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JoanFerguson ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 01 Nov 2016 Location: MELBOURNE Status: Offline Points: 642 |
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Why is so much MURDER happening these days.
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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djebel ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Status: Offline Points: 40768 |
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I blame Game Of Thrones.
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JoanFerguson ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 01 Nov 2016 Location: MELBOURNE Status: Offline Points: 642 |
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I do not understand why MURDERERS are glorified
Julian Knight for example, why does he continue to get air time |
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There were 238 reported murder victims in Australia during 2014, compared to 245 in 2013.[7]
In Australia during 2014:
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furious ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 15314 |
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Don't quote me but it seems to me that there are no such things as accidents these days. Everyone want to and do blame someone. Often a blameless victim of bad luck. But with this mentality you get people who feel they have been wronged and they want payback.
I know on the road you can't have a wrong call. We came out onto the motorway near home one day and must of come in to close to the car on the road. He came around us and pushed us off the road. We had 8 people in the van and my husband didn't see him. Honest mistake. But the person felt he had been wronged and took payback. It could of killed any of us or all of us. I'm sure he didn't think of that - it was spur of the moment. So we have to start teaching out kids how to forgive each other when things go wrong. We all make mistakes,
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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Statistics rather dubious, in an era where people go missing in droves. They were either suicides, murders, or alien abductions, I'd say a great many are murders. Suicides don't bury themselves, typically.
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Whale ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: St Kilda Beach Status: Offline Points: 38050 |
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total nonsense |
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JoanFerguson ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 01 Nov 2016 Location: MELBOURNE Status: Offline Points: 642 |
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It's not nonsense. Working in a prison system, you see all sorts of fan mail, love letters etc for CONVICTED MURDERERS |
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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There are a whole raft of reasons why civility has declined, but decline it has. |
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Whale ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: St Kilda Beach Status: Offline Points: 38050 |
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It's not nonsense. Working in a prison system, you see all sorts of fan mail, love letters etc for CONVICTED MURDERERS[/QUOTE] total rubbish, a miniscule % are turned on by and glorify them, there are always nutters around, of one type of another Jean ![]() |
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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Whale seems to know what mail they get in prison, may be "The Freak" !
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Passing Through ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 38194 |
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Why do we glorify serial killers and psychopaths/sociopaths?Ari Ben-Melech, I studied criminal psychology (profiling) as a graduate and undergrad. I don't think most of us do. I studied for and went into a career studying serial killers and their behavior. I never glorified them...far from it. I went to school with the son of a serial killer. I was young but I knew there was something "odd" about his crimes. People were talking more than usual. I researched it (as much as a child can) and became fascinated. It was a crime I didn't understand. I actually still don't though I have researched serial killers, their crimes, psychopathology and behaviors now for years. I can tell you many things about them but not why they do it. They cannot even articulate it well. Dahmer was lonely, as was Dennis Nilsen but they are the exception (perhaps the motivation is actually not exceptional but the ability to convey the reason for their crimes is unusual). Ted Bundy summed up the reason for his killings to a prison guard by saying "I enjoyed it. It was fun". I think we are fascinated by things we don't understand and many Americans are interested in darker more morbid elements of life and thus, our interest in serial killers. A person glorifying them however, would be a cause for alarm. These are not heroes and not people to be respected. Adam Lanza was clearly glorifying mass murderers before he embarked on his own murder spree. Glorifying murderers of any kind is a sign of trouble but wanting to understand such an unusual and "evil" pattern of behavior is human nature to a degree. We simply seek to understand something. When I first got my hands on the file of John Gacy (the one from the original lawyer who he confessed to), I thought there might be some glimmer of a reason. Something. Anything. In a way, I suppose, there was. Everything said, written and transcribed was cold and utterly devoid of feeling. The diagram he drew of the crawl space was extremely precise but could have just as easily have been a car park or drawing of a office building. Nothing suggested that these were bodies that had once been living and breathing, and were placed there by him. He could not even fake remorse. Ted Bundy was able to fake it, towards the end. Danny a Rolling was able to fake it. Not Gacy. I was once at a conference at a hotel and some people in the jacuzzi were talking to me. They asked the normal questions people do and when they got to my background, they perked up. They were very interested in serial killers. These were mostly middle aged and older men and women. They did not glorify serial killers. They wanted to understand. Their questions were not "Ewwww, what do the bodies look like" as a 12 year old might ask but more analytical. "Do most suffer physical abuse and could that cause physical/neurological damage." "Do all serial killers meet the threshold for sociopathy or are other diagnoses (or lack of any diagnoses) just as common?" "Why do more men kill violently and women passively?". The questions went on and on but clearly none of them glorified the killers. TV and media feature them because we are fascinated by behavior so different from our own, that we tune in. At least many people do (I personally don't care for such shows very much) So personally, I would not use the word "glorify". I don't think most people do. Quora |
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Whale ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: St Kilda Beach Status: Offline Points: 38050 |
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no max, read the posts, I was responding to this It's not nonsense. Working in a prison system, you see all sorts of fan mail, love letters etc for CONVICTED MURDERERS |
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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Well, if fergo says that murderers in jail get lots of mail from "fans", who are we to contradict, unless we work there ?
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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Of course some are just people wanting a "fresh start", but that sounds very difficult today with ID requirements needed everywhere. |
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Passing Through ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 38194 |
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They are ABS statistics for confirmed murders only Suicides manslaughters and missing persons etc. are in different categories
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Magnolian Khan ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2015 Location: Woomelang Status: Offline Points: 7239 |
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Sounds like Fergo forgot her meds this morning |
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Whale ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: St Kilda Beach Status: Offline Points: 38050 |
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geez you are an annoying, argumentative bore, who was contradicting it ![]() |
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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You did ! |
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Whale ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: St Kilda Beach Status: Offline Points: 38050 |
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no i contradicted her conclusion that fan mail means as a society we idolise murderers, did not contradict the fact of the mail.
come on you wise man, "academic", even you can see the difference ![]() |
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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Not so, this what was said.....
Fergo: It's not nonsense. Working in a prison system, you see all sorts of fan mail, love letters etc for CONVICTED MURDERERS Whale: total rubbish, a miniscule % are turned on by and glorify them, there are always nutters around, of one type of another Jean So you read the letters, Mr Whale ? |
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Passing Through ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 38194 |
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What percentage of the population do you reckon would send fan-mail to serial killers max?
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Whale ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2009 Location: St Kilda Beach Status: Offline Points: 38050 |
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keep it up dumb a ss ,your ridiculous comments reflect accurately upon you ![]() 24 million people in Australia, I wonder how many million love letters they get ![]() |
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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Fergo did not say people in general idolised murderers, or it was not a small %, so read it again.
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Passing Through ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 38194 |
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''I do not understand why MURDERERS are glorified''
Pretty broad I reckon
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oneonesit ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Aug 2012 Status: Offline Points: 15715 |
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What's were the names of Ivan Milats victims !
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Time to get a bit fair dinkum
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max manewer ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 22389 |
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Very few, but the phenomenon is not "total nonsense". |
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Magnolian Khan ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2015 Location: Woomelang Status: Offline Points: 7239 |
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I've always wanted to meet a serial killer.
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