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    Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 10:56am
No matter how they try to dress this it is just bad.
I think the troubles of the world take a back seat, this time.
No wonder the troubles start, anywhere, when there are people like this in charge. 
And, dare i say it,but, watching media watch, and its explanation of how the world was duped, through government, and then the media, no wonder the world has ISIS and other terrorist groups.
There are some complete incompetents in charge.

Northern Territory juvenile detention: ABC air scenes likened to Abu Graib

ABC shows footage of teenagers beaten, hooded and restrained in Darwin detention centre and within hours 3,000 people sign petition for an inquiry 
 Malcolm Turnbull announces royal commission

Teenager hooded and shackled to chair
 A teenage detainee is shackled and hooded in a chair at the Don Dale youth detention centre in Darwin, in footage shown on the ABC’s Four Corners program. Photograph: ABC TV

 in Darwin

The chief minister of the Northern Territory will seek advice on establishing a royal commission into the treatment of children in juvenile detention, after calls from lawyers acting for a number of youths whose shocking experience was shown on the ABC’s Four Corners program in Australia on Monday night.

The program revealed shocking vision of instances of apparent abuse of teenage detainees and examined long running issues and instances of mistreatment in the Northern Territory youth justice system. CCTV footage showed the restraint and spit-hooding of one youth, as well as another being stripped and physically held down by guards on more than one occasion.

In a scene the Four Corners presenter Sarah Ferguson compared with images from Guantánamo Bay or the Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad, 17-year-old Dylan Voller – who was featured repeatedly in the show suffering apparent mistreatment at the hands of guards – was shown hooded and tied in a restraint chair for two hours.

The chairs are among items recently including in a widened list of “approved restraints” under laws passed by the NT government.

Within a couple of hours of the show ending, more than 3,000 people had signeda petition calling for a royal commission.

Late on Monday night NT chief minister Adam Giles said he would seek advice on establishing a royal commission and hoped the process could begin before the government enters caretaker period before the 27 August election.

He said he was “shocked and disgusted” by the program, that “a community is judged by the way it treats its children and serious questions were raised”.

But he added: “Equally the Northern Territory government does not resile from its tough approach to those who don’t want to respect other people’s property or safety.”

Giles said he had asked the NT police commissioner to consider if the highlighted incidents were “in accordance” with the power of custodial officers, and indicated it would be expected any breach of the law would be “pursued rigorously”.

“I have full confidence in the majority of custodial officers working in Northern Territory’s institutions,” he said. “They have a challenging and difficult job, one that not many people wish to do.”

O’Brien solicitors, which is representing two youths in a suit against the NT government for assault, battery and unlawful imprisonment, said the abuse was “chronic and appears systemic”.

“A royal commission into the treatment of children in Northern Territory detention is essential to determine the extent and impact of the abuse, to determine why this abuse was allowed to occur, and who knew about it,” Peter O’Brien said.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander justice commissioner Mick Gooda called for the federal government to sack the NT government.

— Mick Gooda (@MickGooda)July 25, 2016

The Federal Government has to intervene and sack the NT Government

The Red Cross expressed concern that the system was not reforming juvenile detainees but instead “setting them up for a lifetime of crime”.

“The justice system needs urgent review, both for the safety of children in detention, but also the long-term safety of our communities,” said Red Cross community services director Kerry McGrath.

“Research has shown that incarcerating young people for non-violent and non-serious crimes is detrimental for the individual and makes it harder for them to reintegrate into society.”

Human rights commissioner Gillian Triggs told the ABC’s Q&A program on Monday the juvenile detainees were “out of sight and out of mind in the Northern Territory in these detention centres”.

Coalition MP Craig Laundy, an assistant minister, told the program he was horrified and would be speaking to the prime minister and relevant ministers about what the federal government could do.

Ken Wyatt, a federal MP and assistant minister for health, said he was “angry, stunned and ashamed” that such treatment could occur in Australia.

— Ken Wyatt MP (@KenWyattMP)July 25, 2016

I am angry, stunned and ashamed that this is happening in our Country and those responsible must be held accountable.

Despite the horror expressed at the newly revealed footage, details of the incidents having been in the public domain for some time, and legal groups have been pushing for action for years.

Much of the ABC program focused on a 2014 incident falsely described at the time as a “riot”, in which a number of youths were teargassed. The aftermath included the use of restraints, hoods, and the unlawful transfer of a minor to an adult prison. Before the incident the teenage boys had been held in isolation for between six and 17 days. One boy escaped from his cell into another part of the prison, but the public and media were told in the aftermath that a group had broken out.

Teargas was sprayed 10 times into the small room, and guards were overheard laughing and threatening detainees. The incident was the subject of a damning inquiry by the NT children’s commissioner. Another report by former prison boss Michael Vita, commissioned by the government, found the response “justified” but was also critical, and found the system to be in “a climate of daily crisis”.

John Elferink, the NT attorney general, minister for justice, minister for corrections, minister for children and families, and minister for health, continued to defend his role overseeing the justice system. He told the ABC he had not seen a number of the videos until recently, including one which caught a guard saying “I’ll pulverise the kisser” about one detainee.

A full transcript of the recorded conversation and that statement was included in a report made available to government last year, and was also widely reported.

Last week the Making Justice Work campaign – a coalition of social service and justice groups – released its list of six “asks” for the upcoming NT election. Among their priorities was the establishment of a specialist youth court in Alice Springs, to replicate one already established in Darwin and which the group said had had success.

Elferink, who is not contesting his seat in August, rejected the suggestion, telling Guardian Australia there were no plans in place. He accused the Labor opposition of relying on the advice of the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency (Naaja) “to prevent anti-criminalisation legislation being passed in parliament”.

“Labor’s approach, supported by Naaja, will be to keep criminals out of custody,” he said.

He has previously dismissed criticism of the treatment of juvenile detainees by pointing to a “core” group of youths at the centre of incidents, suggesting they should not be treated as children because some were “grown men essentially”.

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The goverments duped the media who then reported the "weapons of mass distruction".

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If you hav'nt seen 4 corners do yourself a favour, and then it may be understood why the world is what it is.
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Creepy. NT is a strange place.
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And people want to defund the ABC. Brilliant journalism. Again.
Malcolm Turnbull might want to add a Royal Commission into Nauru as well, or do asylum seekers not count?
What hope do these indigenous kids have when treated by authority like that? No racism in this country is there......

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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

And people want to defund the ABC. Brilliant journalism. Again.
Malcolm Turnbull might want to add a Royal Commission into Nauru as well, or do asylum seekers not count?
What hope do these indigenous kids have when treated by authority like that? No racism in this country is there......



Bigot,

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is racism in every country.

There is also abuse of power in every country.

Prisons in Africa, Asia and South America are terrible.
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So that makes it right?
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

So that makes it right?


That's the real world. You're a lefty bigot out of touch with the real world.

Crying racism everytime solves nothing.


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I will take that on board. Thanks for setting me straight.
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SUB..     Don't get conned .
  For a start your mention of Nauru is absurd .     The centre in Nauru  is open and free to come & go as the detainees wish.        If Nauru is good enough for it's own residents , it is more than sufficient for refugees who have in fact found safety from wherever they supposedly fled in fear for their lives.
 
    The Royal Commission & the alleged bad treatments of these young people in The NT appears to be a replay of more than one Royal Commissions that was held into the Schedule 5  Mental Asylums , some 60 years  ago .
    The famous "Straight Jacket "  type restraint and unsightly handling of inmates was top of the agenda , way back then .
     Remember , staff didn't have the luxury of chemical restraint and mechanical aids of today.
 That being said ,    Not a lot came out of those Royal Commissions but over time , the incorrigible inmates have been dumped into society to murder and plunder .     That continues today.
  Daniel Morcombe ,    Mrs Morse , Anita Cobby  ,Jill Meagher  and thousands of others have lost their lives over the total disregard for Public safety in allowing these Psychopaths on the Streets.
  Spare a thought for the difficulty in trying to control these gangs in detention.
  Staff , visitors and other inmates lose their lives at the hands of these very difficult people.
 This will do great damage around the World for Australia when in fact , the majority of these people will only go on to worse things .
   I may add ,       Even our emergency areas in many Hospital are now forced to employ Security  guards .      Nurses & paramedics are assaulted on a Regular basis,  some    lose their lives .
  DON"T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS ..     Think of the welfare of your own nearest & dearest  at the hands of these totally out of control people  if they  aren't kept under control.
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waiting for the ridiculous arguments that were seen here when blacks in America were shot by racist, thug cops,   Aboriginals commit more crimes and have a large percentage in prison compared to their numbers.  Conclusion, they deserve whatever treatmment is meted out Ouch


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macca, I think you need to watch what you're commenting on:

http://abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2016/07/25/4504895.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/four-corners-evidence-of-kids-tear-gas-in-don-dale-prison/7656128
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I'm always amazed that things like this are conveniently recorded for our viewing pleasure...why on earth was this being recorded in the first place..?
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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

I'm always amazed that things like this are conveniently recorded for our viewing pleasure...why on earth was this being recorded in the first place..?


Big brother is always watching. This has been well known for a while now. Koori Mail ran front page headlines on children being gassed in September last year, and the paper was lamenting why nobody seemed to care. Thankfully now they do.

96 percent of these kids were indigenous. We have a problem in this country. When prominent indigenous leaders tell us these things, let's start listening. Why does it take mainstream news for anyone to care?
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

macca, I think you need to watch what you're commenting on:

http://abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2016/07/25/4504895.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/four-corners-evidence-of-kids-tear-gas-in-don-dale-prison/7656128
 
     Yes Gay3 .      looks terrible when dressed up for the media .
 If we watched the victims of these inmates and the heartaches THEY  endured after the crimes against them ,   we would be more understanding of how difficult it is  for the staff who have to look after them ,  subdue & restrain them in their uncontrollable rampages .
 
  I actually worked in the Health System for 48 years .     I spent  years in some of the worst areas of the Psychiatric System.      Not a pleasant area and I understand why they now can't get staff to work there .
 
   I'm not condoning torture but I am saying for people to realise how hard it is to manage violent situations in these areas.  
   The ABC must have had this story for years .   I wonder why they took so long.
 
   The alternative to isolating these people is to accept more  Rape & murder in our Streets. 
   
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

I'm always amazed that things like this are conveniently recorded for our viewing pleasure...why on earth was this being recorded in the first place..?


Big brother is always watching. This has been well known for a while now. Koori Mail ran front page headlines on children being gassed in September last year, and the paper was lamenting why nobody seemed to care. Thankfully now they do.

96 percent of these kids were indigenous. We have a problem in this country. When prominent indigenous leaders tell us these things, let's start listening. Why does it take mainstream news for anyone to care?


As soon as these guards started recording they must have known that it could be used as evidence against them and they could go to jail, so why do it, torture and mistreatment like this is nearly always done in secret and isolation with no one watching so why was it all conveniently captured like a reality tv show..?? just weird imo..

one guy even questions is the camera recording, make sure it is he says, the one with the cameras says yeah it's recording..again bizarre behaviors by men doing something they knew was wrong..Ouch

 
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True. Maybe they thought nobody would care?
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Fiddles ...     They would be recording the behaviour of many .    For the Senior Staff .    4 Corners would be doing a huge edit .       Truth be known that kid who had the re strain on his arms had stabbed someone just before and was spitting at everyone ..  ( hood over head.)
   You won't see the bad behaviour or life threatening antics of the out of control inmates.
  Royal Commission or not ,  nothing will come of this over time .      There is no alternative , short of execution .          probably the best option.
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Fiddles ...     They would be recording the behaviour of many .    For the Senior Staff .    4 Corners would be doing a huge edit .       Truth be known that kid who had the re strain on his arms had stabbed someone just before and was spitting at everyone ..  ( hood over head.)
   You won't see the bad behaviour or life threatening antics of the out of control inmates.
  Royal Commission or not ,  nothing will come of this over time .      There is no alternative , short of execution .          probably the best option.



and there we have it, ther first apologist for the brutal behaviour, took longer than I thought

If you treated your chihuahuas like that the RSPCA would be down on you like a ton of bricks
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Fiddles ...     They would be recording the behaviour of many .    For the Senior Staff .    4 Corners would be doing a huge edit .       Truth be known that kid who had the re strain on his arms had stabbed someone just before and was spitting at everyone ..  ( hood over head.)
   You won't see the bad behaviour or life threatening antics of the out of control inmates.
  Royal Commission or not ,  nothing will come of this over time .      There is no alternative , short of execution .          probably the best option.



and there we have it, ther first apologist for the brutal behaviour, took longer than I thought

If you treated your chihuahuas like that the RSPCA would be down on you like a ton of bricks
 
   Whale .     I'm known for my kindness in fact...         I'm only pointing out the massive problems involved in dealing with maniacs and dangerous behaviour .        Other people and staff have to be protected.
    Whatever it takes is acceptable to me,  but I'm only too willing to organise for you to sponsor and take a couple of these "kids" to your place .    That way you are entitled to criticise.
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ld argument don't dicuss anything unless you have first hand experience, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.


They can be restrained if needs be without brutalising them, not a difficult concept to grasp
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

I'm always amazed that things like this are conveniently recorded for our viewing pleasure...why on earth was this being recorded in the first place..?


Big brother is always watching. This has been well known for a while now. Koori Mail ran front page headlines on children being gassed in September last year, and the paper was lamenting why nobody seemed to care. Thankfully now they do.

96 percent of these kids were indigenous. We have a problem in this country. When prominent indigenous leaders tell us these things, let's start listening. Why does it take mainstream news for anyone to care?


What about the 4% of white kids. Or is it only "black lives matter"?
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ld argument don't dicuss anything unless you have first hand experience, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.


They can be restrained if needs be without brutalising them, not a difficult concept to grasp
 
  I said in an earlier post I had worked in the System.       I'm probably one of few still alive who was there prior to the Anti- Psychotic , tranquiliser , anti depressant drugs.
   You are kidding yourself when you say it isn't difficult to restrain these people .      That's exactly what these officers were doing ,    using wrist restraints .    Hood .       To protect the person and others.
  2 nurses were stabbed doing exactly that at Bloomfield Hospital Orange NSW 2 years ago . One died .
 Another Nurse in a remote area was murdered last year.
 
   I love these Politicians =   Juvenile Justice hahahaha wonderful words.
 We must protect these children and rehabilitate them .  Ho Ho    Turn rabbits into elephants would be easier in too many cases.
   First off ,   get families to send them to school.
   Early intervention they say .     >>    Then get sued for a stolen generation.
  Take some film of the family units in these places for a real horror film .
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That bloke in the picture in the first post looks white to me ?  So why has the black versus white thing come into it  ?  Again .
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

macca, I think you need to watch what you're commenting on:

http://abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2016/07/25/4504895.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/four-corners-evidence-of-kids-tear-gas-in-don-dale-prison/7656128
 
     Yes Gay3 .      looks terrible when dressed up for the media .
 If we watched the victims of these inmates and the heartaches THEY  endured after the crimes against them ,   we would be more understanding of how difficult it is  for the staff who have to look after them ,  subdue & restrain them in their uncontrollable rampages .
 
  I actually worked in the Health System for 48 years .     I spent  years in some of the worst areas of the Psychiatric System.      Not a pleasant area and I understand why they now can't get staff to work there .
 
   I'm not condoning torture but I am saying for people to realise how hard it is to manage violent situations in these areas.  
   The ABC must have had this story for years .   I wonder why they took so long.
 
   The alternative to isolating these people is to accept more  Rape & murder in our Streets. 
   


There's still no excuse for treating 10 & 14yos as depicted i.e 3 hefty males who are also martial arts fighters, throwing themselves on jockey sized kids to strip them naked or throwing them across a cell onto a mattress, from shoulder height Angry
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That bloke in the picture in the first post looks white to me ?  So why has the black versus white thing come into it  ?  Again .
 
 
    He might have done a Stan Grant and used paint AA.
 
Don't you love it .    peoples homes getting Burgled ,  Their cars stolen and wrecked , Muggings and rapes .    murder at times and what these ravers on the news today will achieve is to make sure all that continues.
  These criminals  are easier for authorities on the Streets,    than in the Gaols .
 
 In detention they wreck the furnishings ,   crash holes into walls and the staff ,   behave in an assaultive manner and when brought to earth ,      WE COMPLAIN .
 
 Don't complain,       ADOPT A COUPLE OF THESE KIDS
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SEEms the inDefensable does not existt on this forum , every aborent action has it's defedars
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote maccamax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 2016 at 2:45pm
Reality is the right word Sherrif.
 
    10 to 14 year olds wandering the Streets at 2 am ,       damaging / stealing cars ,  holding the aged and infirm in terror ,    gang assaults .     all that's OK is it.
   Officers are assaulted daily and on occasions killed.
 How would you " cryers "  deal with Ivan Milat when he was a fit and violent youth .     Ivans Nephew who murdered at age 17 .        Buy him ice creams and chocolates I expect .  
    Get real,     These tapes aren't shown in full so you aren't getting a true picture .
 
  Deaths in Custody Royal Commission was another waste of the tax payer dollar.
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pathetic Macca, they are all Ivan Milats   ?
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