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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 2013 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by ianb ianb wrote:

Lordy, if Paul Willetts said to Rob Heathcote, I have found a Pierro colt that we must have , don't lose on him, would you race one
I'd need more to go on than that  Smile
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Originally posted by Fast forward Fast forward wrote:

So do you go to the Champion or for similar money to his sire who has proven he can throw a Champion. Personally I'd go the proven option. I like stallions that CAN throw a top horse.
I'd say Lonhro fits the criteria for both.  No brainer for me.
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77K does seem steep for an unproven sire when you can go to Lonhro.

I'm unsure how Pierro will go as all of us are. 

He could go two ways-be similar to grand-dad or dad-Octagonal and Lonhro respectively and be a good sire without setting records. Lonhro has had more stakeswinners and has arguably done a better job than Octagonal but Lonhro has only had the one real champion in Pierro at this stage. He still has time to improve this count. Octagonal also only had the one real champion in Lonhro and very doubtful he'll add to that now. So will Pierro continue this trend? 

On the other hand he could go the great-granddad way and become a super sire like Zabeel. He sure has the pedigree to be a super sire and even a sire of stayers like Zabeel. Even though Pierro wasn't tested beyond 2040m, Zabeel arguably wasn't really at his best at 2000m and was better at 1600m. Hard to predict how he'll go as pedigree doesn't mean anything as Octagonal should have been better as a sire based on pedigree.

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Champion is a big tag to bandy around, most very good stallions are lucky to get one.

A lot of champions actually come from underated stallions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2013 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

He could go two ways-be similar to grand-dad or dad-Octagonal and Lonhro respectively and be a good sire without setting records. Lonhro has had more stakeswinners and has arguably done a better job than Octagonal but Lonhro has only had the one real champion in Pierro at this stage. He still has time to improve this count. Octagonal also only had the one real champion in Lonhro and very doubtful he'll add to that now. So will Pierro continue this trend? 
Lonhro has 70% winners to runners and nearly 8% stakeswinners.  His numbers are up there with the best of them.  of course he'd want to be considering Darley listed him at $110k last season.  His numbers dropped and they are back to a more realistic figure now.
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Lordy,
I wasn't trying to denigrate Lonhro's achievements at stud. I was comparing everything back to Zabeel. As I said, Lonhro has a few years to go and may end up emulating his grandsire but I was ultimately comparing Occie and Lonhro to Zabeel as sires of stayers ala Zabeel but I didn't make that clear in my post. 

Brad-maybe I should have stated, instead of champion, siring a horse the equal or better than themselves. Zabeel did that a number of times, whereas Occie and Lonhro have only done that once so far.
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Pierro is down for 144 live foals, does anyone have an opinion on them as yet?
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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I am personally luke warm about him but someone I rate very highly in the industry says they are top shelf. This particular person put me into IAI for 2 noms on the back of his first foals.
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Further to that I didn't find Pierro himself a super imposing stallion in the flesh physically. He can't 'fail' by way of numbers and quality of mares he got but I can't see him being a breed shaper. Having said that been wrong b4 and besides the truth is I can't afford to use him even if I wanted to
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Understand Pierro has undergone at least one operation this week after almost succumbing to a colic attack
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yes - out for the season I believe
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If he ends up being a bust, this will let a lot of breeders off the hook.
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could we at least have some compassion for a great race horse in dire straits ?Cry
or is it all about the holy dollar ???Sick
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Gone?????)
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serious majestic? 
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You mean he has died ???   
Thats terrible if true.
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It would be all over twitter by now if it was true.




STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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Heard the same. Rumours are rumours. Tragic if true
current stable...Giuliani.
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Not true!
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I heard from a source usually knows, that its not true.
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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Any catch your eye?
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With a few having gone through the sales now what do people think of them?

There's a colt at the breaker I work for; he is a spitting image of his old man - and wow he can move! 
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Quinella at Randwick.

Both looking quality COLTS. 




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PIERATA (AUS)Bay colt 2014 
Pierro
Bay 2009
Lonhro
Brown 1998
Octagonal
Brown 1992
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Eight Carat
Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight
Klairessa
1963
1969
3-o
9-c
Shadea
Bay 1988
Straight Strike
Bay or brown 1977
Mr Prospector
Bend Not
1970
1972
13-c
11>
Concia
Bay 1978
First Consul
My Tricia
1970
1974
5-f
8>
Miss Right Note
Grey 2003
Daylami
Grey 1994
Doyoun
Bay 1985
Mill Reef
Dumka
1968
1971
22-d
21-a
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Damana
1978
1981
16-g
9-e
Sky Song
Bay 1997
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Criquette
Bay 1990
Shirley Heights
Ghislaine
1975
1981
1-l
1-t
November Flight
Bay 2001
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974
Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche
1965
1967
8-g
4-g
November Song
Bay 1995
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Valderna
1977
1972
5-h
16-c
Chorus Star
Brown 1982
Kaoru Star
Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom
Kaoru
1946
1955
1-g
31>
Century Miss
Brown 1976
Century
Gay Chorus
1969
1966
20>
29>
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HONG QIGONG  
Pierro (AUS)
Bay 2009
Lonhro
Brown 1998
Octagonal
Brown 1992
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Eight Carat
Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight
Klairessa
1963
1969
3-o
9-c
Shadea
Bay 1988
Straight Strike
Bay or brown 1977
Mr Prospector
Bend Not
1970
1972
13-c
11>
Concia
Bay 1978
First Consul
My Tricia
1970
1974
5-f
8>
Miss Right Note
Grey 2003
Daylami
Grey 1994
Doyoun
Bay 1985
Mill Reef
Dumka
1968
1971
22-d
21-a
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Damana
1978
1981
16-g
9-e
Sky Song
Bay 1997
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Criquette
Bay 1990
Shirley Heights
Ghislaine
1975
1981
1-l
1-t
Scattered (AUS)
Chestnut 2005
Tale of the Cat
Bay or brown 1994
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
Terlingua
Chestnut 1976
Secretariat
Crimson Saint
1970
1969
2-s
8-c
Yarn
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Narrate
Bay or brown 1980
Honest Pleasure
State
1973
1974
11-f
2-f
Fragmentation
Bay 2000
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Southern Sprinter
Bay 1990
Southern Appeal
Bay 1983
Valid Appeal
Southern Gem
1972
1973
2-c
26>
Ceres Mist
Grey 1982
Plush
Racice
1971
1968
22-b
7-d
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On a positive note, that winner lifts his winners to runners to 18 %, much better than the 13 % at the start of the day.
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I suspect many are ready to declare this boy a flop.

Now 1 win from 20 starters in his 2nd season.........that is just too bad to be true

Tulip the flag bearer - but overall now sits at 10 winners from 46 starters.

Cannot even be close to a full book I would imagine
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And now up to 28% winners from starters this season, with two stakes winners.  What a difference one month makes.

I've noticed in the articles written about his winners that more than one trainer says they take a few runs to figure things out, and I've also noticed that the longer they run, the more they win.

Pissaro -- 1600m
Pinot -- 1800m, 2000m
Plato -- 1600m
Pierrocity -- 1600m
3/4 brothers Action and Arcadia Prince -- 1400m
Meazza -- 1450m


My feeling--based on the way he looks in pictures and how his foals are running better as they run longer--is that he's throwing to his dam line.
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We all looked to So You Think for the stayers.  Maybe this boy has what it takes to get the Oaks and Derby winners.  Heres hoping that the Sir Tristram line has another generation.  Picked Pinot out of the sales to follow - along with others who as yet haven't raced or had limited starts.  She was easy.  Light and out of a classy middle distance mare yet only sold for $200K.  Maybe failed exrays or people on spend big on sprinters.  She's still got a way to get $200K but with black type she's done all she really has to for her families pedigree page.
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