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    Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 5:30pm
Presumably he is retired to stud - any idea where he goes? Any idea as to fee?
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Dunno, dunno Robbo.  Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.

Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.

But my guess re fee?  Probably overs at about $27,500.  Ouch
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MENARI (AUS)Bay colt 2014 
Snitzel
Bay 2002
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass
1970
1975
7-a
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Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Show Lady
1967
1976
8-f
8-f
Snippets' Lass
Bay 1993
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Snow Finch
Bay 1984
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
A Realgirl
Bay 1976
In Reality
Secret Verdict
1964
1966
21-a
2-c
Isurava
Brown 2004
General Nediym
Chestnut 1994
Nediym
Bay 1985
Shareef Dancer
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Sweet Alliance
1961
1974
2-d
4-r
Nilmeen
Chestnut 1973
Right Royal
Nasreen
1958
1964
3-f
9-c
Military Belle
Bay 1988
Without Fear
Bay 1967
Baldric
Never Too Late
1961
1957
13-c
4-c
Reticella
Brown 1981
In the Purple
Frill
1966
1969
11-d
10-d
Cut a Dash
Bay 1991
Whiskey Road
Bay 1972
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Bowl of Flowers
Chestnut 1958
Sailor
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
22-b
4-d
Not Enough
Brown 1975
Baguette
Brown 1967
Rego
Dark Jewel
1949
1953
5-d
6-c
Oodles
Bay 1966
Alcimedes
Several
1954
1954
13-e
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Dunno, dunno Robbo.  Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.

Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.

But my guess re fee?  Probably overs at about $27,500.  Ouch


That would be a crazy price unless they deal a lot. Not a G1 winner and has broken down twice, I think maybe a wind op. Entering stud when most of the better breeders have already made bookings.
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$11k at the most would be suitable
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Any word yet where he will go ?
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At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners.
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Any ideas where he’s heading?
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners.


Agree with this - I put him at the 10-15K mark. Whoever it is will probably price him based on 2019 and then negotiate heavily to try to get him a book at a very late stage. The leg and throat problems should result in a risk-adjusted fee lower than what they could otherwise charge.

No word as to where he is going. I reckon Widden given Outreach.
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Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.


Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?

He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.


Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?

He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons.


My view is that Pariah at $22K is a joke, and wouldn't happen anywhere else. I am more than happy to support horses that I believe displayed genuine Group 1 potential but didn't quite deliver (Counterattack last year, Bull Point this year) but do so on the basis that I will be getting a commensurate reduction in service fee.
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Exactly robbo, you can’t just charge for every stallion on potential. And I concur on Pariah,
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It is spin and fashion that run the industry , what creates talk, not results, we get it from our office as tradies just waffle, we call it bulla gelatia.
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