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    Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 11:01am

The chairman of the national broadband network has warned of further cost blowouts in rolling out fibre-optic cables throughout the country, while an NBN Co analysis warns the Coalition’s ‘‘cheaper, sooner’’ network would strip up to $1.8 billion from its projected revenues.

New details of the draft document prepared by the NBN Co for the incoming government also reveal the slower transmission speed under the new model would compromise the provision of telehealth, distance education, internet TV and other business applications.

NBN Co executive chairman Ziggy Switkowski told a Senate hearing on Friday the Coalition’s $20.4 billion costing for the project could be proved wrong.


According to the NBN Co analysis prepared for the incoming government during the caretaker period, obtained by Fairfax Media, the fibre-to-the-node NBN promised by the Coalition before the poll would be unable to deliver the advanced digital services people expect.

Among the services likely to be compromised by the slower service are quality voice telephony and reliable-quality video transmission required for delivering e-health and education to rural and remote areas.

The government’s model does not allow for sufficient upload speeds to deliver those services and sufficient bandwidth overall to deliver highly reliable services, the document states. The Coalition model proposes a minimum of 25 megabits per second (Mbps) by 2016, and a minimum of 50 Mbps by 2019. 

The fibre-to-the-node model also compromises ‘‘multicast’’ capabilities – a key NBN Co product that allows multiple high-definition TV channels to be broadcast to large numbers of subscribers at once – because the number and quality of available programs would be restricted by the limited bandwidth.

On Friday, Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull attempted to discredit the document, saying it was out of date. However, the government’s plan for the fibre-to-the-node alternative has not yet changed.


The Coalition's policy does not make mention of upload speeds, but in a Google Hangout with Fairfax Media in August Mr Turnbull said it would be "for retailers to consider" - possibly 4 to 6Mbps. "I do recognise there's a need for better upload speeds but it's important not to overdo this... the vast majority of traffic is heading down," Mr Turnbull said then.

Combined with the lower speeds, unpredictable performance and lack of a future upgrade plan, the report warned, the technology would become a bottleneck for businesses and block future services that require high-quality bandwidth.

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The document says the new model would cost NBN Co $1.8 billion in lost annual revenue - almost half of the loss would be from the lack of high-end business services alone. In a best case scenario, revenue would be down 23 per cent, generating $4.8 billion for the company, from the $6.25 billion projected under Labor. In a worst case scenario, revenue would be 30 per cent to a $4.47 billion forecast, it says.

This would, in turn, limit the opportunity for new internet protocol TV (IPTV) broadcasters – for example, Foxtel's new Foxtel Play IP-based service offering, launched in July, and the long-running Fetch TV.

By 2021, limited multicast capabilities would cut projected revenues for that service by up to $356 million, or 75 per cent, compared to the 2012 NBN Co Corporate Plan, which is based on the capabilities of the fibre-to-the-premises NBN.

Yet that was only part of the lost revenues, which NBN Co has projected could reach $1.773 billion by June 2021. That would represent a 30 per cent decline over current projections.

Lower revenues reflect the lower prices the government could charge for services, compared with existing fibre-to-the-premises broadband pricing.

Such prices “would reflect their limited speeds and capabilities,” the report noted. “Accordingly, revenue from a FTTN product set is likely to be constrained.”

This would reduce projected average revenue per user (ARPU) – revenues from end-user connections – by around 10 per cent.

“Further,” the report noted, “NBN Co may have limited opportunity to grow ARPU due to the lack of faster speed tiers to which customers could migrate over time.”

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Slower speeds also presented issues for small businesses with even moderate bandwidth requirements, the document stated. They would find the network "will only partially cover their needs”.

“And many businesses require faster upload speeds to send large files, conduct video-conferencing, perform regular back-ups of business-critical data and run business applications.”

Similarly, it said the ability of businesses to have multiple internet and telephony users online simultaneously could not be guaranteed. 

The revelations were made in draft confidential recommendations prepared for the 'blue book' briefing for incoming Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull. 

Mr Turnbull's spokesman on Friday insisted it was not the blue book. He said that the official briefing was prepared by the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (DBCDE) and not NBN Co, but declined to comment on whether it was based on NBN Co advice. 


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Its also important to note Ziggy did support the FTTP of labor prior to being appointed to the NBN by turdbull
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   What is the Libs policy on implementing the construction of the network from the node to the premises once they have installed FTTN ? I haven't seen much discussion on this .
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Originally posted by Mr Prospector Mr Prospector wrote:

   What is the Libs policy on implementing the construction of the network from the node to the premises once they have installed FTTN ? I haven't seen much discussion on this .

they will need nodes every 400 metres from there on it drops speed,they will use old copper line from node to house 
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A recent study by Google and Deloitte Access Economics estimates that there are now 190,000 people employed in online-related companies in Australia,thats with this antiquated system we have now.

imagine what could be achieved with FTTP
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the ''report out today''   
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this is going to be so predictable 

the guy that runs telstra into the ground is chairman
the new ceo was the boss of vodaphone the most complained telco in australia loosing 70% of its base customers

no hope for the NBN  now
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I used to like Turnbull but he sold his soul to Abbott. What a disgraceful effort by him on his fraudband plan Lied about every aspect of it and now is doing the old 'it's Labor's fault because we underestimated how bad they were " There will be no broadband network under these economic vandals and Rupert will get what he paid for. 

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Coalition NBN could reach gigabit speeds by 2030

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Published: December 12, 2013 - 3:37PM

 

The fixed-line portion of the Coalition's version of the national broadband network could be upgraded to super-fast gigabit broadband speeds by 2030, according to the NBN strategic review tabled in Parliament on Thursday.

Although the Coalition has not announced its plans for an upgrade, the strategic review has suggested that the fixed-line portion of the Coalition's NBN could achieve 250 megabits per second (Mbps) by 2025 and one gigabit per second (Gbps, or 1000 Mbps) by 2030.

The former Labor government committed to rolling out fibre-to-the-premise technology to 93 per cent of the Australian population, with eventual download speeds of up to 1000Mbps. The first of the 1 Gbps products will be available to wholesalers this month.

The review doesn't say how much it will cost the government to upgrade to such speeds, but says making them available at a later date will save billions of dollars. About $5 billion would be saved if the government decided to roll out 250Mbps in 2025 and $4 billion would be saved if gigabit speeds were made available in 2030, rather than rolling out fibre-to-the-premise technology now.

To reach 250 Mbps, the review recommends using a technology still in the early stages of development called G.fast, which vendors such as Alcatel-Lucent say has a lot of potential but others have said is not a silver bullet.

The review recommends using G.fast on the fibre-to-the-node portion of the network and the DOCSIS 3.1 standard to upgrade existing hybrid fibre-coaxial (HFC) networks to faster speeds. G.fast, which is likely to be available in a number of years, allows for download speeds of up to 1.3 Gbps at distances of around 70 metres. It works by reducing line noise on copper used in a fibre-to-the-node rollout for the last mile to the home.

To reach 1 Gbps in 2030, the review recommends upgrading to fibre-to-the-premise.

A spokesman for Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull told Fairfax Media the Coalition government had not yet announced its policy on an upgrade for the NBN.

But Mr Turnbull noted the cheaper upgrade path in Parliament.

"Even accepting that fibre-to-the-premise is the end game – and there's a big question mark over that – if the upgrade was only five years after the fibre-to-the-node [rollout] it would still be a wiser and more prudent economic decision," Mr Turnbull said.

He told Parliament the strategic review found that the Coalition's plan would save $32 billion compared with Labor's scheme. As such, it would allow the network to earn a financial return "roughly comparable" to government bonds.

The review was "a highly professional piece of work prepared in a very tight time" and had obtained input from the NBN Co, consultants and representatives from broadband companies in Britain and New Zealand, Mr Turnbull said. 

Waving NBN Co's leaked incoming government brief, opposition communications spokesman Jason Claire told Parliament it was the "real" review of the Coalition alternative broadband network.

"It's the report the minister doesn't want the public to see. It paints a very, very different picture,'' Mr Claire said.

"It paints a scathing picture [of the Coalition government's NBN plan]."

Among seven points Mr Clare said the brief raised was a projection that maintaining Telstra's copper network would cost between $600 million and $900 million over 10 years.

"Wouldn't it be better investing that money in building the fibre network than in maintaining the copper network?" Mr Clare asked. "Because the NBN is so important, it's important that it's done right. That means done using fibre and not copper which we will have to come back and replace."

Afterwards Mr Turnbull said Mr Clare was "placing his faith in a document written by an executive team that were wrong the first time, the second time, the third time and the fourth time".

"On the other hand, we have a new and experienced board, we have new and experienced management, we have leading consultants ... and not one that is being asked to reverse a political statement or policy."

Mr Clare criticised Mr Turnbull for focusing on Europe, where similar fibre-to-the-node schemes have been implemented.

"We're part of Asia, not Europe. We should be thinking ahead, thinking to the future to make sure we're setting ourselves to compete in the Asian century."

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yet another broken promise,shame they couldn't put the nation before party politics 
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new LNP slogan should be "destroying Australia faster"
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i was expecting you to come on here and thank me for letting you know this information before hand.

in order to stop making you look like fools with your incessant badgering of the liberal party nbn policy.

it seems that as fools go you have decided that the best way out is to hit yourself in the head a couple of more times before you type.

the informaiton that labor fed australia on the nbn was a massive lie. none of the information was correct. they got it wrong every time by billions of dollars and by 100,000's of connections. ever ime.

the report is released by independant companies saying hte company was a shambles.  a mess of people more focused on their own agenda and feeding the labor party lie.

they were never going to build it. they completely misrepresented and it is easy to understand why when they had gullilble fools that were willing to hand over a vote for a lie.

it was predicatble because we had already told you so. we were right and thank god turnbull is there to fix it. 
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NO SURPRISES, NO EXCUSES !!!! Tony Abbott Sept 2013
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Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

i was expecting you to come on here and thank me for letting you know this information before hand.

in order to stop making you look like fools with your incessant badgering of the liberal party nbn policy.

it seems that as fools go you have decided that the best way out is to hit yourself in the head a couple of more times before you type.

the informaiton that labor fed australia on the nbn was a massive lie. none of the information was correct. they got it wrong every time by billions of dollars and by 100,000's of connections. ever ime.

the report is released by independant companies saying hte company was a shambles.  a mess of people more focused on their own agenda and feeding the labor party lie.

they were never going to build it. they completely misrepresented and it is easy to understand why when they had gullilble fools that were willing to hand over a vote for a lie.

it was predicatble because we had already told you so. we were right and thank god turnbull is there to fix it. 

for someone who believes he is so intelligent and having the highest IQ,how can you believe this BS    you have not commented on how far out Turbull was on costings ??  3 years behind his delivery timetable and you say independent report ?  you are kidding your self ?

Turball was saying they knew the cost prior to the election,now we didn't know  another lie from turdball on this issue  
Taking away almost 28% of the project and increasing costs to $41 Billion,what was Turdbull quoting before the election ??
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“The national broadband network policy was released many months ago by myself and Malcolm [Turnbull]. The Government’s been crawling all over it. No-one has been able to question the costings. It is absolutely bulletproof.
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Weren't the LNP(and people on this forum) claiming that the actual figure for the NBN was $91Billion Surely anything less than that is a better position than anticipated.

Unless of course they were lying. Shocked 
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Malcolm Turnbull today announced that the network we’re getting won’t be the faster, cheaper, better network he promised. That we’d have to wait longer for worse speeds, and we’ll get a mix of technologies rather than the one we really wanted. The worst part is that we’re now paying more for this inferior NBN than we thought we would when we chose it.
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the informaiton labor provided was a lie. no suprise there.

the labor party got it massively wrong. no surprises there.

the labor party developed an incompetent mess of a company. must of modeled it on their own party. no suprises there.

no suprises at all 

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Do you reckon Rupert, who recently upped his stake in Foxtel will be upset we will have slower internet well into the future? Sounds like he is getting his payoff
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Weren't the LNP(and people on this forum) claiming that the actual figure for the NBN was $91Billion Surely anything less than that is a better position than anticipated.

Unless of course they were lying. Shocked 

i realise you were so desperate as to think this was a win for labor instead of the embaressing situation that only outlined their total inaccuracy and teh shambles that they operated on.

the final figure that labor took the past election and you and others sprouted was $44bill cost to build your nbn. turnbull said it could cost $91bill and as that pollie tool suggested, this was plausable considering the informaiton we had. he was trying to get attention and you are claiming a victory because labor said it was $44bill and got it wrong by $29bill. no wonder the budget is a mess. dont forget too that their revenue made up figures were wrong by $14bill to the under. 

the part of interest today is the current plan said that by June 2014 you would have 1.12 million connected to FTTP. the information that turnbull based his figures was based on what labor was saying had already been acheived and how things are progressing.

we now learn that the actual figures is 357,000. wrong again by a massive amount. 

the size of their inaccuracy is disspointing in that the new plan that the liberal party wanted to implement.

thank god we know and people like yourselves can actually discuss reality rather than the stuff dreams are made of.

i am shocked as you at how bad the previous government was. 

thank god they are gone 





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No surprises, no excuses. 

They anticipated $91B and got less. They should be happy and have no excuses

Is there a single promise they intend honoring? 

Industry has decided they didn't get the govt they were promised and are very nervous. Businesses leaving in droves, even big mining companies bailing on projects. 

Good news it is only 33 more months Worry is how much damage they can do in that time.
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Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

the informaiton labor provided was a lie. no suprise there.

the labor party got it massively wrong. no surprises there.

the labor party developed an incompetent mess of a company. must of modeled it on their own party. no suprises there.

no suprises at all 



Can't admitt the enormous costing blow out by malcome Turdbull ? Can't admitt he lied, can't admitt it's a broken promise, can't admitt it's anticompetitive, can't admitt it's an inferior product, no wonder someone nicknamed you Ben.
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/12/coalitions-nbn-cost-12bn-more-four-years-longer



The Coalition government has massively revised its plan for the National Broadband Network, breaking a promise to complete the first stage by 2016, after a strategic review found cost blowouts and poor management.

Under the new Coalition plan, the NBN will be completed with a mix of technologies containing just 26% fibre to the home, will cost almost $12bn more to complete and will take four years longer than promised by the Coalition before the election.

The revision follows the results of a scathing strategic review of the current financial and construction position of the network by the Coalition-appointed management of NBN Co.

The communications minister, Malcolm Turnbull, said the Coalition’s election policy was based on the assumption that NBN Co would meet its own forecasts, but the review marked the end of “heroic forecasts”.

“Our [election] policy was written without access to experts and information within the NBN Co and we assumed they would be further ahead than they were,” Turnbull said.

Labor immediately released an NBN Co review given to the Coalition government on 20 September, which advised the Coalition would be unlikely to achieve its promised speed of 25Mbps due to various contractual and technological obligations faced by the network.

“It shows that Malcolm Turnbull’s second-rate network will not cut it,” Labor’s communications’ spokesman Jason Clare said.

However Turnbull ridiculed the review, saying the former management had not managed to get any forecasts right under Labor.

The Coalition has revised its own projected costs of the NBN from $29.5bn promised during the election campaign to $41bn, though the minister committed to limiting its equity investment in NBN Co to $29.5bn. The rest will be funded by debt.

The government has appointed a panel of experts to conduct an independent cost-benefit analysis of broadband and a review of the regulatory arrangements for the NBN. It will be chaired by former treasury secretary and businessman Michael Vertigan, with director of the Australian Industry Group Alison Deans, economist and NBN critic Henry Ergas and regulatory consultant, telecommunications expert and economist, Tony Shaw.

The panel has been established to provide independent advice on the economic and social costs and benefits of different broadband technologies.

The NBN was announced by the Rudd government in 2009 and the corporate plan predicted the network would have passed 1.1m homes by 30 September this year.

According to the review released on Thursday, the NBN had passed 227,483 homes by that date, of which 153,977 can be connected.

The review found the network would take four years longer (until 2020) to complete under the Coalition’s revised multi-technology plan, but under Labor’s fibre to the premises plan, the NBN would not be finished until 2024.

Turnbull said the review found the NBN was in a “fundamentally worse position” than Labor had disclosed, with construction behind time, financial returns overestimated by $13bn to 2021, a lack of infrastructure experience in NBN Co staff, a “corrosive internal culture” and lack of commercial rigour.

The Labor model being rolled out is 100% fibre. The Coalition’s new model, now described as a Multi-Technology Mix (MTM), will include 26% fibre to the premises (FTTP), 44% fibre to the node (FTTN) and 30% hybrid fibre coaxial (HFC), which uses both optical fibre and coaxial cable for the delivery of pay TV, internet and voice services.

“I have always said fibre is great technology but it takes a lot of time and costs a lot of money,” Turnbull said.

The minister said the increase in internet demand did not necessarily mean a lot more speed was required, as suggested by supporters of the FTTP model to every home.

“Just because people take up more services on the internet doesn’t mean they necessarily need a lot more speed,” Turnbull said.

“There has been a correlation between increased demand to increased line speed. While there is a connection, it’s not linear connection.”

NBN Co executive chairman Ziggy Switkowski said the bottom line of the review was that an alternative to the existing model could be delivered sooner and cheaper. The new chief was critical of the culture inside NBN Co, describing decision-making as decentralised and not co-ordinated.

“The biggest issue is a commendable and tenacious commitment to the [original] corporate plan but a failure to recognise reality is moving so far away, then a failure to take action,” he said.

Switkowski said the new model would be a mix of existing technology as well as other future technology platforms that may emerge and resembles the architecture of systems in other advanced economies.

“Our calculations confirm that it is economically more efficient to upgrade over time than to build a future-proof network in a field where fast-changing technology is the norm,” Switkowski said.

But Clare said under the Coalition’s plan, capacity would be met as soon as it was built.

“Three years ago Tony Abbott said Malcolm Turnbull’s job was to demolish the NBN,” said Clare. “Then they promised to keep the NBN. This issue is a bit like Medicare. The government knows it’s too popular to destroy but they are doing almost everything they can here to destroy it, which means we are getting a second-rate NBN.”
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“The national broadband network policy was released many months ago by myself and Malcolm [Turnbull]. The Government’s been crawling all over it. No-one has been able to question the costings. It is absolutely bulletproof.

 
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that was a great line by abbott because the labor party could not argue against his figures because they were based on the labor party figures.

now we know the labor party and the nbn where lying.

we are getting the real story and i can understand that you want to hold on to your lie. it might make you feel special to be a part of a chorus of people that do not understand fibre technology and how copper networks operate. to talk of speeds that you really do not comprehend what they are able to achieve. people throw up gigabit speed like it we could not operate with out it. people dont realise that continued technology improvements allow the same copper wire that had kilobyte speed 10 years ago to have 20mb speed now. 

labor would of scrapped fttp. i promise you. they had the report already.

now they want to talk up  a report that a failed nbn executive team put together while working with a failed labor party after repeatable failures in costings, revenue predictions, rollout operations and current progress. they did not even get the simple measure correct of how many fttp existed in this country.

they were 2 years behind into a 3 year plan. and then you want to believe their predictions of what would of happened under the labor party nbn in 2020, 2025 or 2030? i hope you stay away from the share market or any other type of investment. 

the difference between what is happening now and what was happening a year ago is that the nbn co is being run properly, realistically and getting built. 

but feel free to hold onto your lie. i dont imagine you have many friends and therefore maybe it keeps you warm at night. 
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I never heard Turnbull/Abbott once say before the election that there were questions over whether they could deliver or not. 

I heard Turnbull claim that Labor couldn't deliver and that the cost was actually $91B We now find it is well short of the amount Turnbull claimed, but we still didn't hear from him that his plan may be undeliverable
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Bottom line is the ideologue Abbott said he would destroy the NBN 

When he found out it was an election changer, he became an NBN neophyte(like Gonski, climate change) 

Now in power has dropped all promises and reverted to his original stated position. 

No surprises here, lying is in his DNA
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desperate desperate desperate.

labor has been lying to you since the day this was dreamed up on the back of a napkin and the quality of the planning and implemenation has only got worse from there.

you now have the truth. turnbull went to the election and would never think to say that they had not idea what was going on. nobody did in reality becauae the information coming out of their terrible setup was all wrong. 

the nbn under labor has a record of being wrong and of followers believing anything. 

we now have a realistic plan and there is no one better in this country to run communications and lead the nbn than turnbull.

that is the reality and i understand you do not want to accept it. lies are important to the desperate
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Originally posted by questions questions wrote:

desperate desperate desperate.


labor has been lying to you since the day this was dreamed up on the back of a napkin and the quality of the planning and implemenation has only got worse from there.

you now have the truth. turnbull went to the election and would never think to say that they had not idea what was going on. nobody did in reality becauae the information coming out of their terrible setup was all wrong. 

the nbn under labor has a record of being wrong and of followers believing anythinge . 

we now have a realistic plan and there is no one better in this country to run communications and lead the nbn than turnbull.

that is the reality and i understand you do not want to accept it. lies are important to the desperate


U really are thick, how can you possibly say that the figures LNP where using costings that came from nbn where incorrect when LNP believed they where wrong and that the cost was $90 billion,your believe is unbelievable your ignorance is astounding
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