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I see Darmanin was suspended for another ride today.

I would think if I was a jockey in his position, where I have a gold plated superstar for a carnival, that I may think about just riding that horse only during their prep.

I remember Scott Seamer during Ethereal's spring where he rode a few others, but he restricted himself, and never put his ride on her, in jeopardy.

If I was Anthony I would be just riding her over the next two months.

If she goes through thsi prep undefeated, this could set Anthony up for life financially!

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I don’t remember Bowman worrying too much about missing out on Winx
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Yeah that is correct Sky, but, in all honesty Anthony is not getting the top rides from Waller or Godolphin.

For a jock like him, this is a life changing chance. I understand jockeys need to keep in racing fitness, but I would seriously consider making this choice.
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Looks like the Cox Plate is off to Tasmania this year.
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Looks like continued mare dominance, either her or Verry Elegant, of Australian racing. We need a special Australian wfa scale because the boys aren't good enough to give the top mares weight.
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I reckon Very Elleegant can knock her off, IF she learns to settle.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Looks like continued mare dominance, either her or Verry Elegant, of Australian racing. We need a special Australian wfa scale because the boys aren't good enough to give the top mares weight.

No need to change wfa scale. The best colts are at stud & the best geldings are sent to Hong Kong. Mares now have more opportunities due to lack of competition.
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Originally posted by Tim Whiffler Tim Whiffler wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Looks like continued mare dominance, either her or Verry Elegant, of Australian racing. We need a special Australian wfa scale because the boys aren't good enough to give the top mares weight.

No need to change wfa scale. The best colts are at stud & the best geldings are sent to Hong Kong. Mares now have more opportunities due to lack of competition.


Name one of those that stood between Winx and BCs total domination, if only they weren't retired or in HK?
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Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

I reckon Very Elleegant can knock her off, IF she learns to settle.


She does not need to settle.

She is perfectly fine the way she is.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Looks like continued mare dominance, either her or Verry Elegant, of Australian racing. We need a special Australian wfa scale because the boys aren't good enough to give the top mares weight.


It's not just needed in Australia it should be across the planet.
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Adam Trinder handling Mystic Journey pressure

about an hour ago by AAP
Mystic Journey's trainer Adam TrinderImage: Getty

Adam Trinder is beginning to understand the added pressure Chris Waller went through as he prepared champion Winx during her winning streak.

Trinder trains Mystic Journey who returned to racing on Saturday to win the Group Two P B Lawrence Stakes.

The victory extended Mystic's Journey's winning streak to seven and was her 11th from 14 starts.

Her record is well short of the 33 races Winx won in succession, but with the champion's retirement Mystic Journey is being looked on as the horse to fill the void.

Trinder said he was relieved to see Mystic Journey win on Saturday, concerned the soft track may work against her.

With ongoing success comes expectation and Trinder said he had sought the advice of two top trainers how best to handle the added pressure.

"I think I've been keeping things on an even keel," Trinder said.

"I've taken a lot of advice from people like Peter Moody and Tony McEvoy in regards to these really good horses.

"Tony was obviously there at the helm at Lindsay Park before he took over his own massive operation.

"They've both got a really good understanding and I feel they've given me the right advice.

"They said don't get ahead of the game, keep your eye on the ball and be obliging."

Moody trained the unbeaten Black Caviar to her 25 straight wins.

Trinder says a decision will be made later in the week when and where Mystic Journey will race next.

Options include the Group One Memsie Stakes at Caulfield on August 31 and the Makybe Diva Stakes at Flemington a fortnight later.

"Mystic Journey is lovely and full about herself this morning post her G2 win yesterday, next raceday assignment will be announced later in the week," Trinder tweeted on Sunday.

Mystic Journey headed back to her Tasmanian base on Sunday to prepare for her next assignment.

If connections choose the Memsie Stakes, Mystic Journey will remain in Melbourne after the race for her Cox Plate build-up with Trinder to base himself at Ballarat.

Mystic Journey shortened to $5 for the Cox Plate at Moonee Valley on October 26 following Saturday's win.
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What advise would he get from Tony McEvoy ? All his really seriously good horses have failed to reach their potential and been injured. 
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

What advise would he get from Tony McEvoy ? All his really seriously good horses have failed to reach their potential and been injured. 

Sunlight won the Magic Millions, Coolmore, Newmarket and William Reid.
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We need opinions like this so we collect more on MJ
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Tim Whiffler Tim Whiffler wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Looks like continued mare dominance, either her or Verry Elegant, of Australian racing. We need a special Australian wfa scale because the boys aren't good enough to give the top mares weight.

No need to change wfa scale. The best colts are at stud & the best geldings are sent to Hong Kong. Mares now have more opportunities due to lack of competition.


Name one of those that stood between Winx and BCs total domination, if only they weren't retired or in HK?


Besides, that's all the more reason to drop the mares allowance.
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Beauty Generation, Rapper Dragon, Able Friend all would have been here


Edited by Gay3 - 19 Aug 2019 at 8:44pm
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You can add Werther, Dark Passage, ivictory, Mr Stunning, Hot King Prawn, Beat the Clock, & 5he very promising Aethero

Edited by Gay3 - 19 Aug 2019 at 8:45pm
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BC & Winx were freaks, outliers. In the day to day racing BM64’s etc they still receive the allowance. It’s hardly noticeable that fillies & mares are dominating these grades of races.

If the apparent improvement in quality mares is a result of the use of progesterone, then it is performance enhancing and needs to be outlawed.

If geldings are not as good as the old days due to the banning of steroids etc. Bad Luck.

Keep the allowance- play on!!

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Just on the allowance Tim.

If you get to the highest level of any sport, players or athletes that get an advantage and dominate, do not have as bright a legacy as those who have to overcome disadvantage.

The Diva won two cups before, but her last one was the one that sends chills down your spine, because she overcame the 58 kilos. She already had a unique place in racing, but that gave her immortality.

Black Caviar had many great wins, the TJSmith in Sydney was for me her best, but the Newmarket with 58 kilos is not far short of it.

I think if you are a mare, and you win five group 1 WFA races, you should then lose the allowance, because you have proven you are the best horse, and you should there for, have to race on an even playing field. While you are coming through the WFA grades, you have not earnt the obligation to carry the full WFA weight.

The Newmarket and Cup wins of the two mares mentioned as well as the 2nd Doncaster win of Sunline, and many others such as More Joyous, shows that for about twenty years the mares who have dominated (won five group 1's or more) are capable of carrying the extra weight, even when giving big chunks of weight in handicaps, they are still capable of winning high class races.     

It will not happen so you will get your view to continue, but unlike most sports horse racing is one which the male and females race each other and so until the mares show they are dominant, they are entitled to have the WFA allowance, but once you show you are the best, you should not need the allowance.
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I could not agree more. Well said. Spot on.

Jamal, don't keep quoting posts immediately above!
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Edited by Gay3 - 20 Aug 2019 at 12:08pm
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:



Beauty Generation, Rapper Dragon, Able Friend all would have been here

What are you talking about ?
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You can add Werther, Dark Passage, ivictory, Mr Stunning, Hot King Prawn, Beat the Clock, & 5he very promising Aethero

What are you guys talking about ? 
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They're talking about horses Winx would have had to beat had they not been sold to hk.
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Hi Voyager,
A bit unsure of the MD Melb Cup reference. MD still had an allowance that reduced her weight to 58. If there is no WFA allowance, mares will be penalised in all handicap races. In relation to BC, she was so far above her contemporaries the removal of the allowance wouldn’t have changed any of her results. Winx arguably the same.
The fact is, mares are not dominating stakes races week to week. Just seems to be a recent anomaly that the most outstanding horses of recent time have been mares.
And they are not in the breeding barn as 4yo’s. MD, BC & Winx all kept improving from 4-5-6
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Tim, is that true? I always thought handicaps assigned weights purely on ratings which have already been adjusted for age and sex.
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If this was true handicaps would be dominated be 3yo fillies as they would be getting an extreme advantage on top of their rating. It has to be false.
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