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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

pathetic Macca, they are all Ivan Milats   ?
 
   The Kids in NT  are the extreme of an example ,  the same as the Milat family.
 
   I respect  your opinions ,       mine is from experience and while I don't agree with any form of unnecessary or brutal acts ,    There are regular occasions when life & limb are  in danger and that results in such reactions .
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

pathetic Macca, they are all Ivan Milats   ?
 
   The Kids in NT  are the extreme of an example ,  the same as the Milat family.
 
   I respect  your opinions ,       mine is from experience and while I don't agree with any form of unnecessary or brutal acts ,    There are regular occasions when life & limb are  in danger and that results in such reactions .


that is all I am saying and there are plenty of such acts being covered up
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

I'm always amazed that things like this are conveniently recorded for our viewing pleasure...why on earth was this being recorded in the first place..?


Big brother is always watching. This has been well known for a while now. Koori Mail ran front page headlines on children being gassed in September last year, and the paper was lamenting why nobody seemed to care. Thankfully now they do.

96 percent of these kids were indigenous. We have a problem in this country. When prominent indigenous leaders tell us these things, let's start listening. Why does it take mainstream news for anyone to care?


What about the 4% of white kids. Or is it only "black lives matter"?
 
 
That is hands down the stupidest thing I have read, and it's a pretty substantial list.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

pathetic Macca, they are all Ivan Milats   ?

 
   The Kids in NT  are the extreme of an example ,  the same as the Milat family.
 
   I respect  your opinions ,       mine is from experience and while I don't agree with any form of unnecessary or brutal acts ,    There are regular occasions when life & limb are  in danger and that results in such reactions .


Domestic violence is 25 times more likely in native communities.

The left would rather blame Eddie or Steve.

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The problem appears to have always been anecdotally in correctional centres where there is a high indigenous population, and this footage seems to confirm that. 

Of course, we don't have any footage of the actions of these "good boys from good homes" that brought them through the justice system to be where they are today.  

It has been reported that the local victims of their continuous destructive crimes are generally unconcerned by what treatment they receive, as none of it seems to act as a deterrent.

I have no first hand knowledge of what happens on the ground in theses areas, apart from what I have read or been told by visitors.

Accordingly, I'm happy to acquiesce to the knowledge of WHALE on this one, if you do indeed live in Broome, you are entitled to comment, being that you are part of a community which is 24% indigenous. 

You may not have had a Muslim Refugee since the 1800's, but you can shed some light on these issues for us, I would imagine ...
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

waiting for the ridiculous arguments that were seen here when blacks in America were shot by racist, thug cops,   Aboriginals commit more crimes and have a large percentage in prison compared to their numbers.  Conclusion, they deserve whatever treatmment is meted out Ouch




Police shoot white people but doesnt get the media coverage.

The parents of the natives are too blame. They failed to raise their kids with respect.
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     It takes a long and serious history of crime to finish up in Gaol.     An isolation in itself .
  Continued violent behaviour within that System invariably results in further isolation to a room / cell .
  Usually for the protection of the offender, Staff  and other inmates.
 
  I assume these videos are taken by order of the Senior Staff at that gaol ,    as evidence in serious incidence .
  Very easy for Four Corners to edit them to form an out of context picture to suit their story.
  I'm sure you would see a totally different story if the videos were shown in full .
    Give some thought to the victims of the crimes that put these incorrigibles into prison .
 
   We hear every day how bad Police are targeting traffic offences.
  Some of us have been driving for more than 50 years and never lost a point.
   Follow the laws and you won't have any problems .
 
  Whale has given us many places of residence over the years Dr E.  He lives under a rock somewhere.
 
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No cane
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Who is going to discipline these kids?
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     It takes a long and serious history of crime to finish up in Gaol.     An isolation in itself .
  Continued violent behaviour within that System invariably results in further isolation to a room / cell .
  Usually for the protection of the offender, Staff  and other inmates.
 
  I assume these videos are taken by order of the Senior Staff at that gaol ,    as evidence in serious incidence .
  Very easy for Four Corners to edit them to form an out of context picture to suit their story.
  I'm sure you would see a totally different story if the videos were shown in full .
    Give some thought to the victims of the crimes that put these incorrigibles into prison .
 
   We hear every day how bad Police are targeting traffic offences.
  Some of us have been driving for more than 50 years and never lost a point.
   Follow the laws and you won't have any problems .
 
  Whale has given us many places of residence over the years Dr E.  He lives under a rock somewhere.
 

Interesting you should say that, and makes sense.

Whilst he is quick to deride anyone else's comments that are not aligned to the insular world of the Marxist left Wingnuts, he actually has nothing to contribute on any subject? 

I would imagine that Broome would have similar issues to the ones in this post, and you're right, he doesn't seem to have anything, certainly not what one would expect from even a partially functioning community member ...

 
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[QUOTE=maccamax]      It takes a long and serious history of crime to finish up in Gaol.     An isolation in itself .
  Continued violent behaviour within that System invariably results in further isolation to a room / cell .
  Usually for the protection of the offender, Staff  and other inmates.
 
  I assume these videos are taken by order of the Senior Staff at that gaol ,    as evidence in

Interesting you should say that, and makes sense.

Whilst he is quick to deride anyone else's comments that are not aligned to the insular world of the Marxist left Wingnuts, he actually has nothing to contribute on any subject? 

I would imagine that Broome would have similar issues to the ones in this post, and you're right, he doesn't seem to have anything, certainly not what one would expect from even a partially functioning community member ...

 



yolu are  deranged with your obsession with the left. There is outrage everywhere over what was seen on 4 corners last night, that well know Marxist Malcolm Turnbull is calling a Royal cCommission and this is the best you can do, truly pathetic
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Meanwhile the banking industry is rubbing its hands with glee.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

pathetic Macca, they are all Ivan Milats   ?

 
   The Kids in NT  are the extreme of an example ,  the same as the Milat family.
 
   I respect  your opinions ,       mine is from experience and while I don't agree with any form of unnecessary or brutal acts ,    There are regular occasions when life & limb are  in danger and that results in such reactions .


you previously said you agree with whatever it takes to restrain these kids. what didnt you agree with in regards to the footage we saw?
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

ld argument don't dicuss anything unless you have first hand experience, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.


They can be restrained if needs be without brutalising them, not a difficult concept to grasp
 
  I said in an earlier post I had worked in the System.       I'm probably one of few still alive who was there prior to the Anti- Psychotic , tranquiliser , anti depressant drugs.
   You are kidding yourself when you say it isn't difficult to restrain these people .      That's exactly what these officers were doing ,    using wrist restraints .    Hood .       To protect the person and others.
  2 nurses were stabbed doing exactly that at Bloomfield Hospital Orange NSW 2 years ago . One died .
 Another Nurse in a remote area was murdered last year.
 
   I love these Politicians =   Juvenile Justice hahahaha wonderful words.
 We must protect these children and rehabilitate them .  Ho Ho    Turn rabbits into elephants would be easier in too many cases.
   First off ,   get families to send them to school.
   Early intervention they say .     >>    Then get sued for a stolen generation.
  Take some film of the family units in these places for a real horror film .

I haven't seen all the footage so can't comment on other events, but I know that hoods are used on those inmates who are known to spit at correctional staff.

If it was my loved one working in that field I'd rather them use a hood to safeguard against communicable diseases being caught from a spitting inmate than worry about how bad something may look when not assessed in context.

Wrist restraints are used on those who have become a danger to themselves (e.g. threatening to break their own hand), and others.

No doubt it's a confronting image, but some form of control needs to be applied for the physical safety of the inmate and the staff.
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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

pathetic Macca, they are all Ivan Milats   ?

 
   The Kids in NT  are the extreme of an example ,  the same as the Milat family.
 
   I respect  your opinions ,       mine is from experience and while I don't agree with any form of unnecessary or brutal acts ,    There are regular occasions when life & limb are  in danger and that results in such reactions .


you previously said you agree with whatever it takes to restrain these kids. what didnt you agree with in regards to the footage we saw?
 
  A good Question .      One has to accept we are only seeing what four corners wants us to see.
  If the Youths on the receiving end here had just badly damaged some other person ,   an eye for an eye is fair enough .      The hood is used as they spit their HIV or HEP  infested fluids at others.
  The hands were fastened to prevent self mutilation or danger to others , remembering ( we are only seeing the end of what was probably a very serious incident )
  It will all come out and be a fizzer .    Behave with no consideration for the welfare of others  , Do the time and stop complaining.    Your dealings with dangerous humans here you know.
  Would you walk into that area with that wonderful youth smashing walls and windows , armed with a bar and mad with rage. ???           I wouldn't either , I'd mace him big time first.
 
   I ask you for comment ;     They are demanding the closure of that Gaol , stating the youths involved are /will be , back in the community .
  EXACTLY the same as they did with the Killers of Jill Meagher, Danny Morcombe  & so many others.
 There is no in between in such situations.
 
  Would you close it and send these incorrigibles  back into the community.
The Public can't have it both ways .   
 
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

The problem appears to have always been anecdotally in correctional centres where there is a high indigenous population, and this footage seems to confirm that. 

Of course, we don't have any footage of the actions of these "good boys from good homes" that brought them through the justice system to be where they are today.  

It has been reported that the local victims of their continuous destructive crimes are generally unconcerned by what treatment they receive, as none of it seems to act as a deterrent.

I have no first hand knowledge of what happens on the ground in theses areas, apart from what I have read or been told by visitors.

Accordingly, I'm happy to acquiesce to the knowledge of WHALE on this one, if you do indeed live in Broome, you are entitled to comment, being that you are part of a community which is 24% indigenous. 

You may not have had a Muslim Refugee since the 1800's, but you can shed some light on these issues for us, I would imagine ...

Come on Whale - tell us of your first hand experiences ...
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Or are you just all talk and "internet knowledge", like all of your other good socialist comrades? ... just like your position on muslims immigrants ... never met one of them either ...?
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lol you get worse and more stupid. Do you have 1st hand experience in every subject you discuss. What is a left winger and are all those people outraged by the brutality left wingers ?
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lol you get worse and more stupid. Do you have 1st hand experience in every subject you discuss. What is a left winger and are all those people outraged by the brutality left wingers ?

I'll be outraged, if it's appropriate ... when I have all the facts.

I won't become hysterical when a TV program from the ALP Propaganda machine selectively airs some tape they have held for months, on the eve of the NT election ... wake up Australia!!!

4 Corners ... same stable as Q&A (who just brought us the Muslim Victim Mr Elomar, who turned out to be an anti - semite, anti - Capitalism hate monger planted to ambush an elected conservative political representative!) ... less scruples than 60 minutes, and they do it using MY FCUCKING MONEY AGAIN!!! ... pleeez!Ermm   
 
... and unlike the whack jobs from the left, who so often push their academic ideologies upon us, I prefer to speak on subjects that I DO have knowledge and experience of.

That's why I offered you the opportunity here, being that you claim you are in "Broome" ...?

You certainly have NOT let me down ... nfi Dead 
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He is a whale. Just not the kind you thought.
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Good to see him elevating himself to insults.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

lol you get worse and more stupid. Do you have 1st hand experience in every subject you discuss. What is a left winger and are all those people outraged by the brutality left wingers ?

I'll be outraged, if it's appropriate ... when I have all the facts.

I won't become hysterical when a TV program from the ALP Propaganda machine selectively airs some tape they have held for months, on the eve of the NT election ... wake up Australia!!!

4 Corners ... same stable as Q&A (who just brought us the Muslim Victim Mr Elomar, who turned out to be an anti - semite, anti - Capitalism hate monger planted to ambush an elected conservative political representative!) ... less scruples than 60 minutes, and they do it using MY FCUCKING MONEY AGAIN!!! ... pleeez!Ermm   
 
... and unlike the whack jobs from the left, who so often push their academic ideologies upon us, I prefer to speak on subjects that I DO have knowledge and experience of.

That's why I offered you the opportunity here, being that you claim you are in "Broome" ...?

You certainly have NOT let me down ... nfi Dead 
 
 
Gainfully employed. Hmmmmm
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settle down Dr E, I can see the vein trobbing in your forehead,  You certainly are one angry man
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 nfi Dead 
 
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settle down Dr E, I can see the vein trobbing in your forehead,  You certainly are one angry man
Must be encouraging to see the resident expert on everything, subbie, jump to your assistance ...Wink

Come on Whale, give us some pearls of wisdom from your vast experiences ...


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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

pathetic Macca, they are all Ivan Milats   ?

 
   The Kids in NT  are the extreme of an example ,  the same as the Milat family.
 
   I respect  your opinions ,       mine is from experience and while I don't agree with any form of unnecessary or brutal acts ,    There are regular occasions when life & limb are  in danger and that results in such reactions .


you previously said you agree with whatever it takes to restrain these kids. what didnt you agree with in regards to the footage we saw?
 
  A good Question .      One has to accept we are only seeing what four corners wants us to see.
  If the Youths on the receiving end here had just badly damaged some other person ,   an eye for an eye is fair enough .      The hood is used as they spit their HIV or HEP  infested fluids at others.
  The hands were fastened to prevent self mutilation or danger to others , remembering ( we are only seeing the end of what was probably a very serious incident )
  It will all come out and be a fizzer .    Behave with no consideration for the welfare of others  , Do the time and stop complaining.    Your dealings with dangerous humans here you know.
  Would you walk into that area with that wonderful youth smashing walls and windows , armed with a bar and mad with rage. ???           I wouldn't either , I'd mace him big time first.
 
   I ask you for comment ;     They are demanding the closure of that Gaol , stating the youths involved are /will be , back in the community .
  EXACTLY the same as they did with the Killers of Jill Meagher, Danny Morcombe  & so many others.
 There is no in between in such situations.
 
  Would you close it and send these incorrigibles  back into the community.
The Public can't have it both ways .   
 
You are all over this maccamax, and speaking from experience, knowledge and understandingClap 

Any way you can reduce it to 3 word slogans for subbie and whale ...?Embarrassed
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Sarcasm becomes you   not.  you are the resident expert on all topics, I simply saw a programme on Four Corners, the best investigative programme on Australian TV and was disgusted.   Most people had the same reaction, I am not dispensing any wisdom or answers, nothing at all unusual, boastful or insughful about my reaction, I implied nothing of the sort  It bothers you though doesn't it,   strange that Confused
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I see you frothing at the mouth, furiously banging away at your reply, sorry but I gotta go out, have fun Dr E Wink
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