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They must have plenty of money the Moody's, surely he/she knows they will need to cough after  using social media like they do......Australia's only living brain donors.
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https://twitter.com/moodyracingpgm/status/911146895103320064
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So Quinton walks.

Chapter 1- you can only reach theses sort of cobalt levels by direct injection of cobalt chloride on race morning.

Chapter 2- well, maybe some vitamin supplements can do it too.

Chapter 3- Racing NSW senior veterinary surgeon Dr Craig Suann said if Boss Lane and Imanui were fed three kilograms of the pre-mixed feed daily for several weeks it was "conceivable the elevated urine samples could be attributed to the feed".

Surely more heads roll. And people are compensated. An utter disgrace.
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Which people Judge? The only one I can think of who might have any semblance of a case is Moody and if there was evidence of feed contamination it wasn't presented. Despite utterances at the time that they would be testing their products I haven't seen test results from the manufacturers of VAM etc. 
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There have been many people rubbed out over the past few years for cobalt, 3BM. Many of them were small or bush trainers who said much the same as Quinton. "have no idea, haven't done anything different...". Too bad, 12 months.

People have focussed on the high profile trainers and people like Lyn Paton and others have been burnt.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

So Quinton walks.

Chapter 1- you can only reach theses sort of cobalt levels by direct injection of cobalt chloride on race morning.

Chapter 2- well, maybe some vitamin supplements can do it too.

Chapter 3- Racing NSW senior veterinary surgeon Dr Craig Suann said if Boss Lane and Imanui were fed three kilograms of the pre-mixed feed daily for several weeks it was "conceivable the elevated urine samples could be attributed to the feed".

Surely more heads roll. And people are compensated. An utter disgrace.
If all they are feeding is the premixed feed and chaff, plus hay, then yes, 3kgs a day is quite easy. 1.5kgs morning and night.
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What sort of quality controls are in place in the animal supplements industry ?  Are there any, or is it all a bit like Milton the Monster....


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LOL

Tontonan you really should have been Peter Moody's defence lawyer. 


reductio ad absurdum
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There is more than a passing resemblance between Milton and Moody.  

But it is not Moody that concerns me as much as everyone of us who is subject to such a shoddy rule, who could, like Ron Quinton, pour out a measure of feed mix thinking that we are attending to the nutritional needs of the horse only to find we have put our entire career in jeopardy because of imprecise ingredients and a bloody minded rule that simply can't distinguish between the innocent and the guilty.  
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Originally posted by Tontonan Tontonan wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">What sort of quality controls are in place in the animal supplements industry ?  Are there any, or is it all a bit like Milton the Monster....</span>

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Put it this way...quality control in the athlete supplements industry is woeful. Its why wada and anti doping bodies are forever warning about athletes about trusting supplements companies and their product labels.

so it stands to reason that the quality control of animal supplement/ feed is even worse.
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At least athletes get education and warnings though...
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Feeding a pre-mixed feed that does not contain what it claims - and is proved so - is a whole lot different to purchasing/ using compounded, injectable Cobalt to attempt to enhance performance - even though it places the horse at risk. We should not confuse the two.
 
Skip are you arguing Kav and Danny didn't know what Brennan was doing, despite the cash payments - Or are you saying there is no difference between a horse receiving a poor quality pre-mixed feed and using compounded injectable Cobalt?
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Originally posted by Overseer Overseer wrote:


Feeding a pre-mixed feed that does not contain what it claims - and is proved so - is a whole lot different to purchasing/ using compounded, injectable Cobalt to attempt to enhance performance - even though it places the horse at risk. We should not confuse the two.
 
Skip are you arguing Kav and Danny didn't know what Brennan was doing, despite the cash payments - Or are you saying there is no difference between a horse receiving a poor quality pre-mixed feed and using compounded injectable Cobalt?

My point was about Stewarts hindsight admission at VCAT and the authorities automatic ‘it could only be Cobalt chloride’ public admonishment in a lot of cases... Think the story for some of the trainers has changed... take a look at the authorities ever-evolving discourse....
Its an interesting thought though that feed that can be custom ordered by trainers and incorrectly labelled (IF labelled) and not contain what it ‘says’ it is, is ok but a supplement vial, that was incorrectly labelled too is not... it raises questions about ultimate liability.
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Originally posted by Overseer Overseer wrote:


Feeding a pre-mixed feed that does not contain what it claims - and is proved so - is a whole lot different to purchasing/ using compounded, injectable Cobalt to attempt to enhance performance - even though it places the horse at risk. We should not confuse the two.
 
Skip are you arguing Kav and Danny didn't know what Brennan was doing, despite the cash payments - Or are you saying there is no difference between a horse receiving a poor quality pre-mixed feed and using compounded injectable Cobalt?


Well put .
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Ps- in absence of direct proof (lab tests) of a definite deficiency in a single horse, what other purpose does any trainer have but to influence performance by providing a horse with any number of vitamins or minerals?
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Ps- in absence of direct proof (lab tests) of a definite deficiency in a single horse, what other purpose does any trainer have but to influence performance by providing a horse with any number of vitamins or minerals?

Which is risky in itself
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

At least athletes get education and warnings though...


thats a Good point. the racing bodies need to do plenty of education in this area so trainers are fully imformed.
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Rumour mill another Vic positive...
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Rumour mill another Vic positive...

A young respected cleanskin. Poor bugger, welcome to the club.., rumour is the ’raceday treatment’ will do minimum time
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Rumour mill another Vic positive...

A young respected cleanskin. Poor bugger, welcome to the club.., rumour is the ’raceday treatment’ will do minimum time
https://www.punters.com.au/news/pateman-and-dunn-caught-up-in-cobalt-positives_163324/
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Also can anyone North of Mexico’s border confirm or deny the other rumour- Dr Suann is on stress leave, unhappy at being the only fall vet left with Stewart gone since the big Quinton backflip??
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

Also can anyone North of Mexico’s border confirm or deny the other rumour- Dr Suann is on stress leave, unhappy at being the only fall vet left with Stewart gone since the big Quinton backflip??


Refer the question to his no1 client skippy 123, Mr Waller.
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Don't hear or see much of Kav and Danny nowadays 
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They will be lying low on strict advice from their legals..
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Timing is everything...
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Timing is everything...
Ex Racing Victoria boss David Moodie ‘defamed’
Padraic Murphy and Angus Thompson, Sunday Herald Sun
November 11, 2017 9:00pm
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THE former boss of Racing Victoria has stepped up his battle with racing authorities by accusing integrity commissioner Sal Perna of overstepping his powers and defaming him in a press release.

Lawyers for former Racing Victoria chairman David Moodie have lodged an amended writ at the Victorian Supreme Court accusing Mr Perna of ruining his reputation by issuing a press release accusing Mr Moodie of leaking.

According to the documents, the press release said Mr Moodie disclosed to trainer Peter Moody information “regarding positive cobalt swabs of Mark Kavanagh and Danny O’Brien”.

Mr Moodie claims the press release led to articles in the Herald Sun and The Age.

Mr Moodie’s legal team claimed that by issuing the press release, Mr Perna “acted outside the statutory authority given to him”.


Mr Moodie also said he did not compromise the cobalt investigation or mislead Mr Perna.

In a Supreme Court writ, Mr Moodie is seeking to have the findings overturned and an order stating Mr Perna failed to act fairly.



I wonder if this will assist the public disclosure of Perna and
the Allens investigation into the leak...??
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The continuing Moodie/Perna issue wouldn't appear to support your belief that Stewards and Integrity personnel are implicated and/or compromised in relation to the alleged Smerdon and others doping scenario.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

The continuing Moodie/Perna issue wouldn't appear to support your belief that Stewards and Integrity personnel are implicated and/or compromised in relation to the alleged Smerdon and others doping scenario.

How so?
There was a leak, unaccountable thus far while the finger was pointed at Moodie and hard
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There’s issues/people compromising racing integrity in a number of places
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Thanks for the innuendos.  It adds to your earlier posts about rumours.


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