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MORE DRUG DEATHS - Event Date: 13 Jan 2019 |
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maccamax
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WHEN will our hopeless Governments do something worthwhile to reduce ILLEGAL DRUG use.
Another young one at a Music Festival died at Parramatta overnight. I've stated many times, ATTACK the users. That was the approach years ago and it worked . Many don't realise the problem has been with us since the year dot. To the point where Heroine was banned world wide in 1954 and other drugs like the barbiturates since. The drug experimenting starts in the school yards. >SO, Delay the age for Drivers Licence application by 1/ 2/ 3/ years , for anyone in posession of, or using illegal drugs. GET OFFENDERS OFF THE ROADS & Repeat offenders off the Streets. Re Open the vacant Institutions to house repeat offenders for lengthy periods as they used to do , under the Summary Offences and Inebriate act. Kids main goal in life is to get that drivers licence ASAP when they come of age .. Delaying that alone, will halve drug use. Driving Under the influence = Bang = minimum 2 years ban. Alcohol included , Then watch the POSITIVE happen . |
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djebel
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You are a funny man.
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reductio ad absurdum
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maccamax
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More every day being detected driving when stoned. The authorities are now encouraging it by suggesting, testing illegal drugs for safety levels . Providing injecting rooms which force Police to ignore posession. |
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Afros
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Treating chronic users as a medical problem instead of criminals would be a start, legalizing more drugs and bringing production under regulation could be another option.
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Gay3
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Damned good idea! No users = no suppliers
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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maccamax
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Afros ;- I truly admire your humane thinking but unfortunately the soft approach does not work. Legalising mind altering drugs is the worst way to go. Proven by the abuse of the ones already legalised. Gay3 in few words. Authorities have stamped out SP bookmakers and have smokers on the ropes. ( down 20%) Because tobacco tax brings in more money than fuel tax. I have seen what works , AND what doesn't. Criminal that 50 tonne (plus )vehicles are on the roads with drivers off their face on drugs. |
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djebel
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How did they stamp out SP bookmakers ?
By introducing TABs into Pubs and clubs. |
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Tlazolteotl
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If you had to buy prescription drugs off criminals thy would be dropping like flies.
These deaths all seem to be happening at music festivals where it's dance music and held under a baking sun mid summer. I don't remommend mixing drug consumption with dancing and furnace heat under a blazing sun, kids. The Drug Professor |
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Passing Through
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How did prohibition work out with alcohol?
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Afros
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This is an interesting read
Going to the root of the problem and solving it is also a good solution? Find out what led people to use drugs and help them solve the problem, a lot of people turn to sunstances to escape the reality of where there life is at, be it feeling disconnected with society, losing a job, breakdown of a relationship or whatever other cause. Most people who have substance abuse problems (be it alcohol or drugs) have underlying issues that lead to them abusing said sunstance. It is absolutely stupid to suggest an alcoholic needs medical help but a drug abuser is a criminal, the problems are one and the same and should be approached as such. |
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maccamax
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Few thought SP bookmakers could be put out of business. In early days they weren't . Tough penalties and heavy Policing dried it up eventually. Australia is now one of the highest users of illegal drugs in the World. It only gets worse from here . Especially when you have Medical people providing users with pensions due to their drug addiction. For the record = DRUG USERS are criminals. |
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Afros
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This attitude is absolutely stupid but systemic of the conservative attitude, LOCK THEM UP. THEY'RE CRIMINALS WHY SHOULD WE WASTE TIME HELPING THEM, as I said above addiction/dependence regardless of the substance is a medical problem not a criminal problem, what is it with rightards and wanting to lock everyone up? |
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They want to lock everybody up but they do not want to pay the taxes to do so.
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maccamax
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It is people like yourselves who are the problem .
The same people who engineer the freedom for the killers of Jill Meagher , Dnaiel Morcombe , Anita Cobby and thousands of other victims. Domestic Violence , Raping/Murder of random Women & very young children. DON"T LOCK THEM UP YOU SAY ... You have blood on your hands and can't see it...How many are you prepared to house ? Talk to the people on the front line and get some experienced opinion. Police are arresting the same people they apprehended yesterday. >Hospital Emergency & Para Medics need Security guards with them now, Some are injured or worse . Unheard of years ago. |
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Passing Through
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Might need a wall.
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Afros
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What absolute rubbish. Nobody is suggesting going light on murderers, typical of the right, stretching things to the absolute extreme to support their view. I also know several people who have been abusers of both alcohol and drugs, none are good habits to have. None of these people deserve to be criminals, they let themselves get on the wrong path and deserve to be treated for an addiction problem not as a criminal. Do you really think someone puffing a bit of marijuana at their own house every night is a criminal? Do you also realise that legalisation would allow proper regulation of growth and production of drugs, stopping things like dealers cutting in whatever they feel like to increase profit margin or users getting a stronger then expected dose and overdosing. I realise some drugs would legalization would not gain community support but marijuana is one which would make things easier if legalised. |
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djebel
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Just one more twist and you might convin... Ah forget it. |
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Passing Through
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It is a public health issue. You are never going to stop recreational drugs, nor people wanting to use them.
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Second Chance
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Lock them up with career criminals, deny them support services, thus almost certainly ensuring they become habitual drug taking career criminals who spend even more time in prison at great cost to tax payers.
Sounds like a plan.
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Tlazolteotl
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We should do whatever they do in the USA because they are world's best practice in absolutely everything and drugs are a perfect example.
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Tlazolteotl
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Although even the Americans are not copying the Americans these days in some of the smarter states. |
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Second Chance
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Do you reckon POTUS might be on banned substances? ps viagra and similar erectile dysfunction pharmaceuticals are legally available, so they don't count.
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Gay3
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So these problems didn't exist pre the '60s despite the longest drought in history & World Wars causing massive physical & mental trauma.
Many in the Western world are growing softer & feeling more entitled with each year |
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Afros
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So you think locking them up is the answer gay? Lets be honest the main reason people abuse substances is to take their mind off of life, I've got mates that have gone the drugs and alcohol routes and it ia true with both. Going to the root cause of the any problem is always the best solution.
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Tlazolteotl
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Why do people take drugs? To open the doors of perception.
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Bit like the reality show on the ABC about morbidly obese people. The real problem is not what their stuffing in their gobs every 5 minutes - its the underlying issues that's causing them to do that. The problem is these underlying issues seem to be a bit hard to diagnose - & even harder to fix if they ever are. Which brings you back to people continuing to shuv food down their throats - because hey - its the underlying issues causing it !
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maccamax
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I've given you the answer ... Whatever the cause is immaterial to the damage caused by the criminal acts of people " Using "/ Abusing.
One day some of you may experience the loss of a loved one at the hands of these wonderful medical cases you are so dedicated to " CURING " . YES , lock them up if necessary on a reduced diet. Life is about choices and we pay a price when we get that wrong. IN MY WORLD. |
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maccamax OP: "Delay the age for Drivers Licence application by 1/ 2/ 3/ years , for anyone in possession of or using illegal drugs.
GET OFFENDERS OFF THE ROADS & Repeat offenders off the Streets. Re Open the vacant Institutions to house repeat offenders for lengthy periods as they used to do , under the Summary Offences and Inebriate act. Kids main goal in life is to get that drivers licence
ASAP when they come of age .. Delaying that alone, will halve
drug use." Afros I certainly think it worthy of consideration at the very least
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JudgeHolden
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Bizarre post. Of course it’s deeper than that. Otherwise you wouldn’t get instances of domestic violence without drugs or alcohol. Which of course you do. |
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