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POET'S VOICE (GB) Dubawi (Ire)Dubai MillenniumSeeking the Gold
ZomaradahDeploy
Bright TiaraChief's CrownDanzig
Expressive DanceRiva Ridge
PLANET LANE
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Galileo (Ire)Sadler's WellsNorthern Dancer
Urban SeaMiswaki
MargarineWestern Symphony (USA)Nijinsky
Lyric StarBletchingly

POET'S VOICE (GB) (Bay 2007-Stud 2012). 4 wins-2 at 2, Ascot Queen Elizabeth II S., Gr1. Sire of 482 rnrs, 276 wnrs, 16 SW, inc. Poet's Word (Ascot King George VI & Queen Elizabeth S., Gr.1), Trap for Fools, Summer Festival - Party Together (H.K.), Sand Zabeel, Viridine, Poetic Dream, Voice of Love, Poeta Diletto, Mi Raccomando, Arctic Sound, Aramayo, Poet's Vanity, Leaves of Grass, Montsarrat, My Country, Whitman, SP Boatswain, Perfect Rhyme, etc.

 

1st dam

PLANET LANE, by Galileo (Ire). Unplaced. This is her fifth foal. Dam of 3 foals to race, 2 winners-

 Wild Sea (f by Dalakhani (Ire)) 2 wins at 1600m, 2200m to 2018-19 in Aust.

 Jovian (g by High Chaparral (Ire)) Winner at 2200m in Aust.

 Dog Bone Picnic (g by Southern Image (USA)) Placed in Aust.

 

2nd dam

Margarine, by Western Symphony (USA). 2 wins-1 at 2-at 1100m, A$95,790, VATC Bill Collins H., 2d VATC But Beautiful H., 3d VRC Great Western H., L, MVRC Andale Beer Dispensing Equipment H., VATC Molly's Robe H., Gipsy Queen H., Denise's Joy H. Half-sister to EXPRESSAGESiri Nelg. Dam of 7 named foals, 5 to race, 3 winners, inc:-

 Smiley Jack2 wins-1 at 2-at 1200m, 1400m, MRC Melbourne Racing Club Members 2YO H.

 To the North5 wins from 1500m to 2000m, 2d BRC Oztronics H., 3d BRC Mullins Lawyers H.

 Dance Man4 wins from 1400m to 1850m, 2d AJC Hickman Racing H., 3d ATC Warwick Farm 100 Club H., NCP Printing H.

 

3rd dam

LYRIC STAR, by Bletchingly. Unplaced. Sister to RIGOLETTO,  Quintet (dam of CINQ ROUGE), three-quarter-sister to TAKE YOUR PARTNER,  Quarantieme (dam of WEST POINTCHARMING CITY), half-sister to  Dance Attendance (dam of ALMA'S FURYENFORCED - CHAMPIONSHIP (H.K.)),  Marscay's Dream (dam of MR MURPHYGOLDEN FAWN). Dam of 10 named foals, 7 to race, 5 winners, inc:-

EXPRESSAGE (c Export Price) 5 wins at 1200m, 1400m, A$158,090, VRC Four 'n Twenty S., L, Cadbury H., Murrumbidgee TC Wagga Town P., VRC Skipton H., 2d VRC Perri Cutten H., VATC Hilton on the Park Melbourne H., 3d VATC Mookta Welter H., Franklins H., 4th VRC Bobbie Lewis H., Gr.3, VATC Sandown S., Gr.3.

Siri Nelg (g Al Hareb) 7 wins from 1500m to 2100m, A$215,235, VRC AVS Catering H., VATC Bunratty Castle H., Bi-Lo H., MVRC Sport 927 H., 2d VRC Hong Kong Jockey Club P., L, VATC Hopetoun H., L, BTC Ecoply H., VRC Hilton Nicholas H., Guinness 2YO H., 3d Geelong RC Derby Trial S., L, Seymour Cup, L, Sale Cup, 4th VATC Eclipse S., Gr.3, QTC Exhibition H., L, VATC Norman Robinson S., L, Qld Tatt's RC Tattersall's Mile, L.

Margarine (f Western Symphony) 2 wins. See above.

 My Red StarWinner at 2, AJC Randwick Labor Club 2YO H., 4th Gosford Slipper, L.

 Cantare. Unraced. Dam of 4 winners-

Sheik Your Money (c Al Maheb) 3 wins at 1400m, 1450m, 2d SAJC Veuve Clicquot S., L, MVRC Strathayr H., 3d MRC Burberry H.

 

4th dam

VERDI, by Showdown (GB). 4 wins-2 at 2-from 1200m to 1800m, A$101,600, WATC Caris Diamond S., Gr.3, VATC Mitcham H., Waratah H., 2d AJC Champagne S., VATC Blue Diamond S., VRC Wakeful S., Gr.2, 3d VRC Sires' Produce S., VRC Oaks, Gr.1, VATC One Thousand Guineas, Gr.1, Sandown Guineas, Gr.2, 4th AJC Sires' Produce S. Half-sister to SHANNARA (dam of CLAYTON'S BID), HOT DIGGITYDancelot (dam of KENVAINIMPERIAL BARONTAKE YOUR PARTNER), Duke Ellington. Dam of 10 named foals, 7 to race, 2 winners, inc:-

RIGOLETTO (c Bletchingly) 5 wins from 1100m to 1600m, A$129,950, AJC Carbine Club S., L, Shorts H., L, STC Darby Munro H., L, AJC Thomas Moore H. Sire.

 Marscay's Dream. Placed at 3, 3d STC Mark Reade 21st Birthday H. Dam of 3 winners-

MR MURPHY (g Danehill) Joint third on The 2000-01 Australasian 3YO Classification (sprint). 11 wins from 1000m to 1650m, A$1,500,250, VRC Australian Guineas, Gr.1, VATC Futurity S., Gr.1, Eat Well Live Well Cup, Gr.1, MVRC Alister Clark S., Gr.2, VRC Chester Manifold S., L, Scalzo Food Industries H., Pontormo H., MVRC Wellington Racing Club Trophy H., VATC GH Davey H., 2d VRC Blamey S., Gr.2, VATC Zeditave S., L, 4th MRC TS Carlyon Cup, Gr.3.

GOLDEN FAWN (c Woodman) 2 wins at 1400m, 1600m, A$88,950, AJC Dulcify H., L, QTC Queensland H.

 Dance Attendance. Placed at 3, 2d AJC Kista H. Dam of 9 winners-

ALMA'S FURY (g Refuse to Bend) 8 wins-1 at 2-from 1200m to 1600m, A$841,605, ATC Apollo S., Gr.2, BRC Bernborough H., L, 2d ATC Villiers S., Gr.2, VRC Yellowglen S., Gr.3, 3d ATC Ajax S., Gr.2, Villiers S., Gr.2, Doncaster Mile Prelude, Gr.3, BRC Grand Prix S., Gr.3.

ENFORCED - CHAMPIONSHIP (H.K.) (g Snippets) 7 wins-2 at 2-from 1200m to 1600m, A$159,740, HK$2,860,325 in Aust. and HK, BTC Doomben Classic, Gr.3, STC Hollywood Park 2YO H., 2d Queensland Guineas, Gr.2, 3d STC Eskimo Prince H., L.

 NishikawaWinner at 1300m in Aust. Dam of 4 winners-

TAKANORI (f Vital Equine) 4 wins to 1400m, A$162,709, Bunbury TC Western Australian Breeders' Classic, L, WATC Gold Front Thoroughbreds Sprint H. Producer.

 Quintet. Unraced. Dam of 4 winners-

CINQ ROUGE (f Red Ransom) 2 wins at 2, A$81,515, MVRC St Albans S., L, Mermaid Property Group 2YO P. Producer.

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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:



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FWIW I'm mostly a "Type" man.  My belief is that the shoulder is the most important make up to a good horse.  This being the starting point.  The extension and angle of the humerous gives rise to a larger shoulder.  In turn this then generally places the blade angle at the best position to allow the foreleg to extend to its maximum.  The most efficient gait will be the quickest plane from A to B and closest to the ground.  Any angles that are out require the leg to be raised higher therefore not as efficient. 
Whilst hind quarter seems to be the requirement for sprinters, I believe you still need this shoulder for maximum efficiency.  Also, the shoulder allows "pull through" rather than push.  So is equally if not more important in my eyes.
From here the wither size and length gives rise to correct conformation and should be equal height of the rump.  Otherwise again all angles are out.  It also highlights the length and depth of the chest cavity for lung capacity.
Then the proportion of rein and barrel fall into place to give the right balance.  The hind leg also then needs to be positioned correctly again to maximise power.  Muscling and condition can distort conformation a lot.
 
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:


She's a pretty colour!

She also looks immature.  Like a young yearling from the withers forward and a 2yo from the wither back.  I would like to see her standing with her hind legs straight underneath...I've seen the way she's standing hide straight hocks and upright pasterns.  Neck and shoulder are attractive.
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Fantastic front legs! Good muscling and short cannon bones. Good depth of girth, plenty of room for heart and lungs. Nice allround, no major faults. Better if stood up square to assess hind end, but looks strong to me.
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Originally posted by Kimberley Mine Kimberley Mine wrote:

Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:


She's a pretty colour!

She also looks immature.  Like a young yearling from the withers forward and a 2yo from the wither back.  I would like to see her standing with her hind legs straight underneath...I've seen the way she's standing hide straight hocks and upright pasterns.  Neck and shoulder are attractive.

what sort of nonsensical reply is that.

shes not a foal; shes not a weanling; she IS a yearling.

i posted because compared to a a lot she had an extra "something" at the point of the hip.

i felt it would give her extra propulsion; you know, bigger stride  length.

which, to those who know what they are looking at, comes in pretty handy.

pretty colour! go back to pony club.....

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I strongly recommend we ignore Isaac Soloman in future.  He doesn't appear to appreciate, in particular, what Kimberley Mine is suggesting about immaturity and how young horses typically furnish later in the front than behind.  Nor does he respond to the hocks and pasterns comment.

No, in making the "back to the pony club" comment simply denigrates someone who's gone to the trouble of providing an opinion.  Extremely poor form.
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and you didnt comment at all on the conformation; just attack me.

Very poor form which of course YOU never partake off.

Your catty opinions are sounding like professional jealousies.

my opinion,, of course.
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And did you point out to km that yearling was sold for $750,000.

and i would never expect a $50000 animal to become a standing stallion.

ive had similarly bred GELDINGS achieve as much.

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Well just for the record, your attack on Kimberly Mine was uncalled for & not in the spirit of our breeding forums where opinions are appreciated whether agreed with or not Stern Smile
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Well just for the record, your attack on Kimberly Mine was uncalled for & not in the spirit of our breeding forums where opinions are appreciated whether agreed with or not Stern Smile




MMMMMMMMMMM, how many champions you bred Isaac ? 
You dont have to agree but you neednt be rude either.Shocked
I see nothing wrong with KM,s opinion.
I dont have one, except to say its a pretty yearling, and it would be nice if you gave the breeding so we dont have to search stud books and catalogues.
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I will go back to pony club when certain others will go back to finishing school and PAY ATTENTION this time.

Now about that yearling.

1.  If you have two horses of similar quality pedigree, scope, x-rays, and conformation, the pretty one will almost always sell better than a plain or ugly one.  Only in the case of exceptional quality that is proven over time will buyers overlook "ugly."  Case in point: Sunday Silence hind ends, or up in North America, Dynaformer foals having suitcases for heads.  He stood for two pints and a ham sandwich in the beginning and his foals didn't sell for much more, until people realised his foals could RUN.  The fact that this horse is attractive to look at is an advantage at the sales relative to its peers.

2.  Yes, I'm aware it's a yearling.  I also stated that it's obviously immature.  A lot depends on when that photo was taken.  If it was taken at 13 months of age, that's one thing.  If that photo was taken at 18 months of age, that's a wholly different situation.  At 18 months, either it's super slow to mature or what you're looking at is close to the finished product.  Both of those are important to anyone who wants to buy this horse.

3.  Great hips are nice, and I agree that this horse has a nice hip.  That nice hip doesn't act in isolation, though.  Like I said, though, I have seen that exact posture used to hide hind end flaws.  If it's posty through the hocks, camped out, or upright in the pasterns, that will compromise its long-term soundness.   A different picture or walking video will tell if those flaws are present.
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So about that posture and hind ends.

These two yearlings are up for sale at Inglis Classic.  They're by the same sire and are fairly close in age.  The dams are not closely related.  One's dam is unraced and has a nice track record of producing winners.  The other raced and won at metro level, is younger, and is similarly producing winners.


Here's horse A:



And here is Horse B:



Both horses have nice hips and good shoulders.  Both of them are immature-looking in front, although Horse B (who is the older of the two) looks like it still has a baby face whilst Horse A has a more mature head.  But the big deal comes in how they're standing.  Horse A is standing square and appears to be camped out behind.  If so, and it's not just this picture, this horse will have a more difficult time getting its legs under itself to push off and use the power of those hips.

Horse B has the spread hind legs...so it's impossible to tell if it's also camped out behind.



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I agree, no good buying an untried horse with a conformation fault. Now is the time to stack the deck in your favour if possible?
Horse B is the pick, based on the premise that the other IS camped out behind, but it does have a short neck 😕
Bloodlines are important, but only in a horse that is going to have the conformation that will stand up to a race prep.
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I'm with No 2 also.

However as had been stated before on here, photos can sometimes give an incorrect impression.  It's entirely possible that the apparent short neck could be misleading given the colt is pulling backand as a consequence distorting the image.
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I like the head and neck on No 1, not that will make him run any faster !LOL   Just asking you cluey people.  How do you describe that brand, ( on No 1 ),  if you was to look for it in the stud book ?   I'm not going looking, but its got me wondering ?

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Here you are AA:


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Thanks S.C.   So thats Aquis brand .  Interesting.
Had no idea how to describe it.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Well just for the record, your attack on Kimberly Mine was uncalled for & not in the spirit of our breeding forums where opinions are appreciated whether agreed with or not Stern Smile




MMMMMMMMMMM, how many champions you bred Isaac ? 
You dont have to agree but you neednt be rude either.Shocked
I see nothing wrong with KM,s opinion.
I dont have one, except to say its a pretty yearling, and it would be nice if you gave the breeding so we dont have to search stud books and catalogues.

have bred nice horses, trained group and listed.

champs? no, but then neither has sc, so dont ask the question.

used scs perth trainer as a farrier, and his wife, chloe, as a jock, and track rider.

as for km, i saw her reply as a sharp criticism. And i reacted the same

And SC? well her call to arms sums her/him up.


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and gay if you were in any way principled you would be admonishing km, amongst others of AS WELL. 

kms critique was in no way constructive.

if you thought the colour ok

and puzzled as to whether it a yearling, or whatever km had in mind

well

i wouldnt be relying on you to choose a yearling for me!


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Originally posted by Kimberley Mine Kimberley Mine wrote:



Here's horse A:



And here is Horse B:







Personally I think horse A is. Prettier colour
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The rider will be chewing its ears.
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Ok folks, here's your chance to comment on the Medaglio D'Ora - Turnstiles filly that we recently bought a small share in following its sale at the recent MM.  Clearly the second photo was taken before her yearling prep had concluded.

ps I won't get the least bitter and twistedshould you all find a series of possible faults:  Wink




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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

The rider will be chewing its ears.
 
My first thoughts too, shoulder upright plus shortish neck (if the Photo hasn't distorted),
 
Much prefer the type just purchased by SC and the unprepared one at the top of the page in this thread.
 
 
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