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    Posted: 15 Aug 2011 at 8:30pm
just remembering back when l was a young lad, the first Trainer that l worked for had a little mare that foaled a colt by Nijinsky, well he had the worst parrot mouth to the point where he couldn't even suckle.
Mare and foal were stabled and mare was milked ALOT so the foal could be bottle fed, this went on for close to to two weeks until he learnt to stretch his lips enough to latch on then there was no looking back for him! When he won his first race in town the City trainers came bearing nice offers and he did sell but fretted in his new environment so he had to come home to the stable he new as a foal. 
he did win a few more in town and didn't owe his new owner anything but he was just the strangest horse to this day that l have had anything to do with.
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Interested to see this post. I bred my first parrot mouthed foal last year. She is not as bad as the one you describe and suckled and now feeds & does well. She is otherwise a nice filly, but I can't help feel disappointed every time I look at her. However, I have known a few who raced well, so maybe all is not lost.

Interested in opinions on what impact this has on value of the foal.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PeterG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 5:02pm
j, after my experience with the horse l mentioned, l wouldn't be concerned purchasing a youngster with this imperfection as long as it was otherwise correct and it does some what correct itself as it matures.
I also meant to say that the mare foaled to a Nijinsky horse, Sportsky and the foal was Nazinsky!
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The great Dulcify was parrot mouthed.
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Oh well, that would be ok!
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YEAH DULCIFY WAS PARROT MOUTHED SO TO Binbinga and others he went on to also win a Caulfield Guineas.
 
In the late 70s early 80's everyone was looking for parrot mouthed horses thinking they were immediately onto the next star like Dulcify.

There's no magic conformation to look for when buying a horse other than sticking to a trusted piece of info straight confirmation solid breeding and handle as much as possible while growing keep them as safe as possible and feed well.Then x your fingers they have the ticker to compete!!!
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Hear hear!!! Smile
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Did these horses have any problems with eating or was it more a cosmetic thing? Here in germany the parrot mouth can be fixed successfully with a corrective osteotomy.
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There are two severely parrot mouthed horses racing in my area, both doing quite well, not sure about their afterlife? will they be able to eat grass? does anyone know how they go?
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I have heard, but not form first hand experience, that they need to be on longer grass, ie can't "nibble" if the grass is short. I guess any horse would have trouble surviving in those conditions. I haven't observed my yearling having a problem eating grass, but she is well fed & not depending on it.
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That's interesting. My vet, who is also a specialist equine dentist, didn't mention this. He did have a plat which would need to be put in for 4 hours a day. I couldn't manage this in my work routine. And there was some corrective dentistry to correct wear.
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Our 3yo has the worst I've seen & unaccountably has no trouble grazing.  Our dentist did stress to us the importance of 3mthly tidy ups instead of the usual 6mths &, he only charges 1/2 price each visit to encourage us to stick to this routine.
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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That's good news , I guess they just adapt to the situation.
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And I forgot to say, I do feed the filly seperately, as she eats slower than the others and does not get her share in a competitive environment.

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Another interesting topic to stumble across.
I have an old horse in the paddock here called Stormy Jim.
He is rising 22yo....and he has the very worst parrot mouth you could imagine.
He overshoots with his top teeth by 2 inches at least...
He was an absolute star for us.
He had been retired 18 months when i got him as a rising 6yo...and he won 9 or 10 Saturday city races for us, half Adelaide and half Melbourne.
He was racing brilliantly as a rising 10yo...then had to have a broken splint bone removed..so we retired him safe and sound and have looked after him like the champ he is ever since.
The guys who raced him still pay for his upkeep.
I only last Saturday upgraded his main rug as winter sets in.
The dentist uses an extension plate attachment on the top lip of the gag...we still get him done regularly.
He was such a tough horse.....i had a bushies theory that nature provided him with some inbuilt toughness to survive...
He gets fed like the Melb Cup fave to this day....still dribbles a lot of feed....but i give him plenty so losing a bit doesnt matter.
He could spill a bag of oats a day on the grouind and i couldnt care less...he is such a star to us he just gets whatever he needs.
 
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Great to hear old Stormy Jim is fit and well...love these old horses who race forever and how lucky is he that his owners/trainer have thanked the thrills he gave them by giving him a great after racing life. Good on you Dean....
By the way Dean, how is Benefit going? I was glad to assist you on the day of the sale and knew you were keen to try and pick up a few to have a go with. It was a tough sale to buy at but hopefully you will get great results with him.
On the subject of parrot mouths, my dad trained a ripping colt called Laconion who had a huge overshot but he could crop grass like a lawn mower. He was bred by Jack Eastgate, who raced Beau Zam, and won half a dozen races although lightly raced and very unsound. He held the 1100m track record at Caulfield for a number of years.
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Gday Ricko
Stormy Jim will be an alltime fave of ours...my first winner in Melb..and at Flem...won about 10 city races for us betwen Adelaide and Melb...great horse for us...love him like family...
 
A couple of Stormy's owners are in the Benefit crew too.
We gave Benefit a few weeks off...then commenced prepping him..only for him to get a cold about 3 weeks ago...so have him spelling for a month again..
We where going to try and snag a Vobis race with him in June or July....but scrapped the idea and decided to give him a good spell [being by Reset...time is best friend]...he will return to work late June.
Lovely little horse....happy to have him....his owners are great and happy to treat him like a longer term project and let him develop slowly.
 
You where a great help to me that day...they had you guys crammed in up there in that back corner...it was chaos trying to look at horses in that situation..
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Best of luck to those with parrot mouthed stock. Simply speaking from a commercial viewpoint I put a line through them in the catalogue. I know many others do too. There are exceptions to the rule but I'd rather not start on the back foot. 

Glad to hear about a few well looked after exceptions on this thread. Thumbs Up
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That's great to hear about Stormy Jim Dean....terrific story.
 
Glad Benefit has settled in and you guys are taking your time with him...as you say, being a Reset time won't hurt him. He was a popular little bloke and looking forward to seeing him run in your colours.
 
Was a pleasure to assist at the sale....thanks for the kind words...much appreciated.
 
Have 5 Weanlings at the GS Sale today/tomorrow and they certainly are a much harder sell. Our 3 colts have been paraded quite a bit but the 2 fillies are friendless which seems the 'trend'....really hard to fathom when fillies are so well catered for in race programming. Both nice fillies but 'no one' wants fillies???
 
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Fillies 'friendless'..
Hard to work out when Black Caviar..Atlantic Jewel..Mosheen..More Joyous... all go pretty well..
Poor Pinker Pinker was pretty handy..
 
What have you got there..i dont even look at those sales ?
 
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Yep...fillies absolutely friendless in regards to parades so far.
We have 3 Colts one each by Nicconi, Northern Meteor and Magic Albert. The Fillies are by Hidden Dragon and Red Arrow. The Red Arrow is easily the best type we have bred and a real 'racehorse'.
All 5 go into the ring tomorrow. Can be found under Shadwell Farm.
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Good luck with them mate.
Hope they sell well...and go to good homes.
Its a bloody tough gig that selling babies.
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