Pacquiao v Horn JULY 2 , Brisbane

senator pac is in town for a 1 week press tour.

who wins?

Pretty much agree macca.

this is the type of fight a 38 yr old superstar takes when his star is fading in his regular market. (USA) .

he is way ahead of horn in class and experience. being a fast southpaw helps against horn too. But he has alot of miles on the odometer...he has been a pro since he was 16 yrs old. Father time is undefeated. based on his last fight v vargas...he doesnt look there yet. still fast and reflexes are sharp.

Horn is a tricky style - he throws alot. Weird angles and has a good eye. his best asset is probably his workrate/stamina. But he is seriously flawed - he squares up alot and has a bad habit of rushing in (especially when trying to land his right hand) . he needs to catch manny flush.

pacs age is the only worry. other than that, he shouldnt have many problems with horn.

He has fought in nz quite a few times...nz promoter behind him, they have plenty of $. olympian too...he doesnt appear affected by pressure but thatmight change with this fight. Tbh, horn only has to perform well to keep his career alive with his new co promoter Toprank. If he gives manny a good fight, he will have good options and paydays afterwards.

pac will get about 10 mill...im guessing horns purse will be around 300-500k. maybe some local ppv bonuses thrown in etc. that might seem a low ball purse for a fight against pac, but again...i think this is more about opportunity. The carrot for horn is what happens after manny, should he stage an upset. $$$$$

Ticket sales higher than expected so Manny gets well over the 10 million and Horne over 1 million.
   Being a "god" in his home Country , Manny will have 90% of the Philippines viewing.
Biggest audience ever for Australian boxing event.
Horne appears to be a "big " welterweight and hopefully he won't be leading with his right so often as it leaves him off balance .    A fault that has seen him on the canvas a few times , cut eyes 3 times so his lead up form doesn't read World Champion to me .

manny and ped talk is truth

Tlazolteotl wrote: Pacquiao is gunning for a rematch with Mayweather. I know boxing fans are extremely stupid but do you think even they are dumb enough to pay for that one again?

WHY Stupid Tiaz ?

No tougher or brutal than ( say ) rugby league .

Officials being incompetent is the biggest danger , as was shown in a fatality at Ingleburn RSL.      That was disgraceful as the victim was obviously helpless long before he was killed .
Cricket had a fatality not so long ago.

This Contest on July 2nd is huge for Australia , Qld < Brisbane.
Massive world wide audience.

maccamax wrote: Tlazolteotl wrote: Pacquiao is gunning for a rematch with Mayweather. I know boxing fans are extremely stupid but do you think even they are dumb enough to pay for that one again? WHY Stupid Tiaz ? No tougher or brutal than ( say ) rugby league . Officials being incompetent is the biggest danger , as was shown in a fatality at Ingleburn RSL.      That was disgraceful as the victim was obviously helpless long before he was killed . Cricket had a fatality not so long ago. This Contest on July 2nd is huge for Australia , Qld < Brisbane. Massive world wide audience.

Passing Through wrote: No more stupid than paying money for the upcoming Mayweather v Conor McGregor circus

a farce that the nevada state athletic commission would sanction a guy with no boxing fights, other than a few amateur fights as a 16 yr old, against the best pro fighter in the world.

$$$.

Unfortunately when great boxers hit the wall they can go downhill pretty quick. Roy Jones Jnr went from the best pound for pound fighter in the world to a fellow who couldn't beat time with a stick. Lost one fight in 15 years & then lost 7 of his next 12 including Danny Green. Sad

oneonesit wrote: Unfortunately when great boxers hit the wall they can go downhill pretty quick. Roy Jones Jnr went from the best pound for pound fighter in the world to a fellow who couldn't beat time with a stick. Lost one fight in 15 years & then lost 7 of his next 12 including Danny Green. Sad

very true. you get old overnight in boxing & father time is undefeated. pac has many miles on his odometer...turned pro at 16 yrs old, 67 fights later...

if he half arsed it in camp for this fight, horn has a slight chance. horn is a big welter and has good stamina and an awkward style.

the problems with horn - he has glaring flaws. doesnt catch or block punches with his gloves (relies on slipping, movement), keeps his hands low, squares up and rushes in to close distance.

i think his team also did him no favors by relying on one sparring partner - czar amonsot. he used 2 amateur kids for a few days prior to that. he should have had a rotation of guys from overseas. in saying that...topank and wildcard look to have done the same - manny sparred with a few no name filos and up n coming 12-0 aussie george kambosos - a lightweight.

if the manny of his last fight turns up, he will light horn up. easy work. if he has slipped and had a lousy camp...horn is good enough to atleast compete with him.

This fight has a stench to it. My feeling is that Manny is here for a retirement cheque and has barely trained for this fight. His dedication to the sport is surely on the decline after fighting for the best part of 2 decades. In ordinary circumstances, Horn would be completely out of his depth. But as Golovkin would says, "this is boxing....big drama show". The drama that I can see unfolding here is that Manny is sloppy and walks onto a nice right hand. Manny is then stopped, walks away with $10m+ and rides off into the sunset. Horn becomes the world's richest school teacher over night. Manny have the desire left for this game? I doubt it. Sugar Shame Mosley did the old 1-2 after being retired by Mundane. Roy Jones barely threw a punch against Green in a 1st round knockout. Notice the theme? Fighters come here to pick up the cheque and because Australia isn't part of the boxing conciousness, a loss here wouldn't carry the same gravitas as Vegas, NY or even London.

Do you have a credible source for this supposed 5kg weight loss?

Pacman $1.24
Green Hornet $5.60
Draw $36

For mine there are 3 Manny's.

Heading off to Suncorp Stadium on Sunday with a great bunch of mates including a few former Maroons!

Our tickets are right in front of the action.

Can't wait for the showdown!