings wouldn't mean that more people are going to come out and watch the races.
 
if magic millions has outgrown the GCTC, then they can fund a new track or move to another venue. they won't want to go to melbourne or sydney becuase ingliss owns those towns. and they don't want to move from the gold coast becuase they know deep down that half the reason people come from all over the world for the magic millions sales on the gold coast is becuase it is at the gold coast. they are trying to bully the GCTC into taking an enourmous risk moving to a site in the middle of nowhere so that magic millions can jam another 15000 people into the gates on their big day.
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Totally agree Scoot. Yes the place could do with a makeover but it is full just twice a year. It would be a white elephant if they built a track to accommodate 15000 - 20000 people in it.
 
People should forget about the Palm Meadows model - it didnt happen because it didnt financially stack up. The original proposal was that a developer was going to build them a state of the art track some distance away - in exchange for their land so that the developer could build some high ride apartments on the existing GCTC track.
 
It was prudent of the GCTC - not reckless - to ask the question as to the feasibility of the proposal before deciding to go. There are a million pie in the sky propsals out there in the development world..most dont stack up financially. This was one of them. And right now - developers cannot get money nor can they sell apartments. If it couldnt work at the height of a development sales boom - its no chance of working in the future.
 
When GCTC did ask the question they were never given a feasibility - the whole thing was played out by QR Chairman Bob Bentley - he had discussions with Magic Millions about the deal - well before he had the decency to meet with the Turf Club. In fact I remember him being interviewed on 4 TAB stating that MM want to go there, QR want a track there and thats what we want to do. He said QR had the right to grant a licence to another Club and if the GCTC didnt move he would consider doing just that. When asked if he had discussions with the GCTC he stated no!! The arrogance of the man is amazing. Here is the Qld Racing Chairman consulting with the MM private owners about a new racetrack without consulting GCTC!
 
I would add a couple of things. Yes..the GCTC needs some money spent on it. Some facilities are ordinary..but in my opinion better than Eagle Farm who are still in the dark ages. The track plays exceptionally well given that they race there every week.
 
Secondly, the new Committee Room is a wank. It was supposed to be an owners bar to celebrate a win after a race but it has turned into a gravy train for the elite funded by the members.
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The old committee room was costing $250,000 a year to feed sumptious feasts and free drinks to the old committee and their hundred of free loading friends, way above the real action of the racing.
What a waste of money spent!
This room also now is often booked for many raceday private functions, so as well as the $250, 000 saved there is the added bonus of more money in the cofffers.
I was delighted to spend a raceday in the new committee/ winners as a sponsers guest   and had a great time and being right at the winning post and parade ring added a great atmosphere.
The finger food although not what was the sumptious fare of past commiittee fares, was more than adequate.
The winners of each race also were enjoying a new area to celebrate their winners with good food and as many drinks as they liked.
Thank god the new look committee has had the morality to stop all the free loading that took place every saturday, stopped all that fancy travel trips taken abroad as fact finding missions and cut out all the first class trips around Australia. One could not help but think that in the past some of the old committee thought it was their god given right to rort the club for as much as they could get! And these were the same people who did not in any way significantly share in ownership of horses.
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Tell me what race club anywhere in Australia is full on any day besides during its biggets carnival day. So that arguement that it be a white elephant is a no win arguement. If you had a state of the art track and facilities then yes they could hostt metrop meetings, which attracts better horses and usually more people. Not saying it would fill it by any means but be better patronaged than it is now. Obviously the trainers would benefit with better tracks and training facilities etc and so more reputable trainers would come which would enhance racing in the area. So I don't think its all negative to move and upgrade the GCTC
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Phantom ..that is the point...it has been proven that it is not economical to  move the GCTC.
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Originally posted by Romano Romano wrote:

Phantom ..that is the point...it has been proven that it is not economical to  move the GCTC.
Sorry Romano I missed the proof? Only heard peoples opinions so far. Can you tell me or provide me with the report that shows the value of club and land as it stands at moment (which will be a huge sum of money no doubt) and cost to the club to move (the gap that the private enterprise and govt won't cover) and possible income/revenue potential that the new club may earn through the new facilities (not just racing but expos, conventions, functions etc) because I haven't seen the black and white fuigures. Cheers
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Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

Originally posted by Romano Romano wrote:

Phantom ..that is the point...it has been proven that it is not economical to  move the GCTC.
Sorry Romano I missed the proof? Only heard peoples opinions so far. Can you tell me or provide me with the report that shows the value of club and land as it stands at moment (which will be a huge sum of money no doubt) and cost to the club to move (the gap that the private enterprise and govt won't cover) and possible income/revenue potential that the new club may earn through the new facilities (not just racing but expos, conventions, functions etc) because I haven't seen the black and white fuigures. Cheers
 
 
I wish everbody would look beyond  palms meadows there is another site on the gold coast better then PM and has easy access to train, road and water transport. The figures would stack up on this proposal and i think we should forget about goverment funding  this should be a private facilty. (Stop Goverments bleeding the racing industry with no return from them).
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Phantom, Gold Coast currently has 4 of the top 10 and 6 of the top 15 trainers. Not bad for a hick track. I haven't heard or seen much criticism of the training facilities from trainers. 
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Originally posted by orpen orpen wrote:

Phantom, Gold Coast currently has 4 of the top 10 and 6 of the top 15 trainers. Not bad for a hick track. I haven't heard or seen much criticism of the training facilities from trainers. 
 
 
Orpen you must live in melbourne, There is a lot of over crowding on the training track. You should come up to the Gold Coast and talk to the trainers, Even one of the trainers here who's brother is on the committee is even listening. The training facilites at the gold coast track are second rate you can't work your horse on the back track as it is like concrete.AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry
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Originally posted by orpen orpen wrote:

Phantom, Gold Coast currently has 4 of the top 10 and 6 of the top 15 trainers. Not bad for a hick track. I haven't heard or seen much criticism of the training facilities from trainers. 
In australia????? I don't think so........ I'm looking at the big picture and perhaps we get a Freedman/Waterhouse/Hawkes/Waller satellite stable here......
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Second rate, I disagree the stig.

The new second grass is a vast improvement on the previous grass , having being widened, returfed and banked.I would rate it far superior to the other grass traing tracks available at Eagle Farm and Doomden. On top of this the course proper is available on a regular basis.

The velvet track has been maintained superbly so it now is a better training track than a few years ago and after the massive downpours we recently had stood up very well. The sand as a fast and slow track and plough are the alternatives.

The back track has ever only been a quassi track for young horses for slow work and barrier training and as you say a firm track, ideal for tendon injuries if one wants another option to train on.The reason some trainers do slow work on that track is that it is closer to the stables in ken russell drive and therefore easier for those trainers to use- but was never meant as a serious workout option.

I'm also curious to this second land option- is it carrara way?
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phantom, you really have no idea do you?
 
hawkes/waterhouse etc training on the gold coast? what, then they fly all the horses down to syd and melb to race on the weekend? surely you are not suggesting they send their horses around for $10,000 a race?
 
gold coast is not the capital of qld. they don't have the people to warrant a facility that you are talking about. are you suggesting that the gold coast should have the best facilities for training and racing, and we close the city tracks down?
 
 
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Originally posted by Phantom Phantom wrote:

Originally posted by Romano Romano wrote:

Phantom ..that is the point...it has been proven that it is not economical to  move the GCTC.
Sorry Romano I missed the proof? Only heard peoples opinions so far. Can you tell me or provide me with the report that shows the value of club and land as it stands at moment (which will be a huge sum of money no doubt) and cost to the club to move (the gap that the private enterprise and govt won't cover) and possible income/revenue potential that the new club may earn through the new facilities (not just racing but expos, conventions, functions etc) because I haven't seen the black and white fuigures. Cheers
 
Phantom...if the figures did stack up Bob Bentley would be ramming it down our throat. THere was a press release some time ago quoting Bentley, GCTC  & MM bosses saying that PM was dead as it simply did not stack up financially. Mate, it never was.
 
THE GCTC never said no to PM - all it did was ask for full information. When that appeared it was obvious that it would never work.
 
You know how many t**sers that are out there declaring what a great deal they can do for you. I come to your place and say Phantom ol mate, I want your house....I will build you a much bigger place - brand new with all the bells and whistles...i'll build you a pool a spa and even give you more land to build down the track...location not so hot...but you'll love it.....what do you say...sign here.......no way...you ask for the detail and thats what GCTC did..to the long term benefits of its members. I am amember and wouldnt have had a problem relocating ...if it stacked up. It didnt.
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From AAP:
 
Tuesday, 17 February 2009
By Glenn Davis

The Gold Coast's proposed new supertrack at Palm Meadows is officially doomed.

Queensland Racing Limited (QRL) chairman Bob Bentley said the Palm Meadows proposal was off the agenda as it was dependent on Macau casino magnate Stanley Ho being granted a licence for a private casino on the site.

"It's (the Palm Meadows proposal) over now," Bentley said.

"It's no longer feasible because of the world economic crisis.

"It needed a backer to be viable. I have discussed it (Palm Meadows) with the Queensland government but they didn't want to be in it."

Ho owns the Palm Meadows site but Bentley was hopeful the new supertrack would be given the green light with financial assistance from the Queensland Government.

Bentley said QRL was now in talks with the Queensland Government about providing financial assistance to fund redevelopment at the current Gold Coast track at Bundall.

He said a cushion track similar to Caloundra's artificial track, a tunnel under the grass track and widening and cambering of the course proper were being considered for the Gold Coast.

"The Gold Coast needs a synthetic track for training," Bentley said.

"The club is in favour of it and it could be built on the inside of the course proper.

"Because of workplace and safety concerns a tunnel would have to be built under the course proper as well.

"And there's plans to do major upgrading work to the course proper."

Ho - the Macau based Casino tycoon - would have had this up his sleeve the whole way. Get QR in..tell them he can build the bloody thing and then get to the end of discussion and say...Oh..it all hinges on being granted a Casino licence....never, ever going to happen.
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Have sat on the sidelines throughout all this stuff.  Just read, listened, researched and slowly formed opinions.
 
One of which is that I'm now entirely convinced that Bentley will never, ever provide the way forward in Qld.
 
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john singleton interesting said on tvn the other night he was a fan of bob.
 
interestingly bob was pushing to move the gctc to pm, whereby MM will benefit enormously.
 
 
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A great fan of Bob if singo gets what he wants- a brand new complex to sell at for nothing and the valuable magic millions site to now sell at 10x the value of its present worth as no longer equine only if the track moves.
It amuses me how well singo manipulates the local paper in to decrying the moving of MM.
"SINGO- DONT TURN YOUR BACK ON US" screaming on the front page.
PLEASE! 95% of the gold coast population have no interest whatso ever with horse racing and I think would become quite ropeable with Anna Bligh if they saw their 600mill petrol rebate axing spent largely on horse racing and millionaires. That is not mentioning the union fraction who given a chance will pounce on any kind of expenditure on racing.
PALM meadows was never financially an option unless Stanley Ho come on board and that sweatener deal of a casino licence was put in the too hard basket.
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poor poor sily old bentley......how much on consultants for this whit elephant?
now wonder he hides at /from race meetings ! like really how could he hold his rotten labor head up and look stakeholders in the eye?
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