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Shrunk in the Wash ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4557 |
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What a disgrace this mob are. I retired a mare from the stud book 5 years ago. Recently I decided to have her served on more time.
Rang to register her and they inform me I have to pay 5 years worth of fees totalling over 1k. Why? “Oh, they are the rules” I’m told. Why I ask? They can’t answer that aside from the above. I asked why I even have to pay to register the mare at all and I’m told it’s because there is admin work which needs to be carried out on horses. I agree, totally I then asked what admin work had been required for the mare whilst she was retired....the answer was none!! So they did nothing for 5 years and want to change me for doing nothing It’s nothing but a money gouging rort by them ![]() |
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Gay3 ![]() Moderator Group ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Ballarat Status: Offline Points: 36080 |
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This is the problem facing saleyards mares who've been lapsed. Some beautifully bred but only the doggers will buy when several hundreds of dollars need to be paid in order to breed from her again. Yes, I agree, it is money gouging
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Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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GAJ ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Location: Alstonville,NSW Status: Offline Points: 2177 |
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It really puts people off breeding mares that are lapsed, our friend down the road was offered a very good deal to go to Spirit of Boom, The mare was a good match I believe and the stud really wanted her, but our friend was blown away by the cost of reinstating her, so alas the rest is history, he is kicking himself now.
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Hartnell is dominant ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 18 Oct 2016 Location: Moonee Valley Status: Offline Points: 280 |
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That is absolutely outrageous.
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anabel ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 2012 Location: VIC Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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It’s a rort!
I picked up a beautiful old mare who’d been abandoned at an agistment property. Rang to reinstate her and it cost over $1000 just to put “not served” next to her name for the previous few years. An absolute joke! And the new cost for foal transfer is yet another money grab. In this day and age when we do the bulk of “paperwork” online, ourselves, it should not be anywhere near that much. |
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Hartnell is dominant ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 18 Oct 2016 Location: Moonee Valley Status: Offline Points: 280 |
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Maybe the AFP should investigate them whilst they’re on a roll
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Shrunk in the Wash ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4557 |
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I’ll be contacting Barry O’Farrell the head honcho of Racing Australia. Apparently they oversee the stud book
Given the fraud being exposed in the DKW episode I hope he will see the stupidity of the stud books rule and not want to shaft a dozen new owners that I’ve enlisted to race the future foal |
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rusty nails ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 20 Mar 2013 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 3706 |
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I’d imagine they are the rules,because every tight arse in the land would try and save the $250 any year their mare doesn’t produce a foal.
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linghi11 ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 2013 Status: Offline Points: 6967 |
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If they cared about horses’ welfare, especially those rescued, they would waive these fees.
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to the victor
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Lord Hybrow ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2695 |
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Hi Shrunk,
If your mare has dropped off the register & you get her served by a stallion, what are the ramifications for the offspring? I'm certain that up until the last few years that the progeny of non-stud book mares & unregistered stallions have raced on our tracks. Have the rules regarding the progeny of non-stud book mares been changed? Are they no longer allowed to race? A few non-stud book gallopers to win big races include Tinys Finito, Aquanita, Australasia and Fountaincourt. GS winner Calaway Gal was also from non-studbook family. |
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Gay3 ![]() Moderator Group ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Ballarat Status: Offline Points: 36080 |
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Not eligible to race Lord H. NSBs of earlier years have usually been the result of dubious pedigree background on the dams' side.
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Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Lord Hybrow ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 2695 |
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Thanks for confirming that Gay.
I’ve always thought that non stud book mares could make their way into the studbook via the exploits on the track of their progeny. This must have changed. Kind of sad, though. There was a certain romanticism of seeing some obscurely bred horse of vague origins do well on the track. I’ve even got a few racebooks from Victorian jumps meetings in the 80’s where the pedigree was simply listed as: [By: Unregistered Stallion X out of: Non-stud book mare] ![]() |
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furious ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 15315 |
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Actually Gay3 this is not the case. A few bigger country breeders here and in the West dropped some pretty good stock back in the 1900's out of the stud book. They kept breeding to stud book stallions though and some were got back into the stud book when the stud book went chasing them. Non stud book mares are usually just throughbreds who haven't been registered.
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furious ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 15315 |
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but yes the rules have changed you need to be registered now to race
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Hartnell is dominant ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 18 Oct 2016 Location: Moonee Valley Status: Offline Points: 280 |
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$1000 bucks to fill in a form as blank.
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linghi11 ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 2013 Status: Offline Points: 6967 |
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Larceny! No foal no pay in my view |
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Shrunk in the Wash ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4557 |
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I’m looking forward to speaking to Barry O’Farrell tomorrow.
Especially in light of the banking royal commission where a major point has seen them condemned for charging “ Fees for no service” ![]() |
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Shrunk in the Wash ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4557 |
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Spoke to Mr O'Farrell today and expressed my concerns. I must say it was refreshing to speak to someone with an open mind rather than the wonem who basically told me to piss off as they are the rules. He'll be getting back to me
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Red Hare ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 3435 |
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They can’t just take it as gospel that there’s been no attempt to breed, but there ought to be an option to provide some sort of vet certificate for periods greater than one year.
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Shrunk in the Wash ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4557 |
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Spoke to Mr O'Farrell today and expressed my concerns. I must say it was refreshing to speak to someone with an open mind rather than the women who basically told me to piss off as they are the rules.He'll be getting back to me after he investigates
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Sister Dot ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1840 |
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Try getting a replacement TB ID card. Over $100 😳 At the library they can transfer details and issue a new card for $4.00 🤔😡
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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linghi11 ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 2013 Status: Offline Points: 6967 |
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Especially when they send you the ID card without tracking as part of the registration process ![]() |
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Prince of Penzance ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan 2018 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 1928 |
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It’s a joke.
One of our ID cards never arrived. They claimed it was posted... had to pay $100 plus $20 for it to be posted registered from one side of Sydney to the other. Arrived after 10 business days. Hopeless!!! |
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Shrunk in the Wash ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4557 |
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I mentioned the banking royal commission to Mr O’Farrel yesterday. He was certainly very aware of the findings in regards to “Fees for no service” situation. I’m very hopeful of a positive outcome. Perhaps the same will apply to your issues and others |
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linghi11 ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 2013 Status: Offline Points: 6967 |
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Good job pursuing this Shrunk, good luck.
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Take2 ![]() Champion ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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they are all the same organisations that purport to "make things easier for the participant£ etc all they do is skim money from breeders most of whom are not oil sheikhs or the like
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dont put mouth in gear before engaging brain
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paddockbasher ![]() Foal ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 2012 Location: south australia Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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I also brought two mares back in line to breed last season at a cost of approx. $800.
Pissed at the time, but No Pay-No Play. Hobby breeders not respected for what we bring to the industry. |
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Hey Shrunk, been nearly two months since your discussions with Barry, any news on the ‘fees for no service’ . There won’t be any news, cos Barry jumps as high as Messara and Vlandys ask him to, late fees are money for jam for the stud book, tens of thousands of dollars per year, yes it’s a terrible rort, but if you think Barry is going to fix it , then you are kidding yourself ? |
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Shrunk in the Wash ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4557 |
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I did a follow up call last week but never heard back. Will be trying again today
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acacia alba ![]() Champion ![]() Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Status: Offline Points: 28027 |
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Where does all that money go ? Can you ask that too, please Shrunk ?
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animals before people.
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