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the member for murdoch shouting that labors nbn would cost 73 bill. thats a bargain!! turdbull was telling all that labors plan would cost 94 bill.

fraudband is an absolute horror. and murdochs cronies have already said fttp was a direct threat to foxtel.

turnbull wipes the nbn co board clean and appoints who to head it now?...the ceo of that wonderfully successful and revolutionary telco vodafone!!! ....the biggest basket case company in oz. epic fail on so many levels.

who voted these clowns in? seriously, if you arent a north shore toff, you need certifying.
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i love it how those that support fttp do not have the intelligence to know how to use it.

it is like they expect some magical world that fast broadband will provide. 

and when you ask them what 1gb sppeds will provide to the common person, the answer is that it is has not been thought of yet.

start pushing for high speed rail on every metro train station and tell me what that would bring?
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The problem is that we are number 42 on the list of internet speeds behind Mongolia. Labor had a plan to project us to the fastest in the world 40 times faster than now. The LNP Turnbull back-peddle plan will give us the same speed we have now but a wider distribution. We are going backward fast and it is to pay off Rupert for delivering us this crap govt
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i realise that you are struggling with this concept but i will say it again,.

labor had no plan. they had a dream that they propogated into a lie.

they ahd already been told by nbn co that it was not going to happen and they new it was political suicide to admit it. all the figures that you have come up with on the nbn co are wrong. massively wrong. the expected revenues massively wrong, the cost massively wrong, the work that had been completed massively wrong, the future massively wrong, the time it would take to compete massively wrong. 

like i said before, keep holding onto that lie. if it makes you feel special to believe in that lie then dont let go of it. 

we wnat faster broadband and that is what we will get. i will be more than happy to get into turnbull if the new figures and targets he puts forward are not met or exceeded. then he will have no excuses.

this government is working harder and better than i could of imagined. great to see. 


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So sayeth the Liberal Party propaganda machine, and everything they say is turning out the truth, isn't it? 
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How would we be travelling if we had stuck to dial-up?

The technology is advancing at express rate, but Turnbull is locking us into current speeds for at least the next 10 years. Idiotic 
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exactly. now you are starting to get it. 

the truth is that the labor nbn co was a mess. 

the truth is we have a plan in place.

the truth is that you were never going to get what you wanted and you would of been busy trying to come up with why labor changed their plan if they had been elected. pity the got smashed 90 seats to 50. only just.

the truth is that the liberal party is methodically going through the portfolios of importance, treasury, education, comunications and infrastructure and the first step of planing is to work out where you are and then you can work out where you want to be.

they are methodically doing this and we will spend the first 6 months of 2014 seeing the plans in place to set this country up. 

buy some shares while they are cheap. the santa claus rally always happens after the second week of december and it is time to get in. 
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Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

i realise that you are struggling with this concept but i will say it again,.

labor had no plan. they had a dream that they propogated into a lie.

they ahd already been told by nbn co that it was not going to happen and they new it was political suicide to admit it. all the figures that you have come up with on the nbn co are wrong. massively wrong. the expected revenues massively wrong, the cost massively wrong, the work that had been completed massively wrong, the future massively wrong, the time it would take to compete massively wrong. 

like i said before, keep holding onto that lie. if it makes you feel special to believe in that lie then dont let go of it. 

we wnat faster broadband and that is what we will get. i will be more than happy to get into turnbull if the new figures and targets he puts forward are not met or exceeded. then he will have no excuses.

this government is working harder and better than i could of imagined. great to see. 



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It's not about targets It is about building the infrastructure to carry us over the next 50 years. Labor was pointed in that direction Turnbull, the Minister for Rupert, is aiming us at yesterday.
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Malcolm Turnbull guilty of 'greatest con job ever put to the Australian public', says RMIT lecturer

Updated Thu 12 Dec 2013, 9:17pm AEDT

RMIT lecturer Dr Mark Gregory says everyone in the telecommunications industry already knew all the issues Malcolm Turnbull now claims have only just been discovered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-12/turnbull-guilty-of-greatest-con-job-ever-put-to/5153116

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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Malcolm Turnbull guilty of 'greatest con job ever put to the Australian public', says RMIT lecturer

Updated Thu 12 Dec 2013, 9:17pm AEDT

RMIT lecturer Dr Mark Gregory says everyone in the telecommunications industry already knew all the issues Malcolm Turnbull now claims have only just been discovered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-12/turnbull-guilty-of-greatest-con-job-ever-put-to/5153116


I am sure we can find other RMIT lecturers with a 100% opposite view.................................


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No browndog the ball is in Djebels court now.
If DJ can find an RMIT Dr who ISNT in favour of high tech delivery systems that can help them connect with super computers in another area then let them be heard I say.
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Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

i love it how those that support fttp do not have the intelligence to know how to use it.

it is like they expect some magical world that fast broadband will provide. 

and when you ask them what 1gb sppeds will provide to the common person, the answer is that it is has not been thought of yet.

start pushing for high speed rail on every metro train station and tell me what that would bring?

sorry forgot you where the self anointed one on here,but sorry to bust your bubble,but please tell us where you obtained this beauty ?,not sure you have had a thought since you have been on the libs mail out.

you really are a silly man when you cannot say NBN under turbull is a disaster 
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Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

exactly. now you are starting to get it. 

the truth is that the labor nbn co was a mess. 

the truth is we have a plan in place.

the truth is that you were never going to get what you wanted and you would of been busy trying to come up with why labor changed their plan if they had been elected. pity the got smashed 90 seats to 50. only just.

the truth is that the liberal party is methodically going through the portfolios of importance, treasury, education, comunications and infrastructure and the first step of planing is to work out where you are and then you can work out where you want to be.

they are methodically doing this and we will spend the first 6 months of 2014 seeing the plans in place to set this country up. 

buy some shares while they are cheap. the santa claus rally always happens after the second week of december and it is time to get in. 

have you already forgotten about the gonski double backflip ?communication is now disaster,NBN loaded with turdbulls cronies   nothing changes   jobs for the boys

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Malcolm Turnbull guilty of 'greatest con job ever put to the Australian public', says RMIT lecturer

Updated Thu 12 Dec 2013, 9:17pm AEDT

RMIT lecturer Dr Mark Gregory says everyone in the telecommunications industry already knew all the issues Malcolm Turnbull now claims have only just been discovered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-12/turnbull-guilty-of-greatest-con-job-ever-put-to/5153116


I am sure we can find other RMIT lecturers with a 100% opposite view.................................

we ?  go ahead  find it,look forward to reading it 
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wc41 is chucking another mental.
Odds on he doesn't have a clue what and who needs more than Turnbull will deliver.
labor were all talk with no hope of ever keeping their promises.
Their claytons Roll out had stalled.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

i realise that you are struggling with this concept but i will say it again,.

labor had no plan. they had a dream that they propogated into a lie.

they ahd already been told by nbn co that it was not going to happen and they new it was political suicide to admit it. all the figures that you have come up with on the nbn co are wrong. massively wrong. the expected revenues massively wrong, the cost massively wrong, the work that had been completed massively wrong, the future massively wrong, the time it would take to compete massively wrong. 

like i said before, keep holding onto that lie. if it makes you feel special to believe in that lie then dont let go of it. 

we wnat faster broadband and that is what we will get. 

By than Earth would have melted into the sun.

guru you do realise don't you HFC gets slower the more people who connect to it right?
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here is another beauty
In all HFC areas, not every house has HFC running past it. I've seen it suggested that 20% of homes in cable areas do not have access to cable.

So before you rely on getting HFC you'd better be sure that you can actually get it.

When Optus started running cable in the 90s they had Telstra chasing them down streets with their own cable. In the rush they both left a lot of the small cul de sacs uncabled because they weren't considered to be worth the trouble.

If you have one of those houses, you have been royally screwed by Turnbull, because it looks like he has no plans whatsoever to do anything about it.


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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

wc41 is chucking another mental.
Odds on he doesn't have a clue what and who needs more than Turnbull will deliver.
labor were all talk with no hope of ever keeping their promises.
Their claytons Roll out had stalled.

here you go yet again  opening your large mouth and inserting both feet.

turdbull has fallen over at the first hurdle and you defend him ? like i said you r a troll

go back to doing what you do best,if there was anything.
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news NBN Co’s Strategic Review has found that it will not be possible to deliver the Coalition’s stated policy goal of delivering broadband speeds of 25Mbps to all Australians by the end of 2016 or at the projected cost, and has recommended that up to a third of Australian premises theoretically already covered by HFC cable networks effectively receive no upgrade at all under a drastically revised deployment scheme.

When the Coalition released its rival NBN policy in April, it based the policy on the core pledge that the party would deliver download speeds of between 25Mbps and 100Mbps by the end of 2016 — effectively the end of its first term in power — and 50Mbps to 100Mbps by the end of 2019, effectively the end of its second term. According to the Coalition’s statement, the 25Mbps to 100Mbps pledge applied to “all premises”, while the higher pledge by 2019 applies to “90 percent of fixed line users”.

The detailed policy document disclosed that these speeds would predominantly be delivered over the long-term with fibre to the node technology through upgrading Telstra’s existing copper network, focusing on areas where “the poorest broadband” services are currently suffered by residents and businesses. By the end of 2019, some 71 percent of premises were slated to be covered with fibre to the node infrastructure.

In some other areas — such as greenfields housing estates, and “wherever copper has to be replaced” — such as areas where Telstra’s copper has degraded — fibre to the premise technology, as under Labor’s current NBN plan, would be deployed. The Coalition estimated that some 22 percent of premises would be covered by FTTP under its plan. The remainder of premises, as under Labor’s NBN plan, would be covered by satellite and fixed wireless technologies.

However, in its landmark Strategic Review document published today, and available online in PDF format, NBN Co instead recommended a drastically reduced rollout schema, which it dubbed an “Optimised Multi-Technology Mix”).

In this mix, FTTP-style broadband would be deployed to some 24 percent of Australian premises located in metropolitan areas by the end of 2020, with another 32 percent to receive FTTN infrastructure, 12 percent to receive Fibre to the Basement or similar and a large 30 percent to receive effectively no upgrade, considering that percentage is already covered by the HFC cable networks operated by Telstra and Optus. This rollout in total would cover 93 percent of the population.

In remote areas (the remaining seven percent of Australia), 10 percent of those areas would be covered by FTTN, 53 percent by fixed wireless, and 37 percent by satellite.

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In a statement, NBN Co claimed this this “new look NBN” would “resemble the architecture of similar broadband rollouts in other advanced economies, embracing a range of technologies including Fibre to the Node and HFC alongside Fibre to the Premises, fixed wireless, satellite as well as future advances in telecommunications technology.”

The company said this approach should be able to deliver access to wholesale speeds of up to 50 Mbps to 90 percent of Australia’s fixed-line footprint and wholesale speeds of up to 100 Mbps to 65 percent to 75 percent by 2019. The company also claimed it would reduce costs and bring forward revenues for the company, reducing peak funding from what NBN Co has newly estimated at $73 billion under Labor’s NBN plan to $41 billion under its revised outlook. This figure is $11.5 billion more than the Coalition promised in April.

“… the accumulated delays and state of NBN Co mean the Government’s aim of ensuring nationwide access to fast broadband by 2016 cannot be achieved,” said Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull in a statement this morning. “The Government will work with NBN to search for ways to accelerate the rollout in its early years.”

NBN Co’s new executive chairman Ziggy Switkowski claimed in a statement that the approach that NBN Co had recommended to the Government would delivery “very fast broadband to homes more quickly and at less cost”.

“We will do this by investing taxpayers’ money appropriately on the right technologies at the right time, by translating a long term milestone into a rolling series of realistic and actionable near term plans, and by being alert to upgrades in technology and shifts in consumer needs,” wrote Switkowski.

“By 2019 more people will be able to access higher speed broadband than would have been the case had the previous plan continued on its current trajectory. What’s more, viable economically attractive upgrade paths currently being trialled internationally are capable of providing speeds well beyond 100 Mbps and can be deployed as consumer demand increases over time.”

However, it does not appear as though NBN Co’s new ‘Optimised MTM mix’ is currently possible to deliver, based on the company’s current commercial relationships and the state of Australia’s technology sector.

A large number of premises currently covered by the HFC cable footprint, which NBN Co is planning to use to provide broadband to some 30 percent of metropolitan Australian premises, cannot connect to the HFC cable networks, as they live in so-called multi-dwelling units such as apartment blocks, or work in office environments where multiple offices are in the same facility.

Neither Telstra nor Optus are currently willing to connect such facilities to HFC cable unless the whole building is connected; something most landlords are currently unwilling to pay for. This will mean residents and business users in those areas will likely remain using ADSL2+ technology, which typically only delivers speeds of up to 16Mbps. Theoretically it can go a little higher — up to 25Mbps, but few Australian users see such speeds in practice, even if they are close to their local telephone exchange. The overwhelming of Australians in the HFC cable footprint are not using the technology, due to its inflexibility and cost, and the inability of many to get it connected.

Secondly, the HFC cable networks operated by Telstra and Optus are not open to wholesale access and are not regulated for price. NBN Co cannot currently provide Internet services over such networks unless the ACCC or the Parliament forces Telstra and Optus to open their HFC networks, or to sell that infrastructure to NBN Co. Neither Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull nor Switkowski were able to answer questions this morning on how NBN Co would gain and control access to such networks, or how it would force Telstra and Optus to offer certain prices on the networks.

The NBN Strategic Review also found significant problems with Labor’s existing NBN policy. It estimated that Labor’s all-fibre NBN will cost $73 billion and take until 2024 to complete, and increase average broadband bills by up to 80 per cent to meet the rate of return targeted by the former Government. NBN Co’s persistent inability to meet its targets reflected “a lack of deep internal experience in complex infrastructure, construction projects and project management”,” the report found.

Key decisions were taken “without appropriate commercial rigour and oversight”, it added, and NBN Co’s previous leadership clung to unachievable Corporate Plan forecasts “notwithstanding clear factual evidence to the contrary”.

However, compared with NBN Co’s new ‘Optimised MTM’-style rollout, it appears clear that Australians, and the telecommunications industry as well, would still be significantly better off under Labor’s original NBN policy, even if it was delivered four years late and at a cost around $30 billion more than originally planned.

This is because the construction of the NBN would result in all Australians achieving significantly upgraded broadband services, with 93 percent of the population having access to gigabit speeds under the planned FTTP rollout. Under NBN Co’s new plan, a significant percentage of the population would receive little to no upgrade compared to their current access. In addition, unlike FTTP and FTTN, HFC cable infrastructure is a shared medium at the local network level, meaning it will likely suffer from congestion issues as additional users are added to the network.

The extra $30 billion NBN Co now estimates Labor’s original NBN policy will cost, and the extra four years it estimates it will take to complete the project, are not viewed as statistically significant factors by most technical commentators, due to the long-term nature of the NBN project, in that it will deliver infrastructure that will provide services over the next 50-100 years.

NBN Co’s new model would likely see demand for upgrades starting from when it was slated to be completed in 2020, whereas Labor’s original NBN model would not need to see its fibre upgraded in the foreseeable future.

NBN Co’s new rollout plan is not the first time that allegations have arisen that the Coalition is planning to ignore Australia’s areas ‘covered’ by existing HFC cable areas. In February 2013, then-Communications Minister Stephen Conroy challenged then-Shadow Minister Malcolm Turnbull to confirm his rival broadband policy would not see fibre to the node technology immediately deployed to areas already covered by the HFC cable networks operated by Telstra and Optus, despite the fact that few used the ageing HFC networks.

Subsequently, Turnbull confirmed that metropolitan areas of Australia in the HFC cable footprint of Telstra and Optus would not immediately receive the Coalition’s planned fibre to the node upgrade if the Coalition won Government and did not commit to deploying FTTN infrastructure in those areas in the long-term.



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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

i realise that you are struggling with this concept but i will say it again,.

labor had no plan. they had a dream that they propogated into a lie.

they ahd already been told by nbn co that it was not going to happen and they new it was political suicide to admit it. all the figures that you have come up with on the nbn co are wrong. massively wrong. the expected revenues massively wrong, the cost massively wrong, the work that had been completed massively wrong, the future massively wrong, the time it would take to compete massively wrong. 

like i said before, keep holding onto that lie. if it makes you feel special to believe in that lie then dont let go of it. 

we wnat faster broadband and that is what we will get. i will be more than happy to get into turnbull if the new figures and targets he puts forward are not met or exceeded. then he will have no excuses.

this government is working harder and better than i could of imagined. great to see. 



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news NBN Co’s Strategic Review has found that it will not be possible to deliver the Coalition’s stated policy goal of delivering broadband speeds of 25Mbps to all Australians by the end of 2016 or at the projected cost, and has recommended that up to a third of Australian premises theoretically already covered by HFC cable networks effectively receive no upgrade at all under a drastically revised deployment scheme.

When the Coalition released its rival NBN policy in April, it based the policy on the core pledge that the party would deliver download speeds of between 25Mbps and 100Mbps by the end of 2016 — effectively the end of its first term in power — and 50Mbps to 100Mbps by the end of 2019, effectively the end of its second term. According to the Coalition’s statement, the 25Mbps to 100Mbps pledge applied to “all premises”, while the higher pledge by 2019 applies to “90 percent of fixed line users”.

The detailed policy document disclosed that these speeds would predominantly be delivered over the long-term with fibre to the node technology through upgrading Telstra’s existing copper network, focusing on areas where “the poorest broadband” services are currently suffered by residents and businesses. By the end of 2019, some 71 percent of premises were slated to be covered with fibre to the node infrastructure.

In some other areas — such as greenfields housing estates, and “wherever copper has to be replaced” — such as areas where Telstra’s copper has degraded — fibre to the premise technology, as under Labor’s current NBN plan, would be deployed. The Coalition estimated that some 22 percent of premises would be covered by FTTP under its plan. The remainder of premises, as under Labor’s NBN plan, would be covered by satellite and fixed wireless technologies.

However, in its landmark Strategic Review document published today, and available online in PDF format, NBN Co instead recommended a drastically reduced rollout schema, which it dubbed an “Optimised Multi-Technology Mix”).

In this mix, FTTP-style broadband would be deployed to some 24 percent of Australian premises located in metropolitan areas by the end of 2020, with another 32 percent to receive FTTN infrastructure, 12 percent to receive Fibre to the Basement or similar and a large 30 percent to receive effectively no upgrade, considering that percentage is already covered by the HFC cable networks operated by Telstra and Optus. This rollout in total would cover 93 percent of the population.

In remote areas (the remaining seven percent of Australia), 10 percent of those areas would be covered by FTTN, 53 percent by fixed wireless, and 37 percent by satellite.

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In a statement, NBN Co claimed this this “new look NBN” would “resemble the architecture of similar broadband rollouts in other advanced economies, embracing a range of technologies including Fibre to the Node and HFC alongside Fibre to the Premises, fixed wireless, satellite as well as future advances in telecommunications technology.”

The company said this approach should be able to deliver access to wholesale speeds of up to 50 Mbps to 90 percent of Australia’s fixed-line footprint and wholesale speeds of up to 100 Mbps to 65 percent to 75 percent by 2019. The company also claimed it would reduce costs and bring forward revenues for the company, reducing peak funding from what NBN Co has newly estimated at $73 billion under Labor’s NBN plan to $41 billion under its revised outlook. This figure is $11.5 billion more than the Coalition promised in April.

“… the accumulated delays and state of NBN Co mean the Government’s aim of ensuring nationwide access to fast broadband by 2016 cannot be achieved,” said Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull in a statement this morning. “The Government will work with NBN to search for ways to accelerate the rollout in its early years.”

NBN Co’s new executive chairman Ziggy Switkowski claimed in a statement that the approach that NBN Co had recommended to the Government would delivery “very fast broadband to homes more quickly and at less cost”.

“We will do this by investing taxpayers’ money appropriately on the right technologies at the right time, by translating a long term milestone into a rolling series of realistic and actionable near term plans, and by being alert to upgrades in technology and shifts in consumer needs,” wrote Switkowski.

“By 2019 more people will be able to access higher speed broadband than would have been the case had the previous plan continued on its current trajectory. What’s more, viable economically attractive upgrade paths currently being trialled internationally are capable of providing speeds well beyond 100 Mbps and can be deployed as consumer demand increases over time.”

However, it does not appear as though NBN Co’s new ‘Optimised MTM mix’ is currently possible to deliver, based on the company’s current commercial relationships and the state of Australia’s technology sector.

A large number of premises currently covered by the HFC cable footprint, which NBN Co is planning to use to provide broadband to some 30 percent of metropolitan Australian premises, cannot connect to the HFC cable networks, as they live in so-called multi-dwelling units such as apartment blocks, or work in office environments where multiple offices are in the same facility.

Neither Telstra nor Optus are currently willing to connect such facilities to HFC cable unless the whole building is connected; something most landlords are currently unwilling to pay for. This will mean residents and business users in those areas will likely remain using ADSL2+ technology, which typically only delivers speeds of up to 16Mbps. Theoretically it can go a little higher — up to 25Mbps, but few Australian users see such speeds in practice, even if they are close to their local telephone exchange. The overwhelming of Australians in the HFC cable footprint are not using the technology, due to its inflexibility and cost, and the inability of many to get it connected.

Secondly, the HFC cable networks operated by Telstra and Optus are not open to wholesale access and are not regulated for price. NBN Co cannot currently provide Internet services over such networks unless the ACCC or the Parliament forces Telstra and Optus to open their HFC networks, or to sell that infrastructure to NBN Co. Neither Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull nor Switkowski were able to answer questions this morning on how NBN Co would gain and control access to such networks, or how it would force Telstra and Optus to offer certain prices on the networks.

The NBN Strategic Review also found significant problems with Labor’s existing NBN policy. It estimated that Labor’s all-fibre NBN will cost $73 billion and take until 2024 to complete, and increase average broadband bills by up to 80 per cent to meet the rate of return targeted by the former Government. NBN Co’s persistent inability to meet its targets reflected “a lack of deep internal experience in complex infrastructure, construction projects and project management”,” the report found.

Key decisions were taken “without appropriate commercial rigour and oversight”, it added, and NBN Co’s previous leadership clung to unachievable Corporate Plan forecasts “notwithstanding clear factual evidence to the contrary”.

However, compared with NBN Co’s new ‘Optimised MTM’-style rollout, it appears clear that Australians, and the telecommunications industry as well, would still be significantly better off under Labor’s original NBN policy, even if it was delivered four years late and at a cost around $30 billion more than originally planned.

This is because the construction of the NBN would result in all Australians achieving significantly upgraded broadband services, with 93 percent of the population having access to gigabit speeds under the planned FTTP rollout. Under NBN Co’s new plan, a significant percentage of the population would receive little to no upgrade compared to their current access. In addition, unlike FTTP and FTTN, HFC cable infrastructure is a shared medium at the local network level, meaning it will likely suffer from congestion issues as additional users are added to the network.

The extra $30 billion NBN Co now estimates Labor’s original NBN policy will cost, and the extra four years it estimates it will take to complete the project, are not viewed as statistically significant factors by most technical commentators, due to the long-term nature of the NBN project, in that it will deliver infrastructure that will provide services over the next 50-100 years.

NBN Co’s new model would likely see demand for upgrades starting from when it was slated to be completed in 2020, whereas Labor’s original NBN model would not need to see its fibre upgraded in the foreseeable future.

NBN Co’s new rollout plan is not the first time that allegations have arisen that the Coalition is planning to ignore Australia’s areas ‘covered’ by existing HFC cable areas. In February 2013, then-Communications Minister Stephen Conroy challenged then-Shadow Minister Malcolm Turnbull to confirm his rival broadband policy would not see fibre to the node technology immediately deployed to areas already covered by the HFC cable networks operated by Telstra and Optus, despite the fact that few used the ageing HFC networks.

Subsequently, Turnbull confirmed that metropolitan areas of Australia in the HFC cable footprint of Telstra and Optus would not immediately receive the Coalition’s planned fibre to the node upgrade if the Coalition won Government and did not commit to deploying FTTN infrastructure in those areas in the long-term.


a load of BS in here,no competition ,modern countries are going FTTH,and a lot of places will not be getting higher speeds.   lies lies and more lies,no wonder he needed his cronies on the board,does 1 of the board members just put on own a boat with Turd bull  ?
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wc41..    Just as well you have the copy and paste facility.
You would have an seizure.
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Haven't read that one MC so cheers.
Just another broken promise from the party of the non core and what WE promised , party.
The usual apologists will now appear and say its Labors fault. Blind to the FACT the NLP or LNP , had FULL access to the details of the economy PRIOR to the election.
Queue the white noise..... no replies to the facts just ideology. In 5,4,3,2,..
I don't have one
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

wc41..    Just as well you have the copy and paste facility.
You would have an seizure.

And if you didn't have a splatter screen over your monitor u couldn't read what was posted.
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Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has rejected suggestions that his personal relationship — including the co-ownership of a boat — with a senior NBN Co executive, will influence the organisation's operations.

Turnbull is due to release a National Broadband Network (NBN) strategic review on Thursday, a document that has been compiled under the company's head of strategy and transformation, JB Rousselot.

Federal Labor on Wednesday highlighted the minister's co-ownership of a yacht with Rousselot.

"Given this fact, how can we believe anything that this report says?" Shadow Communications Minister Jason Clare asked.

Turnbull was flattered to hear his "ancient couta boat" referred to as a yacht, before defending Rousselot's credentials.
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