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MORE DRUG DEATHS - Event Date: 13 Jan 2019 |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Max, I suspect that happens the massive majority of the times but of course I have no proof
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maccamax
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It is hard to believe that we close our eyes to the number of people on the roads driving , That are off their face. We see the Mining Industry realising the dangers and they employ a very hard line on USERS ... Your out forever in most cases, as their news travels to other employers in mining. Who would have ever thought Smoking & Gun ownership would be reduced big time, successfully. Who would have thought Mining Companies could succeed with a zero Tolerance. The Drug/Alcohol problem CAN BE ATTACKED SUCCESSFULLY , So do it. |
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Afros
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Again, not sure why your persisting with the mining industry line. What has a zero tolerance policy to people operating heavy machines on a jobsite under the influence got to do with people using drugs recreationally?
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Tlazolteotl
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Miners are drug freaks.They are right into it, like Maccamaxs proverbial pig with strawberries. The synthetic drugs pass the drug tests.
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maccamax
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( For several years, synthetic cannabinoid mixtures have been easy to buy over the internet. Because the chemicals used in them have no medical benefit and a high potential for abuse, authorities have made it illegal to sell, buy, or possess these chemicals. However, manufacturers try to sidestep these laws by changing the chemical formulas in their mixtures.) USERS Don't know what poisons are substituted. Of course the "cook up Labs " mislead fools like you , but their products are illegal and being prosecuted all the time. |
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maccamax
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MINES DON'T TOLERATE USERS / ABUSERS . THEY SACK THEM -- OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM CAN DO THE SAME BY GETTING THEM OFF THE ROADS & OFF THE STREETS IF NECESSARY>. How much clearer can that be.? |
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JudgeHolden
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Actually “cook up labs” also fool the testers. Part of the appeal of designer drugs, in the mining industry too.
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Mr Prospector
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That was part of what I was saying earlier in this thread and part of the podcast that I linked . A lawyer in the US was advising people selling those synthetic Cannabinoids when they were legal . His main advice was to test the chemicals to ensure they were NOT toxic in the quantities sold to the public . Obama made all of them illegal at some point and after that legislation came into force they went black market and dangerous impurities started to appear . Don't mistake me for an apologist though as I think they are all a problem, but it doesn't seem that there is an easy solution out there.
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Mr Prospector
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For several hours on July 12, 2016, a group of 33 people in New York City were in a "zombie-like" state: staring blankly, moving and responding to medics slowly, and occasionally groaning. This bizarre spectacle was the result of a very bad trip on a synthetic cannabinoid that Reddit users have called "out-of-this-world potent." Synthetic cannabinoids are used by researchers to study the nervous system, but they are now produced illegally and sold on the street. Though smoked like cannabis, synthetic cannabinoids share little in common with it or its active ingredient, THC. Indeed, the synthetic drugs are much more dangerous because some have killed people. To determine the cause of the NYC case, researchers chemically analyzed the contents of the packaging (shown in the upper left image), as well as blood and urine samples from eight of the victims. They determined that the group had been intoxicated with a synthetic cannabinoid called AMB-FUBINACA, which is 85 times more potent than THC. In vitro studies have revealed that the concentration at which this drug elicits half of the maximum response is tiny, merely 0.77 ng/mL (parts per billion, ppb). Seven of the patients averaged roughly 300 times that concentration in their blood*. Though not nearly as problematic as the ongoing heroin/fentanyl epidemic, the danger posed by synthetic cannabinoids has captured the attention of both law enforcement and public health officials. *To be specific, the researchers detected a metabolic product in their blood, not the original compound. Source: Axel J. Adams, Samuel D. Banister, Lisandro Irizarry, Jordan Trecki, Michael Schwartz, Roy Gerona. "'Zombie' Outbreak Caused by the Synthetic Cannabinoid AMB-FUBINACA in New York." N Engl J Med 376: 235-242. 19-January-2017. DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa1610300 |
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linghi11
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If people are going to take drugs - and literally nothing can stop them - would it not be best for the government to legalise drugs which have the smallest chance of causing drama, only allow the purest least dangerous forms without all the dirty ingredients, and then tax it to the hilt like booze and cigarettes? They could make enough money to fund mental health and any medical side effects.
Jailing every user is just impossible, they cost $100,000 a year to house with the only benefit to private jail owners. Every one of them going in there has the potential to learn to be a proper criminal, the place is like a networking mixer and repeat custom is a certainty. If anything, I wouldn’t be against kids who finish school but have no further education or jobs lined up having to do a year or two of military service. Keep them from breeding and falling in with the wrong crowd, and teaching them some work ethic. |
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maccamax
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Rest assured the Abusers don't fool the Triage teams. Hospitals can tell you in quick time what is in the bloodstream. All the rationalisations being put forward are purely a defense mechanism for substance abuse. ( Many of you need testing ) How can you justify and explain in a rational way, a serious problem, that is killing & destroying many lives. |
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Afros
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Suggestin people be stripped of their license for being convicted of any drug misdemeanor even if it is unrelated to driving because mines sack people who turn up to work under the influence of drugs or alcohol? Keep yelling at that cloud macca!
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linghi11
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What about obesity? Do you have a plan to fix our worst killer and potentially the highest cost to health services as well? |
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Whale
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you expect logic from him
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maccamax
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I would be correct in saying Drug use in many areas has been eradicated or reduced in many places.
Racing , Most Sports , Some Workplaces etc. ALL BY ATTACKING THE ABUSERS> Indonesia , Malaysia , Singapore, are just a few places who have cured Many . > You can't argue with the facts. |
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linghi11
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Indonesia? You want to be like Indonesia? https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/indonesia-criminal-code-overhaul-step-drug-policy-180329112407968.html
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Afros
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Do you not understand the difference betwen gaining an unfair advantage, enhancing the risk of a workplace accident that could injure fellow workers and cost a company a lot of money and having fun in recreational time? |
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maccamax
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That reply is a typical AFROS special . You have lost sight of what is lawful & what is criminal. If committing crime is your idea of Recreation , I think your on the wrong Forum. |
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Afros
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That reply is a Maccamax special, yelling at clouds and cranky because someone disagrees with him. I don't use drugs myself but I support peoples right to do so if thats what they enjoy, someone having a quiet joint at night or taking pills to enhance how they enjoy music doesn't hurt me so what grounds have I got to oppose it? You ignore the argument that many legal things, tobacco, gambling and alcohol all examples can all have detrimental effects on people, should we ban them to? |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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[ I agree with your first paragraph in regards to adults. The problem is young kids getting involved. 2nd paragraph??? We have all constantly said that alcohol, gambling and cigarettes are detrimental. Surely, you’ve read that over the past pages |
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maccamax
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Repeat :- At least we are talking about it. That's a ggod start.
Hopefully AFROS doesn't drive. |
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Afros
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I've seen that, just wasn't sure if macca had. |
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Afros
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Despite what you're trying to convince yourself, most people are sensible enough not to drive under the influence. |
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maccamax
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acacia alba
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LOL, people under the influence are sensible enough not to drive ??? You are joking ? I hope ? How many have the cops got DUI in this holiday period alone ? Hundreds. I cant believe you think sozzled people have sense enough not to drive
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animals before people.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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I suspect they also have missed detecting many more under the influence of drugs |
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ExceedAndExcel
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And how many who were over the limit decided to get a cab instead? Or waited until they had sobered up? Or better yet decided not to drink as much so that they could still legally drive? Some vague stat on catching a bunch of people is irrelevant when you don’t provide some context. The vast majority of people who enjoy a drink do so responsibly. No reason to think the same wouldn’t occur with other substances. |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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E&E Do you think the number of people caught DUI is satisfactory. |
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Whale
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Victoria police falsified breath tests to meet.'unachievable' targets, inquiry finds An independent investigation has branded Victoria police’s widespread practice of falsifying breath tests as an “ethical failure”. The former police chief commissioner Neil Comrie’s inquiry was unable to determine exactly how many times police had manipulated breath test devices to falsely inflate the number of tests conducted. According to an algorithm estimate, out of 17.5m tests conduct in the past five years, 1.5% or 250,000 breath tests were suspect. But the investigation found the algorithm was not reliable. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/16/victoria-police-falsified-breath-tests-to-meet-unachievable-targets-inquiry-finds |
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ExceedAndExcel
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I think even 1 person drink driving is too many, just like I think even 1 person doing ANYTHING that endangers innocent people is too many. What relevance your question has to the fact that the vast majority of people do not drink drive is anyone’s guess though. |
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