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Shrunk in the Wash
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Legalisation will kill a bloody lot more kids
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Tlazolteotl
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Evidence? I can produce evidence to the contrary.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Like grog the use will increase massively once legalised and hence higher death rates We do not need any more legal drugs in the community for our kids to be tempted. |
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scamanda
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Here you go Shrunk In The Wash. Hit them n the pocket and the percentage of smokers reduces.
https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/about-us/what-we-do/heart-disease-in-australia/smoking-statistics
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Passing Through
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Legalising and taxing wont stop it's use, it will only stop the consumption of the new regulated legal product.
Just like now plenty of people buy chop chop or brew their own alcohol to get around excises/taxes. Remember a number of people dying in Queensland in the last few years from illegally stilled alcohol. These drugs are very easy to make from accessible prescription drugs or synthetically produced from common household products. You wont stop them by taxing legal product.
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Tlazolteotl
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You can look for evidence or continue to go with ignorance - your choice. There has been a huge decline in heroin deaths and the number of heroin users in Switzerland, for example, after they went with a liberal policy of harm minimisation and legal government supplied heroin for addicts. Drug use has declined among the 15 to 24 year old population after decriminalisation in Portugal. Show me some evidence for your claim.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Don't label me ignorant for having a differing view to yours. You're talking heroin in switzerland. Yes it appears that drug has slowed down in use but what of the others. Rampant is one word for it "
Cocaine is delivered faster than pizza in Switzerland: study"https://www.thelocal.ch/20180509/cocaine-is-delivered-faster-than-pizza-in-switzerland-study-drug-use |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Five Swiss cities among top ten in Europe for cocaine use |
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Tlazolteotl
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"Like grog the use will increase massively once legalised and hence higher death rates" What should I call you when you ignore overwhelming evidence and spout claims without evidence? Cocaine is illegal in Switzerland, bucko.
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Whale
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Terrified and oblivious to the facts https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it In 2001, nearly two decades into Pereira’s accidental specialisation in addiction, Portugal became the first country to decriminalise the possession and consumption of all illicit substances. Rather than being arrested, those caught with a personal supply might be given a warning, a small fine, or told to appear before a local commission – a doctor, a lawyer and a social worker – about treatment, harm reduction, and the support services that were available to them. The opioid crisis soon stabilised, and the ensuing years saw dramatic drops in problematic drug use, HIV and hepatitis infection rates, overdose deaths, drug-related crime and incarceration rates. HIV infection plummeted from an all-time high in 2000 of 104.2 new cases per million to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. The data behind these changes has been studied and cited as evidence by harm-reduction movements around the globe. It’s misleading, however, to credit these positive results entirely to a change in law. Portugal’s remarkable recovery, and the fact that it has held steady through several changes in government – including conservative leaders who would have preferred to return to the US-style war on drugs – could not have happened without an enormous cultural shift, and a change in how the country viewed drugs, addiction – and itself. In many ways, the law was merely a reflection of transformations that were already happening in clinics, in pharmacies and around kitchen tables across the country. The official policy of decriminalisation made it far easier for a broad range of services (health, psychiatry, employment, housing etc) that had been struggling to pool their resources and expertise, to work together more effectively to serve their communities. Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’the world copied it? |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Should gambling be legal, Shrunk? Counting the cost Total recorded losses through gambling in Australia reached just over $19 billion in 2008–09 (an average of $1,500 per gambler and a share of household consumption of 3.1 per cent). Regular gaming machine players (those that play at least once a week) are estimated to spend on average about $7,000 to $8,000 per annum. 'High-intensity' punters can spend $1500 or more in an hour. The social cost of problem gambling is at least $4.7 billion a year. The harms from problem gambling can include suicide, depression, relationship breakdown, lowered work productivity, job loss, bankruptcy and crime. A 2008 survey found that gambling was the most common motivation for fraud and that the average loss was $1.1 million per incident. The rough count of people directly affected ignores the ‘ripple effects’ of problem gambling. For each problem gambler, several others are affected — including family members, friends, employers and colleagues. The numbers of people who have experienced problems with their gambling – so-called lifetime prevalence – are also considerably higher than annual prevalence estimates. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-25/key-facts-gambling-in-australia/2730414 |
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Whale
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Well no, you would be suspended in that case Your world existed 50 years ago and lives on only in your nostalgic mind
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Tlazolteotl
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Anyway I'm sick of this thread. I will retire with 33 knockouts undefeated. There is only so much time you can argue with people who are immune to evidence and facts before it bores one.
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Dont look in the Trump thread then.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Exactly my point judge. Thankyou for making it If we legalise, legitimise & justify ANOTHER cancer on socitey, we end up with even more problems. If a product is made widly available to the wide community rather than a few, the use of that product will increase. It's a simple fact
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Whale
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Shrunk suffers from selective blindness, does see what does not agree with his views
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maccamax
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AFROS:- I did work in the health field ( front Line ) and have witnessed the decline 1st hand.
Singapore was the Worlds Drug Capital. till near 1970, A filthy hell hole. Along came Lee Kuan Yew 1960--1990 and eventually He attacked the USERS , executed dealers and they are now a prosperous Nation , with few lawless problem . NO drug issues of account. I've never suggested American style attitudes to crime . |
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JudgeHolden
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So we should ban gambling, drugs and alcohol? All of these have at times devastating impacts on society they are somewhat mitigated by the revenue they bring in (to fund things like thehorse racing industry, for example). And safety- during prohibition people were drinking wood alcohols and all sorts of nasty stuff they had no idea were it came from, often with devastating consequences. Or making it themselves.
Making gambling illegal would simply drive it underground into the hands of organised crime (loan sharks, vigs, “collection” gentlemen etc), and deprive the government of revenue it will have to collect by other means. People are going to take drugs anyway- may as well make it safer and make a buck out of it by regulating it. |
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maccamax
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WHALE:- Well no, you would be suspended in that case LOL
Your world existed 50 years ago and lives on only in your nostalgic mind QUOTE:- He's hard to avoid Gay3... |
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scamanda
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Your way or the highway Tlaz? Sounds familiar.
Like talking to a Democrat supporter on the border wall? Facts don't matter. |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Using that line we should legalise everything. Throw out the rule book |
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linghi11
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Town kids won’t touch cask wine- a night of vodka sodas, sugary premixes or cocktails is $10-23 a pop will be in the $100-250 range, couple of pills will set them back $50 or so and last 6h+. It was half the reason for cover charge and $5 water in the Cross. People took pills and didn’t spend any money in the club. If you two think you know anything about the party scene or the kids more so than myself, when was the last time you went clubbing? Swinging 60’s? |
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Whale
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Facts matter to Trump who has built a career on lies
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linghi11
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Self-destruction and the human race are tightly intertwined. I would like to know how many kids take drugs just because they’re deemed “cool” because they’re “illegal”. A bit like cigarettes, why do teenagers start smoking - it’s an utterly disgusting thing to do. |
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linghi11
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You mean some politicians haven’t? |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Nah, trumps the only ones who’s ever lied.....apparently |
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Whale
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No but has taken it to a new level, averages 15 lies a day, he can rightly claim he is the most successful liar of all time
And the clowns who watched The Apprentice lap it up
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JudgeHolden
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Not at all. You can apply the rule book much better if you have control. You support horse racing so presumably you support gambling. Your position is entirely hypocritical. |
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linghi11
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He lies “obviously” and the rest lie “deviously”. Promise anything you want and no one will hold you accountable. |
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