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oneonesit
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Topic: Mr Trump Second Term ThreadPosted: 28 Jun 2024 at 3:51pm |
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Writing on the wall - just getting in early for Shammy
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Rhino
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Joined: 21 Nov 2013 Status: Offline Points: 2128 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 5:17pm |
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Good thing or bad thing wunsie?
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 6:09pm |
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Long way to go yet. Trump is old and volatile and loathed. He could get sick or shot or anything. Joe can probably be written off and the dems took a major (self-inflicted) blow today. Unless it was their long range plan all along?
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Second Chance
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 6:26pm |
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He gets elected and democracy in the USA will be totally screwed imo. And possibly forever given the so-called Libertarians, the MAGA racially and economically prejudicial troglodytes, the influential extreme right wing Heritage Foundation, and a Presidency that'll be globally isolationist, dismissive of NATO, and otherwise characterized by an agenda based on a campaign of retribution against all and sundry including trashing the Judiciary. However the proof will be in the pudding.
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 6:37pm |
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I'd rather not see Trump get a second term but I don't believe for one second the Henny Penny stuff about "the end of democracy", dictatorship in the USA etc. The US system has balances built into it. Personally, I have no problems with libertarians (they have some good, if unrealistic, ideals) and I would prefer the US to focus more on itself and to put some more real pressure on other powerful nations/ groups/ alliances to sort out regional problems.
I just wish the US could come up with better options than the ridiculous leaders/ parties that they have these days. Maybe the world has changed too much too quickly, and the US got off to a massive head-start after the World Wars, and are coming back to the rest of the field now. I don't know. |
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Second Chance
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 6:46pm |
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A reasoned post Stayer. However the false claims of electoral fraud and the storming of Capitol Hill certainly raise questions in my mind about democratic principles and practice versus entrenched electoral disinformation and Mob Law.
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 6:53pm |
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Personally, I believe that the last US election was a bit odd, and I don't believe for one second that Trump orchestrated an attempted "insurrection" etc.
Mob Law I can certainly agree with, but the US won't allow that. Hopefully. |
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slowdown
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Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Location: Tasmania Status: Offline Points: 11544 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 6:59pm |
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it is interesting to hear other views Stayer. what is your thoughts on trump trying to stop the transfer of power and the false slates of electors. The evidence seems very clear to me however I am happy to hear other thoughts. cheers Slowdown.
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:04pm |
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Just that the US system has built-in checks against that kind of stuff, slowdown. Trump can try all he likes to be a corrupt dictator type, but he'll come up against walls every time. I'm no expert but I don't mind the US system, which everyone seems to think is so bad.
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slowdown
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Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Location: Tasmania Status: Offline Points: 11544 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:22pm |
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yeah ok. the argument against that that I hear is that he will appoint people who won't stop him next time. Thank christ pence stood up to him last time. The people who are trying to be his vice this time have no issue with the way he operates, and I have no faith that they would have the guts to stand up to him. The problem is see with the U.S. System is that at change of govt they seem to put off a lot of people then re appoint whom they want. I think he will be a lot more dangerous this time. To be honest I just don't understand how you could support a rapist, felon etc etc etc. He certainly has power over them. Mike J amazes me. He is supposedly a full on evangelist christian yet he supports trump. Not sure how he is going to explain that one to Jesus should the christian faith be correct.
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Tlazolteotl
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Joined: 02 Oct 2012 Location: Elephant Butte Status: Offline Points: 38928 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:26pm |
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A Biden flameout on the way to the convention has always been my preference. It's been a good day. Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 12:16pm
Suits me if Biden flames out
after a few years. It would be utterly absurd for a president to start a
second term at 82. But America is getting crazier by the minute so he
might be perfect for POTUS then. Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 7:32pm
I wish the Biden family would have a family intervention and tell old Joe to snap out of it and announce he won't run in 2024. Bugger off.
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marble
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Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7835 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:35pm |
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I just got back from Istanbul. Our guide there was well educated and worldly.
He wanted trump. He doesn't like him one bit, but reckons he would be better for Europe and the middle east. He didn't care what trump might do domestically
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Tlazolteotl
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:37pm |
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Better how?
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:44pm |
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Slowdown, I agree he will want to be a dictator if he gets in this time, and it's a worry. But the US system won't allow it. He can't change it on a whim, and can't stack things in his favour overnight. This is 21st century USA, not some bunch of barbarians battling over land way back in history.
I personally doubt all the "rapist" stuff and have no problem with a world leader being dodgy with money/ real estate/ women etc. That would rule out 99% of the creeps since the first caveman ruled his patch of ground. As a Christian I can certainly understand your disgust about Christians treating Trump like a Messianic figure. Most of the "christians" who idealize Trump are "prosperity gospel" types (Jesus wants to help you to be successful.) And a part of their "faith" is stepping on the heads of, and hating, others. That's not Christian. |
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Second Chance
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:46pm |
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Good for Europe? By at worst dismantling or at best defunding NATO?
Good for the Middle East? On what basis? Not being at all interrogative so no reply requested of you or guide Marble.
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 7:50pm |
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Why should the US have to sort out the rest of the world, SC? If it has it's own problems to deal with first and foremost? Shouldn't overseas problems at least be shared vaguely fairly with other powerful nations/ players?
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marble
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Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7835 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 8:07pm |
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thats what the guide thought - less interference, he pulled troops back home during his last term. I don't agree with him. I think Trump will be a disaster from every point of view
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Second Chance
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 8:11pm |
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The great unknown Stayer. It's only when, or indeed if, a Republican Presidency turns isolationist and ignores as a major power its responsibilities (along with others) to maintain an acceptable World Order.
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Second Chance
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 8:16pm |
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For instance, Trump says he'll end the Russian/Ukraine war by January 2025. Which suggests, to me at least, that he'll cease military and financial support for Ukraine and allow the invasion forces to prevail.
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 8:17pm |
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What "responsibility"???
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stayer
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Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 8:19pm |
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And? Shouldn't others be doing more? Why should the US have to keep doing everything? |
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jujuno
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Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Coasting Status: Offline Points: 47075 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 10:41pm |
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I cannot believe you asked those two questions, Stayer.
Someone has to be the adult. |
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slowdown
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Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Location: Tasmania Status: Offline Points: 11544 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 10:47pm |
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I have no doubt re the sexual assault. there are large numbers of women alleging he has sexually assaulted them. Agree re the so called Christians. one kissed up mob. anyhow a sad day for u.s democracy today. Joe was below par. Lets hope he stands aside and they put in a great option.
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rusty nails
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Joined: 20 Mar 2013 Location: Sydney Status: Online Points: 14506 |
Posted: 28 Jun 2024 at 11:06pm |
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Incorrect. The system just barely held together last time. Pence refused to do his bidding, that won’t happen again. There were others in very senior positions that also refused to do illegal things that he demanded. That won’t happen again. The Supreme Court has literally protected him from having to be tried on very serious charges. So, they won’t be an impediment to him. Congress are basically his disciples, so no vetos there. The checks and balances in their constitution will be non existent with trump 2.0 |
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Tlazolteotl
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Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 11:01am |
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jujuno
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Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 11:13am |
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Biden came out swinging...quite articulately...at a Democrat convention in NC today.
He is like a lot of older individuals. He has his good days and his bad days. He performed better in the debate when he was angry at Trump's lies. The adrenalin rush helped. I might add that his speech at the D-Day remembrance was very impressive. The bottom line is: Anything...even an ailing geriatric..is better than Trump. ![]() |
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oneonesit
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Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 11:13am |
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![]() I really don't get too carried away with any of it. Some seem more invested in it than our local stuff which I find odd - mainly left leaning types Hundreds & hundreds of pages re TBV discussion on Trump & his antics & here we are looking at another term ![]() I mean according to some he has been about to get locked up countless times, he is going broke, he has lost his support base, he is an absolute crazed nutter, he wears nappies, he love Putin - just goes on & on. Not sure he actually cares too much what we think ! I think there is a general trend to want to tear the yanks down in this country. If you dare sat they are our biggest Security Blanket they come out of the woodwork to rip shreds off you Lets put it this way. I can think of a lot, lot, lot worse places to live my life than in the US.
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oneonesit
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Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 11:16am |
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& last time i looked a lot more people were trying to get in to the US than there were trying to leave
That should tell us something
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jujuno
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Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 11:24am |
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Perhaps because our local politics are fairly stable...for once. ![]() |
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Tlazolteotl
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Posted: 29 Jun 2024 at 11:28am |
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Can you imagine any of this bullsh1t happening in Australia? Just on the Democrat side for now, if a PM lost the confidence of his party, as Biden has surely done, they would simply call a party room meeting and he'd by out by lunch time. See ya later.
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