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He's basically the Chautauqua of Hong Kong except with a worse start. If he was to jump a few lengths better then we're talking easily Group 1 standard. His turn of foot is exceptional and you don't run those times being a donkey.
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Able Friend is the Chautauqua of HK. He is no Able Friend.

But he might get the derby distance.
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Chautauqua in the sense he flops the gates.

Able Friend can't run a trip either. This horse can get 10f they say.
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

No doubt, but do sectionals necessarily tell you a horse is looking for further?
 
 
I have loved his starts, don't get me wrong, but I just think there are days ahead where you simply cant pass every runner down the straight, especially in HK.

Has The Hawk has pointed out he will be forced into class 2 racing now. I have no doubt he will be better over further when he can tack onto the back of the field with out any effort.

It will be interesting to follow his career.

Personally I think he has been whacked up too much to 87, The form of that race suggested between 77-80. 87 is a massive whack. 

He will worth backing against next start. 


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That race just run in Honkers would have been the type of race Pakistan Star would be having his next start.

If he'd run in that race he'd have been required to carrry 55/55.5 kgs

Its not hard to imagine him running them down.

Would be interesting to see if he can come through a field as Circuit Land just did come off heels and reel them in.




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http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2024544/pauper-prince-man-behind-hong-kong-racing-sensation-pakistan-star

From pauper to prince: the man behind Hong Kong racing sensation Pakistan Star

Self-made millionaire Kerm Din looks back at his early childhood and how his life changed when he meet casino magnate Stanley Ho

PUBLISHED : Monday, 03 October, 2016, 9:41am


Nestled among the soaring residential towers of Central – some of the most expensive real estate in the world – sits an oasis of green, a time-capsule of sorts, where for more than 160 years people have prayed and lived.

Most of the busy types that pass here on Shelley Street’s Mid-Levels escalator, heads down, eyes on smartphones, scarcely know Jamia Mosque and its humble dwellings exist – but it is where self-made millionaire Kerm Din was born and raised.

Din stands at the top of the settlement’s staircase entry, in the same courtyard he played in with his six brothers and two sisters. As he looks at the small ferns pushing through the cracks of the old stone wall beside him, he remarks on how little has changed: “Everything looks the same to me after many years.”

There aren’t many rags-to-riches tales in Hong Kong racing. The cost of a Jockey Club membership and buying and racing a horse ensures that. But Din, owner of Hong Kong racing’s new sensation Pakistan Star, doesn’t mind saying he grew up poor.

“We stayed in one room and a small dining room, and at that time we didn’t have a toilet. We had to come upstairs here to use the toilet, and sometimes had to line up. I won’t forget this place, and it really makes me think you have to look forward and [aspire to be] a sportsman or businessman,” he says. “It made me think, ‘I will work hard and am going to show my mum and dad I’m going to do something.’”

Din’s father Omar emigrated from Pakistan with little more than a suitcase midway through last century, married and settled in one of the makeshift apartments just below Mosque Street. “He would bet HK$30 each Sunday,” says Din of his early racing memories. “When he lost he would tell us and when he would win he would show us the ticket.”

The escalator’s smartphone zombies might be oblivious to the mosque, but have probably heard of Din’s horse after clips of Pakistan Star’s two dramatic come-from-behind wins went viral.

Din says his sister even heard about the horse’s exploits in London’s Chinatown. “She saw someone watching the replay and said, ‘That’s my brother’s horse,’ and she got a free meal, some duck and rice,” says a delighted Din.

Even in Pakistan, where betting on racing is illegal, blogs and news sites have picked up on the story of the slow-starting, fast-finishing thoroughbred carrying the Pakistan flag’s crescent moon on the distinctive green and white silks at Sha Tin.

Yet the fluent Cantonese-speaking Din is a proud Hongkonger and he is most proud of the affinity locals have struck with the charismatic galloper. “This horse represents the can-do spirit of Hong Kong” was the sentiment of one comment in Chinese on a popular YouTube video.

Din fully endorses the unofficial “public ownership” for his overnight sensation. “I want this horse to be a working class hero. I want everyone to enjoy him,” he says.

Perhaps the most transcendent aspect of racing is when a great horse becomes a symbol of hope – and even though it is still early days for Pakistan Star, Din too can see a little bit of the Hong Kong he loves in his horse, and of his own journey too.

“We started out in a small one-room apartment, and now I have a penthouse. We worked hard, that’s the main thing, we kept looking forward and working hard. Just like this horse, we started slow, but we caught up, pushed and never gave up.”

After leaving Shelley Street as a 20-year-old, Din worked for British pest control company Rentokil earning HK$450 per month before a natural entrepreneurial streak saw him break away and start his own business.

A contract with Macau casino magnate Stanley Ho Hung-sun – himself a high-profile horse owner at one time – helped Din go to another level financially.

“First I made my first HK$100, then I made my first HK$1,000, but then when I was around 25 I was lucky, I had an office in Alexandra House which belonged to Stanley. He liked me very much and he gave me all of his business. I did business with him for nearly 20 years and everything that belonged to Stanley Ho I had the pest control contract on.”

Din now lives in a twin-level apartment in Pok Fu Lam with harbour views – it’s only a 15-minute taxi ride to Shelley Street – probably less if he drives his Maserati or two-door Bentley convertible. Even so, he hasn’t lost the common touch and last Monday he revelled in the tradition of giving lai see packets stuffed with cash to staff at trainer Tony Cruz’s stable.

“If your friend trusts you and likes you, you have to be faithful to them. Respect people, don’t try to be too smart, just try to be nice – but then, if you get a little bit of money, try to treat people the same,” is how Din describes his business philosophy.

Din has been a Jockey Club member for more than 40 years and on his mantelpiece in Pok Fu Lam are photos of him with some of the greatest characters of the professional era; trainers Patrick Biancone and Lawrie Fownes, and jockeys Eric Legrix and Gerald Mosse.

But one picture reveals the connection from the amateur era that brought Din to place his horses with Cruz. “I knew Tony’s father Johnny – he was a great jockey – from a long time ago, so Tony is who I put my horses with now,” he said.

When Din went to the Hong Kong International Sale in March this year, Cruz gave him a single horse to bid on at the auction: Lot 14. It was a lazy-looking but well-proportioned son of Shamardal, the sire of Hong Kong’s last superstar Able Friend.

“It was jumping HK$500,000 per bid. Luckily, when they got to HK$6 million the underbidder must have thought, ‘I’m not going against this guy, he is crazy,’ so he stopped there ... I would have gone to HK$8 or HK$9 million. I wouldn’t have stopped, as I only wanted one lot, Lot 14.”

Din is concerned at Pakistan Star’s rapid rise through the grades – he has risen faster than Cruz’s former champion Silent Witness had at the same stage of his career – but says he has already had the thrill of a lifetime after the horse’s second start.

Usually after the last race of the day at Sha Tin there is a rush to the exits – save for the lucky punters to have backed a winner of course – yet on September 18 there was something different in the crowd’s reaction when Pakistan Star produced one of the most memorable performances ever seen at the track. They stayed, and it wasn’t just because most of them had bet on the overwhelming favourite.

After the roller-coaster experience of watching the HK$1.70 chance miss the start again, trail the field and then loop the field for a decisive win, the delirious spectators waited as Pakistan Star walked back to scale, and were still there five minutes later, after Din had completed interviews and walked through the crowd. There was one fan that stood out to Din in the public section as he leant over the rail waving a betting ticket. He reminded him of his father.

“This guy had only had HK$50 win and HK$50 place,” Din said. “But he said to me, ‘Tonight we are going to go out and have a great dinner.’ There was something so nice about the look on his face. It was something that money cannot buy, that feeling I had that day. They usually rush to the train there, but after this race they waited for me before they went and collected the money. To se

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Social media sensation beaten for the first time


Clinton Payne - 17 Oct 2016

Trainer Tony Cruz has blamed the handicapper after Hong Kong's excitement machine Pakistan Star was beaten for the first time at Sha Tin on Sunday.

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Pakistan Star was defeated by John Moore's former smart Australian galloper Mr Bogart, ridden by Chad Schofield, in the Woodpecker Handicap (1400m).

Pakistan Star again flashed home from last but came up 2-1/2 lengths short of his third win from as many career starts when finishing second, 1-1/4 lengths clear of third placegetter Spicy Sure.

"I think the way his handicap rating went up 30 points in just two starts had a lot to do with it," Cruz told the South China Morning Post.

"This horse isn't fully mature, he is improving but still does things wrong and, when their rating rises so quickly, they have to race too soon against a higher class of competition.

"The way he races, he couldn't catch the horse on the speed at this level. To me, his performance was up to expectations.

"Mr Bogart is a good type of horse who will be out of Class Two now and Pakistan Star should get his chance to win again next time.

"We'll probably keep him at 1400m again and my opinion hasn't changed – this is still a promising, improving type of horse. I didn't give him this reputation so I'm not disappointed."

Pakistan Star ran his last 400 metres in 21.65 seconds.

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I agreed with Tony Cruz - 

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Has The Hawk has pointed out he will be forced into class 2 racing now. I have no doubt he will be better over further when he can tack onto the back of the field with out any effort.

It will be interesting to follow his career.

Personally I think he has been whacked up too much to 87, The form of that race suggested between 77-80. 87 is a massive whack. 

He will worth backing against next start. 


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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

As a punter, you have to take him on every start. $1.25 horses that miss the start by 5 lengths and have to circle the field cant keep winning......can they???
I backed Zac yesterday in the last. Best losing ride I have seen!


Giddy up. Lovely result with Mr Bogart.
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For the way the race was going to pan out and the quality of the winner I'm surprised the price Mr Bogart went around at
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I wonder if they will consider racing this guy here or Dubai in March..?
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Not sure he has that sort of ability mate
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looks good winning lower class races but put him in a G1 and he will be forever running on.
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It's weird how he can't seem to keep up early even when they aren't flying along - makes me think it's more temperamental with him.

Will always be poison for punters but as a racing fan you couldn't sack a horse of this talent off 3 career starts.
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They don't come home like this horse does. WIth a bit more maturity it will only get better and better and better.

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I think they'd be mad not to take a shot at one of the Dubai sprints over their March carnival..
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Surely it races in the Derby in March
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This is a seriously good race he is in tonight.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

This is a seriously good race he is in tonight.



Agree - wins tonight. Only 2nd time I am on him (backed at 2nd start)
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Don't think Eagle Way will jump at $15 again for a while
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horrible - sacked - never again - off to Singapore
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Originally posted by Delta Deel Delta Deel wrote:

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Does he need further? Something about him to me says 1400-1600 is his distance and 2000 will nullify the sprint. Time will tell I suppose.


The way he was off the bit for 800m of a 1400m race tells me he wants further!! Def bred to get over ground.


Still say he's no stayer.
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I think he will stay.

Get rid of all that crap on his head.

2000m will be perfect for him.




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Good point there djebel.
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Horses with that racing pattern are always popular but often beaten, especially as they get up in grade. Consequently, massive unders.
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They need the pace on to perform at their optimum best but jocks won't hand it to him on a platter.imo.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Horses with that racing pattern are always popular but often beaten, especially as they get up in grade. Consequently, massive unders.

Winx used to be a last to first type. Trained to take up a position now and braining everything. Sometimes it's a matter of re-educating the horse.
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Not sure Winx was ever re-educated or trained to take up a position, they simply new how good she was and let her do what ever she wanted.




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Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Horses with that racing pattern are always popular but often beaten, especially as they get up in grade. Consequently, massive unders.

Winx used to be a last to first type. Trained to take up a position now and braining everything. Sometimes it's a matter of re-educating the horse.
 
 
Please make that is the last time Winx and Pakistan Star are ever mentioned in the same sentence.......Shocked
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The most overated horse going around.

How do you retrain a horse that can't keep up with them over a mile exactly?
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