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    Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 4:44pm
Retires this season to AQUIS subject to all veterinary clearance pertaining to stallion insurance.
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PIERATA (AUS)Brown colt 2014 
Pierro
Bay 2009
Lonhro
Brown 1998
Octagonal
Brown 1992
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Eight Carat
Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight
Klairessa
1963
1969
3-o
9-c
Shadea
Bay 1988
Straight Strike
Bay or brown 1977
Mr Prospector
Bend Not
1970
1972
13-c
11>
Concia
Bay 1978
First Consul
My Tricia
1970
1974
5-f
8>
Miss Right Note
Grey 2003
Daylami
Grey 1994
Doyoun
Bay 1985
Mill Reef
Dumka
1968
1971
22-d
21-a
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Damana
1978
1981
16-g
9-e
Sky Song
Bay 1997
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Criquette
Bay 1990
Shirley Heights
Ghislaine
1975
1981
1-l
1-t
November Flight
Bay 2001
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974
Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche
1965
1967
8-g
4-g
November Song
Bay 1995
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Valderna
1977
1972
5-h
16-c
Chorus Star
Brown 1982
Kaoru Star
Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom
Kaoru
1946
1955
1-g
31>
Century Miss
Brown 1976
Century
Gay Chorus
1969
1966
20>
29>
 Ancestor duplications:Zabeel4m x 3f Mr Prospector5m x 4f Northern Dancer5m x 5m 
  Sir Ivorx 5f,5m
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Second Chance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 5:04pm
There's little better than Flying Spur/Danehill over or under Zabeel/Sir Tristram, and the double of Zabeel won't hurt one little bit.  Plus a Star Kingdom/Century bred Slipper winner in the direct distaff.

This fellow could be anything at stud imo.



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Be interesting to see what his fee is . 
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I hope it works out for them.
Plenty of potential, and I like the breeding page but it can be a bit hit and miss.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Second Chance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 6:14pm
This from Furious in another thread:

The Golden Slipper winner in the female line is important.  You may have noticed but Arrowfield are very particular on their female lines for their stallions.  That & the seriously good Cetigne (AJC Sires Produce S, Derby, VRC Newmarket H, Melbourne S (LKS MacKinnon) (twice), Rawson S, Villiers S etc) help lift the line above the ordinary. 
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Be interesting to see what his fee is . 

I'll guess 38.5-44 based on the sale price.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cityboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 12:03pm
He wasn’t especially precocious. Therefore I was thinking $25k-30k. But you’re probably closer with your guess considering the other fees this year.
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His 4th dam might have won a Slipper but anyone expecting him to sire precocious offspring would be ignoring the first two generations of his pedigree.
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Quite true.  This from another thread re Lonhro/Pierro/Pierata over Viddora.  Not precisely relevant but touches on Pierata's Zabeel cross even if not addressing the other staying influences present in the stallion.  

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Two proven stallions providing the Eight Carat cross. And Pierata if you don't want the Octagonal/Colombia sibling cross too close and also want to introduce the successful Flying Spur/Danehill match with Zabeel/Sir T.  

To explain the above further, if you were to use Pierro or Lonhro you'd arguably risk too much of the siblings Octagonal and Colombia coming through - given the stoutness involved.

Whereas the use of Pierata would keep the stout sibling cross, albeit a generation back, and importantly introduce the Flying Spur/Danehill influence that adds dynamic acceleration to the classic aspects of Zabeel/Sir T. 

Just imo.

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I would look for Hurricane Sky, Umatilla, or Manhattan Rain in addition to Redoute’s. Pierro’s female family likes as much Sir Ivor as it can get and Dancing Show is a high-class daughter.

Holy Roman Emperor, Kittens Joy, Encosta de Lago, and if you can find him Kheleyf would also be good fits with the Ciboulette line. Deputy Minister via Dehere and French Deputy have the similarly-bred mare Victoriana.

There are plenty of mare lines he will work with BUT unless the mare herself was a fast juvenile from an early maturing line, I wouldn’t expect his foals to be fast juveniles.
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Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Be interesting to see what his fee is . 


I'll guess 38.5-44 based on the sale price.
            Why the 44c?...                  
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